BYU's Zach Wilson impresses in fall camp, takes QB competition in stride; could he become the starter?

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  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Aug. 9, 2018 10:48 a.m.

    why is it a bad thing to not announce the QB?

    If it's Critchlow or Wilson go ahead and announce it - it won't matter in game prep.

    But, it's Mangum or Wilson - one is a pass first guy and the other isn't - why tell them what's coming?

    Personally I wish all QB talk would fade off - the team is bigger than the QB discussion.

  • RememberBYUwinning13of14? Murray, UT
    Aug. 9, 2018 1:00 a.m.

    @ AZUTE1

    Pretty funny how just 2 short years ago you were praising ARod on his coaching and abilities as a coach. Now, he's a faded memory, a has-been coach. Oh, and how's that Division III O-Coordinator working out for you? Yeah another 3-6 Pac10+2 record on the books for 2018. Going to post on every article when the utes lose to UCLA, USC, Arizona and ASU. Good luck finding another O-Cord in 2019.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 8, 2018 9:50 p.m.

    “Even then he wasn't that good of a qb.“

    Sure he was, in spite of his QB coach.....But he had the talent to be a great QB, he just needed a legitimate QB coach.

    But that QB coach he had turned him into a NFL practice squad TE, instead.

    This QB coach? That’s right, byu’s very own—ARod.....Enjoy him.

    Go Utes!

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 8, 2018 9:09 p.m.

    poyman

    Alabama, once again preseason favorite to win the National Championship,

    hasn't announced who their starting QB will be.

    It's still a competition between the QB who lead them to the National Championship game and the QB who replaced the season-long starter, mid-game, and eventually lead the Crimson Tide to a come-from-behind win.

    Frankly, as long as both QBs are getting plenty of reps, it really doesn't matter whether the coaches name a starter now or just before the first game, in fact, it might be an advantage to keep Arizona guessing and force them to prepare to two QBs with different strengths.

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    Aug. 8, 2018 8:58 p.m.

    utemythology

    "Why are YOU so obsessed with PAC-12 standings?"

    Why are YOU so embarrassed to have Utah's actual finish in the PAC 12 standings posted?

    It's not a "subset" of the season; your final standing in the conference is THE entire point of being a member of the PAC 12.

    Despite your false and misleading spin, Utah finished with the 9th WORST conference record and the 5th WORST division record (for the 4th time in 7 seasons)

    PAC 12 Conference Records 2017
    1 USC 8-1
    2 Stan 7-2
    2 Wash 7-2
    4 ASU 6-3
    4 WSU 6-3
    6 Ariz 5-4
    7 Ore 4-5
    7 UCLA 4-5
    9 Utah 3-6
    10 Cal 2-7
    10 Col 2-7
    12 OSU 0-9

    PAC South Standing 2017
    1 USC 8-1
    2 ASU 6-3
    3 Ariz 5-4
    4 UCLA 4-5
    5 Utah 3-6
    6 Col 2-7

    Years from now when fans look back on the 2017, absolutely NOBODY, except delusional Utah fans, will even look at Sagarin's rankings.

    The ONLY rankings they'll care about are the AP and Coaches polls, and the final conference standings.

    In 7 seasons in the PAC 12, you have a losing 28-35 conference record.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Aug. 8, 2018 8:17 p.m.

    @vasislos

    "...just because you are not told what the coaches know does not mean they have not made decisions and choices... But some coaches don't feel a need to run all their decisions through the media or to bring you into the loop."

    ***

    Whether I am told or not makes little to no difference... The fact that the BYU friendly media doesn't know (after watching most if not all of the practices) probably represents a high likelihood that the players don't know and that the anointed starter (if there is one) doesn't know... and that is the point (or the problem)... Wit h 15 practices to go the team should have a leader on the "O side" of the field and that person should be the QB... and today it doesn't appear that that person knows... and that is a problem...

    When one is f-i-n-a-l-l-y picked it won't be announced... those who follow the reps will know (the players and the media), and once they know, then we all will know.

    BTW, picking a QB (which has got to happen soon anyway) does not mean that they are running their decisions past you, or me, or any other fan/writer. It simply means that Roderick and Grimes finally made a decision that is long past due.

    Like it or don't.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Aug. 8, 2018 6:40 p.m.

    "I think a good article would be about the plans for those QBs who are unlikely to ever get the starting nod at BYU. Are they going to switch positions? Will they accept the situation and be happy to just meet their goal of getting a college degree? Will they feel that they are starter material and transfer out for a better opportunity?"

    8 QBs.

    1 senior in a fight for starter.
    1 junior already being a running back
    2 sophmores, one will be #3 probably throughout his career
    4 freshmen, 2 of which have huge potential.

