Sports NutWho was baseball’s greatest player? Maybe too hard
to know. Pete Rose Willie Mays Cy Young Ty Cobb the Iron Man and so forth and
so forth. One who wasn’t is the Babe. He certainly was the most important
but not the best. Tough question, maybe never be really known.BTW
Willie was perhaps the best all around player ever. Fielding hitting base
running. When he was on second pitchers catchers changed signal systems
constantly because Willie would figure it out pretty fast and signal the batter.
Utah's October/November Meltdown History2011: 2-3/3-1, LOST at
home to Colorado (3-10) to lose gift-wrapped division title2012:
1-3/2-22013: 1-3/1-32014: 3-0/2-32015: 3-1/2-22016:
3-2/1-22017: 0-4/2-2October: 13-16 (44%)November: 13-15
(46%)Utah has had three winning Octobers, but only one winning
Who am I,I appreciate actually having a discussion rather than the
"my dad can beat up your dad . . . period!" that is annoyingly typical
here.You asked what the normal BYU is. the LaVell period was a
really long time, it wasn't a few years, it was a long time, and that built
the tradition that is now BYU football. Crowton had one amazing year and then a
few ugly years, but Mendenhall had multiple 11 and 10 win seasons and fell out
of favor with fans not due to losses but due to mediocrity that included a bowl
game each year even when we started playing bigger teams (I'll fault fans
for assuming that 10 win seasons playing 6 P5 games is as realistic as it was
playing 2 p5 games).I think it's safe to say that the norm is
BYU bowling at least. Kalani went 9-4 his first year at BYU and then went 4-9,
even his norm, short as it is, would be a 6-6 record if we average it out.Of course with 120+ teams receiving predictions BYU isn't more than
a tiny dot on the radar after a miserable year, they go off computer stats from
last year, that's why I don't buy into it.We'll see
who's right and who's wrong, hope both teams have a great year, I want
Utah to win 11 games.
"Cougs have the potential to win 8 or 9 and go to a decent bowl."These are the possible bowl games for Brigham this year:Armed
Forces BowlBirmingham BowlBahamas BowlBoca Raton BowlCamellia BowlCelebration BowlFamous Idaho Potato BowlFrisco
BowlGasparilla BowlHawaii BowlHeart of Dallas BowlLas
Vegas BowlNew Mexico BowlTexas Bowl
Predicting college football is really just an exercise in somewhat educated
guessing. Too much turn-over from year to year (obviously around 25%) and too
many unknowns such as how well the incoming high school players will adapt to
the college game. Plus changes in coaching. As far as
"swing" games, I think the first three will set the tone for the whole
season. Win them all and it could be a special season, win one or two and be
competitive in the other and it could be at least a turn-around year. Lose
those three and not really be competitive and it will just be an extension from
last year with probably a losing season. So, I think that the Cougs
have the potential to win 8 or 9 and go to a decent bowl. They also might win
only 4 or 5 and be in the doldrums for another off-season.I will go
with my heart and predict 8 wins.
“Either you’re living in denial or you haven’t been paying
attention.”In other words, you have zero by way of refutation
to what I stated....Gotcha.GO UTES!
“The two losses Utah suffered last November were critical losses that kept
the Utes from finally getting their first divisional title!”Untrue....USC had an insurmountable lead by then in The South.You
debunked zero I stated, as usual, regardless of how many exclamation-marks you
use....Nice try, Sunshine.GO UTES!
azute1“We hardly have a “meltdown” in Nov every
yr...”Either you’re living in denial or you
haven’t been paying attention.
AzUte1,Does Utah have a winning conference record in the Month of
November? The two losses Utah suffered last November were critical losses that
kept the Utes from finally getting their first divisional title! If you usually
do well in August and September but flameout and lose important games in
November then that is the definition of meltdown!Try and spin it however
you want! 0-7 in division titles, 0 CCG appearances, 0 CFP games, and still
comparing yourselves to and using BYU as your measuring stick despite your claim
that BYU is in your rearview mirror and irrelevant to all sports now!
@London JoshYou could be right. I could be right. Not mutually
exclusive. If I am right and those 3 games are "swing" games and
you are right BYU 3-0 then to me that means BYU will have a good season.
'"Usually in statistics you throw out an outlier, look at typical
BYU..." What is typical BYU? If you indeed throw out the outlier of the
Edwards era and look at the rest of BYU's entire history, what is
"typical BYU"?"... I think Utah will have a great team, does
it matter?" Yes, it matters to all Utah fans, should matter to all Utahns to
varying degree (publicity for the state), and certainly matters to all PAC-12
members and their fans ie. it matters to Utah fans how strong each of the
conference members are.In the Las Vegas odds makers article I loved that
Utah was listed as a "swing" game for 7 of the 9 conference games they
play this year. Utah was identified as a "swing game for Washington, USC,
Oregon, Washington State, Arizona, Colorado, and UCLA. (Utah not identified as
a "swing game" for Stanford nor Arizona State. However, Stanford was
listed as a "swing game" for Utah!)Anyway, time will answer all of
LOL, apparently those in Rock Springs aren't aware of the historical
lineage between Big Brother and little brother in Utah. They mistakenly believe
it has something to do with stadium size or the mystical year of 1984. But, it
simply comes down to history.In 1850, Brigham Young founded the
University of Utah as the flagship University in the area. Then, twenty five
years later, on a whim, he founded a parochial school in provo and decided to
name it after himself. Therefore, since 1875 Utah has been Big Brother to byu.
