1st amendment rights matter as much as 2nd amendment. This said, everyone needs
to stop the ugly rhetoric on all sides. It speaks poorly of people that do it
and our country.
Mad HatterYou are absolutely right about people living in their
comfort zone and defending the "news" media that support their chosen
narrative. The "news" organizations you listed in your prior post
clearly demonstrate where your comfort zone is. You and I clearly disagree on
this matter, so I bid you farewell and wish you and yours happiness and success.
clarkfran - Los Angeles, CAJuly 30, 2018 3:20 p.m."If your
idea of "the golden age of journalism" is the "excellent
Journalism" coming from your list of mostly undisputed liberal-biased,
anti-Trump "news organizations", then clearly you have a much different
definition of what a golden age means. "You choose the
"news" according to what you want to reinforce, whatever point-of-view
you prefer. Saying the journalism I suggest is " mostly undisputed
liberal-biased, anti-Trump "news organizations"", then there is not
much to discuss, is there? Many people want to live in their comfort zones. If
you are committed to Donald Trump, you don't want to hear anything
negative. If you are truly unbiased (or as unpartisan as you can be), then you
might see the value of these news organizations.It's not a
difficult concept. That's why Trump works so hard to discredit these news
organizations. He doesn't want any criticism from anyone, period. So
it's all "fake news". His greatest fear is being exposed for what
he is and what he has done. Ask him if he knew about the Trump Tower meeting and
he says "No". Does than mean he didn't know? Or is he only saying
that to protect himself?
Matt hadder"The new golden age of journalism"All of a
sudden the comments fit the name of the poster.OBTW: Fox owner
Murdoch, is a liberal democrat.
In believing big-media, you believed Donald Trump had no chance of being the
President. Believing big-media, you got all stoked up paranoid thinking
'the Russians' did it. As often as they are wrong, I don't
blame President Trump one bit for fighting back.
What new company isn't objective? All of them are and every single one of
them is full of bias. They have always been just the same deceades before Trump
go into office and they will be just the same long after he's gone. I
don't think a 100% factual news source exists anywhere on this planet.
Mad HatterIf your idea of "the golden age of journalism" is
the "excellent Journalism" coming from your list of mostly undisputed
liberal-biased, anti-Trump "news organizations", then clearly you have a
much different definition of what a golden age means. Maybe you think it means
when "journalists" use their platforms to ignore news that doesn't
match their biased narrative, lean heavily on quotes from un-named sources,
don't bather to fact-check, and attack the president's family members.
The rest of us mourn the current state of toxic, agenda-driven "news
Mackenzie Iwamoto: "They must produced a specific format of the show for
Victor, ID because when I ever watch Fox News, I never see anything like what
you describe."If what you say is true, then you are right, we
ARE seeing different versions of Fox News! All I know is when I watch Fox News,
I always hear both sides of any issue so I have to believe what I see and hear,
not what other people hear and see! “We see the world, not as it is, but
as we are──or, as we are conditioned to see it.” Stephen R.
clarkfran - Los Angeles, CAJuly 29, 2018 12:52 p.m."The
media and their "journalists" have brought upon themselves the contempt
and distrust the president and many other people feel towards them."The only people who have come to have contempt and distrust for the
media are the Trumpies who believe Donald Trump's attacks on the media. The
excellent journalism we see coming out of the NY Times, Washington Post, Wall
Street Journal, The Atlantic, Vanity Fair, and the other news organizations we
are fortunate to have in this country is astounding. It's become a new
Golden Age of Journalism in the midst of a concerted effort to control and
manipulate the news.Trump has applied his basic tactic of
pre-emptive strike to manipulate information about himself. He began by
attacking the CIA and other intelligence services to discredit their work
regarding his international financial activities and his dealings with Vladimir
Putin and the Russian government and banks.Then he turned his
attention against American news media, FBI, and Justice Department when damaging
information began to come out that might damage his campaign during the
Republican primary. [More]1of 2
2 of 2When the sex scandals started coming out of the woodwork about
Trump being a sex predator and the accusations of sexual assault, there was the
need to cast doubt and suggest the women accusers were lying. So Trump lied.
