In a change, Trump says meeting's purpose was Clinton info

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  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Aug. 9, 2018 3:18 p.m.

    @worf - Aug. 5, 2018 6:06 p.m.
    Opinions created from faulty and bias news reporting.

    Foolish mice keep following the pied piper.

    ---------------

    In a way you're right. The "faulty and bias news reporting" came from the fake news and propaganda sites like FoxNews, Drudge, WMD, NewsMax, etc.

    The foolish mice indeed keep following the pied pipers, who are trump, fake news sites (FoxNews, Drudge, WMD, NewsMax, etc), and his minions.

  • mez Denver, CO
    Aug. 8, 2018 10:23 p.m.

    CMO--Not even at all. Steele, a former British (our ally) Intelligence official was hired to spy against Russia to obtain information Russia wanted to keep secret. Trump's son met with Russians to receive information Russia ( our enemy) wanted to give him
    to hurt Clinton and help Trump get elected. Free information from an enemy is very costly.
    Hire an ally instead.

  • CMO Beaver Beaver, UT
    Aug. 8, 2018 9:48 a.m.

    just like Clinton paying millions for the Steele dossier on Trump.... guess we are even

  • mez Denver, CO
    Aug. 7, 2018 10:34 p.m.

    PP--Facts are not hard to know because journalists in the press work hard to clarify them for the public to read. WGirl is correct.

  • wgirl Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 7, 2018 1:11 p.m.

    @PP

    I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.

    June 3rd, 2016: Don Jr. gets an email with an invitation to meet with a Russian government lawyer who claims to have dirt on Hillary Clinton. Don Jr replies, "I love it!" and the meeting is scheduled.

    June 7th, 2016: Donald Trump tweets that he will "soon" deliver a speech to discuss "all the things that have taken place with the Clintons."

    June 9th, 2016: Manafort, Don Jr., Kushner and others meet with the Russians in Trump Tower. Trump lied about it at first...but tweeted a confession this week.

    July 2016: Trump says, "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you are able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing." He goes on to say that they will be "rewarded mightily" if they do.

    Russia hacked servers in the U.S. that same night.

    To me, that is him asking Russia for help. He is asking a hostile foreign power to engage in criminal activity against a fellow American. Yes, he did it at a political rally.

    Giving a speech in a country is much different than working for that country.

    Trump is hiding his taxes for a reason.

    Trump associates with a lot of criminals...he hired them.

    History will be the judge.

  • PP Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 7, 2018 12:14 p.m.

    wgirl-Still not seeing any facts in your post.
    1-What you are describing is not "asking for help. It's Trump pointing out the criminal activity of the Clinton campaign. Do you actually think he would "ask the Russians for help" at a political rally?
    2-Is it against the law to do business in Russia? 10 years before Trump even thought about running for president? Just checking because Clinton was "paid" 500K for giving a 1/2 hour talk in Moscow.
    3-Trump has never lied about meeting with Russians.
    4-Who Cares. Not a requirement.
    5-Not one of the people you mentioned pled guilty to anything connected to Russia. And Manafort is not being charged with anything related to Russia.

    UtahGirl-Don Jr never lied to Hanity. Where do you even get that from? What's in this article as "new" is over a year old.

    Joe-Money through the NRA? Really? And you want me to accept your statements as factual? So far every news story and congressional investigation has found that Russian meddling did not affect the election.


    All-Facts are tough things sometimes. When I share my opinion I make sure that people know it's my opinion. It's OK to have an opinion, just don't present your opinion as fact.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Aug. 7, 2018 10:21 a.m.

    t rump is becoming more and more desperate as Mueller's investigation and trials of his former gang associates dredge up more slime from the bottom of the swamp.

    It's actually amusing to watch. But it's frightening at the same time.

    I don't think it's at all far-fetched to worry that when he is finally indicted, impeached or whatever that he may put out a call to his "2nd Amendment friends" (as he called them during the campaign) and incite them to armed insurrection.

    The man is dangerous.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 7, 2018 7:25 a.m.

    The Donald wrongly tried to suppress and hush this as an adoption meeting even-though they were emailing about it. His lawyer will prove he knew about it. The Helsinki press conference has cemented the Russian connection.

  • mez Denver, CO
    Aug. 6, 2018 11:21 p.m.

