The $ is a big part of what is wrong with our political process these days. We
need the $ out on both sides. There should be full transparency on both sides of
the pros and cons to both iniatives without $ interference.
If you are against Prop 2... you are saying that you're okay with the
continued opioid overdose deaths in this state. States with some form of
legalization have seen an average drop in opioid overdose deaths by 25%. Nevada
in its first year of recreational legal use... saw a 9% drop in traffic deaths.
Colorado has seen abortion rates cut in half since legalization with teen use
unchanged since legalization. Start researching for yourself... there's too
many positives to come out of legalization to be against any form. The big
monied interests are frightened that people will have controll of something so
beneficial... let that sink in. I'm sure any pragmatic person will see
it's an easy YES on Prop 2
The opposition to Prop 2 is a trail mix of conflicting ideas... from straight
prohibitionists... to CBD only advocates. There's a steady theme with
supporters of Prop 2... they don't want to be criminals for using better
medicine... period! I'd rather see a 100 people use it recreationally just
so 1 single person did'nt have to suffer. The choice should be easy to have
another less harmfull option than just the lethal opioids. We all know someone
who's either died, or needs this god given gift. That's why I'm a
resounding YES on Prop 2!
Have compassion for the people who need it. I'm not saying that to the
compassionate people of Utah, I'm saying that to the big businesses and
organizations who would one way or another, profit from Utah's positive
vote. If not for the outsiders trying to influence our votes and our distrust in
their motives, this would be so easy to approve. It's these influencers who
are without compassion because of their unscrupulous and deceptive and
hypocritical virtue signalling. Get your dirty mutts out of this and let us vote
to allow these people their medical marijuana.
Plumb and other uninformed or misinformed Mormons are against this legislation
because of what they've heard from other uninformed or misinformed people.
They resort to the "Reefer Madness" type of hype that has not a bit of
truth to it. Many just go by their religious beliefs and the words of their
religious leaders.Many people commenting here claim that medical
weed will lead to recreational weed. They have this completely backwards. The
use of recreational weed will lead to medical use.Mormons claim to
be against a lot of things, especially alcohol. They are so against it that
they control the sale and profits of alcohol in Utah. They benefit greatly from
the sale of alcohol. It provides free meals for their kids and helps schools.
The profits, which are very high (no pun intended) go into the state general
fund.It's my belief that when they see how they can tax the
heathens they will be happy to do so. Money talks and many locals
will want to get their piece of the pie, even if their beliefs, religious or
not, say they should "eschew" the demon weed.
If it's prescribed by a physician, what's the problem?
The only reason this is "contentious" is because the prescription drug
companies and your owners want it to be contentious.
To RedShirtHarvard, is the FDA needed, lots of things to consider there...
Numerous governmental and non-governmental organizations have criticized the U.
S. Food and Drug Administration for alleged excessive and/or insufficient
regulation. The FDA approves medical devices based on politics, not science.
Read about a series of case studies produced by the Union of Concerned
Scientists' Scientific Integrity Program between 2004 and 2010. Look up
Menaflex and so so many others. And they have a Fast-track process called
510(k) exempts products from full review. The FDA is like the government today,
too political and far too large. Each just protecting themselves, not us. Look
at all the medicine they've approved that has side effects that kill. And
try taking them to court for a mistake, they will send 30 lawyers to your 1 (and
you'll pay for them in taxes). If you do not see that, then you're
part of the problem. Is the FDA needed, yes but needs to be
revamped. Their policy out dated and they are not willing to do anything about
it. So, if they don't the states have to. At least the states are
listening to us and allowing us to decide... I for one applaud them.
Ben Lockhart- since none of the readers is able to comment on the merits of my
filed proof of law - that our Drug Monopoly is not constitutional or lawful.Why don't you give it a try yourself?Does our Drug
Monopoly Law - violate citizen equality or not?Our "Controlled
Substance Acts" violate citizen equality on these grounds & more.1-doctors aren't under oath of office (Constitutional Oath to uphold
citizen equality or be impartial in all their duties)2-Doctors sell
Government Use Permits- Like the ATF - & are only private business
venture.3-Doctors being private citizens- not under oath- get to keep the
Gov. Permit fees, which are temporary causing strong monopoly powers with
pharmacies- blocking free markets rules of pricing, sales & distribution to
all citizens with equality.4-Doctors special powers of a public office
& forced compliance with unconstitutional law-Clearly blocks access of
a needed commodity unless accepting the elite citizen powers given to doctors of
medicine & governments fees needed to own or purchase commodity needed to
treat personal pain, anxiety, & chronic illness.=?Conclusion-denial of rights based on Drug Prohibition with PreScription Clause
To "andyjaggy" look up the drug Marinol. That is a LEGAL form of
marijuana that your doctor can prescribe for nausea. You see, there are legal
ways to get the medication your wife seeks, and you don't have to break any
state or federal laws.
So many statistics. Where are all these commenter getting the funding to
research a schedule 1 substance?
