Gildas,I decided to go out at lunch and count how many scooters I saw on
the sidewalk in one lap around my block.... 53, in one city block. Is that
"not many"?There were none a few weeks ago, so it seems like
many to us.53 scooters on the sidewalk in one block, that's a
lot. Channel 13 was interviewing some of the kids, watch tonight. All but 3
of the scooters were on South Temple and Main St. Only 3 on State St
(don't know why). And only 2 of the 53 were on the road. The rest were
on the sidewalks dodging pedestrians. Actually only half of them were dodging
pedestrians, the rest were waiting to be rented. $1.00 to start!One more kinda alarming thing... many scooters were being rented by parents
for their young kids to play on. Of course these scooters look fun to these
kids, and if your on vacation and have time to burn, why not? But are those
kids safe zipping down the main street sidewalk at 15 MPH (that's fast on a
sidewalk with people strolling the same sidewalk).The good thing
is... that's 53 cars off main street. But possibly at the expense of
safety on the sidewalks.Do you see the problem now Glidas?
@Gildas - LOGAN, UTRE: "First off I have never actually seen anyone on
the sidewalk with a motorized scooter. There must be some but not
many"...---You live in Logan. Come to SLC (where they were
recently rolled out).I work at CIty Creek, and when I go out there
are 6-8 people on them on every block speeding along the sidewalk, and they can
go very fast.We're not talking about people bringing their own
scooter downtown. We're talking about the new dockless "Bird"
scooters in downtown SLC. They are everywhere (literally dozens on every
block). You just scan the barcode with your phone and take off, and then leave
it wherever you don't need it anymore. Then the next person comes along
and scans it and takes off.Google "Dockless Bird scooters ready
to return to Salt Lake City"... to get up on the topic.It's
a thing in SLC. It may not be a thing in Logan. But saying there's
probably not many of them on the sidewalks... makes you sound oblivious.I go for a walk every day and they are everywhere. Going to the train
last night there were 10 young kids zipping by on them on main street. They go
super-fast. And 90% are on the sidewalk (not the road)
Headline: "Scooters are everywhere, but don't set fire to them
yet"That's one of the more irresponsible headlines
I've ever read.
First off I have never actually seen anyone on the sidewalk with a motorized
scooter. There must be some but not many perhaps. Secondly they
could be very useful in getting places because I rarely see anyone walk
anywhere, except to school, using sidewalks. They either get into their car
even for very short distances, or they put on a track suit and walk on the road
which is a bit obstructive. It doesn't seem to be a great problem unless
someone uses a scooter downtown. Maybe they should just be illegal downtown.Thirdly there is a problem for anyone on a scooter using sidewalks since
they have to stop and cross the road every one-eighth of a mile. Within its own
limits, though, these scooters might be helpful to some people. Similar
problems exist for people on power wheel chairs.
I think the GreenBikes and scooters are a really good, innovative idea; but,
like many other things, the devil is in the details. While the City
administration is obviously giddy about these programs, I'm sure the City
Attorney's Office risk management person(s) isn't(aren't) nearly
so thrilled, due to the significant liability to the City that they represent.
I think that alone would incentivize the City to work in earnest to mitigate the
risks of injury and property damage. How effective those mitigation efforts
will ultimately be is anyone's guess, but I hope they are successful
because this really is a good, innovative idea, in my opinion.
News outlets tell us that it’s illegal to ride them on the sidewalk, but
under SLC code riders are still classified as pedestrians when using them.
Pedestrians have a right-of-way on sidewalks, so officials who ticket riders are
misguided or misinformed since pedestrians are specifically allowed to use the
sidewalk. The scooters are a great idea, and I hope that they stay
and that people use them responsibly.
walk.. it is better for you and probably a whole lot safer
I don't care that some innovative person is making money off providing
these low cost, low emission vehicles for people who may not be dressed for
peddling a bike, or don't want to get all sweaty on their lunch break to
borrow to get somewhere they need to go downtown.I'm glad this
innovative person is getting cars off the roads. Every person you see riding
one of these vehicles at lunch is a person who's not in a car, adding to
the congestion on our roads, emitting noxious hydrocarbons into our air. Hint..
that's a good thing.What I am concerned about is... safety.I'm not worried they are going to dent somebody's car.
I'm worried they are going to come up behind a pedestrian who doesn't
know they are coming and walks in front of them and they get knocked on their
can by some guy going 15 mph on the sidewalk. Those things can hurt people
(pedestrians). They can't do much damage to cars, but they can sure do
damage to a person who doesn't know they are coming and walks into their
path with no time for scooter to stop safely.Safety is my only
concern here (not that somebody may make money).
We need more cars on our roads like I need another hole in my headWe
should be supporting anyone and anything that allows us to remove more cars from
the road especially in already congested downtown areas.
I welcome the scooters. They're cheap and easy to use, and I'm almost
not too old to be embarrassed to be seen riding one. Scooter users need to
recognize that they are not indestructible and that their actions have
consequences. On the other hand, drivers need to recognize that roads are not
the exclusive domain of cars. Cars are far more dangerous than scooters, and I
don't hear anyone asking for them to be banned (although, now that I think
about it...)The rule requiring wearing helmets is impractical, if
prudent. People aren't bringing helmets to work just in case they might use
a scooter to go get lunch at Moochies. Also, the rule requiring riding on the
road may be unsafe in some conditions. When I rode along North Temple towards
300 W., I used the sidewalk since there weren't any pedestrians and traffic
speed is higher there than closer to the downtown core. People who ride with
caution and common sense will be safe. Those who don't should be publicly
shamed until they do and held liable for any damage they cause.
The scooters are annoying and ugly; they visually mar the city. The scooter
companies are peddlers; they are making millions at our expense, literally.And how many more peddlers will be licensed to clutter our street corners and
curbs? When will SLC say.....Enough?Keep the sidewalks for WALKING, and,
as long as they're here, restrict the scooters to streets and bike lanes.
Ticket the riders who are helmet-less. Protect the time-honored tradition of
walking (without fear of being surprised and clipped by a scooter).
There are tradeoffs. More alternate means of transportation means fewer cars on
the road. I spend most of my time in major metro areas (bigger than SLC) and I
see scooters, and dockless bicycles, all over the place. However, I don't
see them as a threat or a nuisance. If users are irresponsible, rules,
insurance, etc. won't completely fix it. There is still a benefit and
folks need to roll with it and not be so uptight. Funny how something like this
will cause right-wingers to demand more government regulation and more
constraints on free enterprise....
Great alternative mode of transportation with potential problems. I work
downtown and I've never seen anyone with a helmet and have seen adults with
a child on a scooter with them a couple of times. Only a matter of time until a
pedestrian gets hit and / or someone gets taken out by a car. I saw a guy wreck
yesterday morning that was riding with one hand on the bar and the other
carrying a bag and a cup of coffee, he hit the curb near City Creek on 1st south
and almost went in the water feature. The scooter was fine, however he got up
with a bad wheel, couldn't put weight on his one leg when he got up.
They should be outlawed as a threat to pedestrians and riders alike. I think
OSHA is having a fit about the dangers and threats to life and limb when riding
one of these. No skills required other than personal balance by inner ear skills
that most humans don't have when they have trouble walking from place to
place and get run over in a cross walk.