Ok, serious foul: this is at least the third comment I've posted and yet
denied, despite all of them being 100% civil.For over 50 years a
certain political group, which shall remain nameless, has pushed and pushed and
pushed to A) remove God from every aspect of our culture and B) to minimize and
destroy the influence of the traditional family.And now today, in
2018, that nameless political group has largely achieved their goals. And yet
when things like this Texas shooting occur, that same political group and their
followers raises their hands and voices and shout "How can things like this
happen!?"Really? What did you expect to happen when you remove
all boundaries of morality?I will even go so far as to say that
people like Pres. Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, Debbie Wasserman Schults
and even Harry Reid have blood on their hands. Did they pull the trigger in
this Texas shooting? Literally speaking, no. But they sure are guilty of
helping to set up conditions that destroyed much of the moral fabric in America
today.Will this get posted now?
@cjb - Bountiful, UTI totally agree with you. I will bet that the
main and in some instances only reason there have been so many shootings is
BULLYING. I think that if caught bullying there should be stiff penalties. We go
after stalkers who harass, Child molesters who go after children. Why isn't
there a law about this???
"For heavens sake, NO ONE is suggesting taking away guns from lawful,
responsible gun owners."NO ONE -- except the voters in Oregon
who signed a petition to put an initiative on the ballot this fall to ban and
confiscate all "assault weapons" in the state.NO ONE --
except the City Council of Boulder, Colorado, which just this past week passed
an ordinance banning the possession of "assault weapons" in the city and
ordering their confiscation or destruction.NO ONE -- except Senator
Dianne Feinstein, the sponsor of the original "assault weapons" ban, who
admitted after it was passed in 1994 that she originally wanted to confiscate
every "assault weapon" in the country but she couldn't get enough
votes in the Senate to do it.So stop telling us that NO ONE wants to
take guns away from responsible, law-abiding citizens, when millions of
Americans obviously DO want to take guns away from responsible, law-abiding
citizens.We can't have a real debate about guns if one side is
not being honest about their true intentions. Stop pretending that gun
confiscation is not a goal of the gun control movement, when it so obviously is.
toosmartforyou - Kaysville, UT"...what is wrong with expecting
those who own and bear arms to keep them secure?"Nothing at all.
I agree with that part of your comment. Properly securing firearms can prevent a
number of different tragedies. But each time this happens when the
perpetrator uses a firearm, people on the left see it as an opportunity to
advance a political agenda. This guy also brought pressure cooker and pipe
bombs; nobody is calling for stricter regulation of pipes and pressure cookers.
Focusing on the weapon rather that perpetrator keeps us from having
a meaningful dialogue about the real problem - these violent teenage boys.
Several weeks back here in Utah a 15 year boy dragged a woman off a trail in the
Dimple Dell gully last month, telling her she was going to die while brutally
attacking and raping her. Last year two boys in Smithfield lured a 14 year old
girl into a canal and shot her in the head because they were "annoyed she
was texting them." Also last year, a 16 -year old Orem boy randomly attacked
5 of his classmates with a knife in the locker room. Let's
talk about what's gone wrong with our teenage boys.
I posted this each time after the last 5 school shootings...and I am sure I will
post it again next week: ..Move along folks...there's nothing to see
here. It's a moment and it will pass... the hunting of our children will
continue. I am sorry folks...but when my Republican legislators have the
choice of doing something..anything..to possibly stop the killing of our
children..vs... pleasing the NRA...well...it's been obvious for years...no
contest here folks...the NRA always wins! Our Republican legislators do NOT
want to get the NRA upset or put in jeopardy the thirty pieces of silver they
get from them. Just a fact of life folks. This "moment" will be gone
shortly but the NRA lives on forever. Move along folks...there's nothing
to see here. ... I just wonder "who's got next"?
...it will happen somewhere in the next week or two....do you think it will be
Utah? Who's got next? Guess we will find out shortly huh?
Guns have been around for over a century. It's the kids. The ones being
picked on, and the ones doing the picking. Changing gun laws
won't change the kids.
