Never did see Payton's "tremendous talent". Eric Mika, also
6'10", played circles around him from the first. The cost of quitting a
program you're failing in to try to find a small enough pond to be a big
fish in is tantamount to officially surrendering your dreams. This move will not
work Dastrup into star player D-1 shape; he has to do that himself, and is
attempting to approach the next destination from a down position. If he truly is
as talented as he's been cracked up to be, he'd be much better off
taking a redshirt year to condition and develop, then return to BYU in a
reinvented and retooled version with hoopla he can back up, future hopes intact.
Good luck, but I don't give this move much credence.
This is embarrassing. The overhype Dnews just wrote an article saying how great
it was for Rose to already have his roster set. OOOOPS!
azute1 Your current coach is so afraid of playing BYU in the
Marriott Center that he paid $80k out of his own pocket to postpone having to
play at BYU for a year.
“Thanks for the laugh.”Actually, what you should find
rewarding is having it pointed out that against our current HC, Coach K, dr has
become an afterthought & will continue to lose more than he wins against
him, PERIOD.Nice try.Thanks for the laugh.GO
azute1 Nice try, but cluelessly bragging about a puny
little 3-game winning streak, within the midst of losing 12 of the last 16, most
in dominating fashion, is hysterical.Thanks for the laugh.
BYU jumps the shark again!!
@scoresMakes me wonder if Coach Rose tried to persuade him to stay or to
leave. For me, I will miss him in a Cougars uniform.@intrinsicrewardsBest of luck to Payton. Another net loss to a program
which cannot afford it. I hope I am wrong.------------------No doubt about it, this is going to be seen as a painful loss. Seems
like Coach Rose did try to persuade him to stay but I think it was too little
too late and more likely the collateral damage from Coach Schroyer's
constant barrage of insults all last season was too much to overcome. Just
recently Rose started talking up Payton as a potential or even probable starter
this coming season, very likely in an effort to convince him to stay but I think
the damage was done.I feel badly for Payton because he was such a
good guy and a good, supportive teammate who delivered some really big moments
in the little bit of time he played. We likely don't beat Utah this year
and see the losing streak become 4 in a row without Payton. We also likely
don't beat UMass either without his contribution, those were 2 of our
better wins this season.
@jelloOh no! Who’s going to wave the towel and put 3 fingers up on a
made 3?Seriously, good shooter, poor rebounder, poor defense.
Wasn’t making the transition from star HS player to star college player.
He was going to be the 3rd option at center and at best the 4th or 5th option at
forward. ---------------Dude...did Payton take your
parking spot at the BYU Testing Center or something and that's why you have
such an axe to grind that you'll just make negative stuff up and talk trash
about him without any supporting data?Go watch or listen to the
BYU-SN episode from 5/25 and listen to the part where Dave Rose himself states
that players like Payton and Rylen weren't just being considered supporting
roles or bit parts but he said they would, "not only be possible starters or
potential starters but probable starters in some situations." You keep putting forth nothing but biased opinion like it's fact yet you
offer no fact to support it. We can't take what you're saying with any
credibility. The part I put in quotes was word for word what Rose said about
Payton's role next season (if he returned). It crushes what you're
saying. From the horses mouth.
@GruncleWhat? Almost every comment on here is opinion. I
mistakenly thought that's what we were able to express.🤗
Chatman left because he knew he could be a major contributor against the best
teams in college basketball as he has proven in the ACC, and also realized the Y
wasn’t willing to work very hard to have him stay.I think he
took the high road by letting the law school take the heat rather than the
basketball staff, which was much more responsible for his departure than the law
school (he ended up in the MBA program at BC).In short, BC shared
Chatman’s belief that he could excel both on the court and in the
classroom and opened up avenues for him to do so. BYU opted not to do so.
Chatmans leaving was all about minutes and not being on the winning side of
Coach Rose famous LP3 commitments. Rose bet the proverbial "farm" on
those three players, and was willing to sacrifice good players (Chatman) to keep
them intact. That didn't work out so well... but that's a coaches
decision. I can imagine there was a lot of pressure from the Haws clan, to play
TJ. Chatman would have been a better choice.... but I am biased for sure.
Chatmans are family friends. Class people in every way. It was terrible how he
(and his sister who played on the women's team) were treated. I
don't know enough about Dastrup to make a knowledgeable comment of why he
is leaving, but I sure did appreciate the kids attitude on game night. He was
always animated and cheering for his teammates who were playing ahead of him. I
respect that in any athlete who has been very successful as a high school
talant. No doubt it's about play time...but it could be more, just as it
was with Chatman and being on the "losing side" of Coach Rose decisions.
