LDS Church, Catholic Diocese call for compassion, 'swift action'
The FLDS were illegally separated from their children, and they were US
citizens. Do those who object to family objection still object to it when
Polygamists families are being split up?
Mia should go home and care for her own children. We certainly don't need
anymore illegals in this country.
Mia did a fund raiser with Paul Ryan only 5 donors showed up. She has to do
something because even the speaker of the house could not bring interest to her.
80% of asylum seekers have illegally submitted their application. It is well
documented that even of the remaining 20% many make up stories. The system is
clearly being abused, and needs to be temporarily suspended.
the "immigrants" know there is a very real possibility this can
happen. They chose to ignore the laws.
To hear the Secretary of State and Ambassador to the United Nations are
withdrawing our country from the Human Rights Council is an abomination to
mankind and to our country.Nikki Haley is not that far away from the
huddled masses yearning to breathe free. She is a coward for us.I
am grateful for my 12th great-grandfather Massasoit a Native American Chief for
accepting my 12 relatives that were part of the Mayflower immigration from
Europe to the Americas. It was a beneficial relationship as Massasoit got sick
later on and the Pilgrims had some medication to helped him recover for years
more.I am grateful for our Founding Fathers and other relatives that
helped form our country.I am grateful for Fathers Dominguez and
Escalante that departed Santa Fe in July 1776 and trying to get to Monterrey,
California. I am grateful for so many blessings that deal with
emigrants/immigrants and with many explorers that were fulfilling their desires
to find a better place for so many people reasons.There is no one in
our country that is not an immigrant. I believe even President Trump and his
wife have parents or themselves that emigrated to the United States of America.
Hey @Sanefan - Where did you get your info, it must have been made up.There is no federal law mandating children and parents be separated at the
border; a policy resulting in that outcome was enacted in May 2018 by Trump.
Ms. Love seems horribly out of touch.🤔
Mr. Trump should be ashamed. How can he sleep at night attacking the youngest
people on the Earth? Children need parents and should not need to see their
parents ripped from them. Maybe Trump should have his children taken from him to
Hey Jurney and all you other either misinformed or disingenuous liberals. This
law was passed by Clinton, suspended by Bush and reinstated by Obama. The pix
you see on social media and the news are mostly from 2012 to 2014. That was
Prime Time Obama! Unfortunately, Trump got left with a huge mess by the Obama
administration, this being only one item. Trump is not using children to
advance his agenda, he is following laws the Dems put on the books. Sadly,
it's parents and cartels that are using children to gain illegal access to
the US and liberals who are using it to attack Trump. Let's start putting
the responsibility where it belongs and stop with the political indignation an
issue that the liberals created in the first place.
Why are children born?Why do they come to earth?Most
don’t get born in freedom living countries and to a country that has
political and religious freedoms as the United States of America.There are many despotic governments around the world. Attempts have been made
by the United States of America at various times to assist other nations gain
similar freedoms through documents and setting examples.Some will
say the US Constitution is from God. However, the Constitution by itself does
grant the inalienable rights. It takes patriots to establish God’s will.
Not just patriots but good men and women including families that espouse the
truth and right, law and order.Not all leaders in our country have
the citizen’s hearts and souls in mind. Some are egotistical and selfish.
We can see it in their nature as a candidate and as an office holder through
administrative actions.Some subvert Congress and attempt to through
the Supreme Court and lower courts.Citizens need to act in their
And is Ms. Love decrying child protective services when they take children away
from families for specious, unwarranted reasons? It happens.
"You can see these children, these innocent children, being ripped from
their families. It's absolutely terrible."They are not
being "ripped" apart, they are being separated. They knew what would
happen if they came here illegally. This is the fault of the parents, not the
U.S."Rep. Chris Stewart, R-Utah, said he wants to add his own
amendment to the bill, to allow for ankle monitors to be put on parents trying
to get into the U.S. who don't want to be separated from their
children."Sure, add to the expense and I'm sure none of the
illegal would remove the ankle monitors because they are law abiding
citizens.They can stay together if they go back to their own
country. "Bishop Solis of the U.S. Conference of Catholic
Bishops... in not only on separating families but also denying asylum to
domestic violence victims."Refugee status for domestic violence
would allow about 1/3 of people in the world to come here. Why are Hispanics an
exception in the eyes of the Bishop?The U.S. is not the welfare
program for the rest of the world.
