Inside the newsroom: Readers respond to a column on principles (or was it Donald Trump?)

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  • Marriage & Morality Advocate Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 8, 2018 2:28 p.m.

    The main stream media has shown itself for years and years to be extremely biased. Their true colors have only been ratcheted up with Donald Trump coming on the scene. They are trying to overturn the election and destroy Donald Trump politically by any and every means at their disposal. The main stream media may be the leader and is probably the primary cheer leader of leftist-autocratic-progressivism (e.g. communists-socialists) whose political arm in the U.S. is at this point the Democratic party and perhaps to a lesser extent many of both parties in the Washington Establishment. The main stream media have proven to be liars who often cover the news that they make and are the ones who are are the most active proponents of silencing opposing views. They have marshalled themselves against the principles, practices and ideals of the American founding. So, yes, they are the enemy of the good in America. That said, the First Amendment applies to them. But President Trump is doing a great patriotic service using his bully pulpit to call out the main stream media for their lies and undermining of true American values. He is just helping a return to American greatness.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Aug. 7, 2018 11:25 a.m.

    Hey Gildas -

    Re: ". . . the mainstream press, as it is called, is unpopular and most people do not trust it, read it or watch it. Check the viewership and readership figures."

    Popularity and truth don't always coexist. Why are demagogues demagogues? . . . . It's because they are popular. A demagogue could not be demagogue without being popular.

    But you're still wrong. Sure, Fox "NEWS" has more viewers than any of the other network news sources, but it has far less viewers than all of the major networks put together.

    That's because most Americans are smart enough NOT to be demagogued. "Conservatives" are the MINORITY in this nation. That's why the GOP works so hard to deny Americans their right to vote.

    And yes, the Internet is full of fake news sources that appeal to Republicans. Russian trolls provide exactly the kind of news that many "conservatives" prefer to hear.

    Your words are more wishful thinking than anything else. The 4th estate, the mainstream media, is still a force in this nation, and it's easily withstanding attacks from the Russia-Republican coalition.

    The U.S. Constitution is STILL the law of the land, and most Americans are still patriots.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    Aug. 7, 2018 11:23 a.m.

    HSTucker said: "Civility cannot be advanced by telling lies."

    This from a person who defends the daily lies told by the president, sometimes about the lie he told the day before. You are correct "Civility cannot be advanced by telling lies" but he media seems saintly when compared to the pathological liar we now have in the white house. The false equivalence of many posts from the far right gallery are astounding.

    Obama lied about "and you can name it"

    Trump lies about small things, he lies about personal things, he lies about government, he lies about world leaders, he lies about his finances, he lies about his affairs, he lies about payoffs, he lies about small petty things and dangerous conspiracy theories.

    There is no comparison with any other president in history, so quit with the horrible analogies that your radio is selling you.

    Don't believe your eyes and ears, only believe in Donald.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Aug. 7, 2018 10:16 a.m.

    Hey Pablo -

    Re: "Then Rush Limbaugh came on the scene in 1988 making fun of the liberal points of certain leaders in the democrat party."

    Rush Limbaugh came on the scene only after the Reagan administration DESTROYED the Fairness Doctrine. As a matter of fact, Limbaugh's radio show began the very next year. Look it up.

    The destruction of the Fairness Doctrine allowed the mendacious Limbaugh to lie, lie, and lie some more without ANY opposition from the truth.

    Now after 30 years of uncontested lies from Limbaugh and his ilk, our nation is top heavy with thoroughly brainwashed self-described conservatives who fear and despise purveyors of the truth. Why? . . . Because facts contradict their most cherished beliefs. That's why they demonize truth tellers like the legitimate media, institutions of higher learning, and even science itself.

    And guess what . . . Most of them don't even know what it means to be a real conservative.

    "Today's so-called 'conservatives' don't even know what the word means. " - Barry Goldwater 1994

    I bet you think you're a conservative, don't you Pablo?

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    Aug. 7, 2018 7:37 a.m.

    We have some good printed media but the old press has become blatantly corrupt and unreliable. Unlike 'Pravda' in the old Soviet Union it is not a government entity but its biases are known and predictable. We maybe shouldn't worry too much; the mainstream press, as it is called, is unpopular and most people do not trust it, read it or watch it. Check the viewership and readership figures.