Even when evidence in the Access Hollywood tape developed, Trump loyalists
searched for an excuse for his behavior and came up with "locker room
talk" despite all the evidence of adultery and his sexual escapades. Also, there was more information of Trump's business activities,
his inability to get financing from American banks and Russian
"investors" laundering money through The Trump Organization. More is yet
to come out of this and it is necessary for Trump to keep it out of the news
cycle.The Russia investigation is seeing a major effort by Trump to
escape scrutiny. Calling the Russian interference "a hoax", after Putin
confirmed that he wanted Trump as president and had Russian efforts put in place
to help him, is disingenuous A person would have to be blind and deaf not to see
and hear what was said at the Helsinki summit. And now we have been told by a
knowledgeable source that Trump knew about the Trump Tower meeting with the
@Lou Montana. According to the statistics, the majority of Americans
don’t believe Trump or the press.The disturbing thing is that
the majority of Democrats believe the press most of the time (as long as it is
saying the same things they already believe).
Thid Barker - Victor, IDJuly 30, 2018 12:24 p.m.?Every time I
have watched Fox News, I have witnessed that they have guests debating both
sides of every issue! Never seen that on fake news, never! The question is why?
BIAS! There you have it!?They must produced a specific format of the
show for Victor, ID because when I ever watch Fox News, I never see anything
like what you describe. So-called "Free and Balanced" was a marketing
gimmick concocted by Roger Ailes to give listeners the impression that Fox was
like every other legitimate news program instead of it being a propaganda
vehicle.If people only paid attention, they would find that the
"debate" was skewed toward the Fox agenda which now has become the Trump
Ministry of Propaganda. There is no news there except with the few real
journalists in the company's employ. However, the programs with the highest
ratings by typical Fox viewers like 'Fox & Friends',
'Hannity', and the other opinion programs are all conservative pablum
for the audience to reinforce conservative views and biases.Fox is
not journalism. "Fair and Balanced" is not fair and balanced. It is a
conservative network pushing a conservative agenda.
Hey Fully Present -Re: "The real question is can the country as
a whole. ALL sides, stop the uncivilized and hateful rhetoric, and tell the
truth, the whole truth?""ALL sides?"That's another false equivalency. The "conservative" side lies
much, much, much more than moderates or liberals do.And the lyingest
liar in the land, Donald J Trump, leads the charge.Hey Worf - Re: "Will someone define freedom of the press? Does it mean bearing
false witness and gossip."No, it means reporting facts. And THAT
is exactly what Donald Trump and his supporters hate about truth tellers. Truth
tellers tell the truth.That's why our mendacious and ridiculous
POTUS and his minions disparage and demonize the legitimate press, institutions
of higher education, and even science itself. Truth tellers tell the truth. Trump and his "conservatives" hate that.Hey
Sportsfan123 -Re: "The mainstream media continues to portray
trump as an evil person and a horrible president . . . "See
what I mean? You Trump supporters hate and fear the truth.Vladimir
Trump IS an evil person and a horrible president. Face the facts.
Hey Thid Baker -Re: "I have witnessed that they have guests
debating both sides of every issue! Never seen that on fake news, never!
"Well Fox "News" is the REAL fake news, and the lies
they tell are supported only by more lies from the lying liars that back the
lying liar in the White House.Sure . . . Sometimes Fox will give
time to a moderate or liberal, but it's usually heavily censored.On Fox, lies prevail. That's why Trump LOVES Fox "News."
HA!! The NY Times wants the president to be nice to the media and then that same
media attack his wife and daughter in the most vulgar manner. Go figure. The NY
Times is losing customers and so are the rest. People are sick of the same ole
vulgar slanted hate from the media so they are turning them off and instead just
finding other internet sites that are faith based that they can trust.
Traditional journalism is dead in America.
worf - McAllen, TXJuly 30, 2018 12:49 p.m."Will someone
define freedom of the press? Does it mean bearing false witness and
gossip?"In TrumpWorld criticism and exposure of the Dear
Leader's many secrets is "fake news". Perhaps a person really loyal
to the Dear Leader would say it is "bearing false witness and gossip",
although that same person doesn't seem to mind the many documented lies of
the Dear Leader as minor character flaws. From Donald Trump's mouth to
God's ears. He is their new Truth. And Fox News is the conduit for his
Truth.We can go on and on reciting Trump's history of lying to
protect himself, to advance his personal and business interests, and his
mean-spirited attempts to ruin people who challenge him.It doesn't
penetrate the Trumpie in defense of the Dear Leader against the "fake
news" they call any negative news media coverage. They just don't want
to hear it. Such information interferes with the image they've conjured up
about the man and his "infallibility". Like the ostrich that
sticks his head in the sand, many of Trump's avid supporters would rather
not hear of Trump's potential crimes lest they question their own vote. He
is their new religion.
The real question is can the country as a whole. ALL sides, stop the uncivilized
and hateful rhetoric, and tell the truth, the whole truth?
