Dastrup announces he's transferring from BYU

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  • wahului Stockton, CA
    June 5, 2018 9:19 p.m.

    Never did see Payton's "tremendous talent". Eric Mika, also 6'10", played circles around him from the first. The cost of quitting a program you're failing in to try to find a small enough pond to be a big fish in is tantamount to officially surrendering your dreams. This move will not work Dastrup into star player D-1 shape; he has to do that himself, and is attempting to approach the next destination from a down position. If he truly is as talented as he's been cracked up to be, he'd be much better off taking a redshirt year to condition and develop, then return to BYU in a reinvented and retooled version with hoopla he can back up, future hopes intact. Good luck, but I don't give this move much credence.

  • Laxman taylorsville, UT
    June 4, 2018 8:45 p.m.

    This is embarrassing. The overhype Dnews just wrote an article saying how great it was for Rose to already have his roster set. OOOOPS!

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 3, 2018 6:18 p.m.

    azute1

    Your current coach is so afraid of playing BYU in the Marriott Center that he paid $80k out of his own pocket to postpone having to play at BYU for a year.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 1, 2018 11:16 p.m.

    “Thanks for the laugh.”

    Actually, what you should find rewarding is having it pointed out that against our current HC, Coach K, dr has become an afterthought & will continue to lose more than he wins against him, PERIOD.

    Nice try.

    Thanks for the laugh.

    GO UTES!

  • Chamberlain Salt Lake City, UT
    June 1, 2018 10:43 p.m.

    azute1

    Nice try,

    but cluelessly bragging about a puny little 3-game winning streak, within the midst of losing 12 of the last 16, most in dominating fashion, is hysterical.

    Thanks for the laugh.

  • HoboA1 Saratoga Springs, UT
    June 1, 2018 8:17 p.m.

    BYU jumps the shark again!!

  • Gruncle Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    June 1, 2018 8:07 p.m.

    @scores
    Makes me wonder if Coach Rose tried to persuade him to stay or to leave. For me, I will miss him in a Cougars uniform.

    @intrinsicrewards
    Best of luck to Payton. Another net loss to a program which cannot afford it. I hope I am wrong.

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    No doubt about it, this is going to be seen as a painful loss. Seems like Coach Rose did try to persuade him to stay but I think it was too little too late and more likely the collateral damage from Coach Schroyer's constant barrage of insults all last season was too much to overcome. Just recently Rose started talking up Payton as a potential or even probable starter this coming season, very likely in an effort to convince him to stay but I think the damage was done.

    I feel badly for Payton because he was such a good guy and a good, supportive teammate who delivered some really big moments in the little bit of time he played. We likely don't beat Utah this year and see the losing streak become 4 in a row without Payton. We also likely don't beat UMass either without his contribution, those were 2 of our better wins this season.

  • Gruncle Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    June 1, 2018 7:49 p.m.

    @jello
    Oh no! Who’s going to wave the towel and put 3 fingers up on a made 3?

    Seriously, good shooter, poor rebounder, poor defense. Wasn’t making the transition from star HS player to star college player. He was going to be the 3rd option at center and at best the 4th or 5th option at forward.

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    Dude...did Payton take your parking spot at the BYU Testing Center or something and that's why you have such an axe to grind that you'll just make negative stuff up and talk trash about him without any supporting data?

    Go watch or listen to the BYU-SN episode from 5/25 and listen to the part where Dave Rose himself states that players like Payton and Rylen weren't just being considered supporting roles or bit parts but he said they would, "not only be possible starters or potential starters but probable starters in some situations."

    You keep putting forth nothing but biased opinion like it's fact yet you offer no fact to support it. We can't take what you're saying with any credibility. The part I put in quotes was word for word what Rose said about Payton's role next season (if he returned). It crushes what you're saying. From the horses mouth.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    June 1, 2018 7:32 p.m.

    @Gruncle

    What? Almost every comment on here is opinion. I mistakenly thought that's what we were able to express.

    🤗

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    June 1, 2018 7:27 p.m.

    Chatman left because he knew he could be a major contributor against the best teams in college basketball as he has proven in the ACC, and also realized the Y wasn’t willing to work very hard to have him stay.

    I think he took the high road by letting the law school take the heat rather than the basketball staff, which was much more responsible for his departure than the law school (he ended up in the MBA program at BC).

    In short, BC shared Chatman’s belief that he could excel both on the court and in the classroom and opened up avenues for him to do so. BYU opted not to do so.

  • Deanvrtc Vancouver, WA
    June 1, 2018 6:48 p.m.

    Chatmans leaving was all about minutes and not being on the winning side of Coach Rose famous LP3 commitments. Rose bet the proverbial "farm" on those three players, and was willing to sacrifice good players (Chatman) to keep them intact. That didn't work out so well... but that's a coaches decision. I can imagine there was a lot of pressure from the Haws clan, to play TJ. Chatman would have been a better choice.... but I am biased for sure. Chatmans are family friends. Class people in every way. It was terrible how he (and his sister who played on the women's team) were treated.
    I don't know enough about Dastrup to make a knowledgeable comment of why he is leaving, but I sure did appreciate the kids attitude on game night. He was always animated and cheering for his teammates who were playing ahead of him. I respect that in any athlete who has been very successful as a high school talant. No doubt it's about play time...but it could be more, just as it was with Chatman and being on the "losing side" of Coach Rose decisions. Perhaps it will play out for the best for Dastrup. I hope so. He has earned a shot at his dream, and apparently it was not going to come at BYU.