Silvex...what is wrong with expecting those who own and bear arms to keep them
secure? Why can't we talk about that? The shooter in Texas allegedly
obtained the weapons from a relative---his father---who must have allowed access
to his weapons by one that was not old enough to buy one and that had an agenda
of death and mayhem in mind when he got them. What's wrong with talking
about how to prevent such occurrences? The best example I can think of is a few
years back when some criminals had escaped and the police warned everyone to
lock their vehicles that night. A few days later when they were apprehended
miles away it was discovered that they had found a pick up truck parked in a
driveway, full of gas, with the keys in it smack in the middle of the area that
had been warned by the police. The approach gun advocates would use is to say
"The truck, gas and keys were just a coincidence and the criminals committed
the crime." True, but they were certainly aided by the fact the owner was
less than responsible, weren't they? It applies to guns, too...it really
does. How many innocent school shooting victims will it take to examine the
Save children's lives: give them an armed guard.
I wish the students would inform themselves. The Texas shooter had a shotgun
and pistol. Want to outlaw them as well? They have no solution other than make
it illegal to own a gun. Do these students believe criminals will obey ANY law?
It just really hurts? I imagine it does. Being bullied is no walk in the park
either.How about students everywhere stop the bullying, and stop
asking for my gun to be banned when one of the people you bullied lashes out
against you .
When kids come home to empty houses....when they put parents off with casual
"school was Ok". Parents need to find out what is going on in the lives
of their children.It started when they where in grade school, but each
night after our children were in bed, each in turn were asked this simple
question, "What was you happy time today?" This often lead to the
revelation that something besides happiness was happening to them. Having
the child reveal some of those difficulties allowed us as parents to deal with
them and in turn help the child to deal with them as well. Some children
strike out at others and some turn on themselves, but I would venture to say
that some deep probing into their day in and day out activities might be a help.
toosmartforyou - Kaysville, UTMay 19, 2018 2:58 p.m."For
heavens sake, NO ONE is suggesting taking away guns from lawful, responsible gun
owners."Because you put "NO ONE" in all caps, I'm
led to believe you meant it literally, which is quite wrong. You only have to
look to the first comment on this story to find someone. There are a ton of
people who want to ban all guns. It's the ultimate objective much of the
left. You only have to look to cities that are run by hardcore liberals to see
what they would do if they could. Like with any goal of the left, they use
incremental steps toward their ultimate goal. In the midst of the
French and Indian war, Benjamin Franklin wrote: "Those who would
give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve
neither Liberty nor Safety." The right to keep and bear arms is
an essential Liberty. Let’s focus on the root causes of violence not the
Owning a gun is NOT a God-given right; it is a God-allowed privilege and those
who use them unwisely will be held accountable for such by God, since you have
dragged Him into the discussion.For heavens sake, NO ONE is
suggesting taking away guns from lawful, responsible gun owners. That's
always the knee jerk reaction to any discussion; that and "guns don't
kill people, people kill people."What we have now is NOT working
and somehow we need to keep guns away from those who would ABUSE the lethal
power they possess by killing others. They decide to use a gun because of how
effective they are and how quickly then can take out a number of people. Why
can't just that much be recognized and discussed without everyone thinking
they will no longer be able to hunt, target practice or bond with the younger
generations in their family? Why can't we have better methods of securing
these lethal objects by owners and sellers and seeing that they are not so
easily obtained by those who, if not mentally ill, are unstable enough that they
are "going to get even" because they've had a tough time of life?
Why not deal with that? "Going Postal" is still alive and well
@I m lds 2:Hey I’m LDS too - howdy Bro.You called
people like me “NRA Religionists”, ouch what an insult. I’m proud to be an NRA member and I’m proud that the NRA stands up
for responsible gun ownership and defends our 2nd amendment rights and other God
Don't be one that bullies or other wise abuses others. If you see someone
being abused, stand up for them. Make friends with people others mistreat.Young people have it within their power to keep themselves safe.
Exercise that power.
26 people died in Sutherland Texas last November (6 months ago). 10
people died yesterday at a high school in Houston. In Texas there
is a good guy with a gun on every block. I'm not sure why these shootings
keep happening in Texas. Maybe the good guys with guns are out to lunch when
the shootings happen?
Freiheit: "Can you cite a real-life example?"The USA. The
second amendment as protected us against tyranny since it was conceived. In
fact, citizens bearing arms gave us our freedom from tyranny in the first place.