Will someone define freedom of the press? Does it mean bearing false witness
and gossip?Some would argue freedom of the press but condemn Trumps
freedom of speech.Yes! Truth offends many.
Every time I have watched Fox News, I have witnessed that they have guests
debating both sides of every issue! Never seen that on fake news, never! The
question is why? BIAS! There you have it!
I always laugh when conservatives complain about the liberal bias of certain
media outlets. They always seem to forget the conservative bias of media
outlets such as Fox News (the champion of Fake News), Washington Times,
Washington Examiner, Wall Street Journal, Sinclair Media, etc. See - it all
balances out - no need to whine and pout.
Re: "Trump also claimed that 90 percent of the coverage of his
administration is negative . . . "That's not right.99% of what Trump says and does is bad for the country, and ONLY 90% of
media coverage is negative? The media needs to step up its game.Hey
Harrison Bergeron -Re: "Nobody seems to understand the First
Amendment anymore."But you "conservatives" have a
perfect understanding of the 1st amendment, don't you? That's why
people now feel free to walk into newsrooms and exercise their 1st AND 2nd
amendment rights, expressing themselves by gunning down journalists. How does
our president describe the news media?" . . . the enemy of the
people." – Donald J TrumpFace it folks: When Republicans
win, America LOSES. That's why America's enemies help Republicans win
elections here.Hey SLars -Re: "Trump is expected to
reduce his rhetoric, but the media isn't?"The fourth estate
will continue to do its job and report the facts . . . As Trump continues to do
his job for Vladimir Putin and further weaens America.Did you see
the Time Magazine with Vladimir Trump on the cover? The first amendment is
alive and well, despite the Party of Treason and its leaders.
The mainstream media continues to portray trump as an evil person and a horrible
president - yet they have the audacity to demand trump to stop the anti media
rhetoric, please!The repugnant personality of trump who exhibits
personality traits such as arrogance, narcissism and pompous attitude are the
same characteristics of the left who uses uninhibited fallacies about trump in a
nihilistic and sophistry manner.Trump literally is fighting fire
with fire. Trump is a U.S. citizen he has the same freedom of speech we do and
as long as the left continues to propagate falsehoods using the media with the
intent to deceive the masses I give trump a pass no matter how repugnant he can
be. The mainstream media has become in fact the propaganda arm of
the leftist democrats, trump threatens their agenda to fundamentally change
america into a socialist country, barry soetoro did a great job of furthering
that agenda and the left loathes the idea of a centrist president who values
america the way it was before the globalist agenda that started with the first
pres bush and undo all of their efforts.Russia is not our biggest
problem, the democratic socialists are our biggest threat.
Being outnumbered a thousand to one,--Trump battles and army of angry, hateful,
anti-Trump reporters and is winning.Ever heard the rhetoric on CNN
news/gossip? They create contention. Not Trump or the Russians.Dictators promote poverty and suffering while patriots advances prosperity.
By their fruits you shall know the difference.
Donald Trump is the type of leader our Founding Fathers knew would come along
and try to consolidate power to himself. That is why Freedom of the Press is
part of the First Amendment to the Constitution. The inspiration of those
Founding Fathers is astounding. Sorry Trump - they saw you coming.
Lou: "Nothing Trump ever says is backed up by facts." Well that's
YOUR opinion but the fact is President Trump's job approval numbers in many
polls are going up, not down! If you compare his job approval numbers with
Obama's, President Trump's overall numbers are higher! Go figure!
I one hundred percent agree with Desert Pete. I visit multiple news sites
online, both liberal and conservative. It is amazing how a a news story will
get twisted and changed. Strange it always works out against Trump.The Problem
with our Press today is it is only about ratings or a Political Agenda. The
Press was originally started by our founders, to be a voice of he people to
decent against government policies or laws .Now it is become a bully pulpit
for big corporations and lobbyist trying to destroy our traditional morality and
values and push their agenda.
Trump continues to take pages out the Nazi playbook. Calling the
media the enemy of the people? The Big Lie - "there was no
collusion", "Witchhunt", "Biggest inauguration crowds ever",
etc....Scapegoating ethnic minorities - Muslim travel ban, the wall,
separating parents from children at the border, closing port of entry offices in
other countries, etc....In 2018 we the people need to send a strong
message to Mr. Trump and Mr. Putin.
Donald Trump has made the press the "enemy of the people".Adolph Hitler also made the “LÜgenpresse” [lying press] the
enemy of the people.BTW -- this was the very reason why the founding
fathers put "freedom of the press" in the 1st amendment and not the 2nd
President Trump is just point out the truth about the fake News Liberal Media.