Mayfair - Logan, UTJune 18, 2018 3:49 p.m.eastcoastcoug said
"Just when I thought I couldn't be more ashamed of some of my brothers
and sisters in the GOP, along comes this. And some of you people were in church
yesterday...."I sooo agree. I am appalled that some
fellow LDS who are GOP have always supported this kind of thing and have spoken
with such disgust of those from Latin countries.Its embarrassing.
Separation is only because kids are being brought here. No separation if
illegals stay home. Abuse is families, parents and traffickers.
Third try - There is no difference I can discern in Love's position on
illegal immigration versus McAdams. What I was implying in my earlier comment
is that many who previously voted for her (such as yours truly) will not vote
for her again. I certainly won't vote for McAdams, but there are other
parties running candidates. How many votes does she gain by her
present position on illegal immigration and false claims of refugee status,
compared to how many votes she is losing because of her very liberal position
here? My belief is that she loses substantially from her core voters and gains
a few, marginally, from liberals and others.At least people know
that McAdams is a absolute liberal and life-long politician who throws money at
problems, but doesn't solve them. Love seems to have been elected under
false pretenses of being a conservative, based on current events. She probably
will come out and say, like McAdams, that she won't support Pelosi for
speaker either. LOL
@RomneyiswrongforUtah:You say you have no compassion for those who
break the law, but can't you wrestle up a bit of compassion for children
who aren't even aware that there ARE laws? It's brutal to punish
children like this.
Amazing what happens when reelection looms close and constituents get noisy.I don't believe for a moment that she cares for those kids, she
cares about herself.
I have no compassion for those willing to break federal law. Question. When a
citizen goes to jail is he separated from his family?
Mia Love stood in the Presidential news palace next to the President and waiting
for the President on live television to get publicity. She was there smiling
and taking advantage of the moment.She showed up untimely to state
and county conventions as no one was running against her on the Republican
side.She risks the President’s wrath as Senator Flake
received.Integrity doesn’t rise and go down like a roller
coaster it is to be firm as the iron rod.However, Senator Hatch has
left a legacy by bearing his testimony that President Trump is the “Best
President Ever”. He is Utah’s Standard Bearer. It is pretty hard
for the other 5 elected members of US Congress, House and Senate, to stand up
against a tenured and Senior Senator from Utah.Sean Hannity and Rush
Limbaugh are more persuasive in Utah than the many religious institutions.
More phony outrage!Another anti-Trump tactic.Really
Good for Mia.
@at long last.Will this cost Mia the election? Only if Ben McAdams calls
her on this question. The chance of that is nil. He's all in for open
borders and amnesty.Mia can be bold like Luis Gutierrez can be bold;
they have no political risk in doing so.The Utah GOP could primary
her in two years, but that isn't likely. Besides being dysfunctional, the
Utah GOP thinks the Church wants them to act as globalists. They are probably
correct.Mia fits the mold very well.If McAdams wins,
this won't be due to his stand on immigration.It's sad
really. Border policy is the ultimate expression of property rights. An open
border is decidedly socialist. It's as simple as that.
Congress should have handled our border problems long ago.Mia, you are
included in this accusation. As you have suggested,get going and get this
done now.What a sad bunch our elected officials in Washington have
become.Many with life-time salaries have allowed themselves to growcomplacent about the business of governance.
This is an issue that tears at our moral fiber as to who we are as a people.
There are so many comments from people who have not educated themselves on the
facts it’s shameful. Thank you Ms. Love for the press release,
but you and the rest of Congress need to step it up. This is an humanitarian
crisis that needs immediate attention. The roots of this goes back decades
and congress’s refusal to take up fair and just immigration reform. My
response to you and the rest of Congress is to fix it and it is going to take
all of you together to push new legislation or it will be vetoed by our
If you want Utah and the rest of America to look like California and Europe,
then just open up the borders.When I was a kid, the democrats ran
against Hoover for twenty years after he left office, next, Nixon was blamed for
all of the problems, then Bush. Now, I guess it's Trump's turn.The republicans aren't blameless, but except for two years when the
republicans controlled the senate, the democrats controlled both houses of
Congress from 1954 to 1994, and again during Obama's first term. And
we're going to blame all of this on Trump?
I think it is likely that Mia Love will look back on this moment as to when she
lost the election.