The founders meant for the 2nd amendment to be deterrent against a tyrannical
government. The 1st and 2nd amendments are immunizations against tyranny. People
who get vaccines never see the disease, even though they are protected. The
second amendment is a constant protection. 2nd, 3rd, 4th,
.XXth examples - When the autocratic regimes like Ferdinand Marcos in
the Philippines or Hugo Chavez in Venezuela take over, one of the first things
they do is outlaw and confiscate guns. Freiheit: "Changing the
hearts and minds of society is a great idea, but it will take a long time. How
long have "Thou shalt not kill" and "Do unto others" been a part
of our teachings?"These are no longer widely taught. Back when
they were taught in schools, in entertainment, etc., we did not have this. It
might be too late get back what we once had though. So as society continues this
progressive degeneration, we will need guns more than ever for personal
@I M LDS 2:Notice to you - dream on man!I am very
distressed by the heinous and heartless acts which have resulted in the
unthinkable at some of our schools. I am a responsible gun owner
and law abiding citizen. I know how to use guns, I have a conceal and carry
permit, I have children and grand-children. I for one would be willing to join
with other responsible gun owners to volunteer to be staged at the entrance of
schools to protect our children. Something like that needs to happen until
American can figure out where they have gone wrong on so many fronts!
Guns don't kill people.People kill people.People don't
obey laws.Additional laws don't stop people who don't obey them
in the first place.More people died in 9/11 than in all of the school
shootings combined in all of US history.Yet 9/11 wasn't about guns.
It was about airplanes crashed into buildings.Terrorists attack with Cars,
Buses, bombs, knives, molotov cocktails, it goes on and on. Things that
people USE to kill people.The problem is people. Why do we hate one
another and go to the lengths of killing each other?
@liberal larry:You bloviated: "Australia has instituted gun
control with great success! It's time for America to follow suit!"Oh is it really? Well if you think Australia is such a
great place then I encourage you to move there friend.You should
ponder this simple axiom - guns are as responsible for these terrorist acts the
same way as a spoon is responsible for obesity.
Wow, what a meck-of-a- hess we find ourselves in - in these great United States
of America. I am a responsible gun owner. I enjoy clay pigeon shooting (trap
shooting) with my shotguns and target shooting with my rifles and pistols. My
sons, daughters-in-law, and my grandchildren love to go shooting at our little
property which has a great backstop for the targets we shoot at. I keep my guns
locked up, I keep the ammo separate from the guns. I teach my children and
grand children all about gun safety and personal responsibility. I used to
love to hunt and we respected the game we harvested and didn't harvest more
than we could eat. All of these activities have created bonds and relationships
that are priceless to me. The one-on-one time I spent hunting with my father
were amongst the best times in my life. I learned to appreciate nature, and all
of God's creation and to respect all of it - most of all human life!
Taking gun away from people like me would be like taking a part of my soul.
I'm sure a lot of people can't understand that - but know this - I
join with all responsible citizens in wanting to secure our schools and protect
No one seems to want to face the problem that it isn't guns doing the
shooting, it is people. People who have been bullied, people who have been
shunned, people who are sick. If guns were banned today, the only people with
guns would be the military, the police and the criminals. We didn't have
this problem years ago when more people carried guns than we have today. Why is
that? That is a question the gun haters don't want to face. The liberals
want guns gone. Hitler got rid of guns as have other dictators. We don't
need to get rid of guns, or cars (more people die in car accidents than guns),
or knives, or baseball bats or any other way of killing people that are used
today. We need to realize this problem is not going away until society faces
the fact that they are the cause of many of the problems. Please, get off the
"get rid of guns" grandstand and work on the real problem.
@liberal larry "Australia has instituted gun control with great
success!"Someone didn't read the news from Margaret River
wrong gun on the sign. 12 gauge shot gun this time. Yes the kind your grandpa
hunts ducks and pheasants with. Instead of lying on the sidewalk for the Deseret
News and KSL to take your photo do something that might just make a difference
such as organize a group to meet with your Senator in his Salt Lake office and
talk about how to make schools safe places like airports are now. Parents
deserve to have high schools as fortresses against evil and dark mentally ill
@ FreiheitI agree with a lot of what you said. I would argue that
plane crashes are extremely rare. The number of flight passengers per day and
the amount of overall fatalities makes this industry one of the safest. Some of
that safety has come at a cost with the song and dance going through security.