Perhaps it will play out for the best for Dastrup. I hope so. He has earned a
shot at his dream, and apparently it was not going to come at BYU.
Best of luck to Payton. Another net loss to a program which cannot afford it.
I hope I am wrong.
@mindgames ; @LonestarRemind me again why Jordan Chatman left.My recollection was that because the law school wouldn’t let him play
basketball he decided to move on, because he wanted to attend a school that
would allow him to still play.--------------That's
the excuse he gave but it seems curious and a little disingenuous when you
consider he went to BC and entered the MBA program and not the Law School. Why
didn't he do that and stay at BYU? He could've remained a Cougar,
unless the Law school thing wasn't the real issue and it had more to do
with his feelings about his role on the team.Isn't that called
a smokescreen? His Dad has been pretty open about why he left and was not happy
with coaches and his role on the team.
@jello"Harding is a forward. Dastrup is too soft to play the 5
so yes, they do compete for minutes." Harding is a 2 or a 3 while
Payton is a 4 or a 5 depending on the team we're playing. You would never
see PD playing a 3 just as you wouldn't see the 6'5" Harding
playing the 4. They play very different positions."On defense he
was continually out of position."Yes it happens with young players,
Payton wasn't the only one. With experience they eventually improve. Childs
was often out of position defending the PNR, Seljaas as well. Re-watch the 2nd
half of the St Mary's game in Provo this past season for multiple
examples."Stats show that BYU had a lower point differential
when Dastrup was on the court vs. Nixon or Worthington."What stats?
Please provide evidence."Of all of our bigs, Dastrup had less
rebounds per minute played than everyone else."False. Per minute he
was 2nd on the team in rebounds trailing only Childs and well ahead of Luke or
Dalton. This doesn't even require extensive bball knowledge to
comprehend. "you ar the guy that espouses to run and gun, less
defense and structure."False. Please provide evidence that I've
made those statements.
Remind me again why Jordan Chatman left.My recollection was that because
the law school wouldn’t let him play basketball he decided to move on,
because he wanted to attend a school that would allow him to still play.How is that Coach Rose’s bad?As far as Payton Dastrup, I
don’t know his full story but it does appear that his playing time was the
issue. Today’s player wants more than a scholarship, and a ticket to
professional basketball needs playing time to get punched, so he will find a
program that allows him that option.Best of luck to Payton. You are an
inspirational teammate and a fan favorite. I will miss you and follow your
Cont’d—Alongside the talented group of freshmen the Utes
have forthcoming is 6-foot-3 guard Charles Jones, Jr., who will transfer to Utah
after time at the College of Southern Idaho. Jones was named the NCJAA
basketball player of the year, averaging 15 points per game and shooting 47
percent from the field and 43 percent of beyond the arc.”GO
“The Runnin’ Utes roster received a significant boost on Friday.Both Gach, a four-star, 6-foot-7 forward/guard combo from Chandler,
Ariz., committed to the Utah basketball program Friday afternoon, choosing the
Utes over San Diego State and Texas Tech. Gach is ranked No. 37 at his position
in the 2018 class by 247Sports. He explained his decision to commit to Utah on
his Twitter account, thanking his family and coaches for helping him throughout
the process.Gach’s Twitter post referenced himself as
“The Missing Piece,” with Utah’s incoming 2018-18 freshmen
class that already includes shooting guard Naseem Gaskin (Oakland, Calif.),
small forward Timmy Allen (Mesa, Ariz.), power forward Riley Battin (Oak Park,
Calif.) and center Lahat Thioune (Melbourne, Fla).Gach transferred
to Arizona Compass Prep school in Chandler for his senior season, but made the
announcement Friday inside his former high school gym in Austin, Minn.
“Utah hasn't beat BYU since 2015.”byu-p has merely
1 W over us in the last 5 yrs.Our Coach K > dr, PERIOD.GO UTES!
@jelloSeriously, good shooter, poor rebounder, poor defense. ----------------Please please please back this up with some
relevant data and not just your opinion.