"@RichardB: You said - "Please look up the ATEP (Alien Transfer Exit
Program (ATEP) under Obama. He did the same thing, and nothing was said by you
or the Press." Yet another demonstration of the well-known
leftist double standard."And yet another example of fake
news..... in 2014 when that policy was put into place, there was an uproar
about it. It's that the media was still too obsessed with whether Obama
was an Kenyan, or how high is grades really were at Harvard that over shadowed
the issue. Look at Fox's headline today..... lead story is they are
still looking at Comey and his leaked memo. It was in the
press.... Obama did take heat for it. You just either choose media that
ignored it, or you ignored it.And good for Mia for taking a stand
proclaiming this not a right nor left issue - but a right or wrong issue. It
was wrong when Obama's admin was in, and its wrong when Trumps admin is in.
Sorry all you partisan obsessed people..... right and wrong don't vary
depending on party in office.
Does not matter what Rep Love, or any other compassionate Rep says or does, this
policy will not be overturned.trump is too prideful to admit a gross
error. Admission of guilt would tarnish his self-gilded reputation.But Rep Love can go into November claiming a moral high ground. Then turn
around and support the president in every other way.Nice move Rep
Love, nice move.
It seems clear that most people are uncomfortable with family separation
connected to illegal border crossings, which occurs because adults are placed in
federal prisons with no accommodation for children. The Democrat sponsored
Keep Families Together act requires judicial oversight before separation can
occur. Neither the Media nor the Government have spoken out on the extent to
which this approach would reduce family separation. Rep. Love's bill is
the only proposal of which I am aware that provides an immediate and practical
fix until comprehensive legislation can get through the Capitol Morass. It
essentially keeps the parents out of temporary imprisonment while still
monitoring their whereabouts, thus enabling the families to remain together.
Might it not be appropriate, rather than using an issue as a bully pulpit to
criticize those who are actually trying to do something, to applaud their
efforts, or, that failing, to at least limiting comments to the issues?
I want to publicly thank Mia Love for quickly responding to mine and I hope
other constituents who emailed her to take action.What Trump has
been doing is called, by definition: Extortion"the practice of
obtaining something, especially money, through force or threats."This past Friday morning Trump on National TV blamed Democrats rather than
owning up to what Sessions ordered on 6 April 2018 & then reinforced several
times since then and then Trump said he must build his Wall. Immigrants are not
"pawns" to obtain a Wall, unless this is what Trump meant back on the
Campaign when he said "Mexico will [pay] for the Wall", for the
Immigrants many of whom are Mexican are indeed paying dearly for it.Extortion is a High Crime and I'm very disappointed that no one in the
Press, government, or society, are calling it what it is - Extortion.
This may not make it past the DN's moderators, but I have to try. When the
LDS Church issues a statement saying that "[w]e are deeply troubled by the
aggressive and insensitive treatment of these families," I strongly suspect
that many of its leaders are not just "troubled," but indeed that they
are "outraged" -- and I wish that is the word the Church had used.
Members of the LDS Church very much know from the course of their history what
it is like to be mistreated by the government (as well as by what passes for
American culture), and it pleases me that they are standing up for the
immigrants presently among us. I thank them for issuing this statement, but, as
I say, I wish they'd used stronger language. That they did not may simply
be a reflection of their firm commitment to civility, and that's of course
only to be applauded. Still . . .
For those who inaccurately assert that the Sessions/Trump zero tolerance family
separation policy of the Trump Administration is a continuation of the 2008 ATEP
program: You have been hornswaggled by the Right Wing media. The ATEP program
simply changed the border location where deportees were released in Mexico in an
attempt to distance them from the “coyotes” that brought them into
the country. It did not separate parents from children and detain them in
separate facilities.Trust DN and NYT over Fox and Breitbart. The
former have journalistic integrity. The latter are propaganda outlets
masquerading as new media.
Mia Love is absolutely right about this issue, there's simply no question
about it.But Chris Stewart -- with his positively ridiculous idea
about subject illegals to "ankle monitors" -- is dead wrong. Indeed,
such an approach is arguably unconstitutional.
Mia Love: Did the Republican Establishment promise you "great things to
come" if you would "play ball?"
@GaryO"Our thuggish, brutal, and always lying Republican
government...Republicans must be soooooooooooooooooo PROUD of the
mayhem and pain they cause to defenseless babies."________Don't try to cover up the decades of genocide of abortions that the Left
has funded and supported. That does not even begin to compare to the borders
crisis now taking place. The problem needs to be fixed. But Obama
and Democrats had 8 years to fix immigration and failed to act. And let's
not kid ourselves into thinking that only innocent children are crossing the
border. Many MS-13 gangs have crossed the border and committed violent acts and
the failure to enact border security has allowed these gangs in. The Democrats
have incentives to prevent border security: they are motivated by votes. So the
next time you see MS-13 graffiti (I see it frequently) take that into
consideration._____@Hutterite - American Fork, UT"This isn't a case anymore for 'yeah, but Obama...'. This
is a case of fix it. Now. "_____Agree it needs to be fixed
but as long as the Left uses these children for political gain we will see more
"yeah Obama" as Repubs have a right to respond and state the facts.
