Doug Robinson: When it comes to Urban Meyer's current situation, he's his own worst enemy

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  • ~ Angel ~ McKinney, TX
    Aug. 15, 2018 12:17 p.m.

    When Meyer was at the UU he did a good job of hiding the academic scandals. Offensive lineman Chris Kemoeatu got in a fight against San Diego State and kicked a player. The next week he got into a fight against UNLV where he ripped off the players helmet then kicked the downed defender in the face, breaking his eye socket and almost blinding him.
    Between the two incidents, Meyer saw to it that Kemoeatu only missed a single game.

    "UNLV coach John Robinson said the incident, which first saw Fuimaono get his helmet ripped off and then ended with Kemoeatu's straight-on kick into the face, "the worst I've seen in my time as an athlete. It was a serious, serious incident. I thought Howie was injured badly."

    Fuimaono had blurred vision and headaches for several hours after one of Kemoeatu's cleats connected with his left eye socket but did not suffer any major injuries from the kick."

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 13, 2018 8:22 a.m.

    Excellent story, Doug. Putting collegiate sports in a rational perspective is difficult when it is confronted by money, rabid fans and a win-at-all-cost mentality. Ohio State must chose between ethical behavior and football success. I'm not optimistic about their decision.

    Ironically, Meyer represents the best in football prominence and the worst in acceptable behavior. That may be an unsolvable conflict until the Ivy League model of sports is adopted.

  • MikeVike66 St. George, UT
    Aug. 13, 2018 1:42 a.m.

    Moderate-
    You wouldn't. However, if he's your hire, on your staff, and you get caught in a lie on national TV, then you might lose your job.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 12, 2018 6:40 p.m.

    I struggle to understand why I have to lose my job, if my co-worker beats his wife.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Aug. 12, 2018 3:34 p.m.

    Simplicity:
    "Dont get involved with controlling and abusive individuals. Dont get involved with alcoholics. Dont get involved with drug users".

    Are you serious? Do you think every woman who decides to be committed to someone she loves thinks he's going to hit and abuse her? Do you think every man is an alcoholic (or people know he's an alcoholic) when a woman first builds a relationship and life with him? Often victims don't see the darker side of an individual until they love them and are committed to a relationship, often to include children. I agree that individuals are responsible for the decisions they make, but you sir obviously have no idea what DV/abuse feels or looks like in reality...which is alarming considering you've said you are a Dr.

    Has a woman you loved (daughter, niece, cousin, friend) ever been threatened with their life if they tell anyone, and then been beaten when the offender thinks he's been betrayed? You have no idea what that fear is like (I don't either, but that's precisely why I choose not to judge a victim who stays in an abusive relationship).

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Aug. 12, 2018 3:13 p.m.

    BlueHusky:
    "One has to wonder about the SEC ..."

    This isn't an SEC problem, it's a college athletics problem. Do the names Mike Price, Joe Paterno, or Rick Pitino ring a bell? Do you recall that Bama actually fired Price before he even coached a game there based on allegations of misconduct?

    Sad fact is, this nonsense goes on everywhere (including PAC12 schools), but it's what a coach, AD, or administrator do about it when they find out that matters. I don't have a problem with Saban giving a guy a 2nd chance...when the guy wasted that chance he was promptly fired. So why do you feel this is an SEC problem over other conferences?

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Aug. 12, 2018 12:40 p.m.

    CO Ute:

    Spot on. I've never liked Urban Meyer but that probably has more to do with him being the coach at Utah and Florida if I'm being honest. By most accounts he seems like a decent guy.

    What people seem to be missing here, or simply choose to ignore, is that Urban has not been indicted, not been found guilty of any wrong doing to this point. Why? Because OSU has put him on paid administrative leave to investigate the situation and come to the best possible conclusion. That seems fair.

    So then my question becomes, when UM and Gene Smith (AD) knew about the allegations, why didn't they simply remove Zach Smith and place him on leave to investigate the situation, just like the University has done now with Urban? Both of them had the power to do so as the HC or AD while Smith's allegations were investigated by the school, Title IX office, or the authorities. This is the troubling part of this whole case along with the fact that Urban lied about not knowing anything about it in the first place, then changed his story.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Aug. 12, 2018 10:13 a.m.

    Meyer allowed 30 criminals to play on his Florida team? And Ohio State hired him? 1980's Oklahoma coach Barry Switzer had a couple of criminals on his team, and he was fired. Nebraska coach of the same era, Tom Osborne, reputedly tolerated players with "bad behavior" and supposedly had an arrangement with the sheriff to let him handle players who were arrested.

    College football is a big money industry and the NCAA is encouraging it. Win at all cost is what it's about with many athletic departments. I'll take Sitake, Whittingham, Peterson any day over a guy like Meyer. BYU, Utah, and Washington may not win a national championship, but they have integrity. One has to wonder about the SEC ...

  • NeilT Ogden, UT
    Aug. 12, 2018 10:00 a.m.