    This is too far gone. How did we get to this point and how much further will we go?
    Years ago, it was inconceivable that an American candidate
    for POTUS would think, let alone consider it okay, to obtain help from Russia against the other American candidate . Hatred is blinding. Republicans generations ago would be stunned at what has happened to common sense in the GOP.
    I recently saw a photo of two Trump supporters at a rally sporting T-shirts reading, " I'd rather be Russian than Democrat." How shameful and unpatriotic. Putin is better than Hillary. Really?? Hatred for Hillary and/or Democrats is still spreading like cancer across this country--and she's not even President. This is crazy nuts. It's cutting off your nose to spite your face.

  • wgirl Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 6, 2018 8:59 p.m.

    @PP:

    You say I am not stating facts? That "every bullet point" was "untrue?"

    Let's see...

    1. Trump did ask for Russia's help on national TV in July of 2016. "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing." That same night Russia attempted to hack into Clinton's email.

    2. Trump hired Paul Manafort to be his campaign manager. Manafort was working for Russain backed Ukrainian Victor Yanukovych. Trump also hired Carter Page, who described himself this way, "I have had the priviledge to serve as an informal advisor to the staff at the Kremilin."

    3. The Trump campaign did meet with Russians and then lie about it. The June 2016 Trump Tower meeting, for one. During the transition Kushner and Mike Flynn met with the Russian ambassador to try to set up a secret "direct line" to Russia, a back channel our intelligence agencies would be unaware of. Kushner also met with Russian bankers during the transition, then "forgot" to report those meetings on his security forms.

    4. Trump did not release his taxes.

    5. Rick Gates, Mike Flynn, and George Papadopoulos. All part of Trump's campaign. All plead guilty in the investigation.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 6, 2018 6:16 p.m.

    @ PP

    "Utah Girl Chronicles - your comment about Hanity is hilarious. This "article" is almost word for word what Hanity has been reporting for a year. You know what Hanity is going to say tomorrow? "Told you so".

    The fact Trump Jr. lied to Hannity about the purpose of the Trump Tower meeting is no surprise and Hannity certainly would love to have him as a future guest.

    Hannity will bear no ill will about his program being used by Trump Jr. to float a big lie. Lying is what Trumps do and Hannity loves being a vehicle to project those lies.

    Access to power is Hannity's main opiate. Those in power can float their talking points, no questions of substance asked.

  • Sportsfan123 Herriman, UT
    Aug. 6, 2018 2:44 p.m.

    This story has been spunn over and over again, one thing this article does not point out is that don jr. Stated publically they agreed to this meeting with the russian lawyer because the lawyer originally said they had dirt on hillary. When the meeting occurred the russian wanted to discuss other issues not related to the campaign, when it was clear the lawyer had nothing they ended the meeting.

    Also don jr has turned over all communications regarding this meeting, emails...etc to the fbi.
    Nothing was amiss then so why would be now.

    Devin Nunes has also publically stated that this russian lawyer met with fusion gps before and after the meeting, the same fusion gps that came up with the fake steele dossier.

    This whole story is fake news spin, propaganda.

  • pwlohse Dueren, 00
    Aug. 6, 2018 2:28 p.m.

    The change means that Trump lied the first time around.

  • AC_68 Provo, UT
    Aug. 6, 2018 1:20 p.m.

    Hear Hear President Trump! "The Fake News hates me saying that they are the Enemy of the People only because they know it's TRUE. I am providing a great service by explaining this to the American People. They purposely cause great division & distrust. They can also cause War! They are very dangerous & sick!"

    This is quite a time to be alive! Now more than ever, check the sources of your news stories, check the dates, everything. "Anonymous sources said..." just doesn't cut it anymore. You can find ANY angle to any story anymore...this is the age of Internet. New technology replaces yesterday's ways.

  • kolob1 Sandy, UT
    Aug. 6, 2018 1:04 p.m.

    Trump's selfserving statement that the Trump Tower meeting was legal is offset by his statement "I did not know about it". If the meeting was above board and legal why does he disclaim his knowledge of it? As big a braggert that Trump is if the meeting had been totally legal he would have bragged about his stable genius and his setting up the meeting in the first place! If the meeting had been legal Trump would have taken ownership of the hacking in the first place. Instead of him claiming "crooked Hillary" he would be claiming "stupid Hillary".

    If you take credit for a spoken statement it rules you, for an unknown statement you rule it"
    Muslim Proverb for keep your mouth shut

  • Joe Leaphorn Scottsdale, AZ
    Aug. 6, 2018 12:26 p.m.

    PP - Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 6, 2018 11:40 a.m.

    "Fun Fact - if you're a candidate, and a seemingly legit source offers you dirt on your opponent - you are derelict if you don't at least check it out."

    Fun? No.