@skywalkerChatman, his numbers are only slightly better than TJ Haws in
some areas, worse in others; TJ was MUCH better in Assists, Steals and BlocksAnd let's forget post season:BYU lost in double OT 86-83 at #3 seed
Stanford in the NIT First RoundBC was blown out 79-62 at #4 seed Western
Kentucky in the NIT First Round-----------Of course
Haws' assist totals were better, he primarily played the 1 while Jordan
played off the ball. I didn't watch any BC games to see why Jordan's
steal numbers were so low. If you look at BC as a team their steal numbers top
to bottom were really low (only 2 players avg more than 1 steal a game). Same
with blocked shots. It might be a coaching/schematic thing and not a player
ability thing. Also, SOS figures in. Chatman guards tougher players
night in and night out (ACC) where we've seen Haws usually get the easier
defensive assignments in games with WCC teams (Hardnett and Bryant draw the
tougher players). BC's SOS (7.20) is 4 times that of BYU (1.53) so
that's going to factor in in a big way.Btw, W Kentucky went to
the NIT Final Four and Stanford lost in the 2nd round to OK St (who then lost to
WKU in the Quarterfinals).
Had Payton been given Luke's minutes, and Luke gotten Payton's, I bet
they'd both still be Cougars now - and overall the team would've done
at least as well as the 24-11 mark they gave us last season, if not better.
azute1BYU owns the overall series 130-128 and has beaten U 12 of the
last 16, with 9 dominating double-digit wins, including last season, and three
20+ point blowouts.Utah hasn't beat BYU since 2015.You were soundly beaten last season (down by 16 in the final minute) by a BYU
team that was dominated by Freshmen and Sophomores.Even with loss of
Bryant, BYU will be a much better team in 2018-19.How much more
"owned" do you need to be, to be "owned"?
Definition of getting “owned”:————You completely evaded me on my
absolutely 100% RELEVANT point——dr’s 2-3 record against our
current HC, Coach K.Reread my comment again.Congratulations to dr on taking advantage of a down time in our overall
illustrious history, post-Coach RM/pre-Coach K——YAWN.GO
UTES!p.s. We’ve now landed AZ’s #1 recruit, 4 star BG,
in addition to AZ’s #2 recruit, 4 star TA....Our incoming class is
weighing in on the Dastrup debate....PD wasn't going to take
Yoeli's minutes. My beef with this past season was why did Worthington
play more than PD? Their respective stats are -Minutes played ---
Luke - 516 Peyton - 252Since Luke played double the
minutes he should've produced more than double the other figures we can
quantify, right? In the following non-scoring statistical categories I see the
following from Cougar team stats for 2017-18: Player | OR | DR | TR
| pf | ast | to| bk | stLuke | 36 | 62 | 98 | 78 | 16|20| 7 | 13Peyton | 10 | 48 | 58 | 31| 14|20|14 | 10Based on the
"double formula" I mentioned above I rate Luke better in 2 categories,
Peyton better in 5, and in overall rebounding they're just about even.We can knock PD's defensive skills. But statistically we'd
have to get real down in the dirt to find out how many points opponents scored
while either was on the floor to rate that one. Luke's a
disaster at the free throw line and can't score from beyond 6 - 8 feet.
Maybe PD isn't all his recruiting hype said he was. But he's at least
as good as Luke overall, yet he only played half as much. Why was that?
Well, for Heaven's sake, please get the chocolate chip cookies ready and
Gruncle Ralph"Chatman has been better than both Haws and
Hardnett on several levels and done it in a significantly more difficult
conference. "Despite your glowing assessment of Chatman, his
numbers are only slightly better than TJ Haws in some areas, worse in others; TJ
was MUCH better in Assists, Steals and Blocks:Player | GP | MIN |
PPG | RPG | APG | SPG | BPG | TPG | FG% | FT% | 3P%T J Haws | 35 | 33.7
| 11.7 | 2.7 | 4.2 | 1.2 | 0.3 | 1.9 | .410 | .837 | .309Chatman | 34 |
36.8 | 12.9 | 2.9 | 1.6 | 0.6 | 0.0 | 0.8 | .415 | .899 | .395And
let's forget post season:BYU lost in double OT 86-83 at #3 seed
Stanford in the NIT First RoundBC was blown out 79-62 at #4 seed Western
Kentucky in the NIT First Round
If Chatman would have stayed he would have taken minutes from Bryant. I like
Bryant better. Harding is a forward. Dastrup is too soft to play the
5 so yes, they do compete for minutes. On defense he was continually
out of position. Stats show that BYU had a lower point differential when Dastrup
was on the court vs. Nixon or Worthington. Of all of our bigs, Dastrup had less
rebounds per minute played than everyone else. BYU will be no worse
with him gone than if he stayed. All he was is depth, period. And
speaking on wrong at so many levels, you ar the guy that espouses to run and
gun, less defense and structure. The more you shoot, the more you score. You’ll see. Quit commenting with your heart and use your head and
Gruncle RalphChatman left because BYU's Law School
wouldn't let him study law and play basketball at the same time.Boston College said he could do both, although he decided to study Business at
BC instead.He would have seen just as much playing time at BYU as he
saw at BC if he'd stayed at BYU.