How does she feel about separating Americans from their family when they break
the law? I hate this double standard that illegal immigration has
brought us. The people were warned, yet they came anyway, it's their fault.
If you wish to enter the USA without a visa, all you have to do is claim asylum,
if ur coached on what to say you will be released into the usa and be given work
authorization and other benefits while waiting for a hearing/trial. There is a
huge backlog of cases, several years worth. Many asylum seekers never show up
for their hearing or if they do and are ordered to leave they never do. This is
why many of these people are asking for asylum, they ate gaming the system, to
allow them into the USA. Trump is right. The laws need to change so we as a
nation can effectively deal with this issue.
more and more I have less respect for Love. Failure to enforce our laws and
control the border is madness. If there is an issue about fighting for the
rights of non americans she is there. I can not recall anything she has done
for Americans. Other countries control their borders. We should too. If any
American commits a crime and is incarcerated, she is also separated from loved
ones. If we as citizens are subject to punishment for breaking the laws,
foreigners should also be subject to law.And what is the path forward of
not controlling our borders?Is the logic, by all means necessary we must
lets anyone in the world who wants to come here in. Should we be happy to give
our resources to feed, educate, house and take care of them for their entire
lives? Should we give up our jobs and our opportunities and way of life for
these people? Should we gladly accept greater population density, higher taxes
and crime, to house the worlds population. This insanity must end. I do not
believe Love represents the views of those who elected her.
Immigrant families are bringing the problem upon themselves. If they do not
want to be separated then they should stop sending their children across the
border illegally. U.S. borders need to be enforced and I applaud President
Trump for fulfilling his Constitutional duty. Mia Love has shown that she is no
different then a Progressive Democrat on many issues, including immigration.
More and more, I'm coming to have some respect for Mia. But I'd have
a whole lot more if she would stand up and shout loudly about trump's total
lack of honesty and morality.
This isn't a case anymore for 'yeah, but Obama...'. This is a
case of fix it. Now. I don't care what you think Obama did, or
Kennedy, or anyone else. Fix it.
@m_hawke"Trump did not start this. It's been going on since
Obama."Please get your facts straight. Families were not being
separated for illegal entry into the US (a misdemeanor offense) until Jeff
Sessions communicated a 'zero tolerance' policy in April of this
year.There's not a single comparable event of families being
separated occurring during Obama's presidency.
I hope our lawmakers will work together on comprehensive immigration reform.
Seems like both sides are blaming the other and digging their heels in to try to
drive their unique agenda. USA needs border security, sensible immigration
policies, path to citizenship for legal immigrants. I have
compassion for humans and families, and hate anyone suffering, but if a person
commits a crime and gets arrested, do the police have some obligation or policy
to keep families together? Where is the outrage in those situations.
@M_HawkeRepeating the same lies about this starting under Obama or the
1990’s or by democrates are not going to make them true. Anyone with
internet access which is everyone on these forums can easily fact check these
@Weston Jurney please get your facts straight. Trump did not start this.
It's been going on since Obama.
Rep. Love really should get her facts straight first. This was not brought on by
Trump, it was happening with Obama and the press nor she nor anyone said
anything about it. It's only because Trump is currently the president and
people are grasping at straws to blame him for something. There are lots of
other facts surrounding this issue like parents not showing up for the hearings
because they are illegal and do not want to be arrested and continually are
moving so as not to be found so the children are left in limbo. It
truly disgusts me when politicians trying to score points with the short
attention span public gets on a band wagon and perpetuates the problem instead
of truly trying to solve it. Shame on Rep. Love and shame on people who
knee-jerk react to every blown up crisis by the media out to blame Trump and the
Republicans for every societal problem.