I couldn't care less about who spent what. Just tell us clearly what is in
To "andyjaggy " you need to apologize to your wife for not knowing that
you can get an FDA tested and completely legal form of marijuana that is for the
treatment of nausea in cancer patients. Ask your Doctor about Marinol.You don't have to break the law, just do some research on the available
My dear 35 year old wife was just diagnosed with breast cancer two weeks ago.
She will be starting chemo next week and she asked me if marijuana was legal for
medical uses in Utah, she is wondering if might help her dealing with the nausea
that may accompany the chemo treatments. Sadly I had to tell her that our Utah
state legislatures will not allow her that option. Marijuana can't be any
worse than the many other hard drugs that she will most likely be prescribed and
it would be nice to have the option to try something that may really help her
that is more natural and safer. Sadly it is not an option unless I feel like
breaking the law. You have to understand my wife is the most
upstanding person you may ever meet, she has never done drugs or alcohol and in
fact in our 10 years of marriage I have never once heard her swear.
Medical Marijuana? You would be safer with Medical Manure. There is nothing
medical in either marijuana nor manure. Once on weed, the users are 60 times
more likely to try harder drugs. This is not 'legal' as it is a Drug
Enforcement Agency Schedule One substance with no accepted medical purpose.
Vote yes for Medical Manure.
To "Oxy is not for me" then why bother with having an FDA at all? Why do
we need the FDA to approve drugs if state legislatures can be pressured by
industry groups or by citizens to legalize medications that have not met the FDA
standards?Using the logic you presented, it would probably be
cheaper and easier for a drug company to work with state legislatures to get new
drugs on the market.I am all for legalizing marijuana based drugs, I
just question the motives of people who are pushing to do it outside of
established FDA guidelines.
Choose_The_Right -- I believe you are just like the rest of the closed minded
people in Utah. It really depends on who you are talking to whether it helps 1
or hurts 1000. If you talk to someone like yourself (staunch Mormon) it will
hurt the 1000. Mostly because you sit behind a desk, listen to other closed
minded people and never go outdoors... OK not fair to say because I don't
know you. However, your general statement is incorrect, not researched properly
and just plain ignorant. The whole plant helps more people than it will hurt,
proven in all studies conducted by unbiased parties. I mean come on, look for
fault in anything and you will find it! And those that you claim are getting
hurt will likely hurt themselves no matter if the initiative is approved or not.
At least if they do it with the whole plant they will likely not get up from
the couch. If its pills or alcohol or worse, they will likely die from that
choice. Let us decide, not YOUR values. If you don't need it, good
don't buy or use it. Let the responsible, hard working Utah residents
decide for themselves. I for one will vote yes because it works and likely
saved my life by getting off opioids.
To "Sabrecat" the problem isn't using MJ for legitimate medical
use.The problem is how we are circumventing the FDA for this
medication. We are just now really studying the side effects. I would hate to
see somebody use marijuana for a few years then develop a complication that
could have been avoided or mitigated. The other problem is dosage. Since a
whole plant product is being used the dosage is unknown.For example,
if for your pain you are self medicating using marijuana and are getting the
equivalent of 500 mg of the drug you need, but your body only needs 100 mg for
the same effect, wouldn't you want to know that?The problem
that most people have the medical marijuana bills is that they quickly lead to
recreational use. We already have enough problems with alcohol, do we really
need another mind altering substance to be used recreationally?
I am coming at this topic as an active LDS, and person that has chronic pain in
my knees, back and neck. Due to a previous surgery I am unable to take any NSAID
medications. I have researched my issues as best as I can. I have done physical
therapy, had 3 operations, with what looks like a 4th and a 5th in the near
future. I work with a pain management clinic and I am prescribed 2 opiate pain
killers and 2 muscle relaxers. I am able to manage with such a low dose, yes
believe it or not that's a *low* dose for chronic pain, is because I found
Kratom in an effort to find something that could replace NSAIDS. I honestly
believe that if MMJ were an option to me then I could manage without the opiates
all together. If people believe that opiates are the scourge of our generation
then you want to support efforts to allow people to better manage their pain on
their own without resorting to narcotics.
procuradorfiscal - I respectfully disagree with your statement. So you think
people can just throw out numbers like Choose-The -Right did with ZERO reference
to where those numbers come from? See this is how it works. C-T-R reads an
article or study or something that states 100 to 1000 people will be harmed and
a source is cited. Then, people like me that do not agree use evidence to
support our argument. Then we have a civil discussion to hopefully learn and
make good decisions. It amazes me how people follow blindly. Did you know
recent studies show Cannabis use by youth is down in Colorado? You can find
the evidence using Google and the reference...Researchers from the University of
Colorado, New York University, Johns Hopkins University and the Colorado
Department of Public Health and Environment teamed up to compare data from youth
drug use surveys from fall 2013, which was just prior to the start of legal
marijuana sales, and fall 2015. The public is growing tired of the same old
scare tactics. And stop trying to legislate my morality. I deserve free agency
like everyone does. MedC can be used without infringing on your rights.