re: "During the Rose era, BYU has never missed playing in the NCAA or NIT
and BYU has always won at least 20+ games"BobbyPaluga: "Like
WOW, Friend, a good intermurall [sic] team should win 20+ games with BYU's
non-conference schedule and the 7 bottom of the Barrel dwellers of the
WCC."LOL!You seem to know nothing at all about
BYU's history.During the Rose era (since 2005-06): BYU has played in 8 NCAA's and 5 NIT's, w/ a Sweet 16, Rnd of 32,
and 2 NIT Final FoursUtah has played in 3 NCAA's and 3 NIT's, w/
a Sweet 16, Rnd of 32, and 1 NIT Final FourBYU has struggled a
little with very young teams the last couple of seasons, but has never finished
lower than 3rd in the MWC or WCC during the Rose era.BYU fans
clamoring for "greener pastures" are undervaluing the consistency of
Rose's 20+ win seasons, just like they undervalued Mendenhall's 9- and
10-win seasons.btw, BYU's RPI in 2018 was #65, not nearly the
disaster you suggested, and unlike our friends on the hill, Rose isn't
afraid to play in SLC, Ogden, Logan or even Orem during the pre-season.And let's not forget, Rose has owned Utah 13-6, including 10 double-digit
portlander - Arlington, WABYU, a very big school, should be on top of the
WCC, Are you talking campus size or student enrollment? Either way,
there is no correlation between being a "very big school" and athletic
success. This is not high school.
@jelloNow, tell me which BYU transfer has gone on to anything other than a
one year starter at another school and proved better than any of BYU's
starters at the time?--------------...more on this.
Chatman has been better than both Haws and Hardnett on several levels and done
it in a significantly more difficult conference. Chatman has:shot better (2nd in ACC in 3pt%, 5th in 3pt FGM - Chatman was better than
Haws/Hardnett combined)better offensively overall (9th in ACC in Off
Rtg with 122.8, Hardnett was 97.3 and Haws was 106.9 - both not even in the same
league)better +/- than both Haws and Hardnett combinedsignificantly better TOV% (Haws/Hardnett were both double Chatman's %)higher scoring avg (Chatman 12.9, Haws 11.7 and Hardnett 6.0)Chatman has been a starter in both of his seasons at BC and will be a starter
again this coming season (his 3rd and final season there). Chatman did this
against a schedule full of nationally ranked programs like Duke, Virginia,
Clemson, UNC, Miami as well as NCAA tournament teams like FSU, Syracuse, VaTech,
NC St, and traditional powers like Louisville, Notre Dame, etc. He's not playing cupcakes in the WCC.
(-cont)@jelloWhat makes you think that was going to change? And yes,
Baxter and Harding were rated higher than Dastrup out of HS. I have
a lot of hope for BYU this year. I never saw Dastrup as anything other than a
bit role player.Now, tell me which BYU transfer has gone on to
anything other than a one year starter at another school and proved better than
any of BYU's starters at the time?-----------------As for the comment on what makes you think Payton would change, he's
already changed dramatically from his freshman year to his sophomore year, what
evidence besides your opinion can you put forth that shows he hasn't?
He's lost close to 50 lbs, improved his athleticism and stamina, improved
both his Def and Off Rtg, improved his shooting pcts, improved as a shot
blocker, improved Win Shares per 40min, Off/Def box +/-, etc etc etc.Also, Harding and Baxter were not higher rated recruits. PD was an ESPN top
100 recruit, Baxter and Harding weren't. PD had 19 major conf offers
including schools like AZ, Kansas, UVA, UCLA, etc. Harding and Baxter combined
don't even come close (it's laughable to even say otherwise).Last, Chatman has been better than Haws and Hardnett.
