Rep. Mia Love defends mailer that opponent Ben McAdams calls 'dishonest'

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  • SusanScrubOak Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 6, 2018 5:38 p.m.

    The most significant bipartisan legislation is probably the continued funding for wars in 7 countries the US has never followed the US Constitution to declare war against. Neither Mia Love nor Ben McAdams has addressed these wars and both will vote to continue them.

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 5, 2018 10:19 a.m.

    One of the things Utahns need to really look at is not just voting for someone because they are Republican or Mormon. Sometimes neither of these mean anything. Look at the extreme right-wing Republicans we have in Congress and what they are doing to our country. We need more centrists individuals that have the ability to come together and work hard to solve our country's problems. We need to walk away from candidates that are too far to the right or left and that fuel devisivness, and that are not willing to listen to and meet with their constituents.

  • ConservativeCommonTater West Valley City, UT
    Aug. 4, 2018 10:02 p.m.

    Missileer

    "I don't see anything in this add that is wrong or should be condemned. McAdams is a known hater of our Constitutional government and citizens rights to control the government and has demonstrated his blatant disrespect for the citizens of Utah, he is the liar and subversive angel of evil government representation."

    Thanks for defending the indefensible actions of one of your Mormon Republicans. Not much "Party First" in your comment.

    Care to explain how "McAdams is a known hater of our Constitutional government and citizens rights...blah, blah, blah.

    A whole lot of partisan hyperbole and right wing parroting, but not a single citation to support your "speculation" and hyperbole.

    How did your comment pass the scrutiny of the D-News censors? Oh yeah, pro-Mormon Republican, anti-Dem. That's all that's needed.

  • ERB Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 4, 2018 6:58 p.m.

    McAdams' main problem is that he has a track record as a major liberal. Even if Love isn't perfect, McAdams isn't who should've run against her in a Conservative district. A moderate might've had a chance.

  • Million Riverton, UT
    Aug. 4, 2018 3:29 p.m.

    My biggest problem is the unknown with the National Debt which the Republicans were going to take care of when they got into power. So what did they do? Made it a lot worse with the tax breaks for the rich.

  • suzyk#1 Mount Pleasant, UT
    Aug. 4, 2018 1:33 p.m.

    I don't think she (Mia) knows the meaning of integrity...

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 4, 2018 1:27 p.m.

    People, in general, are sick of dirty politics, dishonesty, fraud, lies, and interference in their elections regardless of the party. The primary goal of any politician should be to try and avoid these things. In general, they are not practiced in walking a higher road but they should at least give it an earnest effort.

  • John Jackson Sandy, UT
    Aug. 4, 2018 12:45 p.m.

    Sonny N. Bright, you note the mailer you are looking at shows the quote clearly marked as being from an Op-Ed. The article notes that a subsequent mailer made the correction. You got that mailer, not the original.
    Boyd Matheson has come under attack in this thread. I didn't follow him at the Sutherland Institute, but have been impressed with him since he became opinion editor. I also like Doug Wilkes and appreciate his column on the news room. I would say what I like about Wilkes but am wary of having my comment rejected for being off topic.

  • agpond Saint George, UT
    Aug. 4, 2018 12:09 p.m.

    If you have trouble understanding what is an "Op-Ed", try reading Dodd-Frank.

  • Steve C. Warren WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Aug. 4, 2018 11:22 a.m.

    In spite of the fact that most Deseret News readers support Mia Love, it was good to see the editors clearly state that Love's flier is a misrepresentation.

    Love and her staff can try to finesse and dissemble in hopes of bamboozling her supporters, but it's still a misrepresentation. Besides, they don't care. After all, most of them went for Trump.

  • mightymite , 00
    Aug. 4, 2018 11:09 a.m.

    Not a Love fan but McMuffin is weak in his conviction and seems to sell out depending on who influences him. Sad that these are our choices but at least we know what we have with Love — From what I have seen McMuffin will sell out to the highest bidder.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Aug. 4, 2018 10:16 a.m.

    Re: "Editors of the Deseret News raised concerns about the mailer."

    No doubt. They are, after all, anti-Love partisans.

    What else could we expect from them, when given a chance to disingenuously smear Mia?

    Her office was clearly not trying to increase the credibility of the quoted statement by reference to DN, since that would be much more likely to decrease, rather than increase credibility and persuasiveness.

  • Imprimis American Fork, UT
    Aug. 4, 2018 10:09 a.m.

    I like Mia's philosophies better than Ben's overall. I think they are both fundamentally good people. This story is focusing on a single issue: Was the flyer misleading?
    Yes. Mia and whoever advises her blew it on this one. And then blew it again with the non-apology.
    "Nothing that can well be explained should be left a mystery." James Fenimore Cooper

  • SGU84770 St. George, UT
    Aug. 4, 2018 10:06 a.m.

    The article has nothing to do with Trump, yet many comments are directed at Trump and the honesty issue. Lest we forget, the end of honesty in politics started well before Trump or Love. Under the "Clinton Doctrine" it is okay to lie. Remember how William Jefferson Clinton lied about Lewinsky, and the Democrats and press gave him a pass? That opened the door for Obama to get elected and re-elected despite his lies regarding Obamacare, taxation, and numerous other issues. Very interesting to hear the left now talk about honesty. If you really care, denounce the Clintons.

