LDS Church leaders ask Mormons to submit original songs for new global hymnbooks

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  • aggiefather Fulton, MO
    June 21, 2018 9:25 p.m.

    The problem with music in the LDS Church has less to do with the current hymnbook and more to do with the increasing scarcity of musicians among our members. In my ward, we sing the same few hymns week after week, including every hymns written in the key of C, regardless of its musicality. Except for Easter or Christmas, no thought is given to pairing hymns with Sacrament Meeting topics (which follow the monthly "Come Follow Me" themes). It is difficult for people to learn to love singing hymns when they never get to hear them played properly. I would like to see more traditional Heavenly Father/Christ-centered hymns of praise like Crown Him with many Crowns; Love Divine, All Loves Excelling; Beautiful Savior; Angel Voices Ever Singing; Praise My Soul the King of Heaven; and Christ is Made the Sure Foundation, all of which are set to beautiful tunes. I guess my problem is that I really enjoy singing beautiful hymns of praise and I rarely get that opportunity in my ward, "as presently constituted."

  • Hairy Reasoner Springville, UT
    June 21, 2018 2:36 p.m.

    If I had my druthers, I'd organize the hymns by parts of the meeting: opening, sacrament, intermediate, and closing. Every sacrament hymn would be long enough to allow the priests to break the bread without having to listen to the hymn repeated instrumentally a dozen times, every intermediate hymn would be up-tempo to help wake up the congregation, and no closing hymn could have more than two verses (please, no more "I Believe in Christ" as a closing hymn! Let's finish up already). This may be heresy to many, but I would not include "If You Could Hie to Kolob" in the hymnal. Why sing such a hymn with visitors and investigators in the congregation? Let's not weird them out from the get go. And eight versus? How about "There is no end to this song" as the last line.

    Adam S. Bennion once said, "What we need in the Church is good music, and more of it, and good speaking, and less of it." Amen!

  • caljimw Orem, UT
    June 21, 2018 7:24 a.m.

    The existing hymnal includes translated lyrics or melodies from other parts of the world. It is to be hoped the folks responsible for this project will include in their efforts music from peoples whose cultures are relatively new to the Church. To paraphrase President Hinckley: "Bring us your best, and let us add to it." The challenge of translation is not one with which the Church is unfamiliar, it's doable. And it has the potential of broadening our understanding and appreciation of our membership world.

  • KOMeal Walworth, NY
    June 21, 2018 5:33 a.m.

    Seems to me, that in this time of end days turmoil, calls for extra sacredness and reverence in Sacrament meetings. What if we had sections just for appropriate sacrament meeting worship hymns and then sections for songs to be sung together at other times for uplift and comfort? Sacrament meeting hymns are scripture to me and deeply Spiritually important. At the same time, I can see some of us needing some of those foot stomping blood moving songs, like early LDS pioneers sang around campfires. One thing for sure, we need music and ought to memorize songs for times of need. This morning I woke up mind hearing "Let US ALL Press ON." ....fear not, though the enemy deride...courage for the Lord is on our sides... :) The Lord's Spirit isn't going to bring to mind music we don't put in there...unless its to write some new music.... :)

  • Kevin CA, 00
    June 21, 2018 12:39 a.m.

    This is a massive undertaking and will not please everyone. As long as it pleases the Father, that is what matters. I am sure the popular hymns are not going anywhere. However, hymns like #121 I’m a Pilgrim, I’m a Stranger have to go.

    My ward sings Amazing grace ( Tab version) and Come Thou Fount (Max version) at least once a year. We also allow soft guitar that doesn't draw attention to itself. It will take years to complete the new English version and even longer to do all the translations. Every hymnbook in every language will have the same page numbers. Wards that like a certain hymn that is not included can still sing it. All power to those who are tasked with organizing this new hymnal.

  • Dan Maloy Enid, OK
    June 20, 2018 8:38 p.m.

    1st priority: put "Come Thou Fount of Every Blessing" back in. (Used to be in the old blue hymn books. Glad to see so many here want it back, too.)

    I am disappointed with how many think that "Onward Christian Soldiers" is not Christ-like.

    I LOVE the hymn, "Hope of Israel"....3rd verse:

    "Strike for Zion, down with error;
    Flash the sword above the foe!
    Ev'ry stroke disarms a foeman;
    Ev'ry step we conq'ring go."

    Are disciples of Christ militant? Nope, but we're not cowards, either, and we shouldn't act like ones.

    Keep the patriotic songs for each nation. The Book of Mormon is super clear that America is a land founded by God and our National Anthem brings the Holy Spirit in abundance. To claim otherwise is foolish.