    Here's the fact. Conspiring with a hostile foreign government, or any government for that matter, is illegal under United States law. But when did Donald Trump ever let the law, or good sense, stand in his way. Perhaps you should learn U.S. election law and you might see that having a foreign government messing with our election process is wrong. That is, unless it is to help your candidate?

    Trump needs the Russians. He needed them and their hacking skills to keep Hillary Clinton's email issues front-and-center, along with the social media onslaught that turned Bernie people off from Clinton and helped him win the battleground states that gave him an Electoral College victory.

    Propaganda is one thing, but funneling money through the NRA and actively involving Russian players in the election is a violation of law. But Trump wants to keep Russian interference because it's the only way he can win in 2020. If he can't cheat, he can't win.

    Russia is not a "legit" source.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Aug. 6, 2018 12:06 p.m.

    Hey Clarkfran -

    Re: "This is the best laugh I've had in weeks. Who says CNN and MSNBC viewers don't have a sense of humor?!"

    . . . Probably the same people who say Trump supporters have intelligence, good sense, and patriotism.

    Ha! Laughter is good!

  • PP Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 6, 2018 11:40 a.m.

    Utah Girl Chronicles - your comment about Hanity is hilarious. This "article" is almost word for word what Hanity has been reporting for a year. You know what Hanity is going to say tomorrow? "Told you so".

    This is not new - and it's not criminal - treasonous - collusion - conspiracy - ill considered - salacious or any other negative pejorative you can attach to it. It's almost as embarrassingly pathetic for the media to report on as the "binders full of women" the previous election.

    For all the regular posters getting excited about this - you want to get excited and that's it. In you heart of hearts you know this is a non story.

    Fun Fact - if you're a candidate, and a seemingly legit source offers you dirt on your opponent - you are derelict if you don't at least check it out.

    wgirl - do you realize that literally everything you wrote in your post - and I am using literally in the proper sense - is not true. Veritably not true. Every bullet point is inaccurate. The Steel dossier was commissioned and paid for by Clinton and then used by the Obama administration and the FBI to illegally obtain a FISA warrant. That is verifiable. Please for your own sake - stick to facts.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Aug. 6, 2018 11:30 a.m.

    Why take anything Trump says at face value when he changes his story every day?

  • jeclar2006 Oceanside, CA
    Aug. 6, 2018 11:20 a.m.

    Frozen Fractals - Salt Lake City, UT
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    Now we're at the point where they admit they're colluding but just argue that collusion isn't a crime.

    Mueller can now indict Don Jr. on perjury charges.
    ---

    It would seem that Trump is throwing Junior under the bus. I don't expect any form of censure from Congress on this. The Republicans are chained to Trump, and don't seem remotely inclined to break away.

    I'd say that this could be the point where the Republicans reinvent themselves, but given that 40% of Utah Republicans voted for Trump, as an example of a 'red' dominated state, I don't expect they will see the error of their ways any time soon. As long as Utah can have Bear Ears cropped, pollution limits relaxed or eliminated, and of course the ever popular Roe v. Wade overturned, they have no interest in calling Trump to account, and their representatives are too worried about their position to do the right thing.

  • jeclar2006 Oceanside, CA
    Aug. 6, 2018 11:10 a.m.

    RedRockUte - St George, UT
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    Collusion is a synonym for conspiracy, that this is what conspiracy looks like.
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    "Collusion" does have a legal definition, and was used in such situations as 'divorce'. Before 'no fault" divorce, couples would have to to 'justify' divorcing based on say 'adultery'.

    If no 'adultery' actually occurred but the couple agreed that one would take the 'fall', that spouse would state they had committed adultery, and the divorce could proceed.

    In the case of business, 'collusion' is defined as engaging in some illegal activity for advantage or gain.

    If the Russians had material 'stolen' from computer systems used/owned by the Democratic party, the Trump Campaign personnel who requested or obtained by such means, any information, they would be 'receiving stolen goods', and the purpose of the stolen goods was to gain some advantage.

    Asking for illegal activity to be performed on one's behalf, receiving the stolen goods, are crimes, and most crimes also have the concept of 'conspiracy to commit a criminal act', as a chargeable offense, regardless of whether the crime discussed is executed or not.

  • RiDal Sandy, UT
    Aug. 6, 2018 10:48 a.m.

    Someone calls you and says they have dirt on Hillary. So you say "Ok..I will listen to what you've got."
    I don't see how that can be considered illegal or even unethical; even if the person is a Russian.
    Receiving information can't possibly be a crime. The speaker has a right to free speech, and the listener has a right to hear.
    It is not as if Trump actually funded a Russian research firm to create a dossier on his opponents.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Aug. 6, 2018 10:46 a.m.