  • Sonny N. Bright Taylorsville, UT
    Aug. 4, 2018 9:38 a.m.

    I’m looking at Ms. Love’s flyer right now. The quotes are very clearly identified as “-Op-Ed, Deseret News, Feb. 26, 2018” and “-Op-Ed, Deseret News, May 29, 2018”. It’s correct that the authors of the pieces weren’t named but I guess Love’s campaign is giving constituents credit for understanding the difference between an Op-Ed piece and a news story. There’s nothing deceptive here. Nothing here slamming her Democratic challenger. There are definitely things during political campaigns to get riled up about - this isn’t one of them.

  • Prodicus Provo, UT
    Aug. 4, 2018 9:17 a.m.

    The mailer was definitely dishonest, and the Love campaign should apologize for the misattribution.

    But at the same time, the Deseret News has certainly not done a sufficient job of distinguishing heavily partisan op-eds from journalistic editorial opinions. There are instances when op-eds written by experts standing at least somewhat above the political fray could legitimately stand next to the paper's journalistic opinion pieces without much distinction. But when partisan voices and people with a strong financial stake in an issue send the DN arguments for their own interests, the DN needs to make it absolutely unmistakable that this is neither journalism nor the paper's stance.

    Frankly, enshrining Boyd Matheson as opinion editor early this year after two years of running far too many of his (then more clearly partisan) op-eds on behalf of the Sutherland Institute has badly undermined the paper's ability to make this distinction.

  • DonO Draper, UT
    Aug. 4, 2018 9:11 a.m.

    McAdams is right on this one.

    Love makes it sound as thought the Deseret News were patting her on the back, which is huge in the LDS community. This, coupled with her unsubstantiated claims the McAdams supports "unrestricted abortion" and that he supports Nancy Pelosi for Speaker, shows that the Love campaign is either desperate, afraid or dishonest. You choose.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Aug. 4, 2018 8:58 a.m.

    @ Misseleer71
    "Most of the Republican work is behind closed doors anymore and its very risky to be publicly responsive to news media in Washington to destroy our greatest president ever with lies and deception to destroy any of our republicans who support Trump."

    Thank you, Boris. I know Trump owes your Russian bosses a lot of money and they won't get it when he's in jail. But "greatest president ever"? Real Americans are flying off the Trump Train and you'll soon be reporting to Putin that the train ride is over. Will you let Trump immigrate to Russia? We don't want him here. He's a traitor.

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    Aug. 4, 2018 8:20 a.m.

    Why was the Deseret News even mentioned in her flyer? Why was the true author of the statement not mentioned?

    The answers are obvious. And Ms Love has a chance to answer honestly, but she refuses to do that. The fact that someone approved the flyer doesn't mean that they did so understanding that Ms Love misrepresented the source of her quotation.

    Typical politics.

  • t_mca Herriman, UT
    Aug. 4, 2018 8:11 a.m.

    Mia Love isn't the most competent politician, but that doesn't mean I'm going to vote for a Democrat.

  • kolob1 Sandy, UT
    Aug. 4, 2018 8:08 a.m.

    Love is no different than her boss Donald Trump. Truth doesn't matter in the political world anymore. Politics today is the skid marks of society. And it stinks!

  • Million Riverton, UT
    Aug. 4, 2018 7:11 a.m.

    I was quite surprised how many Ben signs there are around the south Salt Lake valley - the typical Bastion of Republicanism.

  • rhodger Cedar City, UT
    Aug. 4, 2018 6:35 a.m.

    Looks like some of the Donald has rolled over to Mia. It was good for the Deseret News, a publication that tends to support Republicans, had the largess to point out this unfair politically motivated deception.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    Aug. 4, 2018 6:32 a.m.

    Yep. That's dishonest. Both the flyer and the excuse making smell like a Trump technique.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    Aug. 4, 2018 6:30 a.m.

    If candidate A must resort to slippery, misleading claims to make their case, then why vote for that candidate?

    The party of trump has said so of Clinton and all things Democratic. Why the double standard?

  • Red Smith American Fork, UT
    Aug. 4, 2018 6:25 a.m.

    District Judge Laura Scott ruled Mountain Accord violated Utah's open meeting, and open records laws.

    Mayor Ben McAdams ran the shady Mountain Accord which wasted $8 million with nothing to show for the $8 million other than. "Hey, a couple of more winter buses would be helpful." "Hey, let's create more federal Wilderness in a State with 30 million federal acres which is already 69% federal land.

    Mr. McAdams is a lawyer, and experienced gov't employee.

    How did Mr. McAdams not know he was breaking the laws or that Utah has too much federal lands already?

  • What in Tucket Provo, UT
    Aug. 4, 2018 6:24 a.m.