Some of the comments on this thread are so paranoid and far-fetched they would
be laughable if not for the fact that that they may evoke similarly paranoid and
irrational responses in others. Don't be mislead. The single greatest
indicator of ignorance is exaggeration and distortion, and we've got plenty
of that here from those who seek to undermine this important legislation. I
really hope you folks get a chance to sit down and talk with those who are
afflicted with any one of these debilitating diseases. Thousands of scientific
studies and millions of anecdotal stories clearly indicate that cannabis is a
safe and effective treatment. You want to know what's "evil"?
Preventing people from safely accessing their medicine because of one's own
unfounded moral convictions.
Re: ". . . I am calling you out on the 100 or 1000 Prop 2 will harm. I want
to see some sort of evidence . . . ."You've got it
completely backwards. The burden is on proponents of "medical" weed to
show us it WON'T harm 100 or 1000 for every person they claim it might
help.Our assumption is certainly reasonable. Since greedy, evil
proponents of weed want to distribute massive amounts of it through their own
non-medical channels, it makes sense to assume that their interest is in making
piles and piles of money from people's ignorance and foolishness -- not in
any medicinal aspects weed may have -- and that they don't care about the
ill effects increased weed use will certainly have.The burden is now
on these proponents to prove to us -- Utah voters -- that we won't be
harmed by their scam. This they've refused and failed to do, suggesting
it's somehow our burden to prove them -- and their scam -- to be what we
know they are.That's very telling, don't you think?
Come on Choose_Right. As respectfully as I can be, I am calling you out on the
100 or 1000 Prop 2 will harm. I want to see some sort of evidence of this or
explanation of why you think this is true. You should really do some research
yourself rather than repeat what Brad Daw, Drug Safe Utah and the Utah Medical
Association says. If you are going to oppose MedC in Utah, then please do some
research and discuss a specific aspect so people will learn something. Saying
100 to 1000 people will be harmed if the initiative passes is baseless. Google
TRUCE UTAH to learn more. TRUCE is a great place to find links to articles
about MedC. TRUCE is Pro Medical Cannabis yes, but there is no better place to
learn. The facebook page has links to many articles.
This deceptively drafted medical marijuana initiative is nothing more than a
ruse for recreational marijuana use. For every person that it will help, it
will harm 100 or a 1000. There are no controls and it will soon be out of
control like other states that have legalized it.The issue
isn't whether or not some folks could benefit from medical marijuana. The
issue is whether or not this poorly written and deceptively written initiative
will ruin the state.
I could understand the alarm if it was funded by Guido the drug lord; but, Dr.
Bronner's and other natural based businesses? This is pathetic, it
isn't as if these businesses are passing out billions of opiods.
Having been in constant pain for years and now having my wife in constant pain
from a back issue I would support the medical marijuana availability. However I
do not want it dispensed through dispensaries! It should only be dispensed
through pharmacies as medicine. Allowing people to smoke marijuana for relief
should not be the goal. This change should allow for cannabis oils only for on
site application. This is the best method. Smoking it just leads to approval
of open sales of marijuana. Therefore I do not support this initiative.
Re: "We in the medical community tend to be dogmatic and close-minded. I
think it's time to put patients first."Good idea -- so why
don't you start doing it?If "medical" weed were really
intended as anything other than a money-making scam for evil people, it would be
distributed through medical channels.But, it's not.Case closed.
To "CommonSensePerson" I got that from the Denver Post where they were
speaking specifically about accidents involving deaths.
Sitting at a traffic light, I was hit by an undocumented driver who was eating
and driving with their knee. Steroid injections, OxyContin and physical therapy
was the treatment offered by my doctors. The pain I experienced every day was
so much that the opioids prescribed and 8 injections every 3 months were just
not working. And physical therapy, what a joke, I think they love that
you're in pain. Wrong doctors? Maybe, but all my insurance would
afford.I traveled to CO, tried CBD and a relaxing strain of THC.
That was the first time I started to get relief. I am currently risking my
freedom for relief. No big deal to someone not dealing with pain but when
something works and gives you quality of life again, what do you do? It's
medicine for me and it works. I have no worries that I'll overdose because
you can't, not angry either like Tequila often makes me . And I'm not
paying big pharma to offer up another side effect like Oxy did. Utah, stop with
the hype and do your homework... it's been approved in other states because
it works. And those worried about kids getting it? Well, is your beer sitting
in a fridge getting cold right now? An ounce of prevention...
To "RedShirtHarvard" I am not sure where you are getting your data but
based on a quick search the first thing I found was, "Colorado State Patrol
reports a decrease in the number of driving impaired accidents since marijuana
sales became legal."Good try, maybe next time
TOO:I'm an anesthesiologist and yes, I routinely anesthetize
cannabis users. I've noticed that the emergence for chronic smokers tends
to induce more coughing from chronic lung inflammation. I don't think that
smoking anything long-term is good for your lungs. But I've yet to have a
medical marijuana patient who says cannabis hasn't improved their life. We
can be fearful of 'drugs' if we want, or we can be compassionate to
patients. We in the medical community tend to be dogmatic and
close-minded. I think it's time to put patients first.