@londonUtah should win, what are the odds with so many close games
that Utah keeps winning? November meltdown might happen, I think Utah will have
a great team, does it matter? this game is personal and can go either-way.-----Close games? BYU has led for a total of FOUR minutes
since 2011.More like what's the odds of BYU pulling off a
miracle? Slim!If Utah is as good as advertised, then BYU is in for
a beat down.
gchris - rock springs, wyMay 30, 2018 6:03 p.m.@KimmyPlease tell me again who Big Brother is. It would have to be a school with a
bigger enrollment, a bigger stadium, a bigger fan-base, a Heisman Trophy winner,
a National Championship.----None of which will help you
against UMass and Utah State.Focus on today, you have a great chance
of being 6-6 this season.
gchris: “Please tell me again who Big Brother is. It would have to be a
school with a bigger enrollment, a bigger stadium, a bigger fan-base, a Heisman
Trophy winner, a National Championship.”It’s certainly
not a school that hasn’t beaten a P-5 final ranked team in over 23 years,
gets beat at home by UMass on Homecoming, no undefeated seasons this century,
never ranked in the CFP Poll, and is nationally ranked in the Bottom 10.
If this were a Harmon article, byu would have a100 % chance of going undefeated
this year! And beating Alabama by double digits in the NC, followed by an invite
by the SEC or the Big 10.
Watch Davies Highlight video. He looks thinner and more athletic than when at
BYU. He was a very good college player at BYU. He looks even better now. I think BYU will win at least 7 football games this year.
“November meltdown might happen,”We hardly have a
“meltdown” in Nov every yr, but byu-p unequivocally has their annual
September meltdown, because they don’t ever beat solid P5s.Take last yr as an example....We destroyed both UCLA/CU & then lost to
ranked WAZZU by a single score & lost an absolute heartbreaker by 3 in a
game we s/h won @ ranked UW.We ended up narrowly losing to 2 ranked
opponents we were favored to lose to & dominated 2 opponents we were favored
against....Hardly a “meltdown” by any stretch.Conversely, byu-p’s entire yr last year was one meltdown after
another.In your favorite month, Nov, because you mention it in
virtually every one of your comments, byu-p went an identical 2-2, yet their
opponents were the murderer’s row constituted by the
following—Fresno State/UNLV/UMASS @ home L/Hawai’i.Your
obsession w/our Novembers is ludicrous....This notion has officially become
extinct, period.This coming Nov has us w/4 games we absolutely s/b
favored in, including @ ASU, & byu-p has 2, most likely 3, guaranteed Ls,
w/NMSU their only hope for a W.There you have it—We suffer
ZERO “meltdowns”/byu-p suffers multiple meltdowns, yet again!GO UTES!
Who am I,The question is, was last year a bad anomaly for BYU,
something that can be fixed by coaching and going back to some basics, or a true
indication of the program? If it's either of the first two options, then
BYU 2017 isn't a great baseline.Personally I feel that a
segment of the issues of last year are issues that can be remedied. I blame the
OL for a massive part of it, WRs couldn't get open nor could they hold on
to balls thrown that would have changed so many games, and the QB turnover was
sad to watch. RBs didn't play in 2 consecutive games. All of those things
were oddly bad, all of those things have significant focus this year already.Usually in statistics you throw out an outlier, look at typical BYU, I
think UMass is a fairly solid win, USU will fight but I see that as a win also,
Northern Illinois is at BYU and they won a lot of games last year but few of the
wins are impressive - I'd say 3-0 on those teams.Utah should
win, what are the odds with so many close games that Utah keeps winning?
November meltdown might happen, I think Utah will have a great team, does it
matter? this game is personal and can go either-way.
Willie Mays is still talked about as one of the best, if not the best baseball
player of all-time. While Young was a great QB there isn't a sports fan
who actually would vote Young over Mays. Instead of voting for a byu alum, vote
for the best player next time. Pretty sad and yet predictable at the same time.
@KimmyPlease tell me again who Big Brother is. It would have to be a
school with a bigger enrollment, a bigger stadium, a bigger fan-base, a Heisman
Trophy winner, a National Championship. It might be a P5 school, but it probably
isn't your school.