RichardB - Murray, UT wrote:June 18, 2018 12:17 p.m.Mia, you are
just going to help them continue doing this again and again. The only way to
stop it, is to stop it. Please look up the ATEP (Alien Transfer Exit
Program (ATEP) under Obama. He did the same thing, and nothing was said by you
or the Press.ATEP was not a program that separated children from
families. It was a program where illegal entrants were deported to areas
different from where they were apprehended in an effort to discourage them from
quickly returning. "The Alien Transfer Exit Programme ( ATEP )
is a US deportation strategy created in 2008 whereby migrants are returned to
border regions of Mexico distant from their initial place of apprehension. The
goal of this strategy is to geographically separate migrants from their coyotes
[paid crossing guide], who are often waiting for them in Mexico, in an attempt
to discourage people from attempting additional border crossings. The official
government stance concerning this programme is that it is both effective at
deterring migration and that it protects migrants from abusive coyotes who often
“force” them to cross the harsh Sonoran desert."
@Patriot: Loved your quote - "Don't split your family up then expect
America to fix it." Only 20% of those who seek asylum actually
win their court case to get it. That means there is a whole bunch of people
applying for asylum that know they are not eligible, and are playing the system.
They are intentionally breaking up their family to get better odds of entry.@Moderator: Think you presented an excellent solution. - "They
should seek asylum (in Canada) first, and it would be less than $400 to fly them
there - a huge savings."Simply pay for their ticket to Canada
and fly the family there. Let the Canadians deport them back when they get sick
of giving them free stuff.@RichardB: You said - "Please look
up the ATEP (Alien Transfer Exit Program (ATEP) under Obama. He did the same
thing, and nothing was said by you or the Press." Yet another
demonstration of the well-known leftist double standard.
@DN Subscriber"deflect attention from the even more outrageous conduct
of the FBI as revealed by the FBI Inspector General's report."Anyone who bothered to read the DN article about that IG report you'd see
the primary examples of errors in conduct involved Comey departing from bureau
norms when it came to publicly criticizing Hillary and reopening the case a
couple weeks before the election. Democrats don't need to deflect
attention from that.
@patriot" They chose instead to sneak in"One of the
steps for refugee status involves reporting to border crossing points and
checking in with authorities for that. That's not a sneaking in process.
They should have warned these families before they made that long trip with
children.Oh wait,,,they DID.
Hey Mayhem Mike -Re: "As sad as it is to see families separated,
the cause is that the parents tried barge into the United States
illegally"WRONGSome of these families were separated
after they appealed for American protection, while they were on the Mexican side
of the border.These people, running from gangs and predators,
trekked hundreds of miles up to the U.S. border, and they BEGGED for refuge from
those predators. And then what happened??. . . Our own Department of
Homeland Security scooped them up and immediately separated crying toddlers from
their mothers, and NOW our Republican-controlled government won't even
allow reporters to see where most of these tiny toddlers are being detained. Our thuggish, brutal, and always lying Republican government has turned
America into an internationally hated symbol of oppression.Republicans must be soooooooooooooooooo PROUD of the mayhem and pain they
cause to defenseless babies.
eastcoastcoug said "Just when I thought I couldn't be more ashamed of
some of my brothers and sisters in the GOP, along comes this. And some of you
people were in church yesterday...."I sooo agree. I
am appalled that some fellow LDS who are GOP have always supported this kind of
thing and have spoken with such disgust of those from Latin countries.
Many posters seem to imagine all of the detainees are attempting "illegal
immigration." A big part of the problem is that the personnel and facilities
for processing legal asylum seekers is inadequate, and there is a large backlog
of applications. These desperate people mostly do not have a legal alternative,
other than to die a slow bureaucratic death. We have a real problem,
and Trump wants to fund enforcement only. Unless Congress acts, there will be no
funding for compassion, and asylum seekers will be hung out to dry.
patriot said: "re:H. Bob everything you said is factually wrong. First of
all these Mexican people are not coming here for asylum." Many
are not Mexican.Many are coming for AsylumYou of course
have no evidence as usual, just rhetoric.You conservative Trump fans
complain that they are coming to steal your job, and at the same time get all
the free stuff because they just want welfare.Trouble with
conservatives, the truth is seldom on their side, and they contradict themselves
constantly.But hey, if one can justify separating and caging
children, then they can justify just about any other horrible act, even
supporting our child president.
Please don't comment if you don't understand the meaning of the
following acronyms in context.TBSOTMEWIYou are
just hyping a situation you know nothing about.Hint: Media sources
are NOT explaining the situation. They are merely piling on Trump, something
they have been doing since the summer of 2015.Frequent commenter
here, worf, lives in McAllen, ground zero. Maybe he can enlighten us.