    Honestly, I think I would remove "I Believe In Christ"...I love the words but that's a tough one to sing because it's so long and usually played too slowly. Maybe reduce the number of verses? Music is, or can be, a massive part of church worship and it disappoints me that so many people complain about our hymns and style: guitars? drums? No way, not in church.

    Keep "In Our Lovely Deseret", "Called To Serve" &"If You Could Hie To Kolob".

  • Skinny Skip from Ojai Ventura, CA
    June 19, 2018 7:28 p.m.

    I hope that they don't ditch, "In Our Lovely Deseret", that's my favorite.

  • strate taukr Bountiful, UT
    June 19, 2018 10:19 a.m.

    Elder Packer stated “don,t sing the dumb hymns...Sacrament meeting is not hymn practice.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    June 19, 2018 10:14 a.m.

    With the Family Search partnerships with the various groups that do DNA, it is possible to see that people are from many places and not just the United States of America.

    Having worked with United Nations men and women from dozens of countries, they all wanted to have the experience of Temple Square and hearing the beautiful music and especially the multicultural events.

    Some were desirous of going to the various Temple Open Houses in the Valleys as a lot of the know the sacredness of Temples in their own cultures.

    Good Music touches the heart and soul. Some of these men and women even had missionaries show up at their homes in their countries if they put their names and addresses down for wanting to know more.

    They all felt the Spirit and music was a part of that.

    The Lion House, also.

  • Oregon Native Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2018 9:56 a.m.

    Just some thoughts:

    I am kind of concerned that if we have all the same hymns for the entire world, that the lyrics may not translate well from one language to another. I think it would be difficult to translate a hymn word for word into another language, and keep the same meaning and emotion as it had in the original language. Also, in English, we tend to like our hymns to rhyme. If you try to make a hymn rhyme in another language, I’m afraid it might lose some of the deep meaning or message. I wonder if it might be good to find hymns that are very meaningful to specific cultures, and add those to their hymnbooks?

    I also think it would be a good idea for the music committee that is making these decisions to include people from as many cultures as possible. I think they would need their input as to how to create a hymnbook with hymns that are deep, meaningful, and spiritual for their own culture. Also, if you do try to translate hymns from English to their language, they could let you know if it works well, and if not, how to put the lyrics in a way that do have meaning, while still keeping the message.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    June 19, 2018 9:17 a.m.

    Having served missions in Central America and in Venezuela and Chile and also a career in the military in Europe and Asia, the Church is definitely world wide in more parts than the United States.

    A lot of the hymns may have been written in the United States of America, but the heritage of the words, thoughts and music are definitely multicultural. Some of my relatives came to Massachusetts in the 1600s from England but even some of those moved to Canada and some are still there today from east to west.

    The Scandinavian ancestors along with French and Germans are on both sides of the Atlantic.

    Music by itself is an international language in and of itself. The words are cement or mortar that binds the soul. In in the Temple instructions I can hear the music of birds in the background.

    Music is inspirational for God’s work on earth and hopefully forever.

  • Allen South Jordan, UT
    June 19, 2018 8:45 a.m.

    After the new book is published, we will know what songs made it. Then, the green books can be kept for use by ward and stake choirs. I still like some of the arrangements from the older brown book.

  • iNKSpot Wilsonville, OR
    June 19, 2018 6:56 a.m.

    Getting rid of national anthems is probably a wise move. Some years ago a friend of mine was surprised that I knew the words to "La Marseillaise," the national anthem where I served my first mission. He was even more surprised when I told him that the words were found in the French edition of our Church hymn book. Our second mission was in Canada, and I heard tales of people walking out of Church when someone thought singing "The Star-spangled Banner" was an appropriate hymn when the sabbath fell on the 4th of July.

  • Allen C Christensen American Fork, UT
    June 19, 2018 6:54 a.m.

    It seems to me that we need to encourage members to get their children involved in music education, both instrumental and vocal. It can be expensive. Yet, we need to get many more prepared to assist in the work by having musical skills. It may enable us to sing more hymns up to tempo, and there is a definite need for that.

    There is also a need to teach that hymn singing is an active part of congregational worship. "The song of the righteous is a prayer unto me, and it shall be answered with a blessing upon their heads." (D&C 25:12) There are hymns that like the Psalms have prophetic elements in them. Do we do teach that concept to our youth and young adults?

    Hymns need to encourage reverence for the sacred and appreciation for the task of building the kingdom of God. I remember with some emotion the period hymns sung at the dedication of the Nauvoo Temple. They were marvelous and moving. I hope we never lose such music from our collective memories. The committee given the charge to see to the new hymnal deserves our prayers as they undertake this challenging assignment.

  • Y Ask Y Provo, UT
    June 18, 2018 11:39 p.m.

    They have to add these:

    "Imagine" by John Lennon

    "Atheists don't have no songs" by Steve Martin

  • birder Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2018 9:58 p.m.

