The most significant bipartisan legislation is probably the continued funding
for wars in 7 countries the US has never followed the US Constitution to declare
war against. Neither Mia Love nor Ben McAdams has addressed these wars and both
will vote to continue them.
One of the things Utahns need to really look at is not just voting for someone
because they are Republican or Mormon. Sometimes neither of these mean anything.
Look at the extreme right-wing Republicans we have in Congress and what they are
doing to our country. We need more centrists individuals that have the ability
to come together and work hard to solve our country's problems. We need to
walk away from candidates that are too far to the right or left and that fuel
devisivness, and that are not willing to listen to and meet with their
Missileer"I don't see anything in this add that is wrong or
should be condemned. McAdams is a known hater of our Constitutional government
and citizens rights to control the government and has demonstrated his blatant
disrespect for the citizens of Utah, he is the liar and subversive angel of evil
government representation."Thanks for defending the indefensible
actions of one of your Mormon Republicans. Not much "Party First" in
your comment.Care to explain how "McAdams is a known hater of
our Constitutional government and citizens rights...blah, blah, blah.A whole lot of partisan hyperbole and right wing parroting, but not a single
citation to support your "speculation" and hyperbole.How did
your comment pass the scrutiny of the D-News censors? Oh yeah, pro-Mormon
Republican, anti-Dem. That's all that's needed.
McAdams' main problem is that he has a track record as a major liberal.
Even if Love isn't perfect, McAdams isn't who should've run
against her in a Conservative district. A moderate might've had a chance.
My biggest problem is the unknown with the National Debt which the Republicans
were going to take care of when they got into power. So what did they do? Made
it a lot worse with the tax breaks for the rich.
I don't think she (Mia) knows the meaning of integrity...
People, in general, are sick of dirty politics, dishonesty, fraud, lies, and
interference in their elections regardless of the party. The primary goal of any
politician should be to try and avoid these things. In general, they are not
practiced in walking a higher road but they should at least give it an earnest
Sonny N. Bright, you note the mailer you are looking at shows the quote clearly
marked as being from an Op-Ed. The article notes that a subsequent mailer made
the correction. You got that mailer, not the original. Boyd Matheson has
come under attack in this thread. I didn't follow him at the Sutherland
Institute, but have been impressed with him since he became opinion editor. I
also like Doug Wilkes and appreciate his column on the news room. I would say
what I like about Wilkes but am wary of having my comment rejected for being off
If you have trouble understanding what is an "Op-Ed", try reading
In spite of the fact that most Deseret News readers support Mia Love, it was
good to see the editors clearly state that Love's flier is a
misrepresentation.Love and her staff can try to finesse and
dissemble in hopes of bamboozling her supporters, but it's still a
misrepresentation. Besides, they don't care. After all, most of them went
Not a Love fan but McMuffin is weak in his conviction and seems to sell out
depending on who influences him. Sad that these are our choices but at least we
know what we have with Love — From what I have seen McMuffin will sell out
to the highest bidder.
Re: "Editors of the Deseret News raised concerns about the mailer."No doubt. They are, after all, anti-Love partisans. What
else could we expect from them, when given a chance to disingenuously smear
Mia?Her office was clearly not trying to increase the credibility of
the quoted statement by reference to DN, since that would be much more likely to
decrease, rather than increase credibility and persuasiveness.
I like Mia's philosophies better than Ben's overall. I think they are
both fundamentally good people. This story is focusing on a single issue: Was
the flyer misleading?Yes. Mia and whoever advises her blew it on this one.
And then blew it again with the non-apology. "Nothing that can well be
explained should be left a mystery." James Fenimore Cooper
The article has nothing to do with Trump, yet many comments are directed at
Trump and the honesty issue. Lest we forget, the end of honesty in politics
started well before Trump or Love. Under the "Clinton Doctrine" it is
okay to lie. Remember how William Jefferson Clinton lied about Lewinsky, and
the Democrats and press gave him a pass? That opened the door for Obama to get
elected and re-elected despite his lies regarding Obamacare, taxation, and
numerous other issues. Very interesting to hear the left now talk about
honesty. If you really care, denounce the Clintons.