    Sounds like a tempest in a teapot. As for high taxes it is true that a lot of state and local agencies want to raise taxes which sort of torpedo Mr. Trump's tax cut. As for education the best is home school, next best vouchers. In Baltimore 16 high schools mainly with black children read at the 3rd grade level despite $15,000 a year per child and $60,000 plus salaries for teachers. I don't see that as fair. Black children need good education too. The answer: vouchers and school choice. IF you show up with a voucher you are the customer and the school has to please you or lose you.

  • mrjj69 bountiful, UT
    Aug. 4, 2018 6:23 a.m.

    November is so far away.........

  • ute alumni Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 4, 2018 6:14 a.m.

    This is a big deal? Come on Ben you can do better. I like both of them. It’s too bad Ben has a d behind his name. I can’t vote for a democrat because their party stands for things that I can’t tolerate. DN won’t print what they are. I grew up in a Democrat household with a grand dad that was a high ranking dem. The party is not same now.

  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    Aug. 4, 2018 4:40 a.m.

    Shame on Utah voters if they continue to put their head in the sand and keep Love in DC

  • Misseleer71 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 4, 2018 2:25 a.m.

    Who are we the voters to say what Mia Love is doing in Washington, DC? Most of the Republican work is behind closed doors anymore and its very risky to be publicly responsive to news media in Washington to destroy our greatest president ever with lies and deception to destroy any of our republicans who support Trump.

    I don't trust McAdams at all, he is a hard core democrat who will not cooperate with border security and ridding this country of illegal aliens who murders, and undocumented slave labors Utah so desperately relies on to aggravate Americans rights and support illegals marching and whining about our citizen rights, are being violated. Also McAdams is a land grabber forcing our Utah farmers to surrender land to the state government for developers to destroy wet lands and habitat.

    I don't see anything in this add that is wrong or should be condemned. McAdams is a known hater of our Constitutional government and citizens rights to control the government and has demonstrated his blatant disrespect for the citizens of Utah, he is the liar and subversive angel of evil government representation.

  • TMR Pasadena, CA
    Aug. 4, 2018 1:39 a.m.

    This sort of conduct by Mia Love is now a pattern: she has skirted election law and misrepresented communications on multiple occasions.

  • John Jackson Sandy, UT
    Aug. 4, 2018 12:32 a.m.

    Forgive me for saying "make mustard" when the correct term is "pass muster."
    Also, it does bother me that such a mailer comes at taxpayer expense. Everything that is legal is not necessarily ethical. And, that every politicians does it, doesn't make it right.

  • Basketballgirl75 Provo, , UT
    Aug. 3, 2018 10:17 p.m.

    I agree with McAdams on this one. It is dishonest.

  • John Jackson Sandy, UT
    Aug. 3, 2018 10:15 p.m.

    So, water rocket, to say McAdams is resorting to negative campaigning doesn't make mustard with me. McAdams is right for pointing out that Mia gave a less-than-honest attribution. He is discussing an issue, for if someone gives improper attribution, that should be an issue. He is not being petty. This should be important. If we want honest politicians, we should consider their honesty. Is McAdams wrong for using the word "dishonest" in describing what Mia did? Is he stooping to name calling, as you say? I think the word applies in a descriptive fashion to what Mia did. It is not like he is saying she is a "stupid idiot," which would be a derogatory label tossed around without backing substance.
    Mia Love is a wonderful representative, but this does not fall in the category of one of the wonderful things she has done.

  • John Jackson Sandy, UT
    Aug. 3, 2018 10:14 p.m.

    ". . . we want honest politicians . . ." -- water rocket
    Bless Mia. Love her. Still might vote for her. But this was wrong. If you are going to quote someone, you say who you are quoting. Using a quote with no other attribution than that it came from the Deseret News does imply it is the Deseret News speaking. Mia Love is a great person, but she stumbled on this one. And, stumbles a second time by defending her action.

  • Utah_Happyman Orem, UT
    Aug. 3, 2018 9:32 p.m.

    Very sad when Mia uses her people's opinions as proof she is serving ALl her constituents instead of the real facts. Truth is needed, not a dance around the law.

  • liberate Sandy, UT
    Aug. 3, 2018 7:48 p.m.

    I've seen the mailer and it's clearly intentionally misleading. It would be the same as if I wrote a letter to the editor of the NY Times, it gets published and I then suggest the NY Times wrote it.

    But I honestly hope most people are not basing their decision on whom to vote for on a mailer from one of the candidates. Moreover I hope most realize Mia Love had little to do with this legislation, even if it was the right thing to do.

  • water rocket Magna, UT
    Aug. 3, 2018 7:20 p.m.

    I have said it before, and I will continue to say it until I am cold in my grave: One of the biggest turn offs during election time is negative campaigning. Confucius say, "He (or she) who throws mud losses ground." Unfortunately, negative campaigning also turns off the voting public. Consequently, we have fewer and fewer people voting.

    Please, candidates, tell us what you think you can do to make things better. We know what the problems are: Higher and higher taxes, failed education that gives us homeless people who are unprepared to take care of themselves, services that were once paid for by our property taxes are now being directly billed to us (while the taxes still go up), and here is a big one, we want honest politicians who put the public's interests ahead of their own self interests. Now, do you think you can address any of these issues, or would you prefer to be petty, and stoop to name calling?