In our opinion: Good leaders go where they're not welcome

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  • dUUi Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 14, 2018 9:41 a.m.

    Political censorship is hate speech - pure and simple. There is nothing else it can be. The left has been censoring conservative speech for political reasons, and it is definitely an act of hate speech. They censor what they can't argue against.

    @Green Chille - you said "It includes the many conservatives who have been the victim of leftist hate speech who have been censored by Facebook, Apple, Google, and Snapchat. "

    I see what you did and raise you five more:
    Wikipedia
    Instagram
    Microsoft
    Pintrest
    Youtube
    😉😉

  • SC Matt Saline, MI
    Aug. 14, 2018 5:45 a.m.

    @ Unrepentant:

    "I defy anyone to explain why the likes of these people deserve respect."

    Because every human being deserves respect? Because we're all God's children?

    I don't know. Either of those is a good enough reason for me.

    I respected Obama, even though I thought he was the wrong choice for president each time he was elected. I think his policies were wrong, and would have loved to have a real debate over the real impact of his policies on the poor he was claiming to try to help.

    Arthur C. Brooks was referred to in this Opinion as somebody who champions "going where you're not welcome." He expands on that theme in his book "The Conservative Heart." It's a good read, although you probably won't like it.

    But he, like I, thinks that the proper measure of success for a government program that aids the poor is how many people leave the assistance rolls, not how many new people are added.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    Aug. 13, 2018 5:58 p.m.

    It is said: "conservatives like Milo, Gavin McInnis, Lauren Southern and Candace Owens have been leaders in preserving the first amendment. They deserve the respect of every American that loves the constitution and our country."

    I defy anyone to explain why the likes of these people deserve respect. Oh, they deserve their First Amendment rights for sure. But respect, Bah Humbug. These people named are only in it for the $. They provoke not for thoughtful debate, but to earn a living. Nothing they say or do is in furtherance of preserving the First Amendment. And calling them "conservatives" soils that term.

    There may be other "conservative" thinkers who challenge the dominant paradigms that have met with an audience who does not agree with them. Many like William Buckley in the past used the power of their intellect and language to ask us to rethink issues most often seen from a liberal point of view. They loved the Constitution and their country.

    But Milo, et al. Very poor choices for martyrdom. Very poor indeed.

  • Green Chille Albuquerque, NM
    Aug. 13, 2018 4:07 p.m.

    "Going where you are not wanted" includes the many people who supported the first amendment by going out and risking life and limb in Berkeley, Boston, Portland, and Charlottesville. It includes the many conservatives who have been the victim of leftist hate speech who have been censored by Facebook, Apple, Google, and Snapchat.

    These conservatives like Milo, Gavin McInnis, Lauren Southern and Candace Owens have been leaders in preserving the first amendment. They deserve the respect of every American that loves the constitution and our country.

  • SC Matt Saline, MI
    Aug. 13, 2018 2:25 p.m.

    @Clarkfan:

    "it's a much bigger challenge now to go where you're not welcome to have a respectful discussion."

    That was part of the point made by Arthur C. Brooks. It is in keeping your cool, and trying to have that respectful discussion that you persuade people.

    You might not change the minds of the people you're meeting with. But other people are watching, and some of them will care how you interact with people who are hostile towards you.

    Those with weak arguments might want to just shout and disrupt. This has happened on a bunch of college campuses, to their discredit.

    But even then, being willing to go "into the lion's den" might make a difference.

    Imagine how 2012 might have turned out if Mitt Romney had championed the "47%" in front of a hostile audience that hasn't offered them an economy good enough to allow them to be taxpayers instead of what he did say in front of "true believers" at a fundraiser.

  • J. Smith Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 13, 2018 1:13 p.m.

    Bravo, this country that is split right down the middle must find common ground. I am convinced if there was a constructive open dialogue about our constitution and its protections of all Americans, the environment, guns and many other issues that are of mutual interest to all Americans we can come to a common understanding and find solutions to our differences.