For the sake of a balanced perspective, anyone who reads the "legal
analysis" of the initiative, linked in the article, really ought to also
read the excellent response from the Libertas Institute. Links are apparently
not allowed, but it's well worth looking up.As the husband of a
woman who suffers from an extremely painful and incurable disease, often not
touched by opiates, I fully support legalizing cannabis for medical use, even if
only in extract/infused forms. It absolutely has a place among available
medications. It's also safer than the overwhelming majority of prescription
medications. I truly hope to see this initiative pass.
Why does no one talk about the big money (and I mean millions of dollars) behind
the opposition to this ballot initiative? This is not coming from small donors.
Wanna do some real investigative journalism? How about an article on the group
willing and able to spend millions to keep voters from being able to vote on
I look forward to the follow-up article: "The money behind Utah's
contentious medical opioid and other RX that keeps Utah in the top 20 States for
RX drug abuse".
Cannabis Use- is going to be decided in Court not legislature.Drug
Offenders have Constitutional Discovery Rights& those rights have been
denied for over 2 yrs.Fact-Any law that violates citizen
equality is Not Constitutional:Controlled Substance Acts~violates citizen
equality & created a monopoly.3 drug cases (3rd district
court)have evidence filed to free Kimberly Feldman, Brad Ellis & Brian
Johnson. It won't matter which court expert (attorney) is forced to
testify by subpoena.1-doctors aren't under oath of office
(Constitutional Oath to uphold citizen equality or be impartial in all their
duties)2-Doctors sell Government Use Permits- Like the ATF & are only
private business venture.3-Doctors being private citizens- not under oath-
get to keep the Gov. Permit fees, which are temporary causing strong monopoly
powers with pharmacies- blocking free markets rules of pricing, sales &
distribution to all citizens with equality.1-If you believe that
'Controlled Substance Acts' (giving Doctors the power of government
permit sales) violate equalitySign here:2- If you believe that
'Controlled Substance Acts' (giving Doctors the power of government
permit sales) are lawful
All American why restrict to CBD only? CBD is but one component. The whole
idea is for whole plant to be available to patients that need it. Google
Cannabis's Entourage Effect and learn away. In My Opinion the isolating of
parts of the plant mostly only serve pharmaceutical companies. Sometimes one
component may be good, and I have nothing against the RX companies. But I also
think a person has the right to try this plant for medical purposes with the
advice of their Dr. If you oppose Prop 2, please at least spend an hour
reading about this plant. Blindly agreeing with Brad Daw or Drug Safe Utah
doesn't serve anyone.
Big pharma opposes this because they can't make any money off marijuana
use. At the same time, we are in the middle of an opioid crisis. Those who are
in severe, constant pain can't get enough prescribed to manage their pain.
They could replace it with marijuana derivatives, and it would be a lot safer
than opioids. I personally know a number of friends and relatives who would
benefit from marijuana derivatives, and who would much prefer to use it instead
of opioids. If you don't deal with serious pain, or those who do, get off
your high horse about it. You don't know what you are talking about. Every
plant has its uses. Just because something has a potential for abuse
doesn't mean it has no potential for positive uses.I take no
position on this PARTICULAR bill, or on exactly the best way to make it
available to those who would benefit. But it really irritates me when people
simply spout off on what others may or may not do. What happened to free agency?
It's far less dangerous than alcohol or tobacco.
The Utah Medical Cannabis Act is considered by independent national groups like
Americans for Safe Access (ASA) to be the most conservatively drafted medical
cannabis program in the country. With no smoking allowed and no home cultivation
allowed, it is the only program in the country with such prohibitions. 31 States
now have medical programs and 8 states have recreational programs. Montana for
example has had a medical only program since 2004. The huge leap of absurdity it
takes to conclude that a medical program necessitates a recreational program is
fool hardy at best. The list of conditions that a patient must meet are as
follows: HIV, Alzheimers, ALS, Cancer, Cachexia, Crohns Disease, Epilepsy,
Multiple Sclerosis, Chronic or Debilitating Pain. Which of these horrendous
conditions do opponents think should be left off? Which of these horrendous
conditions would you want to send your neighbor packing to a neighboring state
to get their medical treatment in their most vulnerable time of need? Read the
ballot initiative for yourself and learn more movement to help these patients.
These people are indeed patients and not criminals.
@Donald Johnson, who wrote: "the vast majority of users claim bogus or
unverified things like "chronic pain" or anxiety"Wow. So
pain and mental health issues are "bogus"?If that's the
level of ignorance which supports a no-vote, this should pass easily.I'd hate to have my medical decisions made by someone who can't see
past their biases enough to make a proper diagnosis.
To "Flipphone " but legalization has occurred already for marijuana.