    @Alpha Male:
    I think the music and text submissions go before the music committees with no names attached.

  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2018 8:59 p.m.

    Several have requested that "Hie to Kolob" be removed. While the name of the hymn is a bit funky and the tune of the music less than perfect, ironically I think the words of that hymn are almost beyond almost any other, with a few exceptions. That hymn is so distinctly Mormon, and the words are so deep, that to remove it would be a shame.

    If there is one thing about Mormon thought that should capture the imagination and rhe deepest thoughts of any soul like no other it is the meaning in that hymn.

  • OC Fan Orange County, CA
    June 18, 2018 8:26 p.m.

    Please remove "Gladly, the Cross-eyed Bear" - it's not appropriate to make fun of a creature's vision problems, especially in church meetings where we're trying to be sensitive to the spirit.

    Please remove "Til We Reach the Golan Heights" - it's not appropriate to include an Israeli military song dating back to the Six-Day War.

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    June 18, 2018 8:20 p.m.

    would there be a prohibition against singing the national anthem in church? there are plenty of musical numbers done during sacrament meeting that are not in the hymnbook and allowed by handbook 2. Some wards do handel's messiah. I would hope wards in the U.S. would be allowed to and encouraged to have some patriotic music as long as it's uplifting.

  • esodije ALBUQUERQUE, NM
    June 18, 2018 7:57 p.m.

    You can delete anything by Evan Stephens at the same time....

  • MBB Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2018 7:57 p.m.

    I was just talking to my spouse last night that maybe it was time to update the hymnbook. I would really love if they included "Gethsemane" in the Primary hymn book. A group of our young boys sang it a few years back for the primary program and it was beautiful.

  • MBB Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2018 7:57 p.m.

    I was just talking to my spouse last night that maybe it was time to update the hymnbook. I would really love if they included "Gethsemane" in the Primary hymn book. A group of our young boys sang it a few years back for the primary program and it was beautiful.

  • jalapenochomper albuquerque, NM
    June 18, 2018 7:48 p.m.

    This will be a good opportunity to cleanse the palate. I love to sing, but for years I have refused to sing a portion of one verse of We Thank Thee Oh God For a Prophet. It just seems Jonah-like (and not according to the new Covenant) to be asking for our enemies to be smitten!!

    If we are going to keep it, then let's restore the original lyrics to Praise to the Man. Strikes me funny to call down curses on the state of Illinois!! Maybe add California for good measure (pun intended).

  • Susan Quinton Draper, UT
    June 18, 2018 7:34 p.m.

    We need hymns about letting go and forgiveness, and zen. Haha.

    Yes, come thou fount and please also do Amazing Grace, Jerusalem, Oh Divine Redeemer, I walked today where Jesus walked, The Impossible Dream, Behold the Lamb of God, Breath of Heaven, In Praise of God the Savior, Jerusalem of Gold, Jesu Joy of Man’s Desiring, Mary Did you Know, We Three Kings, The Mission, Oh come oh come Emmanuel, Simple Gifts, The Prayer, Oh Holy Night, Thy Word, When I survey the wondrous cross, Were you There, Holy Holy Holy, I want Jesus to Walk with Me, You’ll Never Walk Alone, The Lord’s Prayer, You Raise Me Up, Hallelujah from Messiah, Climb Every Mountain, and What a Wonderful World!

  • Richard Larson Galt, CA
    June 18, 2018 7:14 p.m.

    How about "Sweet Soul Sounds Are Still In My Soul" By Mike Hunt's Honorable Discharge?
    Anything by "The Swinging Johnsons".
    Or how about "Every Six Minutes" by Clam Dandy....

  • Hickory Hollow Brentwood, TN
    June 18, 2018 7:10 p.m.

    Two things that has always bothered me about some of our hymns:
    1. The title is very often taken from the first sentence of the song when there are much better and more accurate titles which could be taken from the chorus of the song or taken from phrases which are repeated in the song. I doubt this will ever be changed but it would be a big improvement in my opinion.
    2. Some of our hymns, in an effort to rhyme the verses, toss words in there for an easy rhyme that make very little sense or speak to the main idea the song is trying to get across.
    Thanks for listening.
    I'd love to see Amazing Grace added.

  • Hillbilly Willie Brentwood, TN
    June 18, 2018 7:00 p.m.

    AMAZING GRACE

  • loweye salt lake, UT
    June 18, 2018 6:58 p.m.

    I love "How Great Thou Art". I remember watching Billy Graham with my father, and when I heard it sung by George Beverly Shay, I wished the Church would include it in the hymnbook , but I thought it would never happen. I was thrilled when it was included in the current book.
    I led the singing in Sacrament Meeting for 7 years, and I could never use it without getting emotional. And It was sung at my mother's funeral.