    There are alternate sources of news and comment and it is online for the most part. If we could not get it from You Tube we would get it somewhere else. There is also Talk Radio where we get various opinions on the news stories and the ability to interact, rather like in this forum. It's not perfect I hasten to add but can rise to excellence in some cases. The truth is out there for the discerning.

    To say we have a 'free press' is not really true. What we mean is that it has the potential to be free. In fact I do not doubt but that the paymaster very often decides what the reporter and columnist says, directly and indirectly, and those employees "know on which side their bread is buttered". That is often all about money and cynicism and career journalism; 'msm' being worst.

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    Aug. 7, 2018 7:09 a.m.

    @LOU Montana.
    Liked your defense of Obama. Sure, he lied. Just not as much as Trump. High praise indeed.

  • J2 Riverton, UT
    Aug. 6, 2018 6:33 p.m.

    Thanks Doug, but whatever this piece is, it isn't enough to persuade me that the Deseret News is going to get rid of its liberal bias.

    Too bad.

  • pablo Orem, UT
    Aug. 6, 2018 6:12 p.m.

    Doug, I believe many of your comments were noteworthy. I noticed many years ago that Dan Rather had a bias against the republican party and their principles. I also noticed a subtle bias that the other major networks had before the Fox network came into being, the exception being Walter Cronkite. After Walter Cronkite went off the news in 1981 the bias of the three major networks for the democratic party became more evident. Then Rush Limbaugh came on the scene in 1988 making fun of the liberal points of certain leaders in the democrat party. All of a sudden there was a person who countered the bias of the "main news service". In 1996 Fox News came on the scene who gave another conservative voice in the media . But when Trump won the election and went conservative on issues and surprised even most republicans, the democrat news service of CNN and others have gone almost insane in the Hyperbole rhetoric against trump. As a free press they are crying "fire" in a crowded theater. Now we see violent encouragement on the left but the CNN's are silent on this. When the "left" promote socialism, open boarders, and violence against ICE, the CNN's do not condemn it.

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    Aug. 6, 2018 4:51 p.m.

    @Furry1993 "I remember that Rather told the truth about Bush, but didn't get the evidence right."

    Heh, didn't get the evidence right. As I remember it, Charles Johnson at Little Green Footballs opened Microsoft Word, set the font to Times New Roman, tabbed to the default tab-stop, typed in the date, and manually entered the rest of the text. When he was finished, his document was a perfect match with the screenshot at CBS.

    Apparently the Army National Guard time-travelled to 2004 to type up Bush's service record.

    That is some real not getting the evidence right.

    The New York Times called it "Fake but Accurate."

    Makes me laugh even today.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    Aug. 6, 2018 4:28 p.m.

    RedShirt - USS Enterprise, UT: Obama in five life times could never tell as many lies as Trump. Trump has no morals and no dignity and he is a shame to our country.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Aug. 6, 2018 12:13 p.m.

    It is funny to see the liberals justify the bias in the media.

    We know Trump is not a faultless person, but neither was Obama. The biggest difference is how the Press is treating them differently. Obama was allowed to lie and hide thing from the media and they reported only about how brilliant he was. Now, when Trump does nearly the exact same thing suddenly it is stupid and horrible.

    We see the double standard that the press has, and the people are not going to take it. Look at the NY Times. They destroy the lives of conservatives if the conservative ever said anything remotely racist, at the same time they are hiring a woman who has made many bluntly racist remarks.

    If the press could reduce is bias, things would be better. Apply the same standards to liberals that are applied to conservatives.

  • patrioticAMERICAN South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 6, 2018 12:08 p.m.

    You shouldn't have to apologise for thinking you're superior to Trump anymore than America should have to apologise for thinking it's superior to Russia or N. Korea (before 2016 anyway).

    Any "right-thinking" person would--and I don't mean that to refer to Repubs necessarily--I mean those who value integrity, honesty, responsibility, morality, decency, compassion, & common sense.

  • oldgulph VILLANOVA, PA
    Aug. 6, 2018 10:56 a.m.