@jelloThe following frontcourt players were going to see more PT than
Dastrup: Childs, Worthington, Baxter, Harding, Nixon, ...and probably Shaw and
Andrus as well. Outside of shooting the 3, he wasn't cutting it...-------------Please....just stop. You're wrong on so many
levels. For starters, Harding and Dastrup don't even play the same position
so the comparison isn't even relevant to PD.As for PD's
playing time this year, Rose had already gone on record stating he had a large
role this coming season, possibly even as a starter. To say he was going to play
less than guys like Shaw or Andrus is just ludicrous.PD did more
than just shoot the 3. However you slice it he was BYU's 2nd best rebounder
after Childs (per 40, TRB%, per100). He also was better defensively than you
give him credit for. His def box +/- was 2nd to Childs and more than double
anyone else. His Def Rtg was also the best on the team last year by several pts
and his BLK% was #1 (Childs was #2).Yes he was inconsistent on D but
so was Childs at times (PNR defense was not good 2 yrs in a row). Most
sophomores are inconsistent (Haws, Emery, Jimmer, etc were all inconsistent as
"During the Rose era, BYU has never missed playing in the NCAA or NIT and
BYU has always won at least 20+ games"Like WOW, Friend, a good
intermurall team should win 20+ games with BYU's non-conference schedule
and the 7 bottom of the Barrel dwellers of the WCC. You seem to know nothing at
all about SOS, RPI, or the many ratings that become part of the reason to be
included to the Big Dance. An invitation to the NIT is a certificate indicating
you had a mediocre year. A coach is responsible for filling the seats,
recruiting, developing players, winning at home and on the road, getting to the
Big Dance and keeping his players happy and eligible. No basketball person would
give Dave Rose a better grade than a D over the last two seasons. Dave is making
too much money for a "D" coach.
azute1 Definition of getting “owned”:12 of
the last 16, with nine dominating double-digit wins, including last season, and
three 20+ point blowouts.The Utes have only won ONE game in the
Marriott Center in the last decade and that by a measly 4 points.
@portlander : "Gonzaga, St. Mary's, 1 & 2 in the WCC for the
foreseeable future. BYU, a very big school, should be on top of the WCC, and
that is what is so disappointing to most disaffected fans. It has very little to
do the talent on the team. It seems to have everything to do with the coaching,
game planning and development of the players."Gonzaga has been
an elite program for a long time and Saint Mary's has that Australian
pipeline going for them that has produced loads of talent, so it's no shame
that BYU has finished behind those two most seasons, but even against those two
BYU has had some success, beating the Zags three straight times on their home
court and beating the Gaels in the WCC tournament last season.Rose
has developed some very good players - Jimmer, Davies, Kyle Collinsworth, Keena
Young, Cummard, Tyler Haws, Bryant, Childs - but where BYU has fallen short in
the WCC is losing one or two games each season to conference bottom dwellers.
That's been the biggest difference separating BYU from Gonzaga and Saint
Mary's.Clean that up, and BYU will be a championship
contender.Don't be too surprised to see BYU finish ahead of
Saint Mary's this season.
“Serious talent on the verge of stardom.“Isn’t
this comparable to what we heard regarding the LP3—-Leading byu-p to the
promised land multiple yrs, etc.?“And, let's not forget,
Rose has owned that team on the hill.”Minus our Coach
K’s throwaway 1st yr, w/out even a single recruit of his, what is
dr’s record against him? 2-3? That’s hardly “owning”
@portlander - Arlington, WAJune 1, 2018 10:20 a.m."Gonzaga, St. Mary's, 1 & 2 in the WCC for the foreseeable
future. BYU, a very big school, should be on top of the WCC, and that is what is
so disappointing to most disaffected fans. It has very little to do the talent
on the team. It seems to have everything to do with the coaching, game planning
and development of the players. Losing players is a sad part of the landscape.
It happens, but good coaching staffs know how to adjust, minimize the effects,
and minimize the occurrences. And that's not what is happening at BYU right
now."I agree with many things you say, but not all. The Rose
and Dastrup issues are separate. Dastrup has not shown he belongs and you
can't hang that on Rose. I do agree that the Rose era has become stale.
20 win seasons with 3rd place finishes in the WCC and NIT appearances no longer
cut it. But change for the sake of change is bad. If and when we identify the
right coach and can land him, then I am all for the change.