    I would keep "The Spirit of God", "Brightly Beams Our Father's Mercy", "Lead, Kindly Light",
    "I Stand All Amazed","O My Father" And so many others. Adding "Amazing Grace" would be great. I'll need some time to decide on others.

    (I like "If You Could Hie to Kolob", but I can't remember the order of the words without the book.)

    I have a friend from England and it bothers her that their national anthem is "God Save the King" in the hymnbook when they have had a queen for 60 years.

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    June 18, 2018 6:56 p.m.

    Please add Victory in Jesus.

    Victory in Jesus my Savior forever, He sought me and He bought me with His redeeming blood...

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    June 18, 2018 6:41 p.m.

    I for one hope that The Battle Hymn of the Republic is kept in. I want to see any southerner who refuses to sing a hymn that glorifies the fight to end slavery driven from the Church. That hymn as it is written does not have specific references to any one place or time, at least in the current version in the hymnal. The only thing a little problematic is the name itself, but we can change that.

  • SeattleUte Bellevue, WA
    June 18, 2018 6:39 p.m.

    As a ward music chairperson, I find that many of the hymns should go away, like "If you could hie to Kolob".

    Pare down the sacrament hymns to 40.

    Add many primary songs like "I love to see the temple". So many times I have wanted to have that song in the program.

    Also, let's add a little "soul" to our songs. Sacrament meetings could be livened up a bit!

    Please, allow guitar accompaniment or solos. The guitar can be just as reverent as piano, flute or violin.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    June 18, 2018 6:32 p.m.

    The survey has a specific place to tell which hymns you want out. They do not explicitly ask for information on why, but there is no space limit, or if there is it is very large. So I explained most of the 6 or so hymns I want out. Most are basically ones that praise Utah, and make those of us who live in much of the US feel like we are in a church of Utah expats.

    I don't know if you can submit more than once, so you may want to deliberate awhile before submitting suggestions and ideas.

    I just want to say this is not change for the sake of change, but change because it is needed. The number of multi-lingual units is on the rise. Various trends suggest they will continue to rise. They most need a unified hymnbook, otherwise half the congregation may be lost if you chose a hymn not in both hymnbooks.

    Lastly I want to see included the hymn by President Nelson sung at the youth devotional.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    June 18, 2018 6:24 p.m.

    Can we submit lyrics without music in the hope that someone with the skill might be inspired to create the related music?

  • birder Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2018 6:19 p.m.

    I’ve been an organist for around 30 years, and yes, I play up to tempo. I’ve never in all that time played "Lean on My Ample Arm." It’s gotta go.

  • mightymite , 00
    June 18, 2018 6:03 p.m.

    This is going a bit to far. The church may be expanding globally but all is not equal. Utah and the US are policy makers and leaders. Don’t alienate the base.

  • Macfarren Dallas, TX
    June 18, 2018 5:50 p.m.

    It is not unusual for other hymnals to have 700-800 hymns, most of which go unsung. Even with our 300 or so, it is nice to hear we will be thinning a bit. A number of new hymns were introduced in the current edition that never really caught on for a number of reasons. Plus a number from the pioneer-era about Sunday school, Evening services, Utah, an Indian Band... There are certainly many good traditional pieces in other denominations that would make excellent additions, particularly given the growth and diversity in current membership.

  • sg newhall, CA
    June 18, 2018 5:44 p.m.

    Great. Yes there are hymns that need to be purged. Onward Christian Soldiers is one; Hie to Kolob is another; please don't add Amazing Grace; agree with someone who said Put Your Shoulder To The Wheel (is very socialistic); and definitely Call To Serve. Get rid of it!! It is a marching song that has no place in a hymnal. I vomit every time we sing it in Priesthood. It reminds me of socialism at its finest.

  • Macfarren Dallas, TX
    June 18, 2018 5:42 p.m.

    @JBs - Logan, UT

    Homeward Bound is about a horse.

  • RichardWalker St. George, UT
    June 18, 2018 5:31 p.m.

    My vote would be for the following classics:

    1. Bringing in the Sheaves
    2. Shall We Gather at the River
    3. Sweet Hour of Bread

  • JBs Logan, UT
    June 18, 2018 5:25 p.m.

    Homeward Bound, Tabernacle Choir version.

  • toosmartforyou Kaysville, UT
    June 18, 2018 5:19 p.m.

    I always chuckled when they sang "Firm as the Mountains Around Us" in Louisiana, Mississippi and West Texas.

    I think Soozie is pretty judgmental and narrow minded and has NO IDEA what takes place in the writing and revising of a Hymn Book. Having known and heard accounts from some of the people on the General Church Music Committee the last time the hymnal was revised, I assure you it is no easy task, nor is the assignment taken lightly or for granted.