    Note: The National Popular Vote bill is 64% of the way to guaranteeing the majority of Electoral College votes and the presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in the country, by changing state winner-take-all laws (not mentioned in the U.S. Constitution, but later enacted by 48 states), without changing anything in the Constitution, using the built-in method that the Constitution provides for states to make changes.

    It simply requires enacting states with 270 electoral votes to award their electoral votes to the winner of the most national popular votes.

    All voters would be valued equally in presidential elections, no matter where they live.
    Candidates, as in other elections, would allocate their time, money, polling, organizing, and ad buys roughly in proportion to the population

    Every vote, everywhere, for every candidate, would be politically relevant and equal in every presidential election.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Aug. 6, 2018 10:31 a.m.

    @Brent Garner - Aug. 6, 2018 5:21 a.m.

    Answering your statements:

    trump IS bad, both as a person throughout his life, as shown by his words and actions, and because of the damage he has done while occupying the Oval Office this last 1-1/2 year.

    By his words and actions, trump clearly wants to eliminate at least the portion of the 1st Amendment protecting a free press--he only wants to protect the press that spreads his lies.

    trump DOES lie repeatedly.

    The free press is not the propaganda arm of the left wing in this country; it merely accurately tells what is happening. FoxNews, et al, are the propaganda arm of the right wing.

    FoxNews has become increasingly slanted and distorted, and has been caught in out right lies to the point that it is classified as propaganda by numerous countries.

    I remember that Rather told the truth about Bush, but didn't get the evidence right.

    I, for one, am disgusted that "media" like FoxNews has sold out to the far right.

    trump is displeased with the mainstream media because they are honest and don't spread his lies. They report the news accurately, and don't say what he wants them to say. The media are journalist, not propagandist.

  • HSTucker Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 6, 2018 9:56 a.m.

    Civility cannot be advanced by telling lies.

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    Aug. 6, 2018 9:01 a.m.

    Not sure if this allowed by censors. But I’ll guve it one last try.

    I just can’t bring myself to support either side in this debate.

    I won’t say why, because that might be considered derogatory, insulting, or name-calling.

  • RWOFVA RIVERTON, UT
    Aug. 6, 2018 8:31 a.m.

    We live in a new world were any opinionated person with a blog or even a Facebook page can be a journalist. The days of one or two papers, a half dozen networks and only music on the radio are gone. Those days have been replaced with hundreds of tv and radio talking heads all trying to be a bit more outlandish than the others to draw your attention. And now they compete with millions doing the same on the internet. Truth and open dialogue are lost as people huddle inside their preselected media sources that they know will confirm their bias' and create their own truth. This upheaval has deomized descent under Obama, and in response given us President Trump. Who knows what will come next. No doubt in fifty years students will study our time and the good and bad it will have done to society.

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    Aug. 6, 2018 8:16 a.m.

    @GingerMarshall "'Fake news' is a weapon Trump uses to confuse and whip up his base. And they buy it."

    Here's a secret: you don't even have to be a Trump follower to recognize media bias. It is blatant. This is why the phrase gets so much traction.

  • Brent Garner Idaho Falls, ID
    Aug. 6, 2018 5:21 a.m.

    I find it intriguing that the author of this column and so many of those who have commented seem to be of the thought that in one way or another Trump is bad. They claim he wants to eliminate the 1st Amendment. They claim he lies all the time. I have watched over nearly 6 decades now how our so-called free press has morphed into the propaganda arm of the leftwing in this country. News has become increasingly slanted and distorted. Numerous times various media outlets, such as the NYT, have been caught in out right lies. Does anyone remember the falsehood attempted by Dan Rather? I, for one, am disgusted with the media because of their sellout to the leftwing. That is, from my reading, the main thrust of why Mr. Trump is so displeased with the media. They are not honest! They would rather create the news than report the news. Thus, they are more propagandist than journalist.

  • JBs Logan, UT
    Aug. 5, 2018 6:53 p.m.

    I absolutely respect the office of the presidency. It is an impossible, thankless job I'm grateful some will choose to take on.

    However, the presidency is not the man or woman briefly inhabiting that space. Do I respect our current president? Not at all. Respect is earned by principled behavior and Mr. Trump has not earned my respect because he isn't principled.