    Hey Clarkfran -

    Re: "This is the best laugh I've had in weeks. Who says CNN and MSNBC viewers don't have a sense of humor?!"

    . . . Probably the same people who say Trump supporters have intelligence, good sense, and patriotism.

    Ha! Laughter is good!

  • NeifyT Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 6, 2018 10:47 a.m.

    I don't understand the headline or many of the commentators here. This is not new; that was known about 18+ months ago.

    The media seems to cherry pick Trump's statements; yes, he at one time said the meeting was about adoption (and so likely it included that); but he and his son had both also already acknowledged well over a year ago that his son got invited by a Russian lawyer to meet to talk about the dirt the lawyer had on Clinton. A naive move by his son for sure; but this is not new news; nor has Trump changed his story at all.

    Dirt digging is certainly a Standard Operating Procedure for both parties; and they don't always stay inside the USA to dig dirt.

    Clinton did her dirt digging in the UK with a spy with ties to Russia as well. Does that mean she colluded with another nation? No.

    The biggest difference between the two is as far as I can tell Trump didn't use any information from the Russian's; whereas Clinton did get her buddies in the government to use the information and the secret court to spy on Trump's campaign.

    Now, don't take this post to be in support of Trump; but this isn't new news, nor has the story changed, nor is it collusion, just dirty politics.

  • wgirl Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 6, 2018 10:44 a.m.

    @Wasatch Al: "I thought his one virtue was being a family man."

    Really? Which family do you mean? His first wife - that he cheated on, his second wife - that he cheated on, or his third wife - that he cheated on? Or do you mean his daughter Tiffany, who he has practically nothing to do with?

    You think a man that appeared regularly on the Howard Stern show to say vulgar things about women...who bragged about peeping on the Miss Teen USA pageant contestants while they were getting undressed...who bragged about grabbing women by their genitals was a family man??

    Sorry, but in my opinion Trump has no "family values" at all. He does expect loyalty, but he has shown time and again that he only expects it of others, he isn't loyal to anyone but himself.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Aug. 6, 2018 8:23 a.m.

    So, Trump lied, has been lying all along, and did engage in collusion with the Russians. Why should this man continue as President? Why would anyone who is loyal to the United States support him?

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 6, 2018 7:58 a.m.

    If your going to tell really big lies, best to stop at only two inconsistent huge lies.

  • UtahBlueDevil Alpine, UT
    Aug. 6, 2018 7:57 a.m.

    Worf, help me understand. We have documented comments directly from Trump himself, he is kindly self documenting his changing narrative courtesy of his constant tweets. The only thing consistent is that he says he did not collude and that this is a witch hunt. Other than that, the "facts" keep changing.

    He knew of no meeting, to he found out after the fact and there was just one person, to there were many people in the meeting, to colluding isn't a crime. How is it that you don't see this? Not asking you to turn your back on Trump, but reading Trump's own words, his narrative has changed.

    Trump is changing the story consistently - and yet everyone else is following the pied piper? Your use of that imagery seems a bit.... ironic.... don't you think? Everyone is a liar BUT Trump?

  • Wasatch Al South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 6, 2018 7:22 a.m.

    It sounds like Trump is ready to sacrifice his own son to somehow take heat off of himself. I thought his one virtue was being a family man.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    Aug. 6, 2018 6:09 a.m.

    So, the latest trump defense is that "both sides did it".

    That did not work with my mother when I was caught doing some mischief. I was still punished for my misdeed, despite the fact a sibling had done something similar.

    Why is trump exempt from a wise woman's judgement? Is the trump defense now that we ought not care what misdeeds he has done? That is above the law? Is he some kind of deity?

    Really trump'sters. You insult our collective intelligence, and insult the memory of our wise mother's ancient wisdom, with your silly "both sides did it" claims.

    And you put fear into our very souls with the deification of the president. That is the way of tyranny.

  • Copybook Headings Draper, UT
    Aug. 6, 2018 5:27 a.m.

    Democrats should be careful on this because what goes around comes around. Schumer invents a precedent that Congress should not give hearings to a Supreme Court nominee during a sitting President's last '19 months' in office. Boy did that ever backfire. Harry Reid goes nuclear on confirmations just to pack the Federal Courts with ACA friendly judges. Brett Kavanaugh will be confirmed on 51 votes before November because of this. If Democrats want to score short term and entirely cheap political points (probably for fund raising?) by turning what Trump's campaign did into a 'crime' (something the Clinton campaign did as well I might add), then somewhere down the road they're going to get burned with it. And there will be plenty of people pointing out the hypocrisy.