  • intrinsicrewards Salem, VA
    June 1, 2018 6:00 p.m.

    Best of luck to Payton. Another net loss to a program which cannot afford it. I hope I am wrong.

  • Gruncle Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    June 1, 2018 5:25 p.m.

    @mindgames ; @Lonestar

    Remind me again why Jordan Chatman left.
    My recollection was that because the law school wouldn’t let him play basketball he decided to move on, because he wanted to attend a school that would allow him to still play.

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    That's the excuse he gave but it seems curious and a little disingenuous when you consider he went to BC and entered the MBA program and not the Law School. Why didn't he do that and stay at BYU? He could've remained a Cougar, unless the Law school thing wasn't the real issue and it had more to do with his feelings about his role on the team.

    Isn't that called a smokescreen? His Dad has been pretty open about why he left and was not happy with coaches and his role on the team.

  • Gruncle Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    June 1, 2018 5:09 p.m.

    @jello

    "Harding is a forward. Dastrup is too soft to play the 5 so yes, they do compete for minutes."
    Harding is a 2 or a 3 while Payton is a 4 or a 5 depending on the team we're playing. You would never see PD playing a 3 just as you wouldn't see the 6'5" Harding playing the 4. They play very different positions.

    "On defense he was continually out of position."
    Yes it happens with young players, Payton wasn't the only one. With experience they eventually improve. Childs was often out of position defending the PNR, Seljaas as well. Re-watch the 2nd half of the St Mary's game in Provo this past season for multiple examples.

    "Stats show that BYU had a lower point differential when Dastrup was on the court vs. Nixon or Worthington."
    What stats? Please provide evidence.

    "Of all of our bigs, Dastrup had less rebounds per minute played than everyone else."
    False. Per minute he was 2nd on the team in rebounds trailing only Childs and well ahead of Luke or Dalton. This doesn't even require extensive bball knowledge to comprehend.

    "you ar the guy that espouses to run and gun, less defense and structure."
    False. Please provide evidence that I've made those statements.

  • mindgames Aurora, CO
    June 1, 2018 4:52 p.m.

    Remind me again why Jordan Chatman left.
    My recollection was that because the law school wouldn’t let him play basketball he decided to move on, because he wanted to attend a school that would allow him to still play.
    How is that Coach Rose’s bad?
    As far as Payton Dastrup, I don’t know his full story but it does appear that his playing time was the issue. Today’s player wants more than a scholarship, and a ticket to professional basketball needs playing time to get punched, so he will find a program that allows him that option.
    Best of luck to Payton. You are an inspirational teammate and a fan favorite. I will miss you and follow your career.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 1, 2018 4:46 p.m.

    Cont’d—

    Alongside the talented group of freshmen the Utes have forthcoming is 6-foot-3 guard Charles Jones, Jr., who will transfer to Utah after time at the College of Southern Idaho. Jones was named the NCJAA basketball player of the year, averaging 15 points per game and shooting 47 percent from the field and 43 percent of beyond the arc.”

    GO UTES!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 1, 2018 4:45 p.m.

    “The Runnin’ Utes roster received a significant boost on Friday.

    Both Gach, a four-star, 6-foot-7 forward/guard combo from Chandler, Ariz., committed to the Utah basketball program Friday afternoon, choosing the Utes over San Diego State and Texas Tech. Gach is ranked No. 37 at his position in the 2018 class by 247Sports. He explained his decision to commit to Utah on his Twitter account, thanking his family and coaches for helping him throughout the process.

    Gach’s Twitter post referenced himself as “The Missing Piece,” with Utah’s incoming 2018-18 freshmen class that already includes shooting guard Naseem Gaskin (Oakland, Calif.), small forward Timmy Allen (Mesa, Ariz.), power forward Riley Battin (Oak Park, Calif.) and center Lahat Thioune (Melbourne, Fla).

    Gach transferred to Arizona Compass Prep school in Chandler for his senior season, but made the announcement Friday inside his former high school gym in Austin, Minn.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 1, 2018 4:42 p.m.

    “Utah hasn't beat BYU since 2015.”

    byu-p has merely 1 W over us in the last 5 yrs.

    Our Coach K > dr, PERIOD.

    GO UTES!

  • Gruncle Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    June 1, 2018 4:40 p.m.

    @jello
    Seriously, good shooter, poor rebounder, poor defense.

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    Please please please back this up with some relevant data and not just your opinion.

  • Gruncle Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    June 1, 2018 4:35 p.m.

    @skywalker
    Chatman, his numbers are only slightly better than TJ Haws in some areas, worse in others; TJ was MUCH better in Assists, Steals and Blocks
    And let's forget post season:
    BYU lost in double OT 86-83 at #3 seed Stanford in the NIT First Round
    BC was blown out 79-62 at #4 seed Western Kentucky in the NIT First Round

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    Of course Haws' assist totals were better, he primarily played the 1 while Jordan played off the ball. I didn't watch any BC games to see why Jordan's steal numbers were so low. If you look at BC as a team their steal numbers top to bottom were really low (only 2 players avg more than 1 steal a game). Same with blocked shots. It might be a coaching/schematic thing and not a player ability thing.