  • 1aggie Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 5, 2018 5:59 p.m.

    Clarkfran:

    “Where was the media outrage when Obama referred to Christians as people who simply cling to their God and guns?”

    For the record here is what Obama actually said:

    “You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

    Sounds to me Obama is speaking sympathetically and is trying to explain the understandable bitterness of those who’ve been left behind.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 5, 2018 4:01 p.m.

    @clarkfan "Where was the media outrage when Obama referred to Christians as people who simply cling to their God and guns? Where was the media outrage when Hillary Clinton called people who didn't want to vote for her "deplorables?"

    That was not quite Obama's point, but consider that we heard about these things via the MSM. What did you want the MSM to do exactly?

  • GingerMarshall Brooklyn, OH
    Aug. 5, 2018 3:27 p.m.

    @clarkfran: "Where was the media outrage when Obama referred to Christians as people who simply cling to their God and guns? Where was the media outrage when Hillary Clinton called people who didn't want to vote for her "deplorables?""

    Because that isn't what either one actually said.

    Obama did not attack Christians.

    Clinton did call all Trump voters "deplorables."

    But the facts and context and real quotes do not matter when fake quotes generate so much outrage.

  • Light and Liberty St George, UT
    Aug. 5, 2018 3:15 p.m.

    I need a free press, but not one that doesn't defend and respect the constitution. Contrary to many hete, i don't need a colldge degree (A masters is what i have) to know whether a president, a legislator, or a Supreme Court justice has violated it. You may not like Trumps tweets, but as far as i know, it doesn't violate the constitution. On the other hand, Obama tore it to pieces and smiled to his adoring followers and hollywood media friends. You tell me which is worse. Trump is not the incarnation of Satan, nor was Obama. I just politely went about my duties, ignoring most of the media hype or grandstanding. The problems go way beyond Trump or Obama's ability to ruin this country. For certain, it is easy to decipher when the constitution is ignored. No media or degree to help me figure that out.

  • UtahBlueDevil Alpine, UT
    Aug. 5, 2018 2:10 p.m.

    ""This is not a column comparing our current president to Hitler or Nazi Germany. They are not comparable and any attempt to do so is worthy of condemnation. "

    Here is the problem though.... the Trump administration went there this week, comparing current Democrats to Nazis. And we all know what will happen next, people on the left will return the favor, and it will back and forth again and again.

    Neither party is near anything the Nazi party ended up doing. But we need to remember that neither did the early Nazi party. In the beginning the Nazis were running on a platform of genocide, but rather that foreigners and those who lived different styles of lives were Germany's main problem and an enemy of the state. That the press was the evil and against the German people. They shut down the media. They fostered divid between Germans. The promoted nationalism and purity.

    We aren't there yet.... I don't think any German believed that nation would go where it went. Germans in general were and are good people. Regardless - it is a path we need to stay away from with every fibre of our souls. Let's not go there....

  • GingerMarshall Brooklyn, OH
    Aug. 5, 2018 12:23 p.m.

    @Nate: "I don't think he calls all media the enemy of the people. He qualifies it as those media publishing what he calls fake news."

    Trump's "fake news" includes news he doesn't like, news that reports facts, news that reports things he said yesterday that he is blantantly denying today.

    When Trump talks about "fake news" he is not referring to his fake campaign about President Obama's birth certificate or Alex Jones claiming the parents of the babies murdered in Sandy Hook are "crisis actors" and there was no gunman, not shooting, no dead children.

    "Fake news" is a weapon Trump uses to confuse and whip up his base. And they buy it.

  • Utefan60 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 5, 2018 12:21 p.m.

    The oddest post is: "When the media can't even figure out the most basic fundamental truths, what good are they really?" Really?

    That is the true danger of people who want to mingle truth with lies and deception. They blame the press for reporting real events. They attack the free press. They use the Constitution as a twisted defense for things they don't like. Par for the deflectors .

    The free press for the most part is doing it's job. And today we have many outlets in verifying the truth or dishonesty of almost any news event. Fact Check, Snopes.com and others are apps for checking out the many news articles that we all see every day. Do it!