Please let's not attempt to defend this heinous policy on either moral or
religious grounds. That is at best self serving and perhaps much worse. "
Love thy neighbor", "If ye have done it unto the least of these, my
brethren, ye have done it unto me" said Jesus. Leviticus 19:33-34, mandates
that we care for the stranger within our gates.
I couldn't care less WHY people are coming here. You do not separate kids
from parents as some kind of political ploy. Just when I thought I
couldn't be more ashamed of some of my brothers and sisters in the GOP,
along comes this. And some of you people were in church yesterday nodding your
heads and saying Amen about loving your brother as yourself and 'What if
their story were my story?'Shame, shame, shame...
Mia Love took office in January of 2015.The "children at the
border" crisis had been going for two summers. She would then preside over
this problem for 2015, 2016 and 2017.Trump waited a year for
Congress to do something, then declared an end to DACA, with a six month grace
period.The "caravan" headed north in April, with daily
coverage of the problem getting closer to our border.And just now,
June 18, 2018, Mia Love puts her foot down.This time, it's
different. All the actors here can now blame Trump.I fear that their
knee-jerk reaction will lead to less enforcement in the interior and more open
borders.And their solution will be worse than the problem. There
will be no crying children if we just tell everyone "yes."
"Horrible' separation of families"?When are people
going to realize how the main stream media and corrupt politicians are make them
fools.Every week or two, something else comes up. Dictator meeting
with dictator, Russian collusion, Trump beating up his wife, eating two scoops
of ice cream, disrespecting friendly allies, etc.Mobs of people has
always been easy to trick. Americans don't know what's going on!
I'm sure that a few people actually have a reason to request asylum, but
the majority (about 80%) will be sent back home, after spending billion of US
tax dollars and tying up the courts. Like the refugees in Europe,
many are ruining it for the few that need it. Something needs to be
done to stop all this illegal immigration. People keep saying the numbers are
steady, but people keep coming here.
Keep the children with their parents.As soon as anyone illegally crosses
the border, simply push them back across to the other side, parents, kids and
all. No need for any sort of hearings or stuff, just do not allow them to
enter.Legal immigrants, like Mia Love's parents, are welcome,
with their children. Illegal immigrants are not welcome and must be deported,
with their children. The separation is only because liberals insist
on all sorts of phony "due process" hearings and delays for the parents,
most of which never take place because the parents simply disappear into the
heartland.This whole sudden "separation of the poor
children" uproar is a carefully orchestrated and timed attempt by the
Democrats to deflect attention from the even more outrageous conduct of the FBI
as revealed by the FBI Inspector General's report.Illegal
immigrants will not be separated from their children if they do not enter the
U.S. illegally, so they have 100% power to immediately end these separations.Mia, drop this bill and just enforce the laws against illegal
I'm no democrat.That said, I know one candidate has actually
done something that has benefited me. I have no idea what Mia Love
has done, other than this. She's the virtue signaling type who
poses for the leadership to get on committee. That said, I cant vote
for someone who would have nancy pelosi as a leader.Guess I could
write in Mitt's wife.
MAYHEM MIKE (and others) "the cause is that the parents tried barge into the
United States illegally."False. They present themselves at the border
as a family seeking asylum. Under a new policy created by Donald Trump, these
families are separated while their asylum request is adjudicated. You ask
immigrants to choose a legal path to the United States. They took that path,
and their reward is to have their family taken apart. Christian Nation in name
What would Jesus do ?No need to speculate.Acts 16:7 "When they came to the border of Mysia, they tried to enter Bithynia, but
the Spirit of Jesus would not allow them to.""Mysia" was
the ancient name for "Mexico" and "Bithynia" was the Southern
region of what is now the United States. :)
So what are the options? Go back to catch and release so we have no idea whose
where? Put the kids in general population with mom and dad? Send them all back
to whatever country they belong to while processing paperwork? Compassion is
great for individuals but it's a terrible way to govern, just look at
Europe and all the trouble resulting from their compassion. You get a big rush
of people more than the existing infrastructure can handle then you have to get
creative. Sorry for the kids but they aren't here legally either and unless
there's a valid reason otherwise they need to go home.