    Also, SOS figures in. Chatman guards tougher players night in and night out (ACC) where we've seen Haws usually get the easier defensive assignments in games with WCC teams (Hardnett and Bryant draw the tougher players). BC's SOS (7.20) is 4 times that of BYU (1.53) so that's going to factor in in a big way.

    Btw, W Kentucky went to the NIT Final Four and Stanford lost in the 2nd round to OK St (who then lost to WKU in the Quarterfinals).

  • CougarCat Tucson, AZ
    June 1, 2018 4:00 p.m.

    Had Payton been given Luke's minutes, and Luke gotten Payton's, I bet they'd both still be Cougars now - and overall the team would've done at least as well as the 24-11 mark they gave us last season, if not better.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    June 1, 2018 3:50 p.m.

    azute1

    BYU owns the overall series 130-128 and has beaten U 12 of the last 16, with 9 dominating double-digit wins, including last season, and three 20+ point blowouts.

    Utah hasn't beat BYU since 2015.

    You were soundly beaten last season (down by 16 in the final minute) by a BYU team that was dominated by Freshmen and Sophomores.

    Even with loss of Bryant, BYU will be a much better team in 2018-19.

    How much more "owned" do you need to be, to be "owned"?

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 1, 2018 3:40 p.m.

    Definition of getting “owned”:

    ————

    You completely evaded me on my absolutely 100% RELEVANT point——dr’s 2-3 record against our current HC, Coach K.

    Reread my comment again.

    Congratulations to dr on taking advantage of a down time in our overall illustrious history, post-Coach RM/pre-Coach K——YAWN.

    GO UTES!

    p.s. We’ve now landed AZ’s #1 recruit, 4 star BG, in addition to AZ’s #2 recruit, 4 star TA....Our incoming class is straight OUTSTANDING!

  • CougarCat Tucson, AZ
    June 1, 2018 3:39 p.m.

    weighing in on the Dastrup debate....

    PD wasn't going to take Yoeli's minutes. My beef with this past season was why did Worthington play more than PD? Their respective stats are -

    Minutes played --- Luke - 516 Peyton - 252

    Since Luke played double the minutes he should've produced more than double the other figures we can quantify, right? In the following non-scoring statistical categories I see the following from Cougar team stats for 2017-18:

    Player | OR | DR | TR | pf | ast | to| bk | st
    Luke | 36 | 62 | 98 | 78 | 16|20| 7 | 13
    Peyton | 10 | 48 | 58 | 31| 14|20|14 | 10

    Based on the "double formula" I mentioned above I rate Luke better in 2 categories, Peyton better in 5, and in overall rebounding they're just about even.

    We can knock PD's defensive skills. But statistically we'd have to get real down in the dirt to find out how many points opponents scored while either was on the floor to rate that one.

    Luke's a disaster at the free throw line and can't score from beyond 6 - 8 feet. Maybe PD isn't all his recruiting hype said he was. But he's at least as good as Luke overall, yet he only played half as much. Why was that?

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    June 1, 2018 2:52 p.m.

    Well, for Heaven's sake, please get the chocolate chip cookies ready and play ball!

    🤗

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    June 1, 2018 2:44 p.m.

    Gruncle Ralph

    "Chatman has been better than both Haws and Hardnett on several levels and done it in a significantly more difficult conference. "

    Despite your glowing assessment of Chatman, his numbers are only slightly better than TJ Haws in some areas, worse in others; TJ was MUCH better in Assists, Steals and Blocks:

    Player | GP | MIN | PPG | RPG | APG | SPG | BPG | TPG | FG% | FT% | 3P%
    T J Haws | 35 | 33.7 | 11.7 | 2.7 | 4.2 | 1.2 | 0.3 | 1.9 | .410 | .837 | .309
    Chatman | 34 | 36.8 | 12.9 | 2.9 | 1.6 | 0.6 | 0.0 | 0.8 | .415 | .899 | .395

    And let's forget post season:

    BYU lost in double OT 86-83 at #3 seed Stanford in the NIT First Round
    BC was blown out 79-62 at #4 seed Western Kentucky in the NIT First Round

  • Jello is Good ,
    June 1, 2018 2:27 p.m.

    If Chatman would have stayed he would have taken minutes from Bryant. I like Bryant better.

    Harding is a forward. Dastrup is too soft to play the 5 so yes, they do compete for minutes.

    On defense he was continually out of position. Stats show that BYU had a lower point differential when Dastrup was on the court vs. Nixon or Worthington. Of all of our bigs, Dastrup had less rebounds per minute played than everyone else.

    BYU will be no worse with him gone than if he stayed. All he was is depth, period.

    And speaking on wrong at so many levels, you ar the guy that espouses to run and gun, less defense and structure. The more you shoot, the more you score.

    You’ll see. Quit commenting with your heart and use your head and eyes.

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    June 1, 2018 2:24 p.m.

