All of you who say "Get the government out of my life"The
government acts as a counterbalance to the darker side of capitalism. Real capitalism wouldn't force companies to provide breaks or healthcare
or any safety protections. We would be working longer hours with no benefits.The government isn't perfect but it isn't the enemy.
How did we get the 40 hour workweek? A two day weekend?How did we ensure a
safe workplace? No child laborers? It's when the people banded
together in unions and pushed for it.Corporations aren't going
to look out for you and your family. They care about money. They don't care
about your child with cancer or mother in a nursing home. If you want social
change you have to vote it in.
@Tryor "The role of government is to protect the rights of its citizens --
not to force mandates on employers or to raise taxes on everyone to create a
safety net." Carnegie's men got one day off per year.
That's what unchecked employer power gets you. You want that?
Government policies should not be created based on sympathy for people's
circumstances. The role of government is to protect the rights of its citizens
-- not to force mandates on employers or to raise taxes on everyone to create a
safety net. If people want to have children, that's up to them and
that's fine. I've had five. They are a blessing. But coping with
life is part of the sacrifice you make in having children. But making others
pay for it is not fair.
Wow. Such generous folks. But I'm confused. Politicians can spend lots of
money on silly things like special phone rooms and expensive furniture for their
offices and private jets to take them wherever their hearts desire, they can
find money to pay for the Secret Service to rent golf carts on Trump's many
many golf vacations (and those little vacations cost us taxpayers $3 million per
weekend I heard somewhere) and no one complains. Give the very rich and big
corporations a major tax cut and spend millions separating children from their
parents and then losing them, but heaven forbid that families who don't
have special privileges like those running our government have, and lots of
people are outraged. People of faith should be finding ways to strengthen
families because they know that families are the foundation of a good society.
But we seem to have a society that believes only the rich and powerful deserve
to get any help from the government - which shows what our values really are.
If you want a laugh, compare the comments here ("why won't people with
children pay for those kids themselves!") to the comments on any article
talking about dropping fertility rates ("we need more babies to support the
economy!").The fertility/economy problem leads directly to more
government subsidies for having children. Don't want the government to
make it easier to have a kid? Then you need to speak up (or speak up a lot
louder) when people talk about folks *not* having kids is bad for the nation.
And please note, that's not a moral command, it's a practical one.
Things like this (mandatoyr paid maternity leave) is a consequence of the
perceived fertility problem. So if you don't want to hear things like
this, you have to attack that perception first.If you don't do
that, and the perception of there being a fertility problem continues to grow?
Then the government will continue to look for, and eventually pass, more ways to
encourage folks to have children.
Gotta love the religious folks...They get tax free property with
full benefits of police, fire, etc. They get tax breaks for each of
their bumbles of joy that the rest of us get to make up for their breaks.They don't have to pay for the schooling of their children, we get
to pick up the slack.People that want large families would be able
to take off several months every year or so, and get paid for that time off.
That means the employer loses money and other employees don't get raises to
help cover the cost of baby farming.People that have children demand
"day care" coverage from the government and their employers. Again,
those costs have to be made up by people that don't use that
"benefit."When do these people have to start thinking about
THEIR cost of owning children as part of their financial and life planning?If all these Christians and their churches want all these benefits for
people having children, when do they and their church start paying for the costs
We don't want to put small business owners out of business. They are part
of the backbone of America. Leave should be limited to 8 weeks to not create
hardship on businesses and gov't. Let people take out of their social
@GrainOfSalt – “
nefarious way to get an oppressive agenda
passed.”I’m trying to wrap my head around exactly what
is “nefarious” about mothers & fathers being able to spend time
with a newborn. How to pay for it is a different issue.The
Republican proposal is laughably non-sequitur – it’s like saying
“we’ll provide medical care when you’re old if you can get
your kids to skip 1st grade.”
By definition, "people of faith" act on their emotions rather than their
education or intellect. Big hearts vs. big brains always leads to poor
We give sick days, personal days, vacations day some get a month. When does it
end?Single people get no family leave time, but married get family
leave time?Farmers can't take family leave time. The crops
will die. Stay at home mother can't take family leave time,
the family would come apart. There is no free lunch. Venezuela
tried this. Now it's all family time and no food.