    One of those 3 will be the scout team leader. one will be a receiver, and the other will likely do something else on offense or to take a note from Whittingham he might be on defense.

    But the ones moving positions are a sophomore and 2 freshmen - kind of early to tell them "boy, your dreams are crushed, find something else". They will or they'll be asked given time.

    it really isn't an 8 person race, it might have been at one point, it's really a 2 man competition (Wilson and Mangum) with 2 more in the wings (Hall and Critchlow). Tanner is gone after this season and Hall is rapidly getting his arm back.

    Some of these news stories don't make for good football.

  • vasislos Holbrook, AZ
    Aug. 8, 2018 5:07 p.m.

    There are 7 - 8 QBs on the roster. With some good talent in the pipeline. Only one senior. A lot of competition.

    I think a good article would be about the plans for those QBs who are unlikely to ever get the starting nod at BYU. Are they going to switch positions? Will they accept the situation and be happy to just meet their goal of getting a college degree? Will they feel that they are starter material and transfer out for a better opportunity?

    If Wilson is indeed named the starter, it is likely he will be so for four years. What will the others do?

    poyman - Lincoln City, OR

    Just because you are not told what the coaches know does not mean they have not made decisions and choices. I agree that at some point the starters need to be named. I think the inability to identify the starting WRs last year hurt. But some coaches don't feel a need to run all their decisions through the media or to bring you into the loop.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Aug. 8, 2018 4:49 p.m.

    I'm starting to lose confidence in Grimes before the season even starts.

    There are about 15 practices before we go to Tucson to play AZ and we still don't know who the starting QB is going to be, or who the starting Center is, or who the starting RB is, or who the starting TE is, or who the 5 starting OL's will be.

    I feel sorry for whoever the starting QB is because the OC is not presently showing much confidence in him... Leadership is probably one of the strongest characteristics that you would normally look for in a QB, along with Decision making, Mobility, Arm strength, and Accuracy. The first two characteristics are suffering big time right now because our Offensive Coaching Staff can't make a decision on who the starting QB should be and as a result they are demonstrating to the team a big lack of Leadership... But no hurry Grimes... there is still 23 days to the first game and I believe it's a night game which could buy you a few more hours.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 8, 2018 4:29 p.m.

    Aunty Mythology - Monrovia, CA
    Aug. 8, 2018 12:30 p.m.
    PAC 12 Conference Records 2017

    1 USC 8-1
    2 Stan 7-2
    2 Wash 7-2
    4 ASU 6-3
    4 WSU 6-3
    6 Ariz 5-4
    7 Ore 4-5
    7 UCLA 4-5
    9 Utah 3-6
    10 Cal 2-7
    10 Col 2-7
    12 OSU 0-9

    ------

    Why are YOU so obsessed with PAC-12 standings? You are aware it's a subset (9 games) of national standings (13+ games)?

    2017 National Standings:

    1 USC #12 (AP)
    2 Washington #16
    3 Stanford #20
    4 Utah #35 (Sagarin)

    In 2015 USC 8-6 was #2 in PAC-12, but more importantly:

    2015 National Standings

    1 Stanford #3
    2 Utah #17
    3 Oregon #19

    I get it, you get warm fuzzies with Utah's P12 struggles so you ignore the fact that Utah is still a Top 25 P12 program.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Aug. 8, 2018 3:24 p.m.

    I'm still convinced that our best QBs are both freshmen. I'm also convinced that Critchlow will be #3 for the next several years, and he's a good #3 and a good player.

    CF is changing, more freshmen are playing in games.

    However, BYU's schedule doesn't work that way.

    Compare BYU to Utah, Utah starts (usually) with BYU (which Ute fans say what they will but it's always a brutal game) and 2 cupcakes. Tuttle has 4 redshirt games, why not put him in for the 4th quarter on the Weber state game. Meanwhile BYU will have 4 games with their hands full and by the time McNassy HS comes to town there might be injuries that have changed the QB rotation anyway. Unless we're doing it wrong it should be late in the season when we see Hall and Wilson (unless Wilson starts or Mangum get's injured).

    So while a lot of large schools start a freshman, G5 or indy schools only do so at the sacrifice of the first few games.

    I'd like to see Wilson and Hall take off that green jersey and face guys who really want to hurt them at the smaller teams BYU plays this season. Mangum does lose his cool sometimes, see if he's got his mojo back, he's battle tested, I think he starts if the OL is fixed.

  • Gruncle Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 8, 2018 1:14 p.m.