@65TossPowerTrap - Salmon, IDJune 1, 2018 9:31 a.m."Oh
that's right - BYU has all these super star returning missionaries coming
back. Give me a break. I guess if you like mediocrity and one-and-done NIT
appearances - you'll want Rose to continue to lead BYU. No need to mention
the BYU transfers who have gone on to successful careers elsewhere."The following frontcourt players were going to see more PT than Dastrup:
Childs, Worthington, Baxter, Harding, Nixon, ...and probably Shaw and Andrus as
well. Outside of shooting the 3, he wasn't cutting it. He wasn't
seeing PT in front of Childs, Nixon and Worthington last year. What makes you
think that was going to change? And yes, Baxter and Harding were rated higher
than Dastrup out of HS. I have a lot of hope for BYU this year. I
never saw Dastrup as anything other than a bit role player.Now, tell
me which BYU transfer has gone on to anything other than a one year starter at
another school and proved better than any of BYU's starters at the time?Please.
Gonzaga, St. Mary's, 1 & 2 in the WCC for the foreseeable future. BYU,
a very big school, should be on top of the WCC, and that is what is so
disappointing to most disaffected fans. It has very little to do the talent on
the team. It seems to have everything to do with the coaching, game planning and
development of the players. Losing players is a sad part of the landscape. It
happens, but good coaching staffs know how to adjust, minimize the effects, and
minimize the occurrences. And that's not what is happening at BYU right
I enjoyed watching Payton cheering on his teammates. But in he games he had
serious issues. He could not defend. He sometimes was out of position. He could
shoot, but a 6-10 guy needs to be on the boards; he seemed slow and out of
shape.As for Rose, his record is pretty good considering BYU
can't attract one and done talent. BYU is more like the Ivy's in that
category. Princeton has found a formula, but Rose's record is better.
Personally, I'm ok with that. I really question whether Duke, for example,
is doing their one and done players any favors. College is for education first,
athletics second. For many schools, the reverse is true.I'm
impressed with BYU in many categories; how many religious schools can match BYUs
overall athletic and academic record? I can think of one: Notre Dame. But do
they field as many teams in all sports at BYU does? Face it, BYU is competitive
in all sports. Heck, they have a dozen or so athletes in the Track and Field
Championships. Pretty good for a church school in Utah. Keep up the standards,
BYU. You may never win another football and basketball NC, but your focus is in
the right place.
Dastrup a future PAC-12 and NBA??? I wouldn't want you recruiting for
me... Of course we all wish the young man success at his next stop... It will
have to be at a smaller program... in no way is he a capable D-1 player...
credit to him for making this decision... he needs to be careful about his next
choice if he expects to play... enjoy the rest of his eligibility then get on
Oh that's right - BYU has all these super star returning missionaries
coming back. Give me a break. I guess if you like mediocrity and one-and-done
NIT appearances - you'll want Rose to continue to lead BYU. No need to
mention the BYU transfers who have gone on to successful careers elsewhere.
If Tom Holme is wise, he will have pretty high expectations for this year's
basketball team. If they have a mediocre season or flop, he should seriously
begin searching for a new coach who can take the team out of the dull drums
they've been in now for several years running. I know, most of
us respect Coach Rose and we think he's a nice guy and a fairly good coach
but the results he has been producing over the last 3-4 years challenge even the
most patient of fans to hang in there for too long!
I don't understand the naysayers who are constantly yammering for BYU to
get rid of the most successful coach in BYU history.During the Rose
era, BYU has never missed playing in the NCAA or NIT and BYU has always won at
least 20+ games.My only complaint with Rose has been the one or two
mind-numbing losses BYU always seems to suffer against WCC bottom dwellers.That's the biggest reason for BYU not being able to win a WCC
championship. The Cougars are usually competitive head-to-head with Gonzaga and
Saint Mary's.And, let's not forget, Rose has owned that
team on the hill.
@Escondido Kid - Escondido, CAJune 1, 2018 8:03 a.m."Payton Dastrup showed high energy and contagious enthusiasm on and off
the bench. I don’t know why he wasn’t given more playing time
either. His departure is a real morale loss for the team. I hope Lee Cummard can
help with the personnel playing time decisions. We need to stop losing quality
players."The only PT decisions Rose made last year that I
didn't care for was I would have liked a little less TJ Haws. Dastrup was
a liability at the 4 and the 5. Yes he could shoot 3's, but he was slow
footed, out of position, did not switch well, was not good in the post, and
below average rebounder.He was great in HS...then he got fat on a
mission and took forever to get back in shape. Numerous sources reported that
there was no after practice work and, when most bigs are in the weight room
adding the right kind of beef to play the middle in D1 ball, Dastrup was not
there.Why put him in there to shoot 3's? Who are you going to
pull away from the arc to give him space? Haws, Bryant, Emery and the rest of
Jello is good..."Seriously, good shooter, poor rebounder, poor
defense. Wasn’t making the transition from star HS player to star college
player. He was going to be the 3rd option at center and at best the 4th or 5th
option at forward. Good move for both sides."Couldn't agree more.I frankly didn't see the game that
the naysayers are claiming Payton had.Wishing Payton all the best.