Thid, the majority of Americans believe our press more then Trump.Nothing Trump ever says is backed up by facts.
But it was trump who first used the phrase "enemy of the people" as a
label for the press.Now he's claiming it was the Times?How can anyone believe anything that comes from that man?Incredible.
Here is some news! Washington Times: "Americans' trust and confidence
in the mass media 'to report the news fully, accurately and fairly'
has dropped to its lowest level in Gallup polling history."The
news media destroyed their own credibility! That's why its accurately
called fake news!
RC in WJ - WEST JORDAN, UTJuly 30, 2018 5:56 a.m." the order to
bar Collins likely came from Trump because "he likes to be
respected."You reap what you sow!======Agreed. He has no understanding that respect is something a person has to
Media reporting has become too much about sensationalism and clicks and ratings.
Not just reporting about Trump, either. Twisting words. Using
things intentionally out of context. Headlines that do not accurately indicate
what the supporting article actually says. Oh - and political
correctness getting in the way of reporting reality clearly. Gets
tiresome. But it is what it is and it is all we gave got - so read with your
eyes and ears wide open and your brain fully engaged so you can tell when you
are being played.
Putin wants to undermine western democracies and the pillars that support them.
Trump works for Putin. This was a cheap, disgusting stunt by Trump.The New York Times broke the Hillary email and server story. Trump spent most
of his campaign talking about that. He talked about the server in front of Putin
in Helsinki. When it comes to the media, Trump is like a child who
only wants to eat the red M & M's.
The media is only the enemy of his people that are in his pocket.
Article: After "gestur[ing] toward journalists at the back of the room
[Trump] told [a crowd of his followers] to remember 'what you're
seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening.'"Trump is like the parent who takes a young child to an inappropriate
R-rated movie, expecting to mitigate the harm by covering the child's eyes
and ears before every violent or sexually-charged scene.Trump --
like no other American -- knows the horrors that await as the Mueller
investigation transitions into prosecution phase. Perhaps he is just trying to
protect the gentle spirits of the guileless people he duped. Or maybe Trump
thinks his followers are gullible enough to believe only what he tells them to
believe. It matters not...the end of the movie will be the same regardless.
These folks seem to be able to dish it out ad nauseam, but soon as President
Trump calls a spade a spade, they can't take it anymore. Perhaps if they
actually told the truth for a change instead of just trying to publish anything
and everything to bash the President, even when most of it's just liberal
temper tantrum over the election they can't get over, he wouldn't
react negatively. America voted for Trump, and hopefully will again.
IMO, most trump defenders don't know the difference between opinion and
news.Most of what is consumed like Big Mac's by conservative
viewers is conjecture and propaganda promoted by Fox owner's Murdoch, as
well as the likes of Limbaugh, Breitbart and the multitude of bots/trolls on the
internet.Hard news comes from the mainstream media that fact checks
their sources. Opinion pieces are just that, and tailored for right wing
propensity for overheated rhetoric.
I read an article once that posited that every four years Democrats get about a
billion dollars in free advertising in the form of positive news stories. Every
election cycle there's an 'October' surprise (and I'm not
talking about the kind where the director of the FBI is required by law to
report additional findings to Congress). It's the kind of
'surprise' that the MSM holds on to until it can do the most damage
against a presidential candidate. And it's never about Democrats. Never.
NBC waited until October to release the 'locker room' tapes to help
Clinton; plain and simple. Dan Rather destroyed his career over a fake fitness
report to help Kerry. During the Republican primaries the MSM roots for the
Republican candidate who has the best chance of losing to a Democrat. If the NYT
thinks calling them out for that kind of biased reporting is dangerous for the
country then they should change their behavior. Keep it up Trump.
" the order to bar Collins likely came from Trump because "he likes to
be respected."You reap what you sow!
The disturbing thing to me isn't that Trump blabbed about an off the record
discussion. That's unsurprising.The disturbing thing is that
someone tried to explain to him the dangers of his rhetoric about "fake
news" and "enemies of the people," and rather than understanding the
point of the discussion, Trump promptly launched another Twitter attack about
"fake news" and "enemies of the people." Was that really his
takeaway from the discussion? He couldn't have mangled the purpose of it
any more badly.But we're supposed to take the word of his press
secretary and cabinet that Trump has a total and accurate recollection of a 2
hour meeting with Putin without advisors or notetakers? The
man's inability to process information -- demonstrated time and again by
his basic ignorance, his mendacity, his aides' vying to be the last person
to speak with him because that's what he remembers, and his need to recycle
the same talking points over and over -- is just one more reason he's unfit
for his office. Helsinki was evidence of how that translates into a national
Trump is expected to reduce his rhetoric, but the media isn't?