I’m looking at Ms. Love’s flyer right now. The quotes are very
clearly identified as “-Op-Ed, Deseret News, Feb. 26, 2018” and
“-Op-Ed, Deseret News, May 29, 2018”. It’s correct that the
authors of the pieces weren’t named but I guess Love’s campaign is
giving constituents credit for understanding the difference between an Op-Ed
piece and a news story. There’s nothing deceptive here. Nothing here
slamming her Democratic challenger. There are definitely things during political
campaigns to get riled up about - this isn’t one of them.
The mailer was definitely dishonest, and the Love campaign should apologize for
the misattribution.But at the same time, the Deseret News has
certainly not done a sufficient job of distinguishing heavily partisan op-eds
from journalistic editorial opinions. There are instances when op-eds written by
experts standing at least somewhat above the political fray could legitimately
stand next to the paper's journalistic opinion pieces without much
distinction. But when partisan voices and people with a strong financial stake
in an issue send the DN arguments for their own interests, the DN needs to make
it absolutely unmistakable that this is neither journalism nor the paper's
stance.Frankly, enshrining Boyd Matheson as opinion editor early
this year after two years of running far too many of his (then more clearly
partisan) op-eds on behalf of the Sutherland Institute has badly undermined the
paper's ability to make this distinction.
McAdams is right on this one. Love makes it sound as thought the
Deseret News were patting her on the back, which is huge in the LDS community.
This, coupled with her unsubstantiated claims the McAdams supports
"unrestricted abortion" and that he supports Nancy Pelosi for Speaker,
shows that the Love campaign is either desperate, afraid or dishonest. You
@ Misseleer71 "Most of the Republican work is behind closed doors
anymore and its very risky to be publicly responsive to news media in Washington
to destroy our greatest president ever with lies and deception to destroy any of
our republicans who support Trump."Thank you, Boris. I know
Trump owes your Russian bosses a lot of money and they won't get it when
he's in jail. But "greatest president ever"? Real Americans are
flying off the Trump Train and you'll soon be reporting to Putin that the
train ride is over. Will you let Trump immigrate to Russia? We don't want
him here. He's a traitor.
Why was the Deseret News even mentioned in her flyer? Why was the true author
of the statement not mentioned?The answers are obvious. And Ms Love
has a chance to answer honestly, but she refuses to do that. The fact that
someone approved the flyer doesn't mean that they did so understanding that
Ms Love misrepresented the source of her quotation.Typical politics.
Mia Love isn't the most competent politician, but that doesn't mean
I'm going to vote for a Democrat.
Love is no different than her boss Donald Trump. Truth doesn't matter in
the political world anymore. Politics today is the skid marks of society. And it
I was quite surprised how many Ben signs there are around the south Salt Lake
valley - the typical Bastion of Republicanism.
Looks like some of the Donald has rolled over to Mia. It was good for the
Deseret News, a publication that tends to support Republicans, had the largess
to point out this unfair politically motivated deception.
Yep. That's dishonest. Both the flyer and the excuse making smell like a
If candidate A must resort to slippery, misleading claims to make their case,
then why vote for that candidate?The party of trump has said so of
Clinton and all things Democratic. Why the double standard?
District Judge Laura Scott ruled Mountain Accord violated Utah's open
meeting, and open records laws.Mayor Ben McAdams ran the shady
Mountain Accord which wasted $8 million with nothing to show for the $8 million
other than. "Hey, a couple of more winter buses would be helpful."
"Hey, let's create more federal Wilderness in a State with 30 million
federal acres which is already 69% federal land.Mr. McAdams is a
lawyer, and experienced gov't employee. How did Mr. McAdams
not know he was breaking the laws or that Utah has too much federal lands
Sounds like a tempest in a teapot. As for high taxes it is true that a lot of
state and local agencies want to raise taxes which sort of torpedo Mr.
Trump's tax cut. As for education the best is home school, next best
vouchers. In Baltimore 16 high schools mainly with black children read at the
3rd grade level despite $15,000 a year per child and $60,000 plus salaries for
teachers. I don't see that as fair. Black children need good education
too. The answer: vouchers and school choice. IF you show up with a voucher you
are the customer and the school has to please you or lose you.
