Dear Senator Lee, As a practicing Latter-day Saint, I find it very
troubling that an LDS politician would claim that prophecy has been fulfilled
without official church leadership stating this. Citing Orson Hyde's prayer
and the movement of the US embassy to Jerusalem as a fulfillment of that prayer
oversteps your bounds both as a Latter-day Saint member and as a politician,
Senator Lee. Do you have direct knowledge that this shift is God's will?
Has a current Latter-day Saint prophet shared this with you? Are you now a
mouthpiece for the prophets? Please, please -- stay in your lane. Do
not mix LDS theology with your own political beliefs. History is ripe with the
bigotry of individuals that have used fragments of religious beliefs mixed with
other philosophies to justify their own agenda. You would be wise to stay
completely clear of this -- and you should recognize this and apologize
This is a very troublesome article. In my opinion it should not have been
printed. Senator Lee talks about Jerusalem without ever even mentioning that it
is also home to Palestinians or that it is also sacred to Christians and
Muslims. He refers to Orson Hyde's prayer but fails to mention that Hyde
also notes that the Land of Israel is a covenant land for Abraham's
descendants--which includes Arabs. From Hyde's prayer: "Let that nation
or that people who shall take an active part in behalf of Abraham's
children, and in the raising up of Jerusalem, find favor in Thy sight."
Jerusalem should not be the sole claim of the political state of Israel. It
should be jointly shared by Israelis and Palestinians, Jews, Christians and
Muslims. For Lee and Trump to promote otherwise stands as an impediment to any
peace in the land.
Patriotic, Your first paragraph talks about the bullying tactics to push
through the tax bill. How is this any different then the bullying tactics used
by Obama to push through the ACA so he could claim a win (Hypocrisy).
Second what TREATY did we not honor. I'm sure you aren't talking
about the Iran deal because THST WAS NOT A TREATY!!! A treaty must be ratified
by Congress to be legal. It never was so therefore we have not broken any
The ignorance of Lee should astound me, but it doesn't. He, after all, was
a full supporter of Hatch's tax scam bill passed last Dec by bullying
it's way thru Congress in a reckless & thoughtless manner, w/o even
allowing members a chance to thoroughly read & understand it & it's
potential implications & consequences. (leading to major probs w/ it that
they now need Dem support to fix)--only so they could claim one important
victory before midterm elections.Spouting Trump's ignorant
claim that peace can move forward now that Jerusalem as Israel's capital
has been formally recognized, is not only naive & ignorant, it is laughable.
What this has done has totally shot any chance of US brokering a peace deal
ever! It will never happen--certainly not w/ our help. You'd have to be
crazy to ever trust a country that ignores your own legitimacy, supports your
oppressors inhumane practices, & just proved it doesn't honor treaties
from one president to the next (rather like the many N. American treaties broken
over the centuries).Is he totally clueless that Palestinians were
forcefully evicted & marginalized by Europe & US & that one of their
most holy sites is at the city's center?
Now, Mike, it's time to work towards an Independent State for the
Palestinians; and perhaps we could get Israel to stop stealing Palestinian
land.@NoNames;First off; Israel's bulldozing of
homes and taking those lands is terrorism; their constant massive killing
anytime there is an attack on them is also terrorism. You'd be fighting
back just as hard if your lands were the lands being stolen. Israel has spent
decades terrorizing their neighbors.
Peace in the Middle East also requires acknowledging an independent Palestine.
If one isn't able to subscribe to both parts of this then there's kind
of going to be problems.
An independent Israel is kind of a fundamental piece of the two-state solution
most people want for the area.
I am disappointed that Mr Lee would so cavalierly mix religious fantasy with
geo-political events of potentially great magnitude. Such superstitious
convolution is at the heart of the wars, bloodshed, violence, and destruction
that plagues that area of the globe. And all Mr Trump and Mr Lee can seem to do
is find more ways to aggravate the problem by being completely tone deaf.Sad.
@Daedalus, Stephen: "Such a fundamental concession on the part of the
Palestinians requires a huge political lift. "And that is the
problem. Why do we continue to indulge this position as if it had any
legitimacy? Israel is an independent nation. It has been for some 70 years. Why
do the same people here who demand fact-based decisions in all aspects of life,
continue to indulge such sophomoric flights of fancy from one particular
group?If Palestinians won't accept the simple reality that
Israel is a sovereign state and will continue to exist as a sovereign, Jewish
state with Jerusalem as its capital, there is no way to deal with them
rationally."If politicians simply want to settle this dispute
through combat, and for Israel to win and Palestinians to lose..."Unrestrained, it would take Israel about 3 days to eliminate the entire
Palestinian population. The world would express outrage for 15 minutes, and then
move on business as usual. Nobody would attack Israel. However, unlike the
Palestinians, the Israelis believe genocide is abhorrent.Recognize
Israel's right to exist, stop calling for the genocide of the Jews, stop
the terrorism. Only then negotiations can happen.
@Thomas Jefferson: "First there is nothing strategic about this
land.""Strategic" refers to high ground from which
Israeli residential areas are easily attacked."Its simply where
three different myth believe their deities/unicorns come from."Seems to me two of those groups coexist pretty well. Maybe you should
encourage the 3rd to do likewise."If you are using gorilla
tactics and I agree with you, then you are a freedom fighter. If I dont like you
then you are a terrorist."The objective difference is not
whether I agree with you or dislike you. It is whether your gorilla tactics are
used against legit military targets, or against civilian areas. Legit military
targets = gorilla tactics. Civilian targets = terrorist."You
have even claimed that the 2nd amendment is all about your right to fight the
gubment using these same tactics."Notice that the target is
government/military, not civilians. And you've expressed your horror at
such an idea here. Why do you support it there?Of the 3 irrational
belief systems, do you find one more or less objectionable than the others?Peace requires the end of terrorism.