    @floyd johnson

    Starting a freshman quarterback week 1 is a mistake. First two games are Arizona... in front of a top D line...It isn't just about physical ability and football IQ. There are confidence...The kid isn't going to sleep the night before Arizona

    --------------------

    QB is a position where you don’t want fragile snowflakes or guys whose dawg is a poodle or chihuahua to be your starting QB. You want a guy whose dawg is a Rottweiler or a Pit Bull as your QB. You want QBs who want to be challenged and are determined to rise above whatever adversity they face. Those are guys that the rest of the team will rally behind and follow.

    There’s nothing wrong with a little failure, it serves as a great motivator and a little failure early on pays huge dividends down the road. Failure isn’t the opposite of success, its part of it. Often times it’s the steps you take just before you reach success. Experiencing a little failure early on can be a good thing to a truly competitive person. It leaves a bitter taste in their mouth that they never forget and it stays in their mind as a reminder, pushing and motivating them, forging a new determination to never taste it again.

  • Aunty Mythology Monrovia, CA
    Aug. 8, 2018 12:30 p.m.

    PAC 12 Conference Records 2017

    1 USC 8-1
    2 Stan 7-2
    2 Wash 7-2
    4 ASU 6-3
    4 WSU 6-3
    6 Ariz 5-4
    7 Ore 4-5
    7 UCLA 4-5
    9 Utah 3-6
    10 Cal 2-7
    10 Col 2-7
    12 OSU 0-9

  • search diligently Lehi, UT
    Aug. 8, 2018 12:24 p.m.

    I want to see Zach play. None of this nonsense about waiting a year or two. Mangum gets far too panicked when under pressure. Give Zach a chance. Start him.

  • Aunty Mythology Monrovia, CA
    Aug. 8, 2018 12:13 p.m.

    Sooner Ute

    “Last place Utah" finished #36 in the final Sagarin poll.”

    Utah finished 5th in the PAC South and 9th in the PAC 12, not quite last, but certainly nothing to beat your chest about.

    Sagarin rankings are completely irrelevant in regards to PAC 12 standings.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 8, 2018 11:50 a.m.

    BlueHusky "last place Utah who played somebody but I didn't bother to watch."

    "Last place Utah" finished #36 in the final Sagarin poll. Jeff must have some sort of "West Coast bias" in his calculations to place those terrible Utes so high. That would also explain how a historic BYU team got their high #112 ranking. Everyone knows #113 Samford University of Alabama was the better team, but... west coast bias.

  • Floyd Johnson Broken Arrow, OK
    Aug. 8, 2018 9:49 a.m.

    Just laughed at myself. I was under the impression that Wilson was African American.

    Starting a freshman quarterback week 1 is a mistake. First two games are Arizona, so the first snap of the season will be from an inexperienced center in front of a top D line. Even odds that BYU fans will be booing during the Cal game. BYU has other QBs available to lose those games. Early losses/injuries will be detrimental to the development of a QB who's only experience has been winning.

    It isn't just about physical ability and football IQ. There are confidence, momentum and logistics components to college football. The kid isn't going to sleep the night before Arizona, let him learn how his equipment gets from campus to the stadium, sit through pre-game meetings, eat meals with the team, hold a clipboard, watch how coaches react to errors and learn the system. He can play his four games later in the year (to preserve a red shirt) and avoid having the fans turn against him. If he is made the starter game 1, fan expectations will be too high. Coaches need to set him up to replace the injured starter against softer competition, that is a better position for a freshman.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Aug. 8, 2018 9:39 a.m.

    I agree with Water Rocket - I prefer to see a quarterback hold a clipboard for awhile, but that is a bygone era. If QBs don't play right away, they transfer.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Aug. 8, 2018 8:42 a.m.

    @utebusters

    "That’s why Utah’s offense is always so pathetic that they have a revolving door at OC."

    Maybe you can remind us which team has a new OC this season and which one doesn't...

  • hi-ya Murray, UT
    Aug. 8, 2018 8:24 a.m.

    Where Zach originally signed with Boise, BYU has got to get on top of the recruitment ball, especially for in state players and control the recruitment therein, especially for LDS players. BYU is the place to go for LDS players, NOT UTAH. The only LDS part of the Utah Campus is when you cross over the road to the Seminaries, outside of that, the Campus is about as None LDS as you get. So an LDS kid, who wants an LDS environment, BYU should be right on top of that recruitment.

  • KimmyP Grantsville, UT
    Aug. 8, 2018 8:12 a.m.

    @ bluehusky aka spaceneedle...

    We all know you watched every minute of Utah's bowl game with the hope they would lose, so you could troll a bit more, right?

    And, since you asked a question regarding how other teams fared in bowl games last year... remind us how the cougs did in theirs. I'll believe you if you say you didn't bother watching that one. 😹

  • Superk Brigham City, UT
    Aug. 8, 2018 7:43 a.m.