  • PP Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 6, 2018 2:25 a.m.

    Sooooooo...... More lies and fake news from the AP. This was "revealed" by the white house more than a year ago. Amazing how they will take an old story that never got any traction a year ago because it hurt their "Russia gate" dreams of impeachment. Now they are so desperate they are "reporting" on it in hopes some people will think it's a new revelation.

    These kinds of lies and falsehoods are the very reason Trump was elected in the first place.

    I am massively sick of the constant barrage of lies from the "media" and the complete lack of reporting on anything remotely close to the positive things that are happening.

  • TAS Tehachapi, CA
    Aug. 5, 2018 11:50 p.m.

    The story changes every time it is told. What is Trump's relationship with Russian bankers, who have connections with Putin? I hope Mueller make this facts part of his report.

  • Mary Mc Lacey, WA
    Aug. 5, 2018 8:32 p.m.

    GOP-do your duty. Impeach now. Save our nation.

  • UtahBlueDevil Alpine, UT
    Aug. 5, 2018 7:58 p.m.

    Imagine our collective surprise to this admission.

    I also love the transformation from "I did not collude" to this week "Collusion isn't a crime".

    Trump just needs to shut up, let the investigation come to its final result, and then deal with that when it happens. He may not of colluded himself, and he can pardon everyone else. Just chill and let Mueller do his job and stop bringing attention to it.

  • Janet Pete Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 5, 2018 7:57 p.m.

    DN Subscriber - Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 5, 2018 6:37 p.m.

    "Yeah, but...

    "This was a one time meeting hopefully to get some dirt, but the commie lawyer only talked about some adoption stuff. Obviously a set up."

    Who said it was "one time"? And who knows what was discussed? It was secret involving Russians and Trump campaign people. There was no stenographer taking notes. How do you know what was discussed? Maybe it was preliminary to set up other meetings for continuing discussions. The only thing real, was that Donald Trump came out a few days later and asked Russia to release Hillary Clinton's emails. Obviously, he knew something.

    Then, on the same day, the FBI announced an investigation into Russian interference in the election, the Access Hollywood tape came out, and the first WikiLeaks dump of emails from the DNC server was made. From then on, damaging information obtained from Russian hackers continued to be released on a regular basis to keep the story on Hillary Clinton's email problem.

    Did you forget Jared Kushner going to the Russian embassy and trying to set up a back channel? Did this come out of the Trump Tower meeting: "Call us, we have much, much more."?

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Aug. 5, 2018 7:55 p.m.

    "Foolish mice keep following the pied piper."

    Right, they do. Despite the fact that trump is a terrible flute player.

  • shamrock Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 5, 2018 7:44 p.m.

    @worf says: "Opinions created from faulty and bias [sic] news reporting."

    The "opinions" expressed here are based on President Trump's own words. His tweet today is wholly inconsistent with his previous statements and those of his son, his lawyer, and the White House press secretary. You and he may not recognize a lie or misrepresentation when you see it, but the rest of us can.

  • Mackenzie Iwamoto Bronx, NY
    Aug. 5, 2018 7:42 p.m.

    clarkfran - Los Angeles, CA
    Aug. 5, 2018 3:30 p.m.

    "Both sides going to all lengths to try to dig up or create something to smear the other. Phony dossiers from one side and meeting with Russians from the other. "

    Clarkfran, you haven't been paying attention. The Steele dossier was raw intelligence, initiated by a Republican group, later maintained by the Clinton campaign, and referenced by the FBI in seeking a court injunction to investigation possible criminal conspiracy. Get the timeline correct and we can go from there.

    Nothing, I repeat, nothing has been discounted or proven untrue in the Steele dossier. Christopher Steele was a well-regarded MI-6 intelligence agent who used his sources in Russia to gather intelligence that was compiled into dossier form. It was released by Buzz Feed to the general public and the controversy began. But nothing about it was shown to be phony. In fact, much has been corroborated by other intelligence. The more salacious details remain unverified. That's not "phony".

    The Russian interference scandal, on the other hand, is very real and testified by our top intelligence officials last week, although Donald Trump continues to call it "a hoax"

  • Joe Leaphorn Scottsdale, AZ
    Aug. 5, 2018 7:31 p.m.

    scrappy do - DRAPER, UT
    Aug. 5, 2018 1:10 p.m.