@London JoshHere's what I see. The same as you for the first 5
games. (Cal game is a candidate for one of the three "swing" games.)I don't see how BYU doesn't defeat Hawaii and I would favor them
over New Mexico State. I do not believe they will defeat Boise State in
Boise nor Utah at RES(!) - 7 in a row and I believe Utah will have one of their
best teams ever. That's 3-6. That leaves 3 games, that to me means
Utah State, No. Illinois, and UMass are the 3 swing games. Utah State defeated
BYU last year in Logan - this year it's at LES ( I give BYU a slight edge.)
UMass defeated BYU last year at LES (!) and this year it's an away game.
(They must be as bad as in the past as I saw a prediction they would win 4-5
games.) To me - a tossup. Finally, No. Illinois. They ended last year ranked
58th. They had a major loss when a linebacker transferred; however, I believe
they have a lot of the team returning. Games at LES but I give them a slight
edge. Summary: baring the annual upset you say BYU enjoys I think these three
games should be great fun for cougar fans to watch. The outcome of which will
determine bowl eligible or not.PS - I've placed $0!
@London_josh"despite the results no true BYU fans thinks
that's a loss."And right there is the problem with you guys
- you think with your hearts, not your brains. Best-case scenario for BYU-P in
that game is that it's still an interesting game in the 4th quarter.
Remember watching Mays and Mantle as a little boy. Byu will win 4 games but who
really cares anymore?
london josh-I could about agree with your prediction, but the Cougs always choke
one they should win. They will drop one to either Northern Illinois or
Massachusetts, and they are going to take a tough loss to the Ags. So basically
the Cougs will be 5-7.
Who am I,What 3 games do you think are the swing games?Should be pretty basic, you look at the first 5 games and aside from an upset
it's basically 1-4 - not many games can go either way.BTW -
it's nice talking about football. I think Utah will have a good year in
the PacS, I think they'll get 2nd place behind USC, however I worry about
the durability of Huntley based on his playing style and the readiness of TTs
plan without a dual threat who can win with his feet - if Huntley goes down
early it could be a long season, however several PacS teams are rebuilding so I
see Utah doing pretty well this year.
who am I,Who is BYU? Really we don't know.it's hard to imagine that BYU will lose as many as last year, most
national numbers don't take into account that if BYU had all of last
year's elements in place it probably would have been a 6-6 team rather than
a 4-8 team because luck was ugly, so the ESPN FPI isn't adjusted until BYU
does something to adjust it, here are my guesses:Arizona
33% chance of winning 0-1Cal 45% chance of winning 0-2Wisconsin
5% chance of winning 0-3McWhomever 99% chance of winning 1-3Washington 15% chance of winning 1-4Utah State 65% chance of winning
2-4Hawaii 90% chance of winning 3-4northern Illinois 70% chance of
winning 4-4Boise 30% chance of winning 4-5UMass 60% chance of
winning 5-5New Mexico State 85% chance of winning 6-5Utah 35%
chance of wining -upset win 7-5My final prediction needs an upset,
i pick Utah because it's a historical close game and Utah historically
isn't as good in November, and despite the results no true BYU fans thinks
that's a loss. Overall I think BYU has an upset they pull this year.
Zona, Cal, Boise and Utah could be the upset.Predictions are bleak,
so they should be better than expected.
They got it right in Vegas. byu will go 5-7, but cougar fans count the annual
loss to Big Brother as a moral victory, so it gives them the half game win.
Recently there was an article giving the expected win total for each of the
PAC-12 teams by the Vegas oddsmakers. What I liked best was for each team they
identified 3 opponents that were "swing" games. (Games that could go
either way that could/would have great impact on the season for each team. For
Utah it was the Stanford, USC, and Oregon games) It made me give a more
critical look at the upcoming season and create greater interest for these
particular games. (SBnation said the odds of Utah winning those games were 37%,
45%, and 51% respectively.) As cougar fans you might try this same approach.
What three games, in your analysis, would effect your season record depending on
their outcome? (I know which ones I would select and I will see how they play
BYU should win about the same number of games as last season. The defense
will be okay, but the offense has not improved. They don't have a
great quarterback, no go-to running back, and no clutch wide receiver.
You can't win without those three in place. I wish the outlook
was brighter, but...
6-9 games are possible, I'd say 7 wins if we are improved, 6 if we're
only a bit improved.I don't see BYU wining 5 or less. At the
same time 8 wins would be a thrilling season, no matter how much the team has
improved I can't see more than 9.So color me blue and paint a 7
on my prediction - and bring on September!
byu will win all the games they win in 2018
Love the sophistication of the coog fan who commented on the 5.5 game over/under
in the linked story: "who ever picked winning half a game has half a
brain."You can't make this stuff up!
The "say hey" kid will always be my favorite sports figure.
byu-p will win 4-5 games this yr, max, bank on it, period.GO UTES!
BYU will win 6-8 games in 2018.