    It is obvious by the many comments posted many still do not take domestic violence seriously or understand the dynamics of abusive relationships. I could care less how many national championships Meyer has won or how brilliant a coach he is. If a school principal had any knowledge of a faculty member being abusive in any situation and took no action the public would be outraged and demand the principal be fired. Innocent until proven guilty applies to a court of law not the right to teach or coach sports. Why is a football coach any different? I hope Ohio State fires Meyer and he never coaches another football game. Domestic violence is no longer considered a private family matter. I hope the posters on here are a fringe minority and not representative of sports fans in general.

  • CO Ute Chandler, AZ
    Aug. 12, 2018 9:40 a.m.

    I think most of you are missing the point. I am a big Urban Meyer fan but I think he has lost a lot of integrity trying to win.

    I don’t have an issue with him not firing Smith. Nothing has been proven and while he may be guilty, there is a presumption of innocence.

    Where I find fault is both Urban and his wife knew about allegations. Then they knew about more allegations, and then even more allegations. Yet Urban brought Smith to OSU. Then when more allegations come up neither Urban nor Shelly reported this to the school. That is the failure that bothers me. Did he need to fire Smith? No. Suspend him? Maybe. Report the situation? Absolutely.

  • Real Ute Dallas, TX
    Aug. 12, 2018 9:31 a.m.

    I vehemently respect Urban Meyer! He is brilliant!

  • 76Cougar Raleigh, NC
    Aug. 12, 2018 9:14 a.m.

    THEREALND claims “One deserved a NC. The other did not.” But, in real life, “One has a NC. The other does not.”

  • Granny Saint George, UT
    Aug. 12, 2018 9:05 a.m.

    @utahute69. Fortunately, Ohio State may do the politically correct thing and fire Urban and anyone else there in authority who knew about the abuse before this summer when the information became more public.

    I'm wondering how utahute69 knows that "many professors, and high level university/college administrators know of abuse caused by their peers or they are, in fact, the abusers." Could be true but I'm just curious what the source of his/her data is.

  • Thomas Thompson Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 12, 2018 6:18 a.m.

    The facts -- insofar as we actually know them at this point -- with respect to Urban Meyer and the facts with respect to Nick Saban are not remotely comparable. Nick Saban " invited Jonathan Taylor to join his team shortly after Taylor was dismissed by Georgia following a domestic violence arrest in which he was indicted on two felony counts for hitting and choking his girlfriend." Urban Meyer may have heard from his wife that she was advised by the wife of an Assistant Coach that the Coach had been guilty of abuse. This double hearsay is quite different from the fact that Saban clearly knew the guy he wanted on the team was indicted for felonious behavior. Meyer and Saban should not be painted with the same broad brush. Meyer did nothing wrong and, under the circumstances, had no duty to report the alleged wrongdoing until the courts had spoken on the matter -- which is exactly what he did.

  • utahute69 Laguna Niguel, CA
    Aug. 12, 2018 12:48 a.m.

    Unfortunately, Ohio State will do the politically correct thing and fire Urban. I don't care for Urban but, he will be sacrificed to protect Ohio State from the storm of politically correct elite at all levels of higher education should he escape this mess. On the other hand, many professors, and high level university/college administrators know of abuse caused by their peers or they are, in fact, the abusers. I would love to know how many professors and college administrators are fired,throughout the US, because they knew that one of their own was abusing a spouse. The answer is probably zero.

  • SIMPLICITY Denver, CO
    Aug. 11, 2018 11:18 p.m.

    @AZC9 in South Jordan said "I’ll tell you why an adult may hesitate to go straight to authorities. Because when women go to the authorities they are often not believed . . ."

    And your point is.....

    This doesn't shift accountability to someone else, an institution, an employer, or society. Every adult is responsible for their lives. Dont get involved with controlling and abusive individuals. Dont get involved with alcoholics. Dont get involved with drug users. Dont entrap yourself financially with an abuser. And yes, if you feel abused or fear for your life then you yourself should go to the police.

    Life isn't perfect for anyone. If your world is broken than improve it or change it. We get what we allow and accept.

  • HowDoYouDo Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 11, 2018 9:04 p.m.

    @AZC9 in South Jordan said "I’ll tell you why an adult may hesitate to go straight to authorities. Because when women go to the authorities they are often not believed . . ."

    Maybe so. But also there are many people that fabricate stories, including the woman close to your home that recently made up the story that a door-to-door salesman broke into her home and raped her. I cannot even understand her rationale. Search online "woman made up story" and you will find plenty of this nonsense. I personally know a woman just like this so excuse mine and the skepticism of others.

  • Elkhorn Loveland, CO
    Aug. 11, 2018 7:01 p.m.

    rvalens2: “The Utes' 2008 team was the better than Urban Myer's 2004 team.”

    I disagree. The 2008 team was more tested, but the 2004 team was much better.

  • 8 in a row! Ogden, UT
    Aug. 11, 2018 6:10 p.m.

    Not too long ago Colorado’s Mike MacIntyre went through a very similar situation as the head coach. He still has his job.

  • AZC9 South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 11, 2018 5:49 p.m.