    I do have a request but I will keep it to myself as I desire to avoid stirring up a hornet's nest.

  • JBs Logan, UT
    June 18, 2018 5:19 p.m.

    This is truly a global church and I applaud the sensitivity to all members demonstrated in this latest iteration of the hymns and children's songbooks. These are exciting times. (Even going so far as getting rid of KBYU, which I am *not* happy about. Oh well.)

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    June 18, 2018 5:02 p.m.

    I understand the desire for unity as well as the logistical issues of providing materials to a worldwide church.

    But I wonder if we are not going to miss out on having some local favorites in hymnals because they lack worldwide appeal.

    I'd love to see a hymnal that is something like 95% common, but had room for a half dozen local or regional favorites to be included. Patriotic favorites like national anthems might be appropriate in many cases.

    Any chance we can finally get Amazing Grace into the hymnal?

  • Nadya92129 San Diego, CA
    June 18, 2018 4:54 p.m.

    Thou Gracious God, Thy Mercy Lends.

  • Sequoya Stafford, VA
    June 18, 2018 4:40 p.m.

    Also like "Take Time to be Holy."

    how 'bout "The Battle of New Orleans!!!" ;-)

  • Katherine Centerville, UT
    June 18, 2018 4:28 p.m.

    "Hie to Kolob" is one of my most favorite hymns along with "I Believe in Christ". Our ward tries to sing all the hymns over the course of a couple of years. The challenge is that the church no longer allows for hymn practice in Sacrament or in Relief Society so we're forgetting some of our beautiful hymns. A good example of this is "Glorious Things Are Sung of Zion", one of the most beautiful hymns in the hymnal yet rarely sung.

  • Jimbo Low PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    June 18, 2018 4:24 p.m.

    "Rock of Ages" is one of my faves...but I like the Def Leopard version.

  • 1covey Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2018 4:19 p.m.

    Hie to Kolob is a great song and the setting by Vaugn Williams is wonderful, though I miss the original setting. Lord, I would follow Thee is very moving. I like the idea of having hymnbooks printed in national settings, with their associated patriotic songs; implements D & C Section 134, don't you know ! Practice hymns in Sacrament meeting is inappropriate, but Sunday school is a great place ( where it used to be done ). Btw, an occasional class in public speaking offered from time to time as a Sunday school class could improve Sacrament meetings, also. Concertising is rightfully discouraged in Sacrament meeting; content and style should be appropriate Moonlight Sonata is beautiful, but not music about faith. A hymn played by a trumpet is more appropriate than Moonlight Sonata played by the piano imo. ( I prefer the horn with its reflected sound ) I dislike Wilburg's (who is an otherwise favorite composer of mine ) arrangement of Handel's Messiah, because he cut a lot of the beautifully majestic Horn parts,

  • Blueblood1 Eden, UT
    June 18, 2018 3:53 p.m.

    Music is important to worship, but having so many hymns is untenable. New or unfamiliar hymns can be tried, but then no one knows them and the effort suffers. I suggest that we whittle them down. However, no matter what is kept and what is tossed, it would be a great thing if congregations could simply sing to the appropriate tempo. It seems the default setting is slower than the stated range.

  • Sequoya Stafford, VA
    June 18, 2018 3:48 p.m.

    Some of us subversives might be sneaky and distribute whole copies ( All verses of U.S. national anthem on 4 July weeks, or memorial day, or whatever. and also the other U.S. patriotic songs.) If the Mexicans, Canadians, etc, want to do same, I have no problem. Some country anthems like Argentina's where I served on my mission, might take the whole meeting to sing-- on Argentine independence week, that is OK. Else political correctness run amuck. "The rising of the Moon" would be interesting!!! ;-)

    I think they should keep "If you could Hie to Kolob." One of the most doctrinal songs there is. "Come Thou Font of every Blessing' is a great choice. Also "Arise Oh God and Shine," The king of love my Shepherd Is

  • Invisible Hand Provo, UT
    June 18, 2018 3:49 p.m.

    About half the hymn book consists of hymns that we rarely sing. There's a reason for this. It's because THEY AREN'T GOOD. If they were good they would have caught on. The fact that they haven't means we should us the process of trial and error to eliminate them. Eliminate the lesser known half of the hymn book, add a few like those suggested in this thread and perhaps some new ones to try out.

    I also hate overly cheerful songs. Scatter Sunshine sounds like a drinking song better suited to a pub. I can't sing it with a straight face. In Our Lovely Deseret is another cheery tune that has goofy, outdated lyrics.

  • Traveller Farmington, UT
    June 18, 2018 3:38 p.m.