    Wilson needs a year to put in good weight and gain the confidence of his teammates .

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 8, 2018 7:30 a.m.

    From what I'm reading; it sounds like Wilson will get the nod. Good for him; pretty impressive for a true Freshman.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Aug. 8, 2018 5:44 a.m.

    @Simplicity

    Seriously dude? Real teams? Like Colorado or CSU? Utah?

    Anyway, BYU plays real teams again this year. How did the "real" PAC12 do in their bowl games last year? Hmmm. Lost them all except for last place Utah who played somebody but I didn't bother to watch. Since 10 of the 12 PAC12 teams lost their bowl games, they must not be very real either.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 8, 2018 5:43 a.m.

    Didn't we just read an article that said Critchlow is the next great QB?

    How so if he's holding a clipboard on the sidelines?

    Maybe BYU is loaded with talent, Wilson is the next HOF QB.

  • cowboy99 South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 8, 2018 12:59 a.m.

    From the clips they're showing, Wilson has excellent throwing mechanics while Mangum's look pretty bad. He drops his elbow every time puts too much effort into spinning the ball kind of like that Wilson guy who played qb at the U a while back. Difference is that Utah's Wilson was a 6'7" monster and Mangum is not. Even then he wasn't that good of a qb. Mangum's passes will come out at a low trajectory and will lack velocity and will struggle hitting wr's on the sideline. Lots of knock downs and interceptions are likely.

    Unless Mangum's poise and command of the offense is heads and shoulders above the other guys, I just don't see him starting.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Aug. 8, 2018 12:44 a.m.

    Coach has said more than once that the best QB will be the starter. I'll take him at his word. So we can be assured that whoever is chosen to start, will be the best QB, whether he is a freshman, sophomore or senior.

  • Cougarbib2 Moorpark, CA
    Aug. 8, 2018 12:01 a.m.

    It is rare most places and certainly at BYU in recent history that the same QB starts every game all season. Odds are simply against that happening.

    Also - foolish to read too much into coach comments about players week 1 of Fall camp. Last week Lamb was touting Critchlow as destined to become one of rhe greats at BYU. This week, reporters counting reps speculate that he is battling Hall for 3rd string.

    We will have a good idea what we have got when the boys take the field in Tucson.

    Then, and only then, will I know how excited to get about our home opener vs CAL.

  • uteBusters Park City, UT
    Aug. 7, 2018 11:30 p.m.

    Simpleton

    The Utes don’t do any better at protecting their QB’s against real teams than BYU.

    That’s why Utah’s offense is always so pathetic that they have a revolving door at OC.

  • CO Ute Chandler, AZ
    Aug. 7, 2018 11:14 p.m.

    The fact that there is a QB competition between an 18 year old true freshman and a 25 (?) year old senior tells you either the young kid is really good or the senior isn’t very impressive.

    Still will be very surprised if Mangum is the starter in the first game.

  • SIMPLICITY Denver, CO
    Aug. 7, 2018 10:38 p.m.

    Byu's schedule is front loaded and they are way overmatched. Due to the abuse the offensive line and quarterbacks are bound to absorb, Zack Wilson will get his chance to play and start.

    What happened last year with Byu and their quarterbacks?? They all played and got their chance. The Cougies can't protect their QB when they are playing real teams. So Zack will play and he will start unless the coaches are dead set on a redshirt year for him.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Aug. 7, 2018 10:36 p.m.

    @False Ute,

    Some folks need a job and have too much time on their hands.

    The best football players are the hardest working.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Aug. 7, 2018 9:30 p.m.

    The player giving the Cougs the best chance to win will be the starter. Kalani doesn't have time to throw away a season by sitting the best QB.

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    Aug. 7, 2018 9:29 p.m.

    Kids coming out of high school these days are way ahead of the pace that was in effect two, three and four decades ago. Wilson is the real deal and it shouldn't matter how old or how young a guy is for this position. He's a gamer whether he plays this year or next. But, he'll get some game experience this year before all is said and done.

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    Aug. 7, 2018 9:22 p.m.

    Detmer played as a freshman and started as sophomore if I remember right.

  • Real Ute Dallas, TX
    Aug. 7, 2018 9:10 p.m.

    Zach Wilson is a "true" find. Nick Saban mentioned yesterday that his Alabama defense is keeping careful notes daily, practicing hard preparing for the electric BYU offense led by Wilson that they will face in the CF playoffs.

  • water rocket Magna, UT
    Aug. 7, 2018 6:41 p.m.

    I am impressed with Wilson, but I still like the way Edwards developed his QB's by not playing them until they were at least a junior. In Wilson's case, he would likely be a shoo-in to be a starter next year.