    "Dirty politics can be found on both sides of the aisle."

    So you accept Donald Trump's lies because "dirty politics can be found on both sides . . . "? If that were so, would you accept a Democratic president who behaved like Trump since "dirty politics can be found on both sides . . . "? If that is how you accept things, then why should there even be a discussion except perhaps your dirty politician gives you what you want?

    Maybe getting two conservative Supreme Court justices and a tax bill that favors the very wealthy is justification for putting up with anything that denigrates and shames the United States. Who cares, as long as Trumpies get what they want? Right?

    If Donald Trump actually conspired with the Russians from the very beginning, back when he wanted to build a Trump Tower in Moscow and was told he must first become president and do Russia's bidding, would that be OK as long as he also gives the Religious Right what they most desperately want?

    Really? Does the end justify the means? If Trump was exposed as a vile and corrupt person, would you still want him as your president? As long as he gave you what you want?

  • Mad Hatter Santa Fe, NM
    Aug. 5, 2018 7:19 p.m.

    GingerMarshall - Brooklyn, OH
    Aug. 5, 2018 11:49 a.m.

    "Why in the world would anybody believe anything coming out of the Trump White House?"

    Trump true believers believe. They believe whatever Donald Trump tells them. They have been told not to believe anyone else, not even their own relatives or friends. Only Trump. He is the messenger.

    The question you have to ask yourself is "Why" do they believe? They've been conditioned not to trust the national media except places like Fox and other pro-Trump sources, these true believers are so committed to Trump that he's become a religion for them. He could create a Church of Trump and they would join.

    There are many people who get attracted to an authoritarian personality. That's why about 32% of the American population (87% of remaining Republicans) strongly support Trump. He fills some void in themselves. They can feel good about themselves. Point out the lies, and they will tell you, "Yes, we know, but's it OK." Just the same as for his behavior and the crazy stuff he does at his rallies. It's entertainment, partly, but it is a certain disgust with things. And he's giving them what they want on a very basic, tribal level.

  • JBs Logan, UT
    Aug. 5, 2018 7:07 p.m.

    Here we go again. It will be interesting, when we finally learn the truth, which version it will be.

  • Jim Chee Lahaina, HI
    Aug. 5, 2018 7:03 p.m.

    This is a new tactic along with all the other mud the Trump administration is throwing out to distract the public. For months now we have heard Donald Trump rant about "a hoax" and say no one knew who meddled in the election. "It could be Russia . . . it could be a 400 lb kid sitting on his bed in his parents basement."

    Even after Vladimir Putin acknowledged he wanted Trump to win the presidency and instructed Russian officials to help in that effort, Trump continued to deny that Russia was involved in any interference and almost conclude that it was all a made-up story to embarrass him and deny the legitimacy of his electoral win.

    Now we have Trump saying that the Trump Tower meeting was to get negative information on Hilliary Clinton, but even if it came from a hostile foreign power, it was not illegal. This is leading up to the final defense that criminal conspiracy to seek aid from a foreign source is OK.

    So here we have a series of lies, built on lies, and the only thing we know is that more lies are to come. If we learn Trump struck a deal with Putin for Russian help for him to win the general election before he announced his candidacy, he would say it was legal.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 5, 2018 6:58 p.m.

    @DN Subscriber

    "but the Clinton crime family..."

    Clintons never tweeted at 3:38 AM Utah time on a Sunday when 98% of the nation was asleep an admission of chronic lying.

  • clarkfran Los Angeles, CA
    Aug. 5, 2018 6:55 p.m.

    "But on the Dem side you'd need a highly skilled forensics team with very sensitive microscopes to find even a hint of dirt."

    This is the best laugh I've had in weeks. Who says CNN and MSNBC viewers don't have a sense of humor?!

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 5, 2018 6:51 p.m.

    @DN Subscriber
    Russia literally hacked Podesta's emails hours after Trump requested emails in a debate. The idea that this is just one conversation that led to nothing is just nonsense. Even Russia gets surprised by how brazen it is like the time during the transition period when Kushner wanted to set up a quiet backchannel to the Kremlin away from White House knowledge.

  • wgirl Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 5, 2018 6:47 p.m.

    @clarkfran: "Both sides going to all lengths to try to dig up or create something to smear the other. Phony dossiers from one side and meeting with Russians from the other. "

    I'm sorry, but this isn't a "both sides" situation.