My my, so good to see the out poring of Christian love and compassion posted
here. Very heartwarming. (sarcasm alert)
There is nothing “horrible “ about it. They can stay together in
Mexico! Let me get this straight, you are going to convince the freedom caucus
in the house to support a bill that takes away powers of the President, then
convince the Senate to pass this mess, and somehow President Trump will then
sign it into law. Right, what world lala land have you been living in, oh yeah,
Washington D.C. Good luck with this, Opps, no, I do not wish you any luck with
Love is taking a losing position. At least McAdams, you would expect would be
in favor of illegals.
re:H. Bobeverything you said is factually wrong. First of all these
Mexican people are not coming here for asylum. The definition of asylum is
"the protection granted by a nation to someone who has left their native
country as a political refugee". These Mexican people are not in danger of
being killed by the government of Mexico. That is false. They are coming here to
get free stuff (welfare, healthcare, etc..). These Mexican parents are breaking
the law. Running across the border in the night is dishonest and unlawful. That
is why we have border agents in the first place to catch these criminals. They
have a choice to come the legal way (fill out the paper work and wait the 10
years to become legal citizens). They chose instead to sneak in -- no one was
forcing them out of Mexico and no one was trying to exterminate them. This is
all about getting free stuff. Finally your terrorist comment was silly. Where do
terrorists and human traffic smugglers and drug dealers and gun deals all come
from? They walk right across our open border. Who suffers? US citizens suffer.
By the way most of these illegals only have an 8th grade education so they
aren't contributors . Wise up.
I applaud Love for her desire to stop this. However, her proposed legislation
has strings attached to the reuniting of children with their parents. This
policy should stop immediately without any strings attached. Otherwise, it is
just the taking of children as hostages to achieve political advantage. There
is good and evil in this world. This policy is the embodiment of evil and those
who prosecute or support the policy are making the choice to support evil.
Republican voters widely support the separation of children from their parents
at the border, and it's not close: 55-35. With those kind of
numbers, you can bet nothing will happen - and the treatment may even intensify
- well past GOP/POT primaries.This is another issue where Mia
Love's voters took a radical right turn, and she's left trying to
defend what once known was the "Family Values" party.
The children in detention have better accommodations than the children of many
US citizens. As said in the New Testament, we need to take care of our own
family first.An easy solution would be to deny all asylum seekers at
the border, and force them to file asylum in the many US embassies around the
world. Also, why shouldn't they be seeking Asylum in Canada or Mexico?
They should seek asylum there first, and it would be less than $400 to fly them
there - a huge savings.
all the pictures being shown are from around 2014 I don't think President
Trump was President at that time, some one was in the white house at that time,
but President Trump would still get the blame isn't that how it has been
@ vanceoneIf an American commits a serious crime their children
usually go live with a family member. Or social services picks them up. They are Never thrown in a cage with nothing but a mattress on the cold
concrete floor and a thermal blanket. What they are doing to those helpless
kids on the border is not right.
Simple common sense dictates that if they don't want their families
"broken up" then just stay in Mexico. They have apparently been
traversing Mexico for weeks or months, peacefully, so apparently Mexico has
accepted them. Just stay in Mexico. It is not our responsibility to accept
As sad as it is to see families separated, the cause is that the parents tried
barge into the United States illegally. Having recently returned from a trip to
China, I suggest, by way of contrast, that you try to barge your way illegally
into China to obtain citizenship and see how far you’ll get. The United
States has clear laws and procedures for obtaining citizenship but no will to
Good for her. As a mother and as a member of the LDS Church, she
would be going against everything she believes in if she refused to try to do
something to end this appalling offensive situation.
News Flash ! Enter the Country Legally !! We have to have Laws to Govern this
Country ... Always have and always will....Obey the law and no problems ......
Hey Vanceone -Re: "Illegals get all the benefits of citizenship
with none of the responsibilities, like paying taxes. Right Gary? "Actually, plenty of illegals do pay taxes. In fact they contribute billions
to social security, but they may NEVER draw social security, because of their
illegal status. Not only that, but a good number of them serve in the armed
forces. And after years of solid service they are then kicked out of the
country.That doesn't sound like "all the benefits of
citizenship with none of the responsibilities," does it?Educate
yourself, and NO, the Russian-troll-farm "news" you prefer won't
teach you anything of value.Read and learn:"Undocumented immigrants pay $12 billion of taxes every single year."
- Punditfact" The Truth About Undocumented Immigrants and
Taxes" - The Atlantic"You feel lost': Deported U.S.
vets in Mexico hope for return under Trump camp" - The Chicago Tribune
Laudable that Love would seek to end this heinous practice. But it's
execrable that tRump initiated it in the first place.
Democrats are desperate for a wedge issueThey have no vision and the
Russia scandal was totally bogus.Solutions Mia: build a
wallParents: don’t comeYou know the risks and
accepted them. Shame on you.