Payton Dastrup showed high energy and contagious enthusiasm on and off the
bench. I don’t know why he wasn’t given more playing time either.
His departure is a real morale loss for the team. I hope Lee Cummard can help
with the personnel playing time decisions. We need to stop losing quality
Love it when ever a player transfers from any school fans in the words of Homer
Simpson or was it Bart have a cow about it. Not even a news story. Wish him
the best wherever he decides to play.
Great to see the comments of all the "Monday morning quarterbacks" here.
Quite confident that most of us don't know enough about coaching
basketball to tie Dave Rose's sneakers.🤗
Oh no! Who’s going to wave the towel and put 3 fingers up on a made 3?Seriously, good shooter, poor rebounder, poor defense. Wasn’t
making the transition from star HS player to star college player. He was going
to be the 3rd option at center and at best the 4th or 5th option at forward. Good move for both sides.
Last season was painful to watch how Dastrup was treated. He'd make one
mistake and be pulled out of the game. Rose doesn't know how to coach
forwards and centers, it's been obvious since he's been at BYU.
It's why his offense has always been so guard oriented. He played guard in
college, so he sympathizes more with them. His guards make mistakes, he yells
something at them but leaves them in the game. Forwards or center make one
mistake, he benches them. He even benched Child's a few times last year for
doing something his guards have always done. I really hope Cummard is a good
coach, otherwise it's going to be another year of sloppy, undisciplined
I've said it before. Dave Rose needs to go. He is a nice guy; but, he is
running the program into the ground of mediocrity. Our best players want to opt
out. Our mediocre players want to transfer. I wonder when Tom Holmoe will
finally get a clue on the state of the program--hopefully before we melt down to
1-26. What is the definition of insanity?
All the critics of Rose, and doom and gloom fans need to take a serious second
look at the talent coming in. Serious talent on the verge of stardom. I do not
pretend to know all the answers to perceived problems...... I have to chuckle
when I read stuff like fans know it all.
I have to agree with "Cougarsrock". When Payton was recruited I
remember Coach Rose making a big deal of it and how happy BYU was to have him on
the team. What has happened since then? Does Payton not have the talent that
BYU saw in him when he was recruited or has BYU failed to properly develop and
utilize his talent?I think we will see next season where the BYU
basketball program is headed. They will either show improvement over last year
and finally make the NCAA tournament or they will have another mediocre season
and flounder again in the NIT. As a loooong time BYU fan, I hope we
see the improvement but I have to admit I am very skeptical and starting to
think Coach Rose (nice guy) just isn't building the team the way we fans
want it to go - ugh!
Big loss in my opinion. Led the team in 3 point shooting percentage. Was a
presence in several games. Never given much of chance by Rose. My biggest
criticism is Rose kept on playing his favorites- Haws and Seljaas regardless of
horrible 3 point shooting and defense. This is an ongoing issue with Rose year
after year. Favoritism. Just look at the two lowest 3 point shooters on the
team- Haws and Seljaas. Even Childs's 3 point percentage was better. Not
giving bench players enough PT.
Whoa there BYUsports nut. Please tell me you're joking that someone
averaging 3 points in their sophomore year is heading to the NBA. Having said
that, I wish Payton the best. He seems like a great guy and has a skill set that
could help a lot of teams. Good luck Payton! Wish you the best and Go Cougars!
@skitter"I love the logic of ute fans. When a BYU player
transfers it cause he was chased out, or he is moving to a better
school."And I love the logic of BYU-P fans. First, it's
that players only transfer out of Utah and nobody ever leaves BYU-P. Now that
that's bee proven false, they're on to their second logical leap: That
Utah players leave because the coach is nuts, and BYU-P players leave because
the incoming players are so good that the current players will never get off the
bench. Both are usually false.
Jordan Chatman. Frank Bartley III. There have been others. Now Dastrup. I
wish him well—just wanted the “well” to be in Provo. I hope
he can draw down on that talent. I don’t want to see another
promising Cougar make headlines at another school.
He has some offensive skills but doesn’t play defense (like almost
everyone else on the roster). Regardless of why he’s leaving,
I don’t think his departure is good for the program, just like
Chatman’s hasn’t been.I’m sorry to see him go and
wish him Godspeed on and off the court.
