"This property is some of the nicest available in the state" - yes,
because the people who turned Holladay into what it is now made it that way.
"Old people" are not against some change- they've simply lived long
enough to gather a bit of smarts along the way... urbanizing beautiful Holladay
even further is a mistake. Welcoming crowds from California who are escaping CA
but will nevertheless continue on with their terrible ideas is also a bad
idea.Developers are in it for themselves and city councils are there
for the current residents- period. Yeah, the current parking lot is ugly- but so
will be another megamall full of high-density housing and increased
'diversity' - whatever that's supposed to mean, and that sort of
mix of shopping and urbanized housing does not a community make.Utah
is becoming more and more desirable and attracting tons of folks for many
reasons, but we can definitely say that my ancestors and yours- if you're a
descendant of the pioneers who came here- built this state. No, we don't
want to be stuck in the past. But we DO want to embrace our roots enough, be
wise enough to know once things have become completely urbanized, there's
no going back.
Having lived in Holladay, and would move back there in a heart beat., this is a
good balanced and grounded plan. The days of large lots are gone
except for the uber rich. So this NIMBY is basically SELFISH and playing the
pain in the access obstacle position. Do they have a plan or just opposition.
I will be honest in saying that a 7 story building might be a pain, but the
cemetery is just east of the site, so their are few backyards that will be
inconvenienced.The plan is about the future, not the present. A big
vacant lot and a tacky strip mall ain't the solution. So what
they are proposing exists already. Go the District in Day break where their are
40 shops and eating places. Holladay is almost bereft of eating places and
virtually no shopping venues. You have to drive to Fashion Mall for that. You
saw the old village remodeled totally and the tacky OLD buildings scraped to the
basement and replaced with buildings that are period to the classic times of
Utah and the new contemporary City Creek. Gateway and now Daybreak template.
This development in my opinion would be a great addition to this area. If done
correctly, the diversity this would create in Holliday should be welcome.
Holliday shouldn't be wanting nothing buy McMansions everywhere.
"Quality" density mixed into the McMansions and a walkable entertainment
district would make this area even more desirable. This development is also
better than the old mall that used to be there and is definitely better than a
large empty plot of ground full of weeds. I don't get the opposition at
Give it up already!! The decision has been made.. Housing is needed
throughout the Salt Lake valley. All the complainers are just making a
lot of noises because they do not stand to make lots of money out of the
It looks nice. What's wrong with the people in Holladay?
This property has been an eye sore for years. I applaud the folks that want to
invest the time and money in my community to make something nice, useful and god
forbid, profitable.I applaud my neighbors for their activism but have
never grasped what exactly they wanted? This land was always going to be
developed. The developer already revised the project in compromise and it passed
I'm in the process of moving out of the valley. Had all the traffic &
rat race I can take. But, I'm not quite completely gone yet, so I will
support the people in fighting against this. I am against high density housing
in any form. Single family homes on large lots. Let's keep the crowd to a
The only things certain in life are taxes, change, and death. If you don't
like the changes around you, and you want higher taxes, then, sure fight the
changes that could help with the taxes. Change is inevitable.
I loved the Cottonwood Mall as a teenager and spent many years there shopping,
eating, and watching movies. However, the mall lot and most of the neighboring
commercial property have needed rebirth for almost thirty years. The proposal
looks exciting to me. I only wish I owned property nearby as the value is sure
to raise. This property is some of the nicest available in the state and a
wonderful new center will truly complement the surrounding areas and provide a
walkable live-work-play amenity. In an area with an aging
population, I welcome new housing and services as it brings youth and vitality
@DrVenkman"I find it interesting that so many people complain about
rising housing costs in Utah, but then complain about developments like
this."I find it interesting that this type of development
isn't even allowed in the city where you live. I wonder why."The reality is that Utah is a much different place than it was 10 years
ago and is growing very quickly."Yep and it's awful. The
traffic is a nightmare all the time."If we want more affordable
housing, then developments like this need to move forward. It's simple
supply and demand, really."Really? It's developers
maximizing profits because they can. They'd build a 100 storey apartment
complex if they could get away with it because the developers don't have to
live there. They live in a nice house somewhere in Alpine.
Looks like a very nice development. beats what there is their now.
Classic not in my backyard. You can’t complain about the lack of
affordable housing even in places that force a long commute and refuse to build
higher density housing. That’s just the way it is. All the space between
the lakes and the mountains is used up. The only place to go is up. The suburbia
lifestyle isn’t possible everywhere. The wasatch front is getting to that
point. This isn’t Phoenix, where there’s no lakes and no mountains,
nothing but land. Older generations need to stop being so selfish about
protecting their dear town from growing and changing. It only hurts their
children and grandchildren who are priced out.
The devil is in the details.The petition might be accepted...or it
might not. But the city holds all the cards. They decide if the decision was
administrative or legislative in nature, based on the opinion of the city
attorney.It is clear that the city has spoken. It is also clear that
half the voters didn't like their decision.It seems to me the
question is whether or not this group of organizers has the cash and stamina to
fight city hall...all the way to the Utah Supreme Court.The city is
NOT likely to bend here.
I find it interesting that so many people complain about rising housing costs in
Utah, but then complain about developments like this. The reality is that Utah
is a much different place than it was 10 years ago and is growing very quickly.
If we want more affordable housing, then developments like this need to move
forward. It's simple supply and demand, really. One of the reasons why
places like San Fransisco and Seattle are so expensive is that the government
prevents more housing to be built and tons of people want to live there.
Wow looks nice, guess if you love a big weedy field keep it
Its the classic, "not in my backyard" argument for stopping development.
It seems to me that putting the matter "up to a vote" is not going to
have any effect whatsoever on whether the project goes forward. Instead, if the
folks signing the petition are serious, but best approach is to lobby the
appropriate governmental officials to change the zoning for the area to one
which would not permit the contemplated development. That's also fraught
with peril, however, as the developer could perhaps then make a colorable claim
that the change in zoning comes too late and leaves him in a position where he
must suffer some pretty significant financial losses. It would be nice to see
the whole area developed into a beautiful public park, but that could be seen as
impractical because Holladay is one of our fastest growing urban areas, and the
people who live there want a convenient place to go where they can get the
services they need. In short, the new development may turn out to be the right
thing to do given the practical needs of people who live in the surrounding