    Gruncle Ralph

    Chatman left because BYU's Law School wouldn't let him study law and play basketball at the same time.

    Boston College said he could do both, although he decided to study Business at BC instead.

    He would have seen just as much playing time at BYU as he saw at BC if he'd stayed at BYU.

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    June 1, 2018 2:17 p.m.

    re: "During the Rose era, BYU has never missed playing in the NCAA or NIT and BYU has always won at least 20+ games"

    BobbyPaluga: "Like WOW, Friend, a good intermurall [sic] team should win 20+ games with BYU's non-conference schedule and the 7 bottom of the Barrel dwellers of the WCC."

    LOL!

    You seem to know nothing at all about BYU's history.

    During the Rose era (since 2005-06):

    BYU has played in 8 NCAA's and 5 NIT's, w/ a Sweet 16, Rnd of 32, and 2 NIT Final Fours
    Utah has played in 3 NCAA's and 3 NIT's, w/ a Sweet 16, Rnd of 32, and 1 NIT Final Four

    BYU has struggled a little with very young teams the last couple of seasons, but has never finished lower than 3rd in the MWC or WCC during the Rose era.

    BYU fans clamoring for "greener pastures" are undervaluing the consistency of Rose's 20+ win seasons, just like they undervalued Mendenhall's 9- and 10-win seasons.

    btw, BYU's RPI in 2018 was #65, not nearly the disaster you suggested, and unlike our friends on the hill, Rose isn't afraid to play in SLC, Ogden, Logan or even Orem during the pre-season.

    And let's not forget, Rose has owned Utah 13-6, including 10 double-digit wins.

  • vasislos Holbrook, AZ
    June 1, 2018 1:53 p.m.

    portlander - Arlington, WA
    BYU, a very big school, should be on top of the WCC,

    Are you talking campus size or student enrollment? Either way, there is no correlation between being a "very big school" and athletic success. This is not high school.

  • Gruncle Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    June 1, 2018 1:45 p.m.

    @jello
    Now, tell me which BYU transfer has gone on to anything other than a one year starter at another school and proved better than any of BYU's starters at the time?

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    ...more on this. Chatman has been better than both Haws and Hardnett on several levels and done it in a significantly more difficult conference.
    Chatman has:

    shot better (2nd in ACC in 3pt%, 5th in 3pt FGM - Chatman was better than Haws/Hardnett combined)

    better offensively overall (9th in ACC in Off Rtg with 122.8, Hardnett was 97.3 and Haws was 106.9 - both not even in the same league)

    better +/- than both Haws and Hardnett combined

    significantly better TOV% (Haws/Hardnett were both double Chatman's %)

    higher scoring avg (Chatman 12.9, Haws 11.7 and Hardnett 6.0)

    Chatman has been a starter in both of his seasons at BC and will be a starter again this coming season (his 3rd and final season there). Chatman did this against a schedule full of nationally ranked programs like Duke, Virginia, Clemson, UNC, Miami as well as NCAA tournament teams like FSU, Syracuse, VaTech, NC St, and traditional powers like Louisville, Notre Dame, etc.

    He's not playing cupcakes in the WCC.

  • Gruncle Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    June 1, 2018 1:25 p.m.

    (-cont)
    @jello
    What makes you think that was going to change? And yes, Baxter and Harding were rated higher than Dastrup out of HS.

    I have a lot of hope for BYU this year. I never saw Dastrup as anything other than a bit role player.

    Now, tell me which BYU transfer has gone on to anything other than a one year starter at another school and proved better than any of BYU's starters at the time?

    -----------------

    As for the comment on what makes you think Payton would change, he's already changed dramatically from his freshman year to his sophomore year, what evidence besides your opinion can you put forth that shows he hasn't? He's lost close to 50 lbs, improved his athleticism and stamina, improved both his Def and Off Rtg, improved his shooting pcts, improved as a shot blocker, improved Win Shares per 40min, Off/Def box +/-, etc etc etc.

    Also, Harding and Baxter were not higher rated recruits. PD was an ESPN top 100 recruit, Baxter and Harding weren't. PD had 19 major conf offers including schools like AZ, Kansas, UVA, UCLA, etc. Harding and Baxter combined don't even come close (it's laughable to even say otherwise).

    Last, Chatman has been better than Haws and Hardnett.

  • Gruncle Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    June 1, 2018 1:06 p.m.

    @jello
    The following frontcourt players were going to see more PT than Dastrup: Childs, Worthington, Baxter, Harding, Nixon, ...and probably Shaw and Andrus as well. Outside of shooting the 3, he wasn't cutting it...
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    Please....just stop. You're wrong on so many levels. For starters, Harding and Dastrup don't even play the same position so the comparison isn't even relevant to PD.

    As for PD's playing time this year, Rose had already gone on record stating he had a large role this coming season, possibly even as a starter. To say he was going to play less than guys like Shaw or Andrus is just ludicrous.

    PD did more than just shoot the 3. However you slice it he was BYU's 2nd best rebounder after Childs (per 40, TRB%, per100). He also was better defensively than you give him credit for. His def box +/- was 2nd to Childs and more than double anyone else. His Def Rtg was also the best on the team last year by several pts and his BLK% was #1 (Childs was #2).