There are several marijuana based drugs that are legal in the US.To
"Thomas Thompson" with all of the problems society faces due to alcohol,
why do we need another mind altering substance to be legalized?To
"one vote" I sure hope you are being sarcastic. Colorado has more than
doubled the car accidents involving people high. Teen drug use is increasing.
Plus you more kids being hospitalized after eating MJ laced foods.But hey, what is a few lives to have the freedom to enjoy marijuana.
Why not restrict this initiative to CBD oil only? It can be vaporized and
inhaled, one of the most popular ways to use it, or taken orally. If you
experience pain in specific parts of your body, CBD oil can be added to topical
treatments so you can rub it directly into the target area. You can’t get
high from vaping or directly applying CBD oil.
Donald Johnson to your 4th point that Teen use increases and that Cannabis is
linked to increased schizophrenia. From the journal Prevention Research...From a recent study..."Researchers from the University of Colorado,
New York University, Johns Hopkins University and the Colorado Department of
Public Health and Environment teamed up to compare data from youth drug use
surveys from fall 2013, which was just prior to the start of legal marijuana
sales, and fall 2015." One of their comments..."Frequency Of Use And
Consumption At School Decrease. In addition to “an absence of significant
effects for change in lifetime or past 30-day marijuana use,” the results
also showed that teens reporting that they had used cannabis during the past
month did so less frequently and that use on school properties declined."I have read studies that indicate Cannabis MAY increase schizophrenia
SYMPTOMS (NOT CAUSE) in youth. Remember, doctors have to consider the patient,
their current medical conditions and other RX use before recommending Cannabis
OR ANY OTHER RX. Have you seen the drug interaction list given with any RX?Why do opponents insist on misleading, skewed and outdated facts?
I believe that mind-altering substances need to be carefully considered,
researched, monitored and regulated. The evidence I have seen suggests
"pot" generally should not be used by those under 25-years of age. I believe in limiting government's influence on individual's
personal lives. For this reason, I cannot understand why marijuana was ever made
illegal at the federal level. I have seen evidence of the "war
on drugs" being used as a mask for systematic racism. The documentary
"13th" makes a great case for this. I do support
legalization for medical use. I would prefer to see further research to
determine other practical purposes. The FDA recently approved a prescription
medication that uses ingredients from marijuana. This tells me there is value in
the plant. I also fully believe it should be removed from the
"schedule one" drug list at the federal level. Marijuana use should be,
and should always have been, a state-level issue.
Thomas Thompson: "I believe the initiative will be defeated, because most
Utah voters have never used marijuana and fully accept the myth that its use
suggests a degenerate individual, and that its wide use may suggest a degenerate
culture."No surprise there. This same "Reefer Madness"
culture has been conditioned, since birth, to shudder and shake their head at
someone drinking a cup of coffee or tea. When they don't understand coffee
or tea, I can't see them understanding marijuana.
The "medical marijuana" issue is "divisive" because it is
obviously just a thinly-veiled attempt to get marijuana more available and
normalize its use. Otherwise, we can simply treat marijuana like any
other drug. Its "medical benefits" are very thinly supported, mostly
from mere anecdotal evidence, magnified by endless repetition of the stories by
A few observations from a state that approved medical marijuana a couple of
years ago:1. You will get a significant increase in usage and in the
normalization of usage. While usage before was not uncommon, it is now even much
more common, including among teens. 2. We now see advertising and
billboards etc telling people how to get it.3. While people act like the
users will be cancer patients, the vast majority of users claim bogus or
unverified things like "chronic pain" or anxiety, which a network of
marijuana-friendly providers are very happy to rubber stamp for people without
question.4. Teen use increases, and marijuana use in teens has been linked
to increases in schizophrenia and other psychoses. Hopefully Utah will
vote against it.
In states that have some form of medical cannabis access... they see on average
a 25% drop in opioid overdose deaths. 24 people every month die from prescribed
opioids in Utah. Having a non-lethal alernative to opioids will save on average
6 people a month!!! These people are mothers, fathers, sons and daughters... In
the first year of Nevada's legalization for recreational they've seen
a 9% drop in impared traffic deaths. To side with Utah's medical access
initiative... is to side with saving lives. These are rock solid and proveable
facts. People opposing this measure will come up with arguements that sound
pragmatic and real, but they're not :/ just a bunch of empty scare tactics.
To oppose this measure... is to side with the continued death of our lived ones.
I don't want you to just take my word for it... do the research. Cannabis
is safer than asprin yet the governemnt thinks it's worse than meth... let
that sink in. Do your homework before voting and let logic guide your vote...
that's all I ask.
In the last two decades I've lived in Utah, California, and Washington
state. Of those states, the hardest one to find marijuana in was.....none of the
above. It's ubiquitous and so easy to obtain that even kids figure it out.
Utah might as well tax it like everyone else.