  • HSTucker Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 13, 2018 10:51 a.m.

    "The truth. . . will go forth boldly, nobly and independent."

    DesNews, that's all we ask of you. It's not too late to correct the many errors and omissions.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    Aug. 13, 2018 7:04 a.m.

    clarkfran

    You asked: "I was under the impression that our federal laws have been expanded to cover discrimination toward anyone, or is that they want special rights that counter other people's rights?"

    There are No federal laws protecting the LGBT community from discrimination. There are only spotty state and local laws for that, and they are not uniform.

    I take special exception to your rhetorical question which suggests that the LGBT community is asking for special rights. The only right that the LGBT community is asking for is the same as protections afforded any other minority populations. And please note Minority refers not only to people of color, but also religious minorities, veterans, and the disabled.

    It is politicized elements of the fundamentalist, evangelical Christian community that is asking for special rights. Namely the right to publicly discriminate against a disfavored minority, usually the LGBT one but not exclusively.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 13, 2018 6:46 a.m.

    What some commenters seem to ignore is that the message must be true. Joseph Smith did not teach the philosophies of men; he taught the doctrines of God. Abraham Lincoln stood against the Democrats of his day who rejected his desire to free all people from slavery. They fought him every step of the way. So it is when our President tells us to get off welfare, to earn our keep, to make America Great Again. He Left has fought that for two years. What is their message? What is their vision? Who is their spokesperson? Is it Hillary? The nation rejected her? Is it Obama? The nation rejected his policies. Is it Pelosi? I think not.

    Where is the newspaper that dares tell the truth about the corruption in the FBI? Where is the newspaper that dares expose those in government who have tried to topple a Presidency? Nice editorial, but it has nothing to do with the Deseret News nor has it anything to do with a newspaper having the courage to print the truth.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Aug. 12, 2018 12:51 p.m.

    ""It is time for leaders and citizens to not only “go where they’re not welcome,” but to go where they might be most uncomfortable. "

    2 days ago, the D-News reported that Rob Bishop announced 4 town hall meetings. None of them are anywhere close to his large constituency base in Salt Lake County. He's welcome, he just can't handle the heat.

  • clarkfran Los Angeles, CA
    Aug. 12, 2018 12:31 p.m.

    I agree with this article's premise. However, in these times of hatred, identity politics, and diminishing civility, it's a much bigger challenge now to go where you're not welcome to have a respectful discussion. A lot of people really just want to chant and scream whatever supports their narrative. That just throws gas on the fire. Let's all accept the challenge of being civil with each other no matter where we are.

    The article mentions some policy areas that could use some respectful debate and discussion. One of them is LGBT "rights". Can someone respectfully enlighten me as to exactly which rights are being denied these people? I was under the impression that our federal laws have been expanded to cover discrimination toward anyone, or is that they want special rights that counter other people's rights?

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 12, 2018 9:33 a.m.

    "It is time for leaders and citizens to not only “go where they’re not welcome,” but to go where they might be most uncomfortable. "

    Try being a leftist in the Mormon community to experience discomfort. My dear Mom was an ardent FDR supporter. She spent much of her life defending the Democratic position to her fellow LDS. It was a long rough haul. BTW, she was loyal LDS through and through. Many here, and maybe even you, would deny the possibility.

  • A Scientist Provo, UT
    Aug. 12, 2018 8:50 a.m.

    I have seen people "go where they are not welcome" by standing up in LDS testimony meeting to speak their truth, and be immediately shut down and escorted out.

    So is this a double standard?

    Mormons are called to "go where they aren't welcome", but don't any outsiders go to LDS meetings and conferences?

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Aug. 12, 2018 8:25 a.m.

    "Utah is fortunate to have examples of leaders and organizations willing to engage with those they disagree with, partner with those who may believe differently from them and forge relationships in innovative ways."

    You seem to ignore the fact that Rob Bishop just scheduled 4 town hall meetings. All of them far from the huge constituency in Salt Lake County.