But overall, flying might be the safest mode of transportation. And
vehicles, while still claiming many lives, are improving safety methods all of
time. Before 1968, seatbelts were not mandatory. Now it's a law to buckle
up. Car seats for children were non existent. They are designing cars with side
passenger airbags, rear view cameras, advanced braking systems, etc. The auto
fatality rate in the U.S. is about half of what it was in the early 1980's.
Guns need to be looked at through the lens of auto safety. While not
all fatalities can be stopped, why not implement measures to reduce numbers of
deaths? All guns sales include background check (close the gun show and personal
sales loophole). All guns registered. All guns insured. If your gun is used in a
killing, you're liable. This will give incentive for parents to lock their
firearms and keep them away from teenage sons.
""I'm tired of waking up and going to school and thinking it's
going to be my last day of school," she said." But, young
lady, do you wake up thinking it might be your last day on earth every time you
get behind the wheel of an automobile? If you don't, you should, because
cars are much more dangerous and lethal. But we don't blame the car, do we?
No, we rightly blame a driver.@MC Squared told the real truth:
"In practically all of these incidents, they had been bullied by other
students or school personnel and law enforcement and school administrators
failed to intervene."Look around you young students. Who in your
school is being bullied, ignored, made fun of, is feeling alone? What are you
doing about that?
If we want to make schools safer, it will have to by establishing realistic
security plans and programs to accomplish that goal. These plans must at
minimum include: (1) armed security in every school, (2) arming teachers and
administrators (is they choose to), (3) restricted access to classroom areas,
(4) fortified classrooms with locking doors, (5) metal detectors, (6) training
and practice drills for students and teachers. Outlawing lawful ownership of
guns is not an option. Not going to happen. The Constitution and the Second
Amendment guarantee lawful ownership of guns - end of story. It is completely
naÏve, unrealistic, and a waste of time to think along these lines.
Number of high school shooting deaths in Utah this school year? Zero. How many
high school deaths in just Herriman high school this year to suicides? Eight.
What should we as parents be worried about?
This ain't rocket science. Homo sapiens kill Homo sapiens. On average
about 3,000 every day in the U.S. by abortion. How many tens of thousands die
in car accidents every year. Bombings, stabbings, shootings, suicides, being
clubbed to death, you name it. While on the subject, how many
innocent animals die every day because because, among other things, we drive
millions of cars, on the millions of miles of nature we have carved up by roads.
Let's build more roads, more stores, more parking lots, say at Point of
the Mountain. We denude billions of acres of land to plant mono crop mostly for
our consumption. Seriously, where does it all end.I'm not all
that impressed by the species Homo sapiens.
LDS 2, And yet all those restrictions proposed in Florida would not have
prevented this shooting. I am all for a solutio. That will ultimately stop
these shootings. Aside from a constitutional ammendment I just haven't
seen one proposed yet that would do it.
These teens have the right to be concerned for their lives. They should really
be protesting teen drivers, though. They are responsible for thousands of deaths
every year, which is far more than school shooters.
If Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters, and their follow Democrats can have gun touting
guards to protect them,--why can't school children have protection?If people at airports can be protected by armed guards and metal
detectors,--why not school students?Instead of funding standardized
tests, why not use the funds for child safety?
Yuge,Keep telling yourself that. And look up the word
hubris.The 2nd Amendment is not sacred. And it certainly is not
perfect. Conservative Justices are adding their voices to the choir of those
calling for reform, repeal, reason and change!The bloodlust,
self-conceit and indifference of the NRA religionists will not prevail over the
desire to promote the general welfare and secure the blessings of LIFE and
LIBERTY to all US citizens - not fear, corruption, death and the oppression of a
small radical group over this free society.Mark it down.