So those who support the measure put it $698,000. It wasn't reported, but
I am guessing "big pharma" put in more to lobby our legislature and
defeat the measure - balance this out Deseret News! Opiods remain
more profitable than marijuana, so pharmaceutical companies will spend more to
defeat such measures. No money will go to research because of the lopsided
funding. If there is a benefit it will be kept homeopathic, illegal and
benefit fewer people.Recreational users will use the drug regardless
of this measure. Desperate people with health issues will use it reluctantly
because it will be illegal. It seems to me that government needs to step in
and do the research for benefit, because opiods remain more profitable than
marijuana, Step up to the plate and get it right Utah! The legislature needs
to quit accepting lobbying money and fund research so we can get it right. No
guessing games - like this measure. It is not a popular thing, we need to base
this on science and fact away from influence of money!
Re: "The money behind Utah's contentious medical marijuana
initiative"That says it all. "Medical" weed is nothing
more than a money-making scam -- one of the most serious of the "evils and
designs which do and will exist in the hearts of conspiring men" that
we've been warned about for 185 years.Proof positive of this
inarguable fact is that the supposedly "medical" weed will not be
offered through medical channels under this evil scam. Rather, it sets up a
money-making network of outlets not dedicated to health and relief of pain, but
to filthy lucre.This scam has destroyed lives in every state where
it's been tried, including in several on our borders. Why in the name of
all that's holy would we ever give in to these conspiring men and invite
them to ruin the lives of our kids and grandkids?It's literal
"People feel comfortable with the idea that medical patients should have
access to medical cannabis for very specific medical needs."But
that's not what this initiative would do. It would grant wide-spread
marijuana use to just about anyone who wanted it, allowing people to grow their
own "medicine" in their home or yard, with no restriction on age. This
initiative would allow teens to grow their own pot in their bedrooms. It would
even allow the dangerous, addictive drug to be used by children and toddlers.
If proponents think marijuana has medicinal properties, then they
should support laws that would treat it like a medicine rather than this
initiative that treats it like a party drug. If marijuana can truly help those
suffering from health proplems, then it should be reclassified as a schedule II
drug at the federal level, tested, and approved by the FDA like any other drug.
3grandslams, good advice. I agree there are many loopholes in the initiative.
and I am aware of just a couple. I know they are several pages deep into the
initiative, so very few know what they are (since they just read the first two
or three pages). Could you, or someone else, please state those loopholes deep
in the writings so we all will know what they are? Thank you!
Pot as currently used is NOT of medical value. Could that be changed? Maybe
but I have doubts. But, what we DO know is the impact of what "recreational
Pot" gives to the participants and that is not good. Therefore, knowing the
negative effects, why would we permit it to become free for all? That makes no
sense to me.One other thing I found interesting is how much money
was given to our politicians for their elections. That is just another example
of why lobbyists money should be illegal and not acceptable. And, of course,
our pols and lobbyists will object that, right? Right. A big part of the
problem we have in that regard is the involvement of lobbyists and they should
be banned. Now, as has not been done for 50 years plus, lobbyists
need to be out of the political picture dealing with pot and many, many other
issues. And of course, that will be fought even more than the pro-pot group,
I appreciated the facts in this article. It certainly had a slant and bias but
I suppose every article is going to. As a supporter of the initiative, I think
it would have been more accurate and clear - as far as headlines and graphics
and focus - to make a bigger deal of how little "big money" has come
into this ballot initiative when compared with any of the rest of them. At any
rate, I 'm glad medicinal marijuana will make it to the ballot and,
hopefully, to the people that need the beneficial effects.
@Thomas Thompson:You're usually more logical than this. You
say you oppose the legalization of marijuana because someone might use it and
get behind the wheel of a car. Do you apply the same "logic" to ban
other drugs that shouldn't be used while driving, like antihistamines, pain
pills and some antidepressants? Or do you apply a more nuanced approach and
allow people to use those medications, with the caveat that if their reaction
times are impaired, they shouldn't drive? Millions and millions
of Americans have used marijuana with no adverse effects and without progressing
to hard drugs, just as most people can drink alcohol without abusing it. I
don't understand why some people are so afraid of it.
"But Drug Safe Utah, a group formed in April specifically to oppose the
ballot initiative, claims the popularity has come on the back of slick messaging
perfected by outsiders interested in seeing the proliferation of permissive
recreational marijuana laws around the country."And so what if
it is? 'Drug Safe Utah' is a group which literally just invented
itself using its OWN interest in seeing a destructive war on a plant that they
have no understanding of and is trying to force people to suffer more than they
need to. "In Utah, Plumb said, the national group's
strategy with donating $218,000 is "based on the compassion of Utah, that we
want to help people." But, he asks, "what's the social
cost?""More availability means more usage and honestly, I
don't think Utah voters
understand "Anyone can get
cannabis right now. Your pearl clutching is silly. And the attitude that only
you understand and the voters are just too stupid to get it? Oh brother. But the entire prohibition of cannabis was idiotic in the first place
and those still fighting it are making a stupid mistake.