@ Mind BaggageWow. Thanks for helping me to feel more comfortable
about all this. I guess I'll be okay after all. Perhaps after
the government mandates that my customers stay with me, they can also mandate
that my customers have to purchase my goods and services and a specific rate so
as to provide me with an assured income at a level that will support my family
-- a living wage, so to speak -- regardless of the quality of the product and
the effort, or lack thereof, to provide that product.You nailed it
with that idea. I'm not worried at all anymore. The government will take
care of me.I'm so at peace now. Thanks.
"'The conversation about federal policy is oriented around money. Where
is the money going to come from? How much will this policy cost? We'd love
Christians to bring the moral and ethical and humanizing part of the
conversation into focus and ask what a flourishing society looks like,'
said Katelyn Beaty, one of the report's co-authors."How
odd. Does she not know that the reason the current conversation is fixated on
money is because we've already agreed on the moral/ethical/humanizing part?
@Exercise4HealthYou don't need to worry about this at all. Take
the family leave. Because after the gov't passes the Family Leave law, they
will follow up with the "Business Retention & Success Act," which
will mandate that all your customers must continue to use your services in your
absence.You see? Problem fixed, compliments of Uncle Sam.BTW, DN....Papua New Guinea is most definitely not an industrialized nation.
I am a huge supporter of paid family leave - with individual companies. I think
the government can give tax incentives, but should not require it. Companies who
voluntarily offer paid family leave will be rewarded by having happier
workforces and better employee retention. Those who don't will go without
those benefits.My biggest concern with the government forcing paid family
leave will cause workplace discrimination or it will put companies out of
business - most likely both. I'm thinking of small companies - less than 50
or even less than 25 employees. In a small business you don't have backups
for most jobs - when somebody is out there job doesn't get done until
they're back and nobody else knows how to do it. The company cannot survive
a key employee being out and getting paid for a couple months. So, when they
hire for that position and a young married woman - or a woman who is already
expecting - walks in for an interview right or wrong, that business owner
already expects they have months of salary to pay for no work. Even if it's
sub-consciously there will be discrimination. How widespread? I don't know,
but it will happen.
How about we get government out of our business and our lives!
As is typical with "progressive" issues like this, we start the article
with an example of how wonderful the entitlement is and how it so wondrously
helps families and children and how people just can't make it without this
wondrous wonderfulness.You know what? I would love to take three or
four months off work with full pay like this professor did. What a wonderful
thing that would be for my family and me and our bonding. But guess what?
I'm a small businessman and if I take three or four months off work I not
only take a 25-33% cut in pay, I lose much of the business that I have worked so
hard for, as my customers go elsewhere in my absence and more than likely never
come back. So not only do I take a financial hit, my business might as well be
shuttered permanently for all the business I would lose. If a
business has means to provide paid time off, I'm all for it. Nice benefit
if you can get it. However, the government has no business mandating such a
benefit, even for large business. And the government has absolutely no business
providing such a benefit on the backs of the taxpayers. Government workers
supping at the government trough is a feast enough as it is.
People of faith should be opposed to any law forcing employers to pay for paid
leave. People of faith should equal People for personal responsibility.
I'm not sure the article answered the question it raised in the title.
I'm still left wondering Why "People of Faith" (as opposed to
non-believers?) are "speaking up" and yet:"Religious
Americans are actually less likely than the average American to support paid
family leave, according to Pew Research Center..."Doesn't
sound like a movement or anything. In fact, it sounds like "people of
faith" in general are NOT speaking up on this topic! But a few people are
speaking up and trying to make it a religious-political issue.That's not news.
Religion has a habit of sticking its nose into everything.
We need to get the government out of telling businesses what to do when it comes
to things like this. Covering government dictates in a religious cloak is a
subtle but nefarious way to get an oppressive agenda passed. Paid family leave
has become a staple at many businesses without the government's help, and
that's fine, too. But we don't need to pass a law to force every good
idea on everyone else. This is not freedom. Ironically, you are using religion
to advocate limiting other people's freedom.