glad to see common sense for a change.,
This is an interstate commerce issue. This is the one area where the US
Constitution explicitly gives the Federal Government power. Otherwise the City
of St. George could charge duties on all I-15 shipping going through the city
(not that it would). And of course the City of Oakland (or any other port city)
could deny access to ports for crazy ideological reasons (and apparently it
Honestly I think it is time for people to just pull the plug on California with
everything -- coal+water+electricity. This loony state can rot for all I care
and let their progressive hippie legislature and governor figure out how to save
the state minus fossil fuel. Why should Utah give water from the Colorado and
Green to California or power from Hoover Dam or the other coal fire plants we
have? This is a state which ignores immigration law and is overrun with illegals
giving them freebies at every turn so I say let California figure out how to
take care of them. This is what happens when liberals run a state...every time.
The sane people of California need to get rid of progressive nuts in power
before it's too late. Maybe it is already too late?
NoName: "Industrial users, in contrast, can use coal relatively
cleanly."No, they can't. Not even when using Trump's
"beautiful clean coal."
This is too bad, because it means we'll be wasting $53 million of taxpayer
money subsidizing this.Our legislators are proud to be
'fiscally conservative' when it comes to providing education, but
they're plenty happy to spend other people's money as long as
it's for bulldozing pristine land, filling our air with smog, giving
handouts to their friends in the real estate industry.
Easy solution for Oakland. Set the bar whatever they want for the ports. Concern
about the use of covered railroad cars, require the cars to be covered. Worried
about emissions and air quality, set a standard. Then see how the proponents of
this, especially those who will profit from this holler over- regulation and
nanny state. And the beat goes on!
utahute69: On appeal, the Courts will (okay...should) only consider faulty
application of law, not issues of fact: did the judge, in dismissing the case,
error in his express interpretation and application of the law? If there is
subjectivity in the interpretation of the facts, the higher-court will (is
supposed to) defer to the lower-court. Where the misinterpretation of facts (or
reliance on facts not in evidence) may have lead to a misinterpretation,
misapplication of the law, the higher-court will (is supposed to) remand to the
lower-court retry the case to establish the lacking evidence.The
REAL reason for the law suit was the City of Oakland doesn't want US coal
to be sold to foreign interests. If they can impede the shipping of coal, they
have effectively banned the mining of coal in the US. As you point out,
it's short-sighted. China & India will simply buy & burn dirtier
coal mined elsewhere, with no change in anyone's "carbon
footprint." It's valueless moral grandstanding--virtue-signaling their
concern for the climate...but, their own coal-fired smelter is okay...because
that comes with local jobs in Oakland!
Good News for Carbon county. I doubt that they county will ever vote
I am disappointed that Utah is spending 53million on this port through an
@Tekakaromatagi: "I think that the day of coal is over. The stone age did
not end because they ran out of rocks. It ended because there were better
things."When there are better things, at lower prices, we
won't need politicians passing laws. The stone age did not end because of
legislation. It wasn't legislation that solved the problem of horse
droppings in NYC. There is no law that forces people to fly cross country in 6
hours rather than spending 40 hours driving.Natural gas is better
than coal in many regards, but is also much easier to cleanly use for homes and
even automobiles. Industrial users, in contrast, can use coal relatively
cleanly.Nuclear has real advantages, but suffers from the phobias of
a scientifically ignorant electorate. Even if we used nuclear to effect,
we'd need at least 20% coal or NG power plants to handle rapid changes in
power demand. Nuclear plants don't change output rapidly.Every
other so-called "green" alternative is currently far more costly,
requires far more land, and has significant eco problems of their own that are
usually overlooked (bird/bat deaths with windmills, massive land covered with PE
panels, transmission lines, etc).
I think that the day of coal is over. The stone age did not end because they
ran out of rocks. It ended because there were better things.That
being said, the Sierra Club said,"The city acted in response to
serious concerns about air quality from West Oakland residents, which is an area
that is already struggling with severe air pollution," But the
coal was not going to be burned in Oakland. It was going to be shipped
elsewhere and burned there. In addition, Utah coal is low sulfur. It may be in
the position to displace high sulfur coal and would actually improve air
quality.About 35 years ago, supposedly liberal senator Metzenbaum
passed legislation that increased the use of high sulfur coal in the east and
displaced low sulfur Utah coal. (How liberal was that?)"think
globally, ACT LOCALLY" should be replaced by "THINK GLOBALLY, act
Interesting .... Everybody's attacking the Judge who may or may not just be
interpreting the law lets get to the bulk of the matter. If Utah Politicians
weren't Backing a lawsuit with Tagami and Terminal Logistics against the
city of Oakland this decision wouldn't be an issue. Meanwhile,
the East Bay Express this week reported that a Kentucky-based coal company
donated $750 to Utah State Sen. J. Stuart Adams, who introduced the Utah coal
legislation, a total of $5,950 to 11 Utah senators who voted in favor of the
bill, and has given money to Gov. Herbert. $53 million of taxpayer
money for a coal shipping facility in Oakland, The Utah bill, a key piece of
funding for a massive shipping terminal near the Port of Oakland, passed through
that state’s House and Senate on Thursday and is awaiting a signature from
Gov. Gary Herbert, who is expected to sign the bill into law. Tagami
and Terminal Logistics Solutions have proposed exporting coal as part of the
massive, $250 million bulk commodities terminal The coal would be taken by rail
from Utah to Oakland and shipped overseas to Asia.
I'm shocked, a common sense judgment coming from a California Judge.
Imagine that! A california judge that actually goes by common sense and US law.
That's a first. I say get that coal moving. Also, we need a good coal mine
down in the bear ears area and also a new one in the San Rafael Swell area. ATV
And they wonder why there is a refugee problem.....people leaving California.utahute69 has it right!
U.S. Federal Judge, Vince Chhabria is a REPUBLICAN who was appointed by a
Progressive, Liberal Democrat, President Barrack Obama.
Wow, a judge in California with sound reasoning and calling out politicians who
don't apply the same reasoning to other industries that they want to apply
to coal. How refreshing!
So the record is riddled with inaccuracies, major evidence gaps, erroneous
assumptions and faulty analysis. Typically, the so called progressive political
types, in California, don't do business with a judge that doesn't
fully endorse their ideology. This decision be overturned shortly by a liberal
appeals court judge with the same inaccuracies, evidence gaps, erroneous
assumptions and faulty analysis. Ultimately this will probably hit the Supreme
Court. BTW, the same group ignores the fact that coal will be obtained from
another source and used in another country while American's lose their
jobs to foreign workers.