    Both sides did not ask for Russia's help on national TV - that was only Trump.
    Both sides did not hire former Putin operatives to work for their campaign - that was only Trump.
    Both sides did not meet numerous times with Russians and then lie about - that was only Trump.
    Both sides did not refuse to release their taxes - that was only Trump.
    Both sides do not have members of their campaign that have plead guilty to crimes - that is only Trump.

    Hillary was not a great candidate, in fact she was a terrible candidate. But she didn't ask directly for Putin's help, and then get it to win the election.

    None of this was made up or dug up by the Democrats. It is not a hoax. The Dossier is not "phony." The firm Fusion GPS was hired by Marco Rubio to compile information on Trump, when he lost the nomination Clinton took over the account. The Dossier was compiled. Some, but not all, of its contents have been found to be accurate.

    Sorry, but Trump/GOP own this.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 5, 2018 6:37 p.m.

    Yeah, but...

    This was a one time meeting hopefully to get some dirt, but the commie lawyer only talked about some adoption stuff. Obviously a set up.

    However, Hillary Clinton's campaign paid large sums of money through Fusion GPS and a lawyer cutout to make them appear less involved, to a foreign national Christopher Steele who obtained (or fabricated) the infamous "Trump dossier" as campaign dirt on Trump.

    Worse, three top Obama administration officials were the ones involved in spreading the salacious "dossier" to the media, and the FBI kept Steele on their payroll after this too, so he essentially was getting paid double.

    Politicians are mostly scummy people, but the Clinton crime family seems to be far more corrupt, and beneficiaries of incredibly incurious media reporting and prejudiced FBI investigators than the Trumpists so their misdeeds are largely ignored.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Aug. 5, 2018 6:06 p.m.

    Opinions created from faulty and bias news reporting.

    Foolish mice keep following the pied piper.

  • RedRockUte St George, UT
    Aug. 5, 2018 5:31 p.m.

    Collusion is a synonym for conspiracy, that this is what conspiracy looks like.

    Not to mention lying, but Trump lying does not surprise anyone anymore, does it? Trump lying is like watching the sun rise in the east every morning.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Aug. 5, 2018 4:32 p.m.

    Hey scrappy do -

    Re: "Dirty politics can be found on both sides of the aisle"

    Oh really?

    I see PILES of dirt on the GOP side. You need a caterpillar tractor just to get around.

    But on the Dem side you'd need a highly skilled forensics team with very sensitive microscopes to find even a hint of dirt.

    Please don't equate us Democrats with Republicans. It makes us feel dirty even though we know we aren't.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 5, 2018 4:04 p.m.

    Whoops. The third version differs from the first version he drafted for junior.

  • GingerMarshall Brooklyn, OH
    Aug. 5, 2018 3:40 p.m.

    And now Trump's lawyer, Jay Sekulow, is making the rounds walking back his previous claims about the purpose of the meeting and who knew and what happened... either Sekulow knew, and lied multiple times in public statements or he was lied to by his client and has now found it out via twitter.

    Personally, having watched Sekulow over the years, I'd go with the former, but I'm open.

    We're also finding out Trump jr had dinner with the now-arrested Russian spy Maria Butina a few weeks before the Trump Tower meeting. Innocent coincidence? Or is Trump jr an asset?

  • clarkfran Los Angeles, CA
    Aug. 5, 2018 3:30 p.m.

    Lovely state of politics in the United States of Hypocrisy. Both sides going to all lengths to try to dig up or create something to smear the other. Phony dossiers from one side and meeting with Russians from the other. Nobody on either side can claim moral high ground or indignation, and yet that's all you hear from both sides. Have we now reached the pathetic point of moral/ethical bankruptcy and hypocrisy being the new accepted norm?

  • David Centerville, UT
    Aug. 5, 2018 3:24 p.m.

    Scrappy do,

    "Dirty politics can be found on both sides of the aisle".

    Does that make what Trump did ok and acceptable? When do we demand integrity and adherence to law from our politicians? When do we demand ethical and upright behavior?

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 5, 2018 3:19 p.m.

    So just to recap, first the idea that Trump and his campiegn was looking to Russia for help in the Presidential election was absurd and offensive and journalists were spreading lies.

    Now conspiring with Russian agents to alter the election is not that big of deal and everyone is doing it.

    Even if conspiracy with hostile foreign powers to become President is legal, do you really want a President that owes Putin?

    If you like Reagan how can you justify voting for a US President that is now admitting that he conspired with Russian agents to get elected?

  • Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 5, 2018 2:48 p.m.

    So, for once I agree with the President.

    Let's all agree not to call it collusion for the benefit of our President's ego.