The only reason this initiative has any legs at all in my mind is the backlash
of the completely unreasonable classification of cannabis as a schedule 1 drug.
This classification prevents any real research and development of
cannabis. This is unacceptable. The end game may be legalization for
recreational use and I oppose that, but this mindless prohibition needs to be
broken down.I am still undecided, but we have to break through the
stupidity of a Schedule 1 classification. I would love to see efforts to that
If marijuana is a slippery slope to heroin then what is milk?
Give the marijuana issue over to the big Pharms , as Orrin Hatch wants to do,
would be to continue the street sale(s). Big pharms got big by charging big
prices. No reason for them to change now. Also, I didn't hear
much from the far right here in Utah screaming about all the Koch money flowing
into Utah for the far right issues being advanced.
re: Jeremiah FlanksteakHeroin and cocaine are "just plants"
as well. I find your acceptable criteria lacking.
Beyond the LDS Church, the Utah Medical Association and law enforcement reject
this proposal for legalizing marijuana. With full recreation being the clear
goal, this should tell people what they need to know.
This is going to be just like the voucher issue in public ed. The out of state
money came pouring in but when it came down to it, the citizens of Utah saw
right through their charade and did what was right for Utah. You
can already see from the comments here that the real goal is to make it legal
recreationally, not medically. We can artificially produce the part
that might be medically beneficial without having people getting high
recreationally .For the poster that said it has worked out well for
neighboring states, I suggest you go read what this mess has caused in
Colorado.This will be an easy vote.
It should be legalized recreationally. People need to realize it’s not the
boogeyman under the bed. It’s just a plant, folks. If I choose to partake
simply to get ‘high’ why do people care? I don’t get it. I can
drink alcohol all day every day...but I can’t smoke a joint ‘just
because’? My business is my business....I’m not hurting you. Leave
me alone; let me smoke my pot if that’s what I choose to do!
Recreational use should be next. It is working out very well in the neighboring
The real benefit of medical marijuana is the oil derived from the plant, not the
ability to smoke or otherwise ingest the plant itself. This initiative is the
equivalent of the camel getting not just its nose in the tent but everything
except the tail. It is a dangerous policy/legal change and needs to be rejected
by the voters.
sgallen:I am also one who takes care of people. I have tried and
seen multiple times the effects of marijuana on a person. Have you ever tried to
administer anesthesia to a person who smokes or ingests pot? They require at
least double the amount of IV medications to get them to sleep and at a descent
level of anesthetic. At least. The IV medications are weaker, the gases are
weaker, and the respiratory system is horrendous.All other persons:
No honest seeker of truth can think--even small smoking
amounts--that marijuana is healthy. You are inhaling smoke into soft, sensitive
tissue--tissue that is easily damaged by smoke or toxins. You are inhaling who
knows what kind of fungus or bacteria.Pot is not innocuous. Those
claiming otherwise simply have not done research or have not experienced it.
This WILL lead to other uses. Saying that this will only be used medicinally is
I'm all for the responsible legalization of cannabis for medical use. But
this initiative does not meet that definition. As 3grandslams states it's
full of loopholes and rules that take it from responsible, scientifically guided
medicinal use to barely disguised recreational.Medical use indicates
that a Doctor will prescribe a specific dose for a specific malady. That
medicine will be provided by a trained Pharmacist who will know (or be able to
research) any possibly conflicts with other medications the patient is taking.
The Pharmacist will ensure the patient gets the medicine in the prescribed doses
and reviews the treatment plan with the patient at the time of sale. This
initiative does none of that, but rather the Doctor says yes cannabis may help,
here is your permission card, and the patient goes to a dispensary where an
untrained, unlicensed sales clerk will help recommend the "treatment".
That is not medicine. That's recreational use approved by a doctor.Further it is claimed we can use the sales tax to help education, but
the initiative prohibits the state from taxing this medical MJ.Let
the legislature pass good law, not this poorly written mess. Vote
S.“most if not all looked pretty dang healthy”Do you have a super power that can see disease or the absence thereof?You seriously don’t think everyone who is ill looks so, do you?
I've read the entire initiative, it is filled with loop holes that
it's a strategy to eventually get to recreational use. It is a Trojan
horse. Shame on supporters with ulterior motives, using the sick and afflicted
as the poster child for their ultimate intent. I hope Utah will
treat marijuana like a drug and have it heavily regulated and in medical hands
The "slippery slope" argument that medical marijuana will lead to
recreational marijuana in Utah is simply a fear tactic. Although legal use of
recreational marijuana would be less harmful than the use of alcoholic
beverages, Utah politicians and voters aren't going to legalize it, and
they aren't going to outlaw alcohol.
My mother benefited greatly from medical marijuana when she had cancer. I'm
a physician and I've seen it help in a myriad of circumstances. I hope we
can have compassion on patients who would benefit from its use and be a little
more open minded and compassionate toward our fellow man.