I believe it was Judge Paul Grant who told me once of a mother dealing with a
delinquent son. The woman was crying and asking what could be done.He said, "Shrink him down to 6 months old and start over."That sounds callous, but there are some problems in life that have no
solution.We can do more to make our schools safe, but there are no
guarantees. Government and schools cannot replace good families.Apparently, this boy was devious enough to build pipe bombs and pressure
cooker bombs without being noticed by his family. His dad seemed to trust him
with guns. Maybe the kid even sawed off the barrel of the shotgun.Shall we outlaw black trench coats? Strip-search every child before allowing
him in a school? Make it mandatory for every student to be a friend to every
other student? Eliminate every disappointing moment in school - like cutting
from a team or getting a bad grade or a drug arrest?In a free
society, you can't win 'em all. And you wouldn't want to live in
a locked-down society.
How passionate about violent video game reform are the children? I
understand their passion for gun reform, but are they willing to give up their
violent video games that also play a major role in school shootings? What
about their violent movies?Gun reform is not the solution, just a
piece of the puzzle. Anyone who is serious about ending school violence will be
talking about complete solutions- not just making a short-sighted political
@ TMR - Pasadena, CA - "Save children's lives: ban guns." You mean like in Chicago, Mexico and Oakland? OR like in Utah
where teachers and other school employees with concealed permits have been
lawfully allowed to arm themselves since 1997 with no fatalities, injuries to
co-workers or students as a result of this bold and correct policy?
What grade was Stephen Paddock in?Gun violence, in America, sadly,
happens at malls, concerts, schools, churches, movie theaters, night clubs, have
I missed one? The gun control argument flares up for a couple of weeks and in
the end all we really accomplish is that we apply a huge dose of thoughts and
prayers to the problem.I suggest that Norman Thurston and Stuart
Adams tackle this problem from a Utah legislature point of view. They cited
European countries when, for our safety, they proposed and passed the lowering
of blood alcohol content to .05. Why not follow the lead of European countries
on curtailing gun violence?From a national perspective I suggest
that the 2nd amendment be amended to actually include the word "gun" and
perhaps add the words "thoughts and prayers" to the amendment.
A 90% plus solution is relatively easy to put in place. Permanent, significant
police presence at high schools, lots of video cameras, metal detectors, and
tightly controlled access to buildings. Just like airports, post-9/11. I know
lots of parents and other adults willing to pay more in taxes to do this now.
Trouble is, most school boards are controlled by liberals who want gun control
as the solution. Parents need to make their local school board feel the heat.
Like it or don’t like it, either way, the 2nd Amendment is not
getting repealed anytime soon.
@I M LDS 2 - Provo, UTDid Nate Silver poll the party affiliation of the
street gang members, or just the NRA members?Nate's problem, as
revealed in the Trump victory, is that he is blind to half of America. He
doesn't see us. He doesn't understand us.
@say no to BO. You use more violence as a justification to your
analysis? What is your solution? I see a lot of ranting, but not a lot of ideas.
Or do you just not see a problem with any of this? Is that because it has never
personally affected you? How is the status quo working?
Nate Silver observed:"Whether someone owns a gun is a more
powerful predictor of a person’s political party than her gender, whether
she identifies as gay or lesbian, whether she is Hispanic, whether she lives in
the South, or a number of other demographic characteristics.”More than 70 percent of Trump voters described guns as “very
important” to their vote. Guns may now rank as the single most important
political dividing line in 21st century America.Yet, only 30 percent
of Americans own guns!That minority has blocked substantial federal
action on guns. But that one-third minority (a non-urban minority) may no longer
suffice to shape American culture!Change is coming. Brace
Maybe students (and gun control advocates) should realize that most (if not
each) of the school shootings were at the hand of other young men. So the outcry
shouldn't be about the guns they used but how they got access to them - but
moreover, the cause behind their criminal behavior. In practically
all of these incidents, they had been bullied by other students or school
personnel and law enforcement and school administrators failed to intervene.
