Utahns grieve for families separated at border, call for 'just and humane' immigration laws

Vigil attendees call on U.S. leaders to enact 'just and humane' immigration laws

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  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    June 25, 2018 9:10 a.m.

    @Romney,

    There you go again...I never claimed everyone crossing the border is an Asylum seeker. You assumed I did. But I am citing the fact that most of the people separated the last 2 weeks from children were asylum seekers and these are the ones I'm talking about. These people are fleeing violence in their home country in C. America. They're not the drug runners or rapists - they're the ones escaping those threats.

    We had well-established laws for welcoming asylum seekers, until Trump and Sessions on 6-11 changed the policy and said they would separate children from parents and treat all as criminals. Now Trump wants to kill all due process and effectively say 'No Asylum in the USA'. The options they have left require sometimes years of waiting.

    There are laws for law-abiding citizens to apply for asylum. Other countries have these procedures as well and there are internationally agreed laws for assisting those in danger. Furthermore, keeping families together ensures their success and these are not the people causing crime. Putting children in foster care is the fastest way to make them welfare-dependent and turn to crime.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    June 25, 2018 7:58 a.m.

    Jen Johnson said Sunday, Without a doubt the images, and the reality, from 2014, just like 2018, are not pretty,” Johnson said. “And so we expanded family detention. We had then 34,000 beds for family detention. Only 95 of 34,000 equipped to deal with families. And so we expanded it. I freely admit it was controversial. We believed it was necessary at the time. I still believe it is necessary to remain a certain capability for families.”

    Johnson then repeated a contention he has repeated before, that we “can’t have catch and release.”

    Obama did it too.........and both Trump and Obama did the right thing! Send them home and come back legal!

  • quackquack Park City, UT
    June 25, 2018 7:49 a.m.

    They say when tragedy happens the True human spirit shines I truly believe that but what they dont tell you is tragedy brings forth cowardice, repugnance, & malevolence .

    "Obey the Law" So did George Washington, Andrew Jackson, Ben Franklin, San Adams "obey the law" Do you not even know what the Boston Tea Party was abut ?

    Did you Obey Native American law and agree to all the treaties or did you Break the law and take this land form the Indians ? Cause if you did Caucasians are not native to this land. Know your history this land is not your it belong to the Native Americans and now you think you have some kind of entitlement cause you stole land....

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    June 24, 2018 11:41 p.m.

    I agree with DN Subscriber. Build the wall. Keep our nation safe!

    These kind of articles boost the illegal entry into our country. We have laws. If you want to come to this country, come legally. We cannot fix all the worlds' problems with an "open door" policy.

    I'm grateful for President Trump's stand for building the wall.

  • 1aggie Salt Lake City, UT
    June 24, 2018 7:00 p.m.

    1covey:
    “Where were these people when Obama started the same policies Trump is following, why the sudden hyperpartisan rhetoric and demands now?”

    Your source?

    The facts:
    A majority of those crossing the border during Obama’s tenure went through a civil deportation process—not automatically charged with a criminal violation as Trump is doing. Obama prioritized criminal prosecution for those engaged in crime or gangs— not for mothers and children whose only “crime” was crossing the border. Criminal charges result in children being separated from their parents. There is no/zero evidence that Obama routinely or even mostly separated children from family members as Trump is doing now.

    (However, there are children/minors who are separated from families because they crossed the border alone—they are classified as unaccompanied minors).

  • ipr Spanish Fork, UT
    June 24, 2018 3:43 p.m.

    I just returned from Europe. It would be interesting to ask European citizens how they feel about all the "refugees" in the country. I'm putting refugees into quotes, because many are economic refugees, not political. You will notice it is very different from what their governments feel.

  • GrandpaDon Layton, UT
    June 24, 2018 2:36 p.m.

    We all need to show compassion and find solutions to keep families together - whether they are separated by economics, divorce, or at the border. We are all children of God.

  • mightymite , 00
    June 24, 2018 1:37 p.m.

    Utah- You knew what you were getting when you voted for trump and you did it anyway. Yhe campassion dwindles as you look pack on it through the rear view mirror.

  • Romneyiswrongforutah Sandy, UT
    June 24, 2018 1:29 p.m.

    @hobblecreek - CA, 00
    I feel bad for the kids who's parent goes to jail too, and we should. People who commit crimes shouldn't blame anyone else but themselves, thoughts become actions. They are our citizens.(the ones who are legal, or have a green card)
    I distrust any media portrayal of any current event because of their explicit bias ( who is funding them, and who they desire to pander to)

  • Romneyiswrongforutah Sandy, UT
    June 24, 2018 1:21 p.m.

    @eastcoastcoug - Danbury, CT
    You have to be joking right? You say not to paint a broad brush, yet you claim all crossing illegally are asylum seekers? Please go vote for Obama again. I am willing to bet you didn't care that this was happening in 2014? Oh wait, I guess that doesn't fit the agenda.

  • Romneyiswrongforutah Sandy, UT
    June 24, 2018 1:10 p.m.

    " Jones said. "She was judged. Thirty-one years later, she still feels judged."

    Well, if she is judged because of what she looks like, thats one thing. If she tells her story and is judged that is another.

    Why don't people just come out and say it "I want open borders, I don't care about laws"

    "Those laws must be both just and humane."
    Yes, you don't know what the law means! I will justly, and humanly ask you to leave. No free passes. Look at those go go the legal route. Is it fair to them. Not at all. And if you try to say it is you are being disingenuous.