    Yes he was inconsistent on D but so was Childs at times (PNR defense was not good 2 yrs in a row). Most sophomores are inconsistent (Haws, Emery, Jimmer, etc were all inconsistent as sophomores).

    (cont-)

  • BobbyPaluga Austin, TX
    June 1, 2018 12:58 p.m.

    "During the Rose era, BYU has never missed playing in the NCAA or NIT and BYU has always won at least 20+ games"

    Like WOW, Friend, a good intermurall team should win 20+ games with BYU's non-conference schedule and the 7 bottom of the Barrel dwellers of the WCC. You seem to know nothing at all about SOS, RPI, or the many ratings that become part of the reason to be included to the Big Dance. An invitation to the NIT is a certificate indicating you had a mediocre year. A coach is responsible for filling the seats, recruiting, developing players, winning at home and on the road, getting to the Big Dance and keeping his players happy and eligible. No basketball person would give Dave Rose a better grade than a D over the last two seasons. Dave is making too much money for a "D" coach.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    June 1, 2018 12:28 p.m.

    azute1

    Definition of getting “owned”:

    12 of the last 16, with nine dominating double-digit wins, including last season, and three 20+ point blowouts.

    The Utes have only won ONE game in the Marriott Center in the last decade and that by a measly 4 points.

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    June 1, 2018 11:40 a.m.

    @portlander : "Gonzaga, St. Mary's, 1 & 2 in the WCC for the foreseeable future. BYU, a very big school, should be on top of the WCC, and that is what is so disappointing to most disaffected fans. It has very little to do the talent on the team. It seems to have everything to do with the coaching, game planning and development of the players."

    Gonzaga has been an elite program for a long time and Saint Mary's has that Australian pipeline going for them that has produced loads of talent, so it's no shame that BYU has finished behind those two most seasons, but even against those two BYU has had some success, beating the Zags three straight times on their home court and beating the Gaels in the WCC tournament last season.

    Rose has developed some very good players - Jimmer, Davies, Kyle Collinsworth, Keena Young, Cummard, Tyler Haws, Bryant, Childs - but where BYU has fallen short in the WCC is losing one or two games each season to conference bottom dwellers. That's been the biggest difference separating BYU from Gonzaga and Saint Mary's.

    Clean that up, and BYU will be a championship contender.

    Don't be too surprised to see BYU finish ahead of Saint Mary's this season.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 1, 2018 11:29 a.m.

    “Serious talent on the verge of stardom.“

    Isn’t this comparable to what we heard regarding the LP3—-Leading byu-p to the promised land multiple yrs, etc.?

    “And, let's not forget, Rose has owned that team on the hill.”

    Minus our Coach K’s throwaway 1st yr, w/out even a single recruit of his, what is dr’s record against him? 2-3? That’s hardly “owning” us.

    GO UTES!

  • Jello is Good ,
    June 1, 2018 10:48 a.m.

    @portlander - Arlington, WA
    June 1, 2018 10:20 a.m.

    "Gonzaga, St. Mary's, 1 & 2 in the WCC for the foreseeable future. BYU, a very big school, should be on top of the WCC, and that is what is so disappointing to most disaffected fans. It has very little to do the talent on the team. It seems to have everything to do with the coaching, game planning and development of the players. Losing players is a sad part of the landscape. It happens, but good coaching staffs know how to adjust, minimize the effects, and minimize the occurrences. And that's not what is happening at BYU right now."

    I agree with many things you say, but not all. The Rose and Dastrup issues are separate. Dastrup has not shown he belongs and you can't hang that on Rose. I do agree that the Rose era has become stale. 20 win seasons with 3rd place finishes in the WCC and NIT appearances no longer cut it. But change for the sake of change is bad. If and when we identify the right coach and can land him, then I am all for the change.

  • Jello is Good ,
    June 1, 2018 10:41 a.m.

    @65TossPowerTrap - Salmon, ID
    June 1, 2018 9:31 a.m.

    "Oh that's right - BYU has all these super star returning missionaries coming back. Give me a break. I guess if you like mediocrity and one-and-done NIT appearances - you'll want Rose to continue to lead BYU. No need to mention the BYU transfers who have gone on to successful careers elsewhere."

    The following frontcourt players were going to see more PT than Dastrup: Childs, Worthington, Baxter, Harding, Nixon, ...and probably Shaw and Andrus as well. Outside of shooting the 3, he wasn't cutting it. He wasn't seeing PT in front of Childs, Nixon and Worthington last year. What makes you think that was going to change? And yes, Baxter and Harding were rated higher than Dastrup out of HS.

    I have a lot of hope for BYU this year. I never saw Dastrup as anything other than a bit role player.

    Now, tell me which BYU transfer has gone on to anything other than a one year starter at another school and proved better than any of BYU's starters at the time?

    Please.

  • portlander Arlington, WA
    June 1, 2018 10:20 a.m.

    Gonzaga, St. Mary's, 1 & 2 in the WCC for the foreseeable future. BYU, a very big school, should be on top of the WCC, and that is what is so disappointing to most disaffected fans. It has very little to do the talent on the team. It seems to have everything to do with the coaching, game planning and development of the players. Losing players is a sad part of the landscape. It happens, but good coaching staffs know how to adjust, minimize the effects, and minimize the occurrences. And that's not what is happening at BYU right now.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    June 1, 2018 9:48 a.m.