Also, security at the schools was greatly inadequate - "resource
officers" instead of reference to them for what should be their true role -
Notice to Gun Fanatics,In Florida, Gov. Rick Scott (R) announced
that he supports raising the minimum age to buy a rifle to 21. In your face,
NRA!Sen Marco Rubio (R-FL) is willing to reverse his opposition to
banning high-capacity magazines.Rep. Brian Mast (R-FL), a
“longtime member” of the NRA, voiced his support for expanded gun
regulations.President Donald Trump is open to strengthening
background checks, banning bump stocks, and raising the minimum age to purchase
an assault weapon.Conservative former chief justice, Warren Burger,
publicly stated:“If I were writing the Bill of Rights now,
there wouldn’t be any such thing as the Second Amendment.” Burger
went on to say that the 2nd Amendment had been the subject of “one of the
greatest pieces of fraud - I repeat the word ‘fraud’ - on the
American public by special-interest groups that I have ever seen in my
lifetime.”Time's Up! Let sanity prevail!
Bloodhound: " An armed populace provides a defense against totalitarian
genocides." Can you cite a real-life example? Rambos roaming the woods
with their weapons are no match for the organized and well-armed forces of the
modern state. Let's put that one to restUnfortunately, most
of the proposed "control" measures are no solution either. The lastest
shooter used his father's guns. How would age limits, background checks,
waiting periods and such have helped. Nothing short of total confiscation would
do anything, and we know that isn't going to happen. And while we can turn
our schools into maximum security bastions, that still leaves theaters, shopping
malls and other gathering places.Changing the hearts and minds of
society is a great idea, but it will take a long time. How long have "Thou
shalt not kill" and "Do unto others" been a part of our
teachings?While we struggle for answers that may not exist, we may
have to realize that such events, aborrent as they are, constitute a part of
modern life, and like airplane crashes, car wrecks and natural disasters, are
beyond the reach of government or even the most heart-felt and well-meaning
Reality check:Nine high school aged kids and one adult.That's
the average body count of street shootings in Chicago every week, all summer
long.Sometimes the victims are 4-years-old.Lots of laws.
Lots of illegal guns, not registered to anyone.Lots of cops and
cameras.Take your protests there.As for mental health
professionals. Tear up your DSM and start over. You are making society worse.
All this justification that guns aren't any part of the problem whatever is
just baloney!!1) Guns are designed to KILL.2) Guns are very
efficient at what they are designed to do.3) Guns are the CHOICE of
killers because:a- They are very efficientb- They are easier to use
than anything else (i.e, poison gas)c- They are easily obtainabled-
People will defend to the death (pun intended) that everyone has a
"right" to own a gune- No one will ever restrict anyone from
owning one, even the mentally illf- They can kill MORE people QUICKER than
any other methodOf course they aren't part of the problem, are
they? They aren't even a tiny part of the equation as to why so many mass
killings have taking place and no one can stop or prevent them, right? Guns
literally are absolutely the best thing since sliced bread for everyone!
@Boyd in Provo"I believe the answer might be with each school across
our nation making repeated attempts ..."You really think asking
schools to take on yet another role will solve this? Society has already asked
schools to fill too many voids left by the collapse and failures of families,
faith, and what used to be called societal norms and decency. Schools have a hard enough time teaching math and English literacy. I
don' think the answer to this is with any secular institution.
The problem is a morally bankrupt society. According to the politically correct
rules we have today, the "gunman" needs to be referred to as the
In London, and elsewhere in the U.K., knives are killing people in record
numbers. Let's ban knives too. Start with those kitchen knives blokes.
Enough is enough.
Instead of taking another opportunity to skip school and maybe get their
pictures in the paper and be part of the "cool kids banning guns" these
youngsters should be asking more substantive questions:Was this
killer (like many of the others) currently or previously taking psychotropic
medications?Did this killer play violent video games?Did
this killer have traditional (but sadly now "uncool") religious and
moral beliefs instilled by his family or church?Did this killer come
from a functional traditional family environment?"Evil semi
automatic assault weapons" for at least a hundred, but we saw none of this
mass killing until the 1990s. The problem is not the guns, but the people
who think that harming or killing other people is in any way acceptable. The
things in society today (which were largely not present before these killings
became commonplace) are what need to be changed.Those eager to
curtail Second Amendment rights should have no problems with censorship of
violent "entertainment" of all types, and being less respectful of
individual rights when it may save lives by locking up potentially homicidal
individuals with less due process.
The issue is not guns, the issue is how we devalue human life. Just look at the
garbage on TV. TNT network has several shows where the heroes are criminals
that rob and murder people. We have video games where the entire purpose is to
kill as many people as possible. This is the society that we have created. As
long as this is acceptable, there will be crazies killing people in real life.