    Does it matter what word we use for Trump's actions?

    Our free and fair electoral process was literally attacked by the military of a hostile foreign government, and by his own admission today, he conspired with that foreign government to subvert our nation's electoral process.

    Let's call it what it was: T-R-E-A-S-O-N.

    I love my country. This President must be impeached and jailed.

  • Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 5, 2018 2:35 p.m.

    "President Donald Trump on Sunday acknowledged that the 2016 Trump Tower meeting between a Kremlin-connected lawyer and his son was to collect information about his political opponent..."

    Wait a sec there, bub.

    Are you, Donald Trump, calling Donald Trump, a liar? I will not stand for that!!!!

    Our President is free to make up whatever stories he likes and spoon feed them to his followers, without the threat of contradiction.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    Aug. 5, 2018 2:22 p.m.

    "This was a meeting to get information on an opponent, totally legal and done all the time in politics - and it went nowhere."

    Basically, this completely exonerates Hillary.

  • shamrock Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 5, 2018 1:49 p.m.

    Lying is wrong, but if you're going to lie, you should at least have the smarts to: (1) keep your lies to a minimum so you don't damage your credibility; (2) make your lies plausible; and (3) not change your story every time the wind blows.

    Trump not only mangles the truth on a regular basis, but he does it even when he doesn't need to and when he's bound to get caught. That's pathological.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Aug. 5, 2018 1:46 p.m.

    Trump on Russia in 4 sentences:
    1. I did not collude with Russia.
    2. Even if I did, collusion is not illegal.
    3. Crooked Hillary colluded with Russia.
    4. We should prosecute Crooked Hillary because she colluded with Russia.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 5, 2018 1:26 p.m.

    Will Sean Hannity lead off tomorrow's show by saying ho indignant he is about Trump Jr. lying to him? No, he will probably have Trump Jr. on for some instant love, sympathy and rehabilitation.

    The list of Trump surrogates who have lied about that Trump Tower meeting would easily exceed the 1,200 character limit.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Aug. 5, 2018 1:11 p.m.

    You mean the 'adoption' excuse was a lie?

  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    Aug. 5, 2018 1:10 p.m.

    Dirty politics can be found on both sides of the aisle

  • Dart Thrower Ogden, UT
    Aug. 5, 2018 12:43 p.m.

    So many lies. Don Jr put out a statement saying this meeting was solely about Russian adoptions, but we now know that Trump Sr. drafted that statement. Lie One. Trump Sr. now openly confirms that the meeting was about gathering dirt, so the Russian adoption story was Lie Two. Trump Sr. has been adamant that he did not know about the meeting, but Cohen says that he know beforehand. Lie Three. In baseball, he would be headed to the dugout.

  • mightymite , 00
    Aug. 5, 2018 12:21 p.m.

    How can anyone have any confidence in this man?

  • GingerMarshall Brooklyn, OH
    Aug. 5, 2018 11:49 a.m.

    So... there was absolutely no meeting.

    Then there was a meeting by not with those people.

    Then there was a meeting with those people but not about that subject.

    Then it was a meeting with those people about that subject but it was not illegal...

    Why in the world would anybody believe anything coming out of the Trump White House? What is the motivation for excusing and dismissing and supporting the ongoing tissue paper web of lies and prevarications and cover ups?

    Why? Watch a Trump rally. The unbridled anger at "them," at "those people" who have done that "bad stuff" we hate.

    Thirty percent of the country will support him under any circumstance because he stokes and encourages and supports their anger.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 5, 2018 11:44 a.m.

    Now we're at the point where they admit they're colluding but just argue that collusion isn't a crime.

    Mueller can now indict Don Jr. on perjury charges.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Aug. 5, 2018 11:43 a.m.

    Re: "Trump acknowledges purpose of meeting with Russian lawyer"

    In other words, Trump acknowledges colluding with the Russians.

    And that means, the hundreds of times he said, "NO COLLUSION," were all lies.

    Is anyone really surprised?

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 5, 2018 11:30 a.m.

    The New York Times originally broke this story and they got it right. Trump can call it "fake news" all he wants but that tweet this morning came from a man who knows his lies have caught up with him. That tweet was a confession.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    Aug. 5, 2018 11:23 a.m.

    The president lied about Don Jr.'s meeting a year and now gives us the truth. What else does he lie about?

    Furthermore, it is Not Normal, Not Normal At All, for anyone, much less a president to call the media the "Enemy of the People?|".

    There is no defense for trump's latest outbursts.