    @simplicity. I’ll tell you why an adult may hesitate to go straight to authorities. Because when women go to the authorities they are often not believed- or their abuse is minimized. They are afraid for their lives. A man is beating them! Also, many times women give up their own careers to support their husband’s career. This puts them in a financially difficult position. In domestic abuse situations it may not be as “simple” as you would like to believe. Please, have some empathy.

  • SIMPLICITY Denver, CO
    Aug. 11, 2018 5:25 p.m.

    As a doctor, i dont report every adult patient to the authorities that i suspect could be abused. Now children, that is a different issue, as they are minors and often cannot defend themselves or know to contact the authorities.

    Why does the media love to sensationalize mundane, unsubstantiated things and embolden the police state? This woman is not an employee of Ohio State. I can guarantee there are many spouses of coaches and professors across the colleges of the USA that are beaten or abused. I can also guarantee that many of these spouses have been advised to seek treatment or the police. Just like at Ohio State. And the police didn't press charges in 2015. Are we just dealing with allegations, therefore no charges where pressed?

    But one would wonder, if you are an adult wouldn't you simply call the authorities yourself if you were abused? And who's fault is that if you, as a adult, dont take responsibility for yourself.

    Or, everything bad that happens is someone else's fault right??

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Aug. 11, 2018 5:14 p.m.

    @JMerrill

    To answer your question, no charges were ever filed by the Powell Police Department, but they did notify Ohio State University of the allegations. It would have been the duty of the Title IX compliance office to do any further investigation. It seems unlikely that under these circumstances Urban Meyer would have any incentive to withhold information. Meanwhile, I'm not sure the public or the press are in any better position to resolve the conflicting stories of what happened in the Smith's marriage than the authorities are.

  • strom thurmond taylorsville, UT
    Aug. 11, 2018 4:15 p.m.

    Judge not lest he be judged, someone once said

    It’s amazing how mr Robinson, and others, are still smarting from the just treatment Urban gave the cougs.

    Our rage obsessed culture seems to have obliterated the notion of innocent until proven guilty.

    Pathetic.

  • Curtaco Monroe, UT
    Aug. 11, 2018 4:09 p.m.

    So Nick Sabin did it, so Urban should get the same pathetic pass is a weak response to such a serious criminal issue. Urban has an always will be selfish to his core. He signed multi-year contracts at Bowling Green and Utah, and broke them both. Brought in a gangster athlete mentality 30 player arrests, and then like always ran from Florida, like he did in Salt Lake. When urban knew Coach Smith beat his wife in 2009. Then Urban brought him with him to Ohio State and promoted him. Now he owns the actions of someone he should have fired.

  • UtahUte91 Sandy, UT
    Aug. 11, 2018 3:43 p.m.

    Urban left Florida in shambles and it appears that Ohio St is close to leaving Urban's coaching career in shambles.

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    Aug. 11, 2018 3:18 p.m.

    The Utes' 2008 team was the better than Urban Myer's 2004 team.

    The 2008 team was in all likelihood the best Utah team in the past 50 years. They ran roughshod over Alabama in the 2009 Sugar Bowl, winning 31-17.

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    Aug. 11, 2018 3:12 p.m.

    Reality is that the 2009 Utah Utes were far better than the 1984 Brigham Young Cougars. One deserved a National Championship. The other did not.

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    Aug. 11, 2018 3:02 p.m.

    No charges were ever filed until July 2018, and Smith was immediately fired. If Meyer didn't see the domestic abuse first hand, what was he supposed to do, fire Smith on hearsay?

  • KimmyP Grantsville, UT
    Aug. 11, 2018 2:38 p.m.

    "the same guy who renamed byu, forever to be TDS"...

    Well, he could have went with byu-p. 😹

  • Common Cents Lehi, UT
    Aug. 11, 2018 2:28 p.m.

    "Should have won a fourth National Championship" w/ Utah? Utah was awesome, they were a fantastic team and one of the top teams to ever play in the state. No argument there. Perhaps they weren't even tested to see just how good they were. This is also true. Maybe they could've been the NC, had they been given an opportunity. We'll never know. Just like we'll never really know how good some of BYU's great teams were.

    I personally think USC, Auburn, and OU were superior teams to the Utes in '04.

  • CameToPass Everett, WA
    Aug. 11, 2018 1:02 p.m.

    Urban firing couldn't happen to a nicer fellow ... the same guy who renamed BYU, forever to be "TDS." Obviously, a man of character and good will.

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    Aug. 11, 2018 12:55 p.m.

    He won't get fired. Maybe suspended for about 3 games. Football is money and he is the money man. Not a fan of his, but I'm not sure this rises to the level of losing ones career.

  • JMerrill Provo, UT
    Aug. 11, 2018 12:12 p.m.

    Doug -- it sounds like the police intervened years ago. What was the result of their investigation?

    Are you asking an employer to be wiser than the authorities? I am NOT saying that the assistant coach is innocent. However neither you nor I know the facts. Should any allegation of impropriety result in immediate termination? Or should we wait until we get all the facts? And since we cannot get all the facts, can we rely on law enforcement? Which brings us back to the original question: the police intervened years ago. What was the result of their investigation?