November is so far away.........
This is a big deal? Come on Ben you can do better. I like both of them.
It’s too bad Ben has a d behind his name. I can’t vote for a
democrat because their party stands for things that I can’t tolerate. DN
won’t print what they are. I grew up in a Democrat household with a grand
dad that was a high ranking dem. The party is not same now.
Shame on Utah voters if they continue to put their head in the sand and keep
Love in DC
Who are we the voters to say what Mia Love is doing in Washington, DC? Most of
the Republican work is behind closed doors anymore and its very risky to be
publicly responsive to news media in Washington to destroy our greatest
president ever with lies and deception to destroy any of our republicans who
support Trump.I don't trust McAdams at all, he is a hard core
democrat who will not cooperate with border security and ridding this country of
illegal aliens who murders, and undocumented slave labors Utah so desperately
relies on to aggravate Americans rights and support illegals marching and
whining about our citizen rights, are being violated. Also McAdams is a land
grabber forcing our Utah farmers to surrender land to the state government for
developers to destroy wet lands and habitat.I don't see
anything in this add that is wrong or should be condemned. McAdams is a known
hater of our Constitutional government and citizens rights to control the
government and has demonstrated his blatant disrespect for the citizens of Utah,
he is the liar and subversive angel of evil government representation.
This sort of conduct by Mia Love is now a pattern: she has skirted election law
and misrepresented communications on multiple occasions.
Forgive me for saying "make mustard" when the correct term is "pass
muster."Also, it does bother me that such a mailer comes at taxpayer
expense. Everything that is legal is not necessarily ethical. And, that every
politicians does it, doesn't make it right.
I agree with McAdams on this one. It is dishonest.
So, water rocket, to say McAdams is resorting to negative campaigning
doesn't make mustard with me. McAdams is right for pointing out that Mia
gave a less-than-honest attribution. He is discussing an issue, for if someone
gives improper attribution, that should be an issue. He is not being petty. This
should be important. If we want honest politicians, we should consider their
honesty. Is McAdams wrong for using the word "dishonest" in describing
what Mia did? Is he stooping to name calling, as you say? I think the word
applies in a descriptive fashion to what Mia did. It is not like he is saying
she is a "stupid idiot," which would be a derogatory label tossed around
without backing substance. Mia Love is a wonderful representative, but
this does not fall in the category of one of the wonderful things she has done.
". . . we want honest politicians . . ." -- water rocketBless Mia.
Love her. Still might vote for her. But this was wrong. If you are going to
quote someone, you say who you are quoting. Using a quote with no other
attribution than that it came from the Deseret News does imply it is the Deseret
News speaking. Mia Love is a great person, but she stumbled on this one. And,
stumbles a second time by defending her action.
Very sad when Mia uses her people's opinions as proof she is serving ALl
her constituents instead of the real facts. Truth is needed, not a dance around
I've seen the mailer and it's clearly intentionally misleading. It
would be the same as if I wrote a letter to the editor of the NY Times, it gets
published and I then suggest the NY Times wrote it.But I honestly
hope most people are not basing their decision on whom to vote for on a mailer
from one of the candidates. Moreover I hope most realize Mia Love had little to
do with this legislation, even if it was the right thing to do.
I have said it before, and I will continue to say it until I am cold in my
grave: One of the biggest turn offs during election time is negative
campaigning. Confucius say, "He (or she) who throws mud losses ground."
Unfortunately, negative campaigning also turns off the voting public.
Consequently, we have fewer and fewer people voting.Please,
candidates, tell us what you think you can do to make things better. We know
what the problems are: Higher and higher taxes, failed education that gives us
homeless people who are unprepared to take care of themselves, services that
were once paid for by our property taxes are now being directly billed to us
(while the taxes still go up), and here is a big one, we want honest
politicians who put the public's interests ahead of their own self
interests. Now, do you think you can address any of these issues, or would you
prefer to be petty, and stoop to name calling?