The sad truth is that these students are being killed by their peers.
Shouldn't they be protesting the root cause of these killings instead of
the weapon used?
"It just really hurts"Take a trip up to the VA Hospital and
see hurt. Maybe one of those old Vets. will wipe your nose for you.
Oliver North, the perpetrator of the Iran-Contra scandal and now President of
the NRA, has called those who call for restrictions on weapons "civil
terrorists". Has the man no shame? Grieving parents and
friends of these children and other slaughter victims called names just because
they don't want anyone else killed senselessly?Utah children
best beware. In our current government, the full power of the trumplandia and
the NRA will come to bear on them for merely asking that changes to gun laws be
Save children's lives: ban automobiles because that kills way more kids
than guns do.And make drugs and alcohol illegal for children too
because that kills more kids than guns do. Oh wait, drugs and alcohol are
already illegal for kids but they use them anyways.Guns are not the
problem. The school districts have to be willing to put additional security
measures in place to ensure guns don't ever enter the school. However most
teachers find these security measures to be inconvenient for them so it
From what i have read. He used a revolver and a shotgun.no assualt weapons
used. He stole them from his father. What laws would have changed this. And the
fact that he also had pipe bombs and pressure cookers ready seem to say the guns
Australia has instituted gun control with great success!It's
time for America to follow suit!
My shotguns and handgun are locked in a gun safe. The key is in another safe so
my teenager can't get it. I'm willing to register and pay a tax on
these items. Are you?
These shootings in school are the result of a much bigger problem facing our
youth the plague of depression, mental illness, addiction, and suicides are
destroying lives. According to the CDC suicide is the second leading cause of
death between the ages of 10 and 34. Each year, approximately 157,000 youth
between the ages of 10 and 24 are treated in Emergency Departments across the
U.S. for self-inflicted injuries. More laws won't help. Only more
listening, love, support and guidance to those youth in our lives will help
deter these tragedies. There are so many resources in our communities to help
parents, teachers, neighbors, coaches, relatives, etc. to recognize the danger
signs. A good place to start is calling 1-800-273-TALK .
I grew up in a rural area where rifles/shotguns were ubiquitous. But they
weren't a mark of identity, as they seem to be for so many now. They
weren't a statement of masculinity or power. It would have been
embarrassing to look upon one's guns in this way. Because they were tools.
For hunting, yes, but also to kill rabid animals and to put injured/sick
animals out of their misery. And, sure, if someone attempted to invade your
property, they would be useful then, too, but this wasn't why you had
them.This is still the case for a lot of sane gun owners out there.
They're tools, not a fetish; not a statement of one's manhood or a
reflection of one's fearfulness. And it's important to know what
you're doing with them. But today we sell guns like
they're candy and with no such expectation of seriousness. For many
it's almost an act of defiance against "the politically correct
crowd." What a reason to have a gun.And on the other end we have
the conspiracy-minded who have stores of weapons to combat the bogeymen all
around them. Please define "crazies," DN Subscriber.
I have to ask after all these shootings, 'What is wrong with kids nowadays
that they resort to this?'We had a lot more access to guns when
I was in high school in the mid 80s. Many brought them in their cars/trucks to
go pheasant hunting right after school. Guns and ammo were not locked up in a
safe and did not have trigger locks.Constant exposure to violence in
movies and music and video games cannot be good for young minds. And neither
can the general decline of family and values and limits and faith. I think we
are seeing the fruits of what today's society values and tolerates.
Re: TMR - Pasadena... "Save children's lives: ban guns...Right... Also ban the boyfriends of single mothers. Ban cars, knives,
trampolines. Ban drugs. Ban cancer and all the other things that take
children's lives.How special that the kids leave school and
stage a "die in".. Trouble is, it won't accomplish anything,
especially the thing they want to stop which is weirdos and misfits shooting up
schools. Ban the weirdos and misfits instead. See something, say something
.Ban guns, and the misfits will just get a car and run people over.
He was bullied. It's time for the press to stand up and tell the truth. The
articles are on the internet. Guns have been around for decades, the
only thing new is this generation.