    I will miss the patriotic songs. No need really for "God Save the King" in an American hymnbook, and "America the Beautiful" is nice but not really spiritual. But "The Star Spangled Banner" has some very spiritual lines in its last verse, as does "My Country 'Tis of Thee." It will be a shame to no longer have those for 4th of July meetings.

  • Red Corvette St George, UT
    June 18, 2018 3:38 p.m.

    "Drop kick me, Jesus through the goal posts of life" and "Jesus Christ Superstar" get my vote.

  • Timinator West Jordan, UT
    June 18, 2018 3:34 p.m.

    I like the church providing exact doctrine for the entire church membership. Don't see the need to provide exact culture. I think hymnbook has to do with culture as well, so why not allow each culture to have their own hymnbook. Perhaps it is a cost savings thing.

  • ironmania San Diego, CA
    June 18, 2018 3:34 p.m.

    The old (pre-1990s) Spanish hymnal had a great song about brushing your teeth, and about microbes rejoicing inside the mouth of a kid who refused to brush his. Bring it back, I say!!

  • Johnny Triumph Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2018 3:23 p.m.

    I hope the older generations will speak up and get beloved hymns added back that were dropped in 1985.

  • AzPete Mesa, AZ
    June 18, 2018 3:18 p.m.

    On the rare occasion that we do sing the National Anthem in church - at the conclusion, I have the almost unstoppable desire to yell, "Play Ball!!"

  • bamafone Salem, UT
    June 18, 2018 3:15 p.m.

    Sad to see, but there are a few slow ones I'd like to see disappear, or at least put a drum or guitar to lol. Brave Robin has some good suggestions but I swear I thought he was already inactive lol.

  • ArizonaMormon ,
    June 18, 2018 3:14 p.m.

    Big J said,

    ""If You Could Hie to Kolob" must go. It is the worst hymn out there. It is beyond me how it ever got in there in the first place."

    I love that hymn. It might not be the best to sing in a sacrament meeting with new members, concerts etc. (Milk before meat?). But I love that hymn's sense of grandeur. It captures in a small way the size and scope of the eternities.

  • andyjaggy American Fork, UT
    June 18, 2018 3:14 p.m.

    I would like to see additional instruments welcomed in sacrament meeting as well. I have always been bothered by the fact that we can have flutes and violins, but for some reason leadership thinks that the spirit can't be felt with other instruments. I'm telling you the trumpet can be just as spiritual as the flute.

    It's the same reason I can't stand most popular LDS music, it's so light and airy and wispy, as if people think you can only feel the spirit if it's quiet and wispy.

  • MedMormonDad ,
    June 18, 2018 2:55 p.m.

    The Spanish Hymnbook has a beautiful hymn, "Placentero nos es trabajar." It's an original LDS hymn, and Spanish is the original language. It was written by an early Spanish-speaking convert and missionary to Mexico. I hope they can retain that hymn in the Spanish hymnal and introduce it to the English one as well. There is a whole heritage of the Church in Spanish-speaking countries and I hope we can honor and celebrate that and share it with the English speaking Saints as well.

  • Fabled Soul Provo, UT
    June 18, 2018 2:50 p.m.

    The Constitution and America were established by God according to scripture. Singing the US national anthem is a celebration of God’s will. Does this church no longer believe that?

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    June 18, 2018 2:49 p.m.

    It's time to...

    Add: Amazing Grace, Come Thou Font
    German Christmas hymns 'O Du Frohliche, Tochter Sion, Still, Still, Still, etc.
    Include other hymns from other nations
    Drop - Ring Out, Wild Bells

    Drop:

    Any hymn where the tempo is below 80 (unless it's a Sacrament hymn)

    Any hymn where the men or women aren't singing the whole hymn.

    Have Sister Gladys Knight teach us all how to 'sing'

  • Timinator West Jordan, UT
    June 18, 2018 2:48 p.m.

    Why do we need a one size fits all hymnbook. I like the idea of each culture that has their own songs. I don't think it is the goal of the church to have everyone the same. Maybe its to save on costs, but each culture will lose some meaningful songs.

  • Big J Bountiful, UT
    June 18, 2018 2:44 p.m.

    "If You Could Hie to Kolob" must go. It is the worst hymn out there. It is beyond me how it ever got in there in the first place.

  • Spellman789 Syracuse, UT
    June 18, 2018 2:43 p.m.

    So this is why the music section of lds.org hasn't been updated lately! They have their hands full doing something more important! I am so excited I can't even begin to express it. I LOVE the hymns and the songs from the children's songbook, and I cannot WAIT to see what the new books will have in them.
    Whenever someone comes home from a mission and says "In such and such a country, they sing this hymn that we don't have...." It always makes me feel a little sad that we miss out on that bit of the Spirit. Now, we all get to share a little bit more with each other.