    Last of all, this entire article is a terrible argument from emotion. If you just let yourself go on just emotion, not the other two, ethos, and logos, you have the makings of a terrible article.

  • hobblecreek CA, 00
    June 24, 2018 12:05 p.m.

    My comments were truly sarcastic. I can’t comprehend lack of compassion for any human being. That includes the heartbreak for any child separated from their families because of actions taken by their parents.,including those in jail. Distressed by the attitude of people who justify wrong with wrong.

  • Justiciaparatodos Salt Lake City, UT
    June 24, 2018 11:28 a.m.

    We all want a humane and caring approach to this mess but the bottom line is that if people are oppressed elsewhere, they need to enter the United States LEGALLY!

    If they are oppressed in El Salvador or Guatemala for example, why don't those people seek assylum in Mexico or Brazil or Columbia? There is more to the story than we are hearing from these "opressed" people. Might much of it have to do with the economic possibilities that exist by sneaking into America?

    Let all of you who are so concerned about the welfare of these needful immigrants lobby all the other surrounding nations in Latin America to step up to the plate and allow the immigrants to enter into their lands too.

    Let us have a nation of law and order and an orderly and legal way for a reasonable number oppressed immigrants to enter this country. But let us say no to numberless immigrants who want to disobey our laws and enter here illegally - that is simply wrong.

  • ute alumni Salt Lake City, UT
    June 24, 2018 11:04 a.m.

    I’m a Utahn and my compassion is with Americans. This wouldn’t happen if they stayed in their own country.

  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    June 24, 2018 10:40 a.m.

    America has just and humane immigration laws in place.. probably the most humane in the world... these people want open borders.... it’s a masquerade hiding their flawed agenda

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    June 24, 2018 8:49 a.m.

    @DNews Sub.

    These people ARE obeying the laws - US and int'l laws set out that prescribe how a person can apply for Asylum. While many of them were en route, Sessions on 6-11 eliminated fleeing gang violence as a condition. Then the Trump Admins. decided to separate children from parents as a tactic and we end up with parents being separated from parents and being sent all over the country (and who helps get them back?)

    As a lifelong Conservative voter this latest act was not only inhumane, it was impractical and doesn't address the heart of what Trumpista's want - safety and sane immigration. Most asylum and refugee cases are already rejected. Those that are legit and intact families, should be continued and these families have a high rate of success and low criminality when they stay intact.

    I suggest reading USCIS sites and others to get better informed and stop painting these people with a broad, ignorant brush (both Fox and MSNBC). Trump and Sessions created a huge, misinformed mess.

    And compassion does matter. As you head off to your ward today, think about 'What if their story were my story?' and why the LDS Church thought it necessary to make their statement.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    June 24, 2018 8:13 a.m.

    Over 2.7 million American children have parents in jail. It happens when people break laws.

  • hobblecreek CA, 00
    June 24, 2018 7:52 a.m.

    @dn

    Glad you got in the blame Obama and the left. Trump is blameless. He does no wrong. Everything he says is factual, everything he does is for the sake of everyone but himself. What a compassionate, outstanding patriot full of integrity, honesty and faith. Laws are laws and he would never even think to break one ever. Think how great America will be when we have stopped all countries from taking advantage of us. When we can finally stop immigrants from infesting our country by walking through our unsecured borders.
    Oh how great we will be then.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    June 24, 2018 7:20 a.m.

    The headline could more accurately read 'Some Utahns. . . ' or, perhaps, 'A Few Utahns. . .' To place all Utahns as "grieving" about this is extremely misleading. But, then, perhaps that was the intent?

  • 1covey Salt Lake City, UT
    June 24, 2018 6:58 a.m.

    President Trump has stopped the practice originated by his predecessors separating children from their families by using and creating new holding facilities for those crossing the border illegally. And people are still complaining about separating children from their families. A national magazine had a photo which turned out to be fake. As pointed out in a previous comment, not all children previously detained were accompanied by a family member when they were apprehended for illegal entry into this country; that clearly poses a threat for such children and the separating in those cases was good. And how do you know which situation applies, until you investigate ?

  • high school fan Huntington, UT
    June 24, 2018 5:32 a.m.

    There is no country that I can move to without following the rules including ours and that is the way it should be. Prior people that have came here came because they wanted to be American, they wanted to learn English, they wanted to fit in. That is not how some today act.

    When people come illegally give them a shower, a meal a place for the night and then send them home. Follow the rules.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 23, 2018 11:19 p.m.

    It's popular to be compassionate and want to make things easy for everybody.

    But, the most compassionate thing people can do is to obey the laws, and if they want to come to the U.S. we have immigration laws which allow that, with set procedures and restrictions.

    The one lady's mother came here illegally, and by the dates was recipient of amnesty under the Simpson-Mazolli act which granted amnesty and promised to secure the border, which Congress never did.

    Another lady was brought here illegally as a child.

    Families are NOT separated if they do not enter the U.S. illegally. Get that message out to potential immigrants.
    If families sneak across the border they should not be separated, but should all be returned home immediately.

    Immigration into the U.S. is a generous privilege granted to a limited number of people, not something which is an entitlement for every person living outside our borders.

    Where were these people when Obama started the same policies Trump is following, why the sudden hyperpartisan rhetoric and demands now?

    This is more about politics of the left than about fixing our broken immigration rules.

    Build the wall!