Nobody seems to understand the First Amendment anymore. Now days people think
freedom of the press means unrestricted access to the president. Freedom of the
press does not grant any reporter access to anyone for any reason ever. It means
the government does not control media content. Access to the president is a
privilege for media. JFK clamped down on media access much harder than Trump.
Richard.... news being biased is nothing new, and not necessarily a bad thing.
Since when has news not been biased? You think the news wasn't biased
during Vietnam? During the Nixon scandal? About Roosevelt? Dewey v.
Truman? Come on.... if people expect news to not have a bias - makes me
question those who didn't think it had a bias.As to the
request..... that is like asking a leopard to change its spots to stripes. It
isn't going to happen. And no one should expect it. And about 41%
don't want it. They like Trump's "plain speak"..... these
are the same that think being nice is a bad thing. A sign of weakness... Don't expect much change over the next 30 months.
A quick trip to the Gallup site shows 61% of America feels news is biased. They brought it upon themselves.
The leftist media is in a panic. President Trump has exposed their bias in a
way no other president has dared to do. This has shot their credibility with a
large segment of the US population. If it wasn't for Fox News we
wouldn't get half of the important news. Furthermore, the President has
bypassed the news media that past presidents relied upon to get their message
out; he informs his base through Twitter and Fox News. It's exhilarating
to watch him put the leftist media bullies in their place! Incidentally,
"dictators" don't restore the right to keep and bear arms to
citizens and appoint Supreme Court justices who consider themselves bound by the
text of the US Constitution.
@pete - "A free press to me is honestly and without prejudice report the
news"Problem is Pete is that has never existed. From the time
of Ben Franklin, papers have had a point of view based on their publisher. What
you are expecting has never existed. That is why it is important to have a
vibrant and free press that represents a multitude of opinions and view
points.The good thing for the Times is since Trump began its
attacking it.... their profits are up... hardly failing. Not sure what I think
Trump is trying to do with all this... actually I do.... but I don't want o
believe we have sunken so low. Playing the the base...
Trump is uber thin skinned. Theres no way to appeade the man. I read
and listen to many different sources of news. I've found the opinion pieces
to be much more slanted than the straight news because they are opinion pieces.
That's what they do. It is wrong-headed to call journalists and the news
media the enemy of the people. We need the press to be our eyes and ears and for
the sake of transparency. If Trump doesn't like the coverage he
can quit doing his Trump thing. Grow up.
All I want is freedom of the press to report the news as accurate as possible.
Many times i watch something live and then hear it reported later in a news
broadcast and hardly recognize the story. They contort the words or events or
report only what fits their narrative or if it is favorable for Trump they
don''t even report. It is true that Trump has given the press a bad
time but many of them had it coming and the main stream media will do all they
can honestly or dishonestly to make him look bad or ignore his accomplishments
---- I' ve lived eighty years and real objective journalism is rare today.
A free press to me is honestly and without prejudice report the news. when news
reporters turn into commentators they need to say this is my opinion of the news
because everyone has an opinion. But they can report accurately the news and say
we report -- You decide.
It is said: "The media and their "journalists" have brought upon
themselves the contempt and distrust the president and many other people feel
towards them."Most of us trust mainstream media, their methods
and their people. This media has shined the bright cleansing light of truth on
the outrageous lies and perfidy of the president and his people.
Maintaining decorum in the White House? Unfortunately for our country, that ship
JWB, expecting news media and journalists to be honest, ethical, and non-biased
is not an attempt to control the press. The media and their
"journalists" have brought upon themselves the contempt and distrust the
president and many other people feel towards them.
All dictators condemn freedom of press.
In Russia the government network is controlled by PUtin. Hopefully, this
won’t be a talk on suppression as that appears what this President
wants.One media outlet States “Democracy Dies in
Darkness.”We don’t want a Germany of the 1930s and
1940s. With the Federal Government not being consistent on honesty and the
Truth, we don’t want the various forms of Press and Media to be controlled
by the government.There is a reason the First Amendment was first.
Democracy dies in darkness.
Trump met with "The failing New York Times"? Hmmmm. If Trump cared 1/3
as much about our Country and Americans as he does about his "ratings"
and media perceptions, we would be much better off.