  • legalwriterut Providence, UT
    June 18, 2018 2:32 p.m.

    I like Faith in Every Footstep. One ward I attended inserted Faith in Every Footstep to each hymnal at church. For historical context, the committee for the current hymnal excluded the patriotic songs, but Ezra Taft Benson and others lobbied to include the patriotic songs. Many wards in the American South still refuse to sing Battle Hymn of the Republic from my understanding. "And what about patriotic songs like 'America the Beautiful' and 'Battle Hymn of the Republic'? This question was quickly answered by the First Presidency: all American patriotic songs were out. . . [S]ome General Authorities . . . wanted to overturn the hymnbook committee’s decisions. (Elders Ezra Taft Benson and Mark E. Petersen, for example, lobbied to get patriotic songs back in.)" Michael Hicks, “How to Make (an Unmake) a Mormon Hymnbook,” in A Firm Foundation: Church Organization and Administration, ed. David J. Whittaker and Arnold K. Garr (Provo, UT: Religious Studies Center, Brigham Young University; Salt Lake City: Deseret Book, 2011), 503–19.

    How about adding Rise and Shout (BYU fight song)? Just kidding.

  • robin138 springfield, VA
    June 18, 2018 2:12 p.m.

    I would like to have some of the African American spirituals such as "Swing Low, Sweet Chariot" , "Michael Row the Boat Ashore" and "Nobody Knows the Trouble I've Seen" included. I am a convert to the Church and we sang these when I was a child. I love them!

  • Br. Jones East Coast, MD
    June 18, 2018 2:09 p.m.

    @ Diego De La Vega - if they extend the three-hour block just for hymn practice, I'm leaving to go worship with the Catholics!

  • Not-in-Utah-anymore , CA
    June 18, 2018 2:07 p.m.

    I'm not saying I want to see them tossed, but I'm also not a big fan of the martial-sounding hymns like "Onward Christian Soldiers" or especially "We are all Enlisted." And am I the only one who cringes at the communist-sounding line in "Put Your Shoulder to the Wheel" when it talks about wearing "the worker's seal"? (Yes, I know it's probably a pioneer reference, but still...)

  • opinion 47 SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    June 18, 2018 2:00 p.m.

    Why is the organ central to
    our hymns,? time to
    move on. We don’t need a drum set up there but goodness , we are going to lose our youth if we stick to the old customs. I assure you the spirit can be felt with other instruments .

  • ji_ Ketchikan, AK
    June 18, 2018 1:34 p.m.

    After thirty years, it’s time. Not because the existing hymnbook is bad (it isn’t), but just because it has been thirty years. I hope they take their time and don’t rush.

    Anyone hoping that a new hymnbook will result in more lively singing and accompaniment is likely to be disappointed. In wards with funeral dirge music now, the cause of your problem is not the hymnbook — with the new hymnbook, the new hymns will still be played like funeral dirges.

  • CAAZFR Mesa, AZ
    June 18, 2018 1:34 p.m.

    The French hymnbook has "Souviens Toi" (tune of "Goin' Home") sometimes sung by the Choir. It is beautiful as translated in French.

  • windsor Logan, UT
    June 18, 2018 1:17 p.m.

    I hope they don't just jettison some hymns which are considered 'older' just to placate Millennials--or those who complain a lot but don't or won't actually sing.

    If Michael Moody (who was at one time the chairman of Church music) Mack Wilburg, Ryan Murphy and Ryan Eggett have a hand in all this, then I will have no worries at all. :)

  • Kaladin Northern, CO
    June 18, 2018 12:59 p.m.

    @PArunningwoman133 - Glad to see I am not the only one whose soul darkens a bit with the "sunshine" hymns. Blech! We seem to sing them constantly. Bet they all stay though.

  • happymom123 Clearfield, UT
    June 18, 2018 12:59 p.m.

    This is great news to helps us out in preparing to be more united in preparatory of our Savior's second coming! What a great continuing way to guide and direct us on this path! It is a breath of fresh air with the ever-changing negativity that is taking place in the world today and what lies ahead as well. I would rather strive to be positive every step of the way if it means that our Heavenly Father has a hand it in, which he has had. Change is good even though it may take place fast, but that is good since it keeps us from being too complacent. "Lord I Would Follow Thee" is a great reminder of this.

  • MAYHEM MIKE Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2018 12:52 p.m.

    I would like to recommend “Behold the Wounds in Jesus’ Hands“, by David Naylor. Heartbreakingly beautiful melody and touching lyrics.

  • Diego De La Vega South Jordan, UT
    June 18, 2018 12:48 p.m.