    Up until last week, Trump has falsified or lied about over 4300 times since he took office. This isn't good. Truth is truth and lies are lies. There isn't a gray area. The earth is flat or it is round, it isn't both. But the right can't compensate for the lies and dishonesties they have to deal with each day. So they attack the free press, they deflect and they distort. Par for the course. Sure must twist their vision of right and wrong. There is truth and there is dishonesty. Not a hybrid of both.

  • clarkfran Los Angeles, CA
    Aug. 5, 2018 11:54 a.m.

    How is a "free and unfettered" media any different than a free and unfettered president? Where was the media outrage when Obama referred to Christians as people who simply cling to their God and guns? Where was the media outrage when Hillary Clinton called people who didn't want to vote for her "deplorables?" Free speech either applies to all of us or none of us. No one says you have to like or dislike a particular president. President Trump has as much right to call out the press on their attacks and shortcomings as they do to call out him on his. If you demand that he be professional, then demand it from the press and other media, as well. "Be the change you want to see" applies to all of us.

  • loweye salt lake, UT
    Aug. 5, 2018 11:43 a.m.

    How exactly do those who want real news expect that to happen? Would they prefer just a column of things happening, such as Trumps tweets without comment? What if a plane crashes, do they print just the place, time and death count without any concern about what the experts think happened and how people survived? Reporters are called on to give whatever there may be and how much you want to hear.

    I majored in history, and was a little surprised to find out that historians not only give the facts, but why things happen. That may change over the years as more facts become available and people see things differently. I think that should also be how news is reported if there is enough evidence.

    If you believe that someplace like Fox News doesn't go far out of the realm of what really happened and why, perhaps you should listen with a filter.

    Several months ago, Trump, who admits he has not read the Constitution, said maybe we should get rid of freedom of speech and the press. I find that very frightening. That would put us on the same level of most dictatorships in history.

    We all need to listen more to our own consciences not someone else's "truths".

  • louie Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 5, 2018 11:26 a.m.

    "The office of the president is not being respected right now. A lot of it is our mainstream media. I’m for America and want so much for us to become united." Whatever one thinks of our president, or the presidency itself, that is a worthy desire." A united America is a principle worth writing about.

    That final statement implies the media needs to fall in line or support the presidency. I thought that is why Trump was elected. He was going to bring the country together with his leadership.

    I believe the media has a right and responsibility to bring to light problems that can and should be addressed. And by the way:

    Its not fake news when Trump lies and the media calls him out.

    Its not fake news when he confuses his own advisers and denies the Russian hacking and the media calls him out.

    It is not fake news when he chooses to assassinate and demean the character any celebrity, athlete, or politician he dislikes and the media calls him out.

    I do not agree in giving the president a pass on all these issues.

    Ask yourself the question who is really the cause of the current vitriolic back and forth?

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Aug. 5, 2018 10:57 a.m.

    When staunch republicans, the "party over country" crowd, start calling the D-News "liberal" we know that our country is in peril.

  • All American Herriman, UT
    Aug. 5, 2018 10:29 a.m.

    "RC" is correct that we "all tend to gravitate to the source that espouses thinking that closely aligns with our own." But I don't see how we can be enlightened by "flipping the channel" or reading "alternative views" when those views are as biased and/or false as my own may be. I admit - I have a strong conservative, even libertarian bias and it sickens me to listen to the MSM twist and spin facts and then spew their biased opinions (even Fox News does it at times).

    The socialist/Dems are NEVER going to convince me that anything they say is true or correct or good for this country. Conversely, I'm never going to convince them that they are a danger to this country and following them will ultimately kill our Republic.

    And there you have it - the divide that I do not think can be closed by perusing alternative views.

  • Jeremiah Flanksteak Sandy, UT
    Aug. 5, 2018 9:07 a.m.

    @Light and Liberty: There are vast ‘opinions’ of what people call ‘moral values’. You may think abortion is ‘wrong’ on ‘moral’ grounds that ‘life is precious’ etc. I may think abortion is ‘fine’. You may think Cannabis is ‘wrong’ or ‘immoral’. I think it’s the greatest plant God ever made. Define ‘truth’!

  • DonO Draper, UT
    Aug. 5, 2018 9:00 a.m.