An FYI to Mexican parents. Don't split your family up then expect America
to fix it. Don't cross our border illegally and then expect amnesty. Be an
honest person and obey the laws of the United States. Get in line like the rest
of honest immigrants and fill out the paper work and then spend the 10 years it
takes to become a legal citizen. Stop trying to cut in line and then get
rewarded for it. This is wrong --- it is dishonest -- in fact it is criminal. If
I am a Mexican parent I am responsible for my kids not US customs. I make the
choice to cross or not cross the border illegally. I send my kids here illegally
or not. This is ALL about Mexican parents gaming the system and the Democrat
party (and those Republicans in blue districts like Mia Love) trying to get
reelected. It really is as simple as that. Obviously the US can't be an
open border society or we become California and as someone who just returned
from that sorry state there is no way I want Utah to be like California --
bankrupt, desperate, decaying and unlivable.
Three things:1. Applying for asylum is not illegal. What most of these
families are doing is the exact same thing that our ancestors did when they
arrived at Ellis Island--they're going to a US port of entry and applying
for asylum. What the Trump/Sessions zero-tolerance policy does is declare that
"crossing of the border" illegal, and then separates families until ICE
can determine whether or not they should receive asylum. And they're only
doing it "as a deterrent." 2. And even that act of "crossing
the border" is, the first time, the civil equivalent of a misdemeanor. If we
let this atrocity stand, what's to stop this or a subsequent administration
from taking people's kids as a deterrent for any other misdemeanor (like,
say, speeding)?3. Do you want terrorists? Because what we're doing
here is exactly how you get terrorists. These kids aren't going to grow up
and be enthusiastic supporters of the American dream, are they? Do we need
immigration reform? Absolutely. But stealing kids from their mothers and fathers
sure isn't the way to do it.
I voted for Mia Love last time around. If there's a conservative person
running against her I'm voting her out. After this the only way she gets my
vote is if the only other person is a democrat. I hope a republican challenges
Thank you for reintroducing a little morality into Republican politics, Rep.
What is the permanent solution to this problem? How do we control who can enter
this country, and how many? There is obviously no deterrent to these people who
only care about themselves and not about being legal law abiding people.
Wow. She’s working hard to depress her base and lose reelection. American
parents who commit crimes are separated from their parents all the time. Where
child abuse or neglect are alleged, children can be separated from parents
temporarily even without a hearing or court order. Foreigners entering the US
illegally should not receive better treatment than citizens, and America should
not be the dumping grounds for the world’s problems!
So Mia sells out. Why doesn't she care about American's getting
separated from their children? That happens to millions of American citizens
when they commit a crime. They go to jail.But illegals are better
than Americans. They get to commit crimes without penalties, and the left is
cheering loudly as they try to implement a "superior class" of illegals
who can do whatever they want with no penalty. Illegals get all the
benefits of citizenship with none of the responsibilities, like paying taxes.
Right Gary? The reality is: if Mexicans voted Republican, you could
see the Great Wall of Mexico from space as the left would make that priority
number one. And there would be moats, full machine gun nests and orders to
shoot to kill on sight. Kind of like how Democrats treat Cubans or
Vietnamese refugees, actually. Those groups know how well the Democrat party
treats them. We all saw Democrat policy with Elian Gonzalez, didn't we?
Men with guns ripping children away to send them to Cuba. Every Democrat cheered
themselves hoarse--one less potential Republican!
Mia, you are just going to help them continue doing this again and again. The
only way to stop it, is to stop it. Please look up the ATEP (Alien
Transfer Exit Program (ATEP) under Obama. He did the same thing, and nothing was
said by you or the Press.
What?You mean Mia Love is getting all moral on us?Wow!
What a RINO!She might as switch parties.
This is a humanitarian crisis that is rapidly careening out of control, Mia
Love. Don't just issue a press release. Call a news conference. Get in
front of microphones. Make yourself visible front and center. You are the
personification of a refugee success story. You have the power to open some
closed minds. Do it!
I salute Ms. Love in this endeavor, Her Republican counterparts however will not
Mia Love and the GOP has been in charge for 18 months and we are no close to
having our immigration laws changed or Mexico building a wall. Unless
it's a bill to lower taxes for their biggest contributors or increasing our
spending and deficits trillions of more dollars, this Congress and President
haven't and won't accomplish anything.
Good to hear that not all Republicans are walking in goose-step with Trump.