    I already answered the on-line survey sponsored by the LDS Church music committee. I would like to see the Matt Wilberg version of "Come Thou Font of Every Blessing in the new hymn book. I would like the new hymn book to include more hymns and arrangements of hymns. In my branch, they sing the same fifteen hymns over and over. There needs to be time every week where the members of a ward or branch will learn new hymns that were be sung on a regular basis. The hymn practice should be part of the regular block of meetings every Sunday, even if the three hour block is increased by thirty minutes. Singing the hymns of Zion add a lot to the spirituality of LDS meetings.

  • PArunningwoman133 Saylorsburg, PA
    June 18, 2018 12:46 p.m.

    Definitely put "Come Thou Fount of Every Blessing" back in the hymn book again and definitely remove "Scatter Sunshine" permanently. It was our opening hymn in Relief Society yesterday and I couldn't even sing it.

  • PArunningwoman133 Saylorsburg, PA
    June 18, 2018 12:37 p.m.

    Definitely add "Come Thou Fount of Every Blessing" and definitely get rid of "Scatter Sunshine"!
    That was the opening hymn in Relief Society yesterday and I simply could not sing it!

  • bass679 Novi, MI
    June 18, 2018 12:21 p.m.

    I just want to second BraveSirRobin. Well maybe not the inactive part but definitely all the rest.

  • DNdep West Jordan, UT
    June 18, 2018 12:07 p.m.

    I know many think "How Great Thou Art" is wonderful, but please, let Billy Graham have it. It's my least favorite, it has doctrinal issues and there are many others out there much better. When it shows up on the Sunday meeting program, my spirit withdraws.

  • Br. Jones East Coast, MD
    June 18, 2018 12:03 p.m.

    Hallelujah, new songs for us to sing badly! :) But seriously, this is welcome news. I hope we get some great "new to us" hymns from around the world.

    And I know it's a super-Protestant song but I do love "Amazing Grace."

  • MPS Kirtland, NM
    June 18, 2018 11:56 a.m.

    I am eagerly looking forward to a new collection of hymns and children's songs. I feel like a kid at Christmas, but maybe worse because with the time frame of "several years" I will have "can't wait-itis." I have served as pianist, organist, Primary Music Leader, congregational music leader, and choir director and have a love for the hymns and children's songs.

    I note that national anthems will not be included in the new collections. I applaud this. If we are trying to be global church, united in one heart, having the same hymns world wide will be terrific. Not that national anthems are a bad thing, but I like the idea that we come to church meetings to sing the songs of Zion and not to worry about national or political songs.

  • JRL in AZ Tucson, AZ
    June 18, 2018 11:53 a.m.

    I would love to see the years' worth of suggestions that have already been made for the hymn book. This committee has a lot of work to do. So very exciting!

  • Mack2828 Ft Thomas, KY
    June 18, 2018 11:48 a.m.

    I'm sure this is well intended and after 30 years it's more than reasonable to make a revision, but am I the only one that feels like we have been having a little too much change in the church over the past several months? Maybe it's time to take a bit of a breather and let the membership adjust a bit. Change is kind of like perfume, some is good but too much is not.

  • Alpha Male Roy, UT
    June 18, 2018 11:41 a.m.

    This is indeed a breath of fresh air. I hope the committee will put the major of the review of each considered piece on the music itself and not the composer. Thus developing new talent in this area and give the unknown artist a break instead of always using the same people

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    June 18, 2018 11:41 a.m.

    All I ask is:
    Keep "If you could hie to Kolob"
    Add "Come thou fount"
    Remove "Lord, I would follow thee"

    Do those 3 things or I'm going inactive. ;)

  • Soozie Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2018 11:38 a.m.

    Such welcome news! The current HYMN BOOK is pretty outdated and bad. Let's get some life into the music! So often it sounds like a funeral instead of a worship service....Wish we could stand up and praise but that might be pushing it?

  • Kaladin Northern, CO
    June 18, 2018 11:17 a.m.

    Hallelujah! I have been hoping for this for years. I know it is a huge undertaking and I am glad the church is undertaking it.

  • Pacer Bountiful, UT
    June 18, 2018 11:11 a.m.

    Time to get "Amazing Grace" added to the hymnal.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    June 18, 2018 10:57 a.m.

    My suggestion - "Stairway to Heaven"

  • rzamor1 American Fork, UT
    June 18, 2018 10:55 a.m.

    Yay!!! I will suggest my favorite, "Come Thou Fount of Every Blessing".

  • Madden Herriman, UT
    June 18, 2018 10:47 a.m.

    This is great. In Italy, "Mandate Voci" is a beautiful and popular hymn. I'd love to see it and other great local hymns in our hymnbooks here. Will they cull some of the historically least popular hymns with this revamp? And put classics like Come Thou Fount back?