    I enjoyed watching Payton cheering on his teammates. But in he games he had serious issues. He could not defend. He sometimes was out of position. He could shoot, but a 6-10 guy needs to be on the boards; he seemed slow and out of shape.

    As for Rose, his record is pretty good considering BYU can't attract one and done talent. BYU is more like the Ivy's in that category. Princeton has found a formula, but Rose's record is better. Personally, I'm ok with that. I really question whether Duke, for example, is doing their one and done players any favors. College is for education first, athletics second. For many schools, the reverse is true.

    I'm impressed with BYU in many categories; how many religious schools can match BYUs overall athletic and academic record? I can think of one: Notre Dame. But do they field as many teams in all sports at BYU does? Face it, BYU is competitive in all sports. Heck, they have a dozen or so athletes in the Track and Field Championships. Pretty good for a church school in Utah. Keep up the standards, BYU. You may never win another football and basketball NC, but your focus is in the right place.

  • Zyme Logan, UT
    June 1, 2018 9:42 a.m.

    Dastrup a future PAC-12 and NBA??? I wouldn't want you recruiting for me... Of course we all wish the young man success at his next stop... It will have to be at a smaller program... in no way is he a capable D-1 player... credit to him for making this decision... he needs to be careful about his next choice if he expects to play... enjoy the rest of his eligibility then get on with life...

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    June 1, 2018 9:31 a.m.

    Oh that's right - BYU has all these super star returning missionaries coming back. Give me a break. I guess if you like mediocrity and one-and-done NIT appearances - you'll want Rose to continue to lead BYU. No need to mention the BYU transfers who have gone on to successful careers elsewhere.

  • PorLibertad Salt Lake City, UT
    June 1, 2018 9:14 a.m.

    If Tom Holme is wise, he will have pretty high expectations for this year's basketball team. If they have a mediocre season or flop, he should seriously begin searching for a new coach who can take the team out of the dull drums they've been in now for several years running.

    I know, most of us respect Coach Rose and we think he's a nice guy and a fairly good coach but the results he has been producing over the last 3-4 years challenge even the most patient of fans to hang in there for too long!

  • Road Runner Cedar City, UT
    June 1, 2018 9:05 a.m.

    I don't understand the naysayers who are constantly yammering for BYU to get rid of the most successful coach in BYU history.

    During the Rose era, BYU has never missed playing in the NCAA or NIT and BYU has always won at least 20+ games.

    My only complaint with Rose has been the one or two mind-numbing losses BYU always seems to suffer against WCC bottom dwellers.

    That's the biggest reason for BYU not being able to win a WCC championship. The Cougars are usually competitive head-to-head with Gonzaga and Saint Mary's.

    And, let's not forget, Rose has owned that team on the hill.

  • Jello is Good ,
    June 1, 2018 8:43 a.m.

    @Escondido Kid - Escondido, CA
    June 1, 2018 8:03 a.m.

    "Payton Dastrup showed high energy and contagious enthusiasm on and off the bench. I don’t know why he wasn’t given more playing time either. His departure is a real morale loss for the team. I hope Lee Cummard can help with the personnel playing time decisions. We need to stop losing quality players."

    The only PT decisions Rose made last year that I didn't care for was I would have liked a little less TJ Haws. Dastrup was a liability at the 4 and the 5. Yes he could shoot 3's, but he was slow footed, out of position, did not switch well, was not good in the post, and below average rebounder.

    He was great in HS...then he got fat on a mission and took forever to get back in shape. Numerous sources reported that there was no after practice work and, when most bigs are in the weight room adding the right kind of beef to play the middle in D1 ball, Dastrup was not there.

    Why put him in there to shoot 3's? Who are you going to pull away from the arc to give him space? Haws, Bryant, Emery and the rest of the guards?

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    June 1, 2018 8:40 a.m.

    Jello is good...

    "Seriously, good shooter, poor rebounder, poor defense. Wasn’t making the transition from star HS player to star college player. He was going to be the 3rd option at center and at best the 4th or 5th option at forward.

    Good move for both sides."

    Couldn't agree more.

    I frankly didn't see the game that the naysayers are claiming Payton had.

    Wishing Payton all the best.

  • Escondido Kid Escondido, CA
    June 1, 2018 8:03 a.m.

    Payton Dastrup showed high energy and contagious enthusiasm on and off the bench. I don’t know why he wasn’t given more playing time either. His departure is a real morale loss for the team. I hope Lee Cummard can help with the personnel playing time decisions. We need to stop losing quality players.

  • NeilT Ogden, UT
    June 1, 2018 7:47 a.m.

    Love it when ever a player transfers from any school fans in the words of Homer Simpson or was it Bart have a cow about it. Not even a news story. Wish him the best wherever he decides to play.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    June 1, 2018 6:41 a.m.

    Great to see the comments of all the "Monday morning quarterbacks" here. Quite confident that most of us don't know enough about coaching basketball to tie Dave Rose's sneakers.

    🤗

  • Jello is Good ,
    June 1, 2018 4:11 a.m.