    How can any reader believe you are "disrespecting" Donald Trump by standing up for a free and unfettered media? To me it echoes what Trump seems to be saying at every one of his rallies: "If the media don't agree with me and everything I do, they are fake news and the enemy of the people." It not only is narcissistic to the extreme, it is extremely dangerous to our country. Your drawing a parallel (not a comparison) with Nazi Germany was, IMO, very apropos.

  • 1aggie Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 5, 2018 8:23 a.m.

    Gone are the days where we all got our news from the same sources—people like Walter Cronkite. Today, with cable TV we have a 24 hr news cycle which has to be filled and so it is no longer just news but also includes programs which provide nothing but pure commentary and opinionators. This is where we find the roots of discord and divisiveness that now dominate society.

    There are still programs which steer clear of opinionators.
    Ethical and reliable sources will admit and correct mistakes in reporting when they happen.

    One question I never get an answer to is how/what sources do Conservatives use to fact check what they read/watch/listen to?

  • uterebel50 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 5, 2018 8:18 a.m.

    Doug, neither you, nor I, nor anyone else critical of Trump's actions are disrespecting the office of President. Donald Trump does that himself with every late night tweet and emotional outburst. To call out a man, even the President of the United States, who flagrantly calls the media, and thereby the 1st Amendment, our enemy is not only our right, but our duty. I am more concerned with the people among us who angrily, and blindly, try to defend Trump's views regarding the media, and try to shout down anyone who doesn't fall in line behind them and their party.

  • RC in WJ WEST JORDAN, UT
    Aug. 5, 2018 7:42 a.m.

    Poster "Light and Liberty" gives us quite the eloquent dialogue, but I get the feeling after reading it several times IMO, what "Light and Liberty" is saying is really not "stand for something", but stand for something I believe!

    This is not an uncommon thought process. In fact most of us practice this kind of thinking.

    Few News sources are totally unbiased, some are more or less biased than others. We all tend to gravitate to the source that espouses thinking that closely aligns with our own.

    In this age of enlightened news sources, would we not all be better served if we mixed in a potpourri of sources, flip the channel, read alternate views, much is available on line.

    Would our country and ourselves not be better served if we looked for what is good in our political parties instead of what we can find to denigrate.

    I know is sounds like a pollyanna attitude, but isn't there some medium ground between Pollyanna and the red meat attitudes we now practice.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 5, 2018 6:46 a.m.

    It's OK for the media to self-reflect. But we have a president who is ill-informed, does not tell the truth, and whose number one goal in life seems to be for everyone to think he's fabulous and to tell him that often. Insecure narcissists melt under criticism and they bully back.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    Aug. 5, 2018 6:14 a.m.

    Mr Wilks quotes a reader: "The office of the president is not being respected right now. A lot of it is our mainstream media. I’m for America and want so much for us to become united". He agrees with this sentiment.

    The office of the president is not respected by most of us now because the current occupant of said office is not respectable. The president is guilty of misleading and lying to the American people; has refused to fully disclose his business connections, some of which may be with Russian oligarchs, thereby tainting his relationship with our biggest geo-global enemy; and tweets nonsense on a virtual daily basis. He is profoundly unrespectable.

    Just how is the American public supposed to respond to that kind of person? With respect? Gimme a break.

    Worse than the president is the many apologists for his wanton ways and difficulty in truth telling. The media and those of us with the guts to call out the president and his apologists for the many mistatements and hyperbolic claims (its either trump or socialism!) are criticized as unAmerican and unpatriotic. Malarkey. We are the ones defending the Constitution, American history and civil society.

  • vern001 Castle Rock, CO
    Aug. 5, 2018 3:45 a.m.

    When the president regularly takes to Twitter to insult and offend people, he doesn’t deserve our respect. This week’s attacks on Lebron James and Don Lemon were so despicable, even Melania Trump spoke out in James’ defense.

    Trump supporters can criticize the media all they want for what they perceive as liberal bias, but perhaps it would be more useful to recognize that the president invites much of the opprobrium he receives with his own behavior.

  • Nichol Draper West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 5, 2018 3:30 a.m.