Mike Lee voiced half of the equation; he forgot or is ignoring the rest: Peace
in the Middle East will not be possible until all parties involved acknowledge
the Palestinians' right to exist as a separate, independent state. The
Palestinians also need to be treated equitably. That, so far, is not really
Lee: "Peace in the Middle East will not be possible until all parties
involved acknowledge Israel’s right to exist as a separate, independent
state."Cynically empty words.Getting "all
parties [to] acknowledge Israel’s right to exist" is less likely now
than it was a week ago.Such a fundamental concession on the part of
the Palestinians requires a huge political lift. Palestinian leaders need a
significant reciprocal concession from Israel to persuade their constituents to
stop armed resistance to Israel's existence.With its superior
weapons and unshakebable alliance with USA, Israel can defend itself
indefinitely in a war of attrition against Palestinian rebels. So what would
prompt Israel to concede anything significant to the Palestinians?Until last week, America had something Israel wanted that it could not get
anywhere else: relocation of our embassy, and the associated symbolic and
practical benefits.America gave that up, having gained nothing to
advance the cause of Middle East peace.If politicians simply want to
settle this dispute through combat, and for Israel to win and Palestinians to
lose, just own it and say it out loud.Just do not speak of peace.
NoNamesAccepted said:"When Palestinians end terrorism and the
starting of wars against Israel, Israel can be rightly condemned for any future
land grabs. But so long as rocket attacks, bomb attacks, knife attacks, tunnels
across rhe border, kidnapping of Israel troops, and other attacks remain the
norm, no sensible person can condemn Israel for defending itself including by
taking control of crucial strategic land."First there is nothing
strategic about this land. Its simply where three different myth believe their
deities/unicorns come from. Now the rest. Perhaps if we gave
the Palestinian people billions in arms every year, paid with our tax monies,
they wouldnt have to resort to terrorism?Pretending that Israel is just
holding onto its illegal land grabs as some sort of buffer makes no sense as
they continue to build 'settlements' on that illegally taken land. Its the classic case. If you are using gorilla tactics and I agree with
you, then you are a freedom fighter. If I dont like you then you are a
terrorist. You have even claimed that the 2nd amendment is all about your right
to fight the gubment using these same tactics.
Mike, you advance a religious argument, not one appropriate for a secular
political leader. Israel is independent (except for relying on US money and
arms). When you address human rights for Palestinians, who are victims in the
establishment of Israel, then you can be recognized as a moral authority.
Israel is here to stay. I am not calling for it's elimination. But
somehow you and our elected leaders need to find a way to address the injustices
done to the Palestinian people. You would react the same way had someone come
in and taken your homeland away from you. And Israel didn't stop with
that. They keep taking away lands from the Palestinians by force. How are they
supposed to react? If they are wrong, then there is no reason not to disregard
the NRA crowd who hold their weapons to defend against an evil power, so
let's take away their guns. Do you get it, Mike? You and many of my
fellow Mormons are using your self-perceived claim to Israel, which the Jews
themselves reject. Who are you to impose your religious beliefs on Israel and
the Palestinians? Further empowering Israeli authoritarianism does not make you
closer to God. Sorry. You are wrong.
When Palestinians end terrorism and the starting of wars against Israel, Israel
can be rightly condemned for any future land grabs. But so long as rocket
attacks, bomb attacks, knife attacks, tunnels across rhe border, kidnapping of
Israel troops, and other attacks remain the norm, no sensible person can condemn
Israel for defending itself including by taking control of crucial strategic
land.Stop the attacks, stop losing land.Good on Trump
for dealing with reality.Not one critic has been able to tell me why
Israel should not be able to choose ita own capital just as every other nation
does. Having chosen Jerusalem (for better or worse), Israel is entitled to have
civilized nations recognize and respect that decision.That is
Trump's action was nothing but a great Thumbing of the Nose to the world
community. This move bought us nothing and cost us any prospect for peace.
It's the equivalent of poking a stick at a wasp nest. I wish
Mike Lee would read up a little bit on the issues at stake in the
Israel-Palestinian conflict. His inability or unwillingness to understand those
issues is inexcusable. It's not going away, and the Trump Administration
has just made it infinitely worse.
Historic inhabitants - Palestine has other "historic inhabitants" as
well that have been ignored at best. Jews have not been the majority of
inhabitants since about 500 AD. Yes, recognizing Israel is proper and correct.
But we / they must also recognize and make whole, the Arabs and Palestinians as
well. The Great Deal Maker missed an amazing opportunity to forward the
peace process in Israel and the Middle East by nor securing the rights of the
non-Jews in Israel. The Palestinians also claim Jerusalem as their historic
capital. That could have been a trade and part of the deal. Rose colored
glasses, Senator - try looking at the bigger picture.
Peace depends on a nation staying within its internationally recognized borders.
Israel is as independent as the International Space Station.Without
American tax payer support, they would struggle to exist, given how they
terrorized the people who were living on that land - doubters should read about
what happened at the King David Hotel - though without American support they
would be more incentivized to get along with others.Israel thumbs
its nose at the rest of the world and international law... because we enable it.
Hear, hear. Thank you, Senator Lee, for your service and support of what is
right.God bless President Donald J. Trump.