    Oh no! Who’s going to wave the towel and put 3 fingers up on a made 3?

    Seriously, good shooter, poor rebounder, poor defense. Wasn’t making the transition from star HS player to star college player. He was going to be the 3rd option at center and at best the 4th or 5th option at forward.

    Good move for both sides.

  • tlilj Yakima, WA
    June 1, 2018 3:49 a.m.

    Last season was painful to watch how Dastrup was treated. He'd make one mistake and be pulled out of the game. Rose doesn't know how to coach forwards and centers, it's been obvious since he's been at BYU. It's why his offense has always been so guard oriented. He played guard in college, so he sympathizes more with them. His guards make mistakes, he yells something at them but leaves them in the game. Forwards or center make one mistake, he benches them. He even benched Child's a few times last year for doing something his guards have always done. I really hope Cummard is a good coach, otherwise it's going to be another year of sloppy, undisciplined basketball.

  • byu_realistic Salt Lake City, UT
    May 31, 2018 11:01 p.m.

    I've said it before. Dave Rose needs to go. He is a nice guy; but, he is running the program into the ground of mediocrity. Our best players want to opt out. Our mediocre players want to transfer. I wonder when Tom Holmoe will finally get a clue on the state of the program--hopefully before we melt down to 1-26. What is the definition of insanity?

  • Rikitikitavi Cardston, Alberta
    May 31, 2018 10:43 p.m.

    All the critics of Rose, and doom and gloom fans need to take a serious second look at the talent coming in. Serious talent on the verge of stardom. I do not pretend to know all the answers to perceived problems...... I have to chuckle when I read stuff like fans know it all.

  • Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT
    May 31, 2018 9:59 p.m.

    I have to agree with "Cougarsrock". When Payton was recruited I remember Coach Rose making a big deal of it and how happy BYU was to have him on the team. What has happened since then? Does Payton not have the talent that BYU saw in him when he was recruited or has BYU failed to properly develop and utilize his talent?

    I think we will see next season where the BYU basketball program is headed. They will either show improvement over last year and finally make the NCAA tournament or they will have another mediocre season and flounder again in the NIT.

    As a loooong time BYU fan, I hope we see the improvement but I have to admit I am very skeptical and starting to think Coach Rose (nice guy) just isn't building the team the way we fans want it to go - ugh!

  • Eastern CO Coug Elizabeth, CO
    May 31, 2018 9:49 p.m.

    Big loss in my opinion. Led the team in 3 point shooting percentage. Was a presence in several games. Never given much of chance by Rose. My biggest criticism is Rose kept on playing his favorites- Haws and Seljaas regardless of horrible 3 point shooting and defense. This is an ongoing issue with Rose year after year. Favoritism. Just look at the two lowest 3 point shooters on the team- Haws and Seljaas. Even Childs's 3 point percentage was better. Not giving bench players enough PT.

  • kaysvillecougar KAYSVILLE, UT
    May 31, 2018 8:54 p.m.

    Whoa there BYUsports nut. Please tell me you're joking that someone averaging 3 points in their sophomore year is heading to the NBA. Having said that, I wish Payton the best. He seems like a great guy and has a skill set that could help a lot of teams. Good luck Payton! Wish you the best and Go Cougars!

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    May 31, 2018 8:38 p.m.

    @skitter

    "I love the logic of ute fans. When a BYU player transfers it cause he was chased out, or he is moving to a better school."

    And I love the logic of BYU-P fans. First, it's that players only transfer out of Utah and nobody ever leaves BYU-P. Now that that's bee proven false, they're on to their second logical leap: That Utah players leave because the coach is nuts, and BYU-P players leave because the incoming players are so good that the current players will never get off the bench. Both are usually false.

  • Mowgli54 Granite Bay, CA
    May 31, 2018 8:38 p.m.

    Jordan Chatman. Frank Bartley III. There have been others. Now Dastrup. I wish him well—just wanted the “well” to be in Provo. I hope he can draw down on that talent.

    I don’t want to see another promising Cougar make headlines at another school.

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    May 31, 2018 8:31 p.m.

    He has some offensive skills but doesn’t play defense (like almost everyone else on the roster).

    Regardless of why he’s leaving, I don’t think his departure is good for the program, just like Chatman’s hasn’t been.

    I’m sorry to see him go and wish him Godspeed on and off the court.

  • kaysvillecougar KAYSVILLE, UT
    May 31, 2018 8:16 p.m.

    AZute. It's all about you. It's all about you.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 31, 2018 7:53 p.m.

    Smart kid....He is from my HS, afterall.

    GO UTES!

  • sls Columbia, MO
    May 31, 2018 7:35 p.m.

    Rose has finally learned one lesson, at least. After getting beat by a UVU team that featured his own former players, at least he is now placing conditions on the release granted to BYU players who want to transfer. If he could just learn how to keep players who grew up as lifelong BYU fans in his program.

    It seems like the last few years have featured more players leaving than ever before.

  • skitter Orem, UT
    May 31, 2018 7:18 p.m.

    Most kids playing college sports these days would rather transfer to a lesser school in order to become a starter. The days of working extremely hard to earn a starting spot are over. If Rudy were filmed today he would've left Notre Dame after the first semester.