AZute. It's all about you. It's all about you.
Smart kid....He is from my HS, afterall.GO UTES!
Rose has finally learned one lesson, at least. After getting beat by a UVU team
that featured his own former players, at least he is now placing conditions on
the release granted to BYU players who want to transfer. If he could just learn
how to keep players who grew up as lifelong BYU fans in his program.It seems like the last few years have featured more players leaving than ever
Most kids playing college sports these days would rather transfer to a lesser
school in order to become a starter. The days of working extremely hard to earn
a starting spot are over. If Rudy were filmed today he would've left Notre
Dame after the first semester.
This kid could and should have been a superstar at BYU. He will go on to be a
superstar in the PAC 12 and probably be an NBA draft pick. We will miss Peyton.
I am sorry that BYU did not give him the respect and the playing time that we
all felt he should have had.
Sad to see him go. He was a fun guy to watch. However, with BYU's
incoming talent, it would be hard to see Dastrup playing much. He was some what
slow footed, and seemed lost at times last year. I don't know how much
time he spent in the gum, either, but commitment counts in many ways. I do feel
bad for losing him, and wish him well.
That picture makes him look like a crybaby. Kind of like how some schools deal
with calls that don't always go their way... Blame the refs.
I love the logic of ute fans. When a BYU player transfers it cause he was
chased out, or he is moving to a better school. Today the blame game is Rose is
a poor coach. When ute players transfer is cause they weren't good enough
to play in the pac 12. If he is such a poor coach why is his record against the
When the Utes have a couple of players transfer some posters comment that it is
because they don’t want to play for Coach LK. Don’t see any of
those posters commenting here. Realistically, every good program is
going to lose some kids that want to get more time on the court. Likely that is
the reason Dastrup is leaving, just like most of the kids that leave Utah.
Sad to see him go. He came off his mission over-weight and out-of-shape. That
first year was on him. But he put in the effort and was ready for his sophomore
year. But when I saw him not play much and never being part of any rotation, I
feared that he would look for another program. He is kind of a flake, but a
team needs someone like that. And unlike many players who are sitting on the
bench after having all the accolades of being a high school star, he did not
mope but was enthusiastically involved in cheering on his teammates. I never
understood how Coach Rose could not see him as a meaningful contributor to this
team. This years team is overstocked at the forward position, but I think he
should have been one of those that the coaches worked hard to keep. I hope he
has success wherever he goes
Let's be frank. Paytons HUGE potential is very raw right now. I cannot
fault Rose for how much time Dastrop played. If Payton can find a coach to
better help his footwork and location, well, he will become amazing. Good luck
Payton should gave played more. He is a great talent and will be missed. Best
I thought he should have played a lot more minutes. Sorry to see him leave.
Dave Rose: “He is a very talented player and inspirational teammate."
Then why wasn't he not playing enough?Maybe PD saw the pattern and it
was time to go elsewhere. Dave Rose does not rotate players when starters need
to rest. Payton is fun to watch during playing time and his 3's has been
really good. Jordan Chatman is doing well at BC and same for other guys who
transferred. Payton will do well elsewhere and Dave Rose will be kicking
BYU players leaving early to try to go pro or transferring out. Rose poor
coaching is the problem. Oh well.
I could not be more upset about this news! All last season I was
screaming at my TV for Rose to play this kid. What in the world was coach Rose
waiting for? How was he not developing Peyton and playing him every possible
moment?Seriously, look at BYU's roster and tell me who had a
better chance to play in the NBA than Peyton? 6' 10" and can shoot
three pointers. That's exactly what the NBA has become!I'm getting pretty frustrated watching BYU basketball under Dave Rose!
Best of luck to Payton!
Saw this coming 4 months ago .... the Y had not even begun to tap
Peyton’s talent ! I do not blame him one bit for leaving .. should be a
lack luster year again next year for the Y which should finally put Rose out the
door ! 20 win seasons is not good enough to get you to the big dance any more
..... really is time to find a new coach that can get the Y to the next level
Just as he was about to break into the starting lineup. A big mistake!
I don't know Payton personally, but I have always been impressed with his
dedication, his energy and team-first attitude. I am so sorry to see him go, but
I wish the best for him wherever he lands. He is a tremendous talent and first
class person. His loss will be felt.
A team player all the way. I wish this man nothing but the best. I'm
sorry to see him leave. Makes me wonder if Coach Rose tried to persuade him to
stay or to leave. For me, I will miss him in a Cougars uniform.