Owl said it ALL in their last sentence. I've observed folks entering and
leaving "medical marijuana joints" (pun intended) and most if not all
looked pretty dang healthy. The one thing they had in common is that they
looked like pot head, you know old, new and wannabe hippie types. Oh, and when
they departed, they all got in their vehicles and merrily drove away.
Please careful about what is claimed to be fact by so many pseudoscience
internet sites claiming to be real research when in fact it is nothing more than
a agenda driven PR site.
So much hype and hysteria. People claiming medical studies this that the other
yet these studies are never cited. Much of what opponents say they are opposed
to already exists in many different forms not related to "pot" or the
proper scientific name is cannabis. So many want to hit the fear button for
those that are not familiar with the subject. Please take the time to read the
initiative and see what it will do and not do. Do not rely on other peoples
opinions. Read it study it and make your own informed decision. Everyone, please
cite your sources when claiming medical support for your position, weather for
or against please.
Remember this: 'it's crystal clear that full legalization of full
recreational marijuana is that group's long-term goal'. Groups like
these are deceptive; they claim compassion, but deliver destruction. Proponents have outspent opponents on this initiative by over 6 times, but
it's drafted in such a reckless form that this is going to fail. When
voters get a chance to understand what a mess it is, I think it will come in at
around 40 percent.
Please do your research before voting on this critical measure. Get the
information from educators, social workers, counselors, and law enforcement from
states like Colorado and California. The liberal leaders in those states
won't admit to the problems being caused by the increase in marijuana use.
Learn from these states who all claimed that people would be helped and crime
would drop. More DUI accidents and fatalities. Kids coming to school reeking of
pot. Increase in homelessness and need for social services. Follow the money.
Do you think these deep-pocket donors are seriously interested in the best
interests of your community? Why aren't they donating those hundreds of
thousands of dollars to your state for social programs that don't involve
drug use? In California, politicians swept up land for grows by hundreds of
acres in advance of legal marijuana, medical or otherwise. No financial interest
there, right? As for compassion for medical reasons, again look to the other
states that started with medical marijuana. It's rampant abuse of the
system. Not one state has been able to regulate it as intended. Please consider
these facts before you send Utah down a bad path.
The scientific data on marijuana documents that it has adverse effects on
developing brains, increases the incident of psychotic breaks in teenagers and
has many of the health problems associated with inhaling tobacco smoke.
Cannabidiol, a component that has no psychotropic effects, if useful in certain
types of epilepsy. The "compassionate" aspect of medical
marijuana is a thinly veiled effort to promote recreational use, an area that
offers huge corporate profits.
If someone opposes recreational use of alcohol then I can support their
opposition to MJ. Otherwise, MJ is far safer and has untold medical benefits. I
believe it will be federally legalized within 10 years. Smart citizens are
allowing for the medical benefits now and recognizing the benign consequences of
actually being high on MJ. High on alcohol and you insist on getting behind the
wheel. High on opioids and you may OD. High on MJ and you struggle to get off
This can't pass without a majority vote helped along by the LDS. Any
adverse studies on marijuana use are ignored and ridiculed.“Vice is a monster of so frightful mienAs to be hated needs but to
be seen;Yet seen too oft, familiar with her face,We first endure,
then pity, then embrace.”― Alexander Pope
Plumb might benefit from reading or listening to what Milton Friedman, an
economist, had to say about the negative implications of laws prohibiting
marijuana usage. As with most other instances of government interference, the
negative implications of the unintended consequences of government policy
outweigh the perceived benefits.
I support proper research and then medical use of marijuana under physicians
orders and direction. This will require changes in federal law.I
oppose recreational use of marijuana which this initiative makes all but
impossible to prevent.The same voices that demand obedience to
federal land laws and the dictates of federal judges on marriage suddenly
support States rights and nullification of federal drug laws? Those who claim
loose gun laws in Virginia cause violence in Maryland are now celebrating easy
access to pot in Colorado? Those who attack multi-level herbal supplements as
untested and umproven now accept personal testimonials and tell us big pharm is
conspiring to keep pot off the market.Lets get a law that treats
sick people without allowing recreational use.No on this poorly or
dishonestly drafted initiative.
Let the people decide.
TT, Opiates are helpful for a variety of therapies, but can get out of control
in a hurry.Are you against opiates as well? Medical marijuana helps
people, but you don't have any point of reference...do you?
It is insane that Medical Marijuana is even being debated. Legalization should
have already occurred.
I believe the initiative will be defeated, because most Utah voters have never
used marijuana and fully accept the myth that its use suggests a degenerate
individual, and that its wide use may suggest a degenerate culture. Neither of
these things are necessarily true. But what is true is this: whatever
beneficial effects it might have if used medicinally, marijuana impairs the
senses of those who use it. It may not be entirely comparable to alcohol, but
we have no scientifically determined data to decide that issue. For me, the
issue comes down to a single question: Do I want to approve, as a matter of
law, the legalization of one more substance that could have adverse consequences
if a user gets behind the wheel of a car while high? My answer is "no."