  • BYU Sports Nut Heber City, UT
    May 31, 2018 7:15 p.m.

    This kid could and should have been a superstar at BYU. He will go on to be a superstar in the PAC 12 and probably be an NBA draft pick. We will miss Peyton. I am sorry that BYU did not give him the respect and the playing time that we all felt he should have had.

  • water rocket Magna, UT
    May 31, 2018 7:08 p.m.

    Sad to see him go. He was a fun guy to watch. However, with BYU's incoming talent, it would be hard to see Dastrup playing much. He was some what slow footed, and seemed lost at times last year. I don't know how much time he spent in the gum, either, but commitment counts in many ways. I do feel bad for losing him, and wish him well.

  • Romneyiswrongforutah Sandy, UT
    May 31, 2018 6:38 p.m.

    That picture makes him look like a crybaby. Kind of like how some schools deal with calls that don't always go their way... Blame the refs.

  • skitter Orem, UT
    May 31, 2018 6:37 p.m.

    I love the logic of ute fans. When a BYU player transfers it cause he was chased out, or he is moving to a better school. Today the blame game is Rose is a poor coach. When ute players transfer is cause they weren't good enough to play in the pac 12. If he is such a poor coach why is his record against the utes 13-6.?

  • CO Ute Chandler, AZ
    May 31, 2018 6:36 p.m.

    When the Utes have a couple of players transfer some posters comment that it is because they don’t want to play for Coach LK. Don’t see any of those posters commenting here.

    Realistically, every good program is going to lose some kids that want to get more time on the court. Likely that is the reason Dastrup is leaving, just like most of the kids that leave Utah.

  • vasislos Holbrook, AZ
    May 31, 2018 6:34 p.m.

    Sad to see him go. He came off his mission over-weight and out-of-shape. That first year was on him. But he put in the effort and was ready for his sophomore year. But when I saw him not play much and never being part of any rotation, I feared that he would look for another program. He is kind of a flake, but a team needs someone like that. And unlike many players who are sitting on the bench after having all the accolades of being a high school star, he did not mope but was enthusiastically involved in cheering on his teammates. I never understood how Coach Rose could not see him as a meaningful contributor to this team. This years team is overstocked at the forward position, but I think he should have been one of those that the coaches worked hard to keep. I hope he has success wherever he goes

  • nvrslowdown Castle Rock, CO
    May 31, 2018 6:18 p.m.

    Let's be frank. Paytons HUGE potential is very raw right now. I cannot fault Rose for how much time Dastrop played. If Payton can find a coach to better help his footwork and location, well, he will become amazing. Good luck Dastrup!

  • blue & white Boise, ID
    May 31, 2018 6:18 p.m.

    Payton should gave played more. He is a great talent and will be missed. Best wishes PD

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    May 31, 2018 5:54 p.m.

    I thought he should have played a lot more minutes. Sorry to see him leave.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    May 31, 2018 5:49 p.m.

    Dave Rose: “He is a very talented player and inspirational teammate." Then why wasn't he not playing enough?
    Maybe PD saw the pattern and it was time to go elsewhere. Dave Rose does not rotate players when starters need to rest. Payton is fun to watch during playing time and his 3's has been really good. Jordan Chatman is doing well at BC and same for other guys who transferred. Payton will do well elsewhere and Dave Rose will be kicking himself.

  • cjd1 Draper, UT
    May 31, 2018 5:48 p.m.

    BYU players leaving early to try to go pro or transferring out. Rose poor coaching is the problem. Oh well.

  • Hoosier87 American Fork, UT
    May 31, 2018 5:47 p.m.

    I could not be more upset about this news!

    All last season I was screaming at my TV for Rose to play this kid. What in the world was coach Rose waiting for? How was he not developing Peyton and playing him every possible moment?

    Seriously, look at BYU's roster and tell me who had a better chance to play in the NBA than Peyton? 6' 10" and can shoot three pointers. That's exactly what the NBA has become!

    I'm getting pretty frustrated watching BYU basketball under Dave Rose!

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    May 31, 2018 5:47 p.m.

    Best of luck to Payton!

  • cougarsrock Springville, UT
    May 31, 2018 5:47 p.m.

    Saw this coming 4 months ago .... the Y had not even begun to tap Peyton’s talent ! I do not blame him one bit for leaving .. should be a lack luster year again next year for the Y which should finally put Rose out the door ! 20 win seasons is not good enough to get you to the big dance any more ..... really is time to find a new coach that can get the Y to the next level consistently !

  • Brimmer Washington, UT
    May 31, 2018 5:22 p.m.

    Just as he was about to break into the starting lineup. A big mistake!

  • BeaMeUpScty HEBER CITY, UT
    May 31, 2018 5:03 p.m.

    I don't know Payton personally, but I have always been impressed with his dedication, his energy and team-first attitude. I am so sorry to see him go, but I wish the best for him wherever he lands. He is a tremendous talent and first class person. His loss will be felt.

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    May 31, 2018 4:49 p.m.

    A team player all the way. I wish this man nothing but the best. I'm sorry to see him leave. Makes me wonder if Coach Rose tried to persuade him to stay or to leave. For me, I will miss him in a Cougars uniform.