    Do you really care about freedom of the press? Then you should be fighting for Julian Assange. And is Trump really that bad, or does he just not fit your idea of a president? I guess you said the same thing about our last president who said "I did not say you could keep your health care." (Regardless that 29 recorded videos show he did.) I can go on to list over 100 Obama scandals and quotes where he did not do what he said or tried to cover up what he did. Where were your comparisons of Obama to past leaders who went beyond Presidential authority? Your supposed outrage is really just, my party lost so I'm going to throw a tantrum. Grow up.

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    Aug. 5, 2018 3:25 a.m.

    @Doug Wilks "It came out strongly against President Donald Trump's actions in calling the media the enemy of the people...."

    I don't think he calls all media the enemy of the people. He qualifies it as those media publishing what he calls fake news. Please correct me if you have a counter-example. I don't follow his tweets.

    Would you call someone who knowingly publishes falsehoods a friend of the people?

  • John Jackson Sandy, UT
    Aug. 5, 2018 2:42 a.m.

    Bless you, Doug. I love it that you are open with what goes on in the newsroom.
    Back in the day, there was more "just the facts, ma'am" journalism. Journalism had some outlets that were conservative or liberal, but most were considered even-handed. Today, with the advent of what we might call talk television, opinion and spins are sliced in with the coverage more.
    At this point, you probably expect me to say that is bad. I don't. To some extent, it is good. For one, it makes the news more interesting.
    But, I will tell you where how I would like to see our news continue to evolve. What if, instead of trying to be unbiased by not showing any bias (like we did in the old days), we were honest about revealing our biases as reporters, but endeavored to be even-handed, the same? What if, instead of hiding our biases, we expressed them while at making every attempt to be unbiased?
    It is good to discuss things openly, and to be frank. I don't know that that hurts good news coverage, even though it involves inserting opinion. It does make the news more interesting. I wonder but what with all the clearly biased media of today, we don't follow the news more, and discuss it more.

  • AlanSutton Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 5, 2018 12:01 a.m.

    Doug, the problem with this follow-up is its failure to admit any wrongdoing by the media, your staff or your paper. Admissions of error by the media are too few and far between; they should be, but aren’t, standard practice in the newspaper business.

    Case in point: a recent piece by one of your writers criticized the President’s press secretary for calling a reporter “stupid.” That word was in quotation marks in the original story. When I commented, as I’m doing here, that Ms. Sanders never in fact used that word and that your reporter made that accusation by reading and believing what reporters at other papers had mistakenly reported, your reporter added a comment to the end of her story, stating that, yes, Ms. Sanders never actually used that word but it nevertheless describes “the essence” of her remarks. That comment completely undermined the original story. Why not admit the error and apologize for it? If one claims to be honest in one’s reporting, one should be equally honest about one’s mistakes.

    Freedom of the press is essential, but when those who exercise it fail to give it the respect it deserves, they become, as the President has said, the people’s enemy.

  • Sandy Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 4, 2018 11:36 p.m.

    This is an admirable but uncalled-for piece of humble pie, in my opinion. Readers who chasten you for being disrespectful of the office of the presidency should wake up to the way Trump disrespects that office with every rally, with every tweet. To this reader, “D” has come to stand for the disgraceful and dishonorable talk and behavior constantly dominating the headlines. How your readers can’t see that is beyond me.

  • Light and Liberty St George, UT
    Aug. 4, 2018 10:48 p.m.

    One of the problems I have with the media and many citizens is this uncertainty about what is moral or immoral, what is right and wrong, should we turn to Socialism for a better America or not, is abortion a wonderful choice or is it wrong, do we want to do away with the constitution or keep it as it was written or even how it should be changed. The list can go on and on! When the media can't even figure out the most basic fundamental truths, what good are they really? I can educate myself on a lot of things, but when a reading public doesn't even have any kind of reinforcement about fundamental principles from the main stream media, how much good can they really do? If the media has lost its ability to even see the most fundamental truths, what truth coming from them can really make a difference in my life or the life of the nation. Does the Deseret News have a constitution? Do they have any written standards that we can look to and say, 'O.K., at least I can hold them accountable for their stewardship of declared principles.' Too bad they don't. It may be one of the main reasons readership is down. Stand for something!