I would like to tell all of those students that are now in school that all of us
are hurting with this latest shooting in Texas. When a senseless shooting occurs
it is felt by everyone.Recently we saw steps being done by very
smart school principals and teachers to get the message across to their students
that they are important members of that school. They have come up with a variety
of programs and the students are responding positively to what they are being
taught.I believe the answer might be with each school across our
nation making repeated attempts to reach every student and making each feel that
they have worth. It can be done. I have seen some very innovative programs and
I believe it holds the answer to this incredibly difficult problem plaguing our
nations schools. It should be done immediately!
Children must be taught that its okay for them to fight off the bullies in the
student body, the administration, and law enforcement and politicians who are
denying these angry students the protection of the laws against persecution,
beatings, harassment, with in school punishment by a depraved education system.
These children are not crazy or whacko Mal-adjusted children. They are only
defending themselves in last resort means with what Sam Colt calls an equalizer
among criminal student body and citizens being treated with no respect.Revenge is not good for society but in the schools that is the only thing that
a young mind with no parental or teachers helping all the children and no just a
few. Parents are never informed about child abuse in the schools so they have no
idea thier child is being mocked, beaten, and harasse with impunity to his right
ot a safe haven in the schools.It very likely this media network
will allow my comment to be heard so they can keep allowing children to be
harassed and bullied in the school for the money and brain washing it benefits
schools not to report criminal students.
I'm no psychiatrist, but along with what had been said, this generation has
grown up in their own little "virtual" world. From the time they can
hold a phone or tablet they are playing games and escaping into the world of
fantasy, violence, or anything else they want.Now, at high school
age, their expectations of joining the "real" world are daunting to
some. It's not that they don't want to, it's that they may not
know how. Think of when you were young and had to go to a library
to do research on an assignment. This generation hasn't had to do that.
Everything is instantaneously accessible via the internet, and within seconds.
Having to develop social skills and converse with a real person has been
replaced by "chatting" with someone online. Interactions
and making friends the old fashioned way (again, social skills) has been
replaced by accepting or blocking someone on Facebook. The internet is not
evil. How we have allowed it to run our lives has had, and will continue to
have consequences that are not easily measurable.My heart aches when
this type of senseless violence happens, much like it did on 9-11-01. Many of
these kids weren't even born then...
I don't know why anyone is "rallying" in Utah. Utah has done the
right thing since 1997 to prevent these kinds of slaughters by allowing school
officials to carry concealed weapons if they have a Utah permit. There have
been no fatalities, no co-workers injured and no students injured as a result of
arming school employees. In other words, Utah schools are not
"gun-free" zones where intended victims are left defenseless. Thank you
Utah legislature for doing the right thing. School employees, get your permits,
be ready, be vigilant and get trained.
Lunatics and criminals are not going to be stopped from killing people by
banning guns. People can use cars, vans, baseball bats, rocks, bombs, etc. to
kill people. The biggest killer of human beings in the 20th Century was
totalitarian governments, mostly Communist. Those governments killed over 100
million human beings. Unarmed ones. Banning guns will not create a peaceful
utopia. An armed populace provides a defense against totalitarian genocides.
I own guns and firmly believe in the 2nd amendment. With that said, I still
think stricter laws on private sales, guns shows, background checks is a good
start. Better outreach and therapeutic programs for mental illness would be a
profound step in the right direction as well. But here is a case in Texas where
none of that would have mattered. We've devalued human
relations and therefore empathy and compassion, and ultimately human life. This
degradation has largely been caused by our society's addictions to texting,
social media, and online gaming versus real human contact and cultivating real
human relations. You want to see violence (gun or otherwise) curtailed, start by
putting your phones, laptops, ipads, and gaming systems down and having
meaningful time with your children doing productive activities.
Save children's lives, lock up the crazies and prosecute the criminals.
The guy wasn't using automatic weapons, just a shotgun and pistol. Maybe
an age limit of 21 for gun ownership can help.
Thoughts and prayers, folks. Thoughts and prayers. When the last one happened we
said we couldn't do anything so we didn't. Then this one happened.
There is a next one coming. Are we sure this isn't insane?
I am all for gun control if it stop killings.Truth be known, guns
have saved more lives than its taken.
Save children’s lives: ban guns.