Pension problems help drive US protests for teacher raises

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  • worf McAllen, TX
    May 2, 2018 10:02 a.m.

    American education is the biggest scam in history.

    We've been investing billions into education for decades and what do we have?

    A country with:

    * a huge national debt
    * a country where many can't care for themselves and their children.
    * a country dependent on slave labor of other nations.
    * a nation dependent on the main stream media, and Hollywood for its source of morality and other information.

  • SME Bountiful, UT
    May 2, 2018 6:38 a.m.

    For many years public service unions were illegal. Even folks who were very pro-union supported that.
    George Meany, the head of the AFL-CIO in 1955, and Franklin Delano Roosevelt, president of the United States, both argued that government employee unions would be wrong.
    Unions began to get a greater share of the profits for workers. Government produces no profits. FDR said a government employee union striking would be striking against the taxpayers.
    Now that we have government employee unions they "negotiate" with politicians who make wild promises they know they will never have to deal with. They are long gone. In this "negotiation" there is no one representing the people who must actually pay for these promised benefits.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    May 1, 2018 6:51 p.m.

    @vermonter. Yes you are right in pointing out the best capitalist economies have outperformed those called Marxist. But capitalism is deteriorating. Marx explains why. Marx was an economist mainly, not a socialist planner.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 1, 2018 3:00 p.m.

    chickenwhisperer said: "Who gets paid 90% of their salary for the rest of their lives after they retire in the private sector? nobody." Teachers don't either. Yes they get a pension but to get to 90% in the state of Utah you would have to work as a teacher for 45 years. Pretty unlikely. Do teachers get a pension? Yes. Was that promised to them when they signed on? Yes. Why should they not get what was promised them in lieu of compensation at a higher level because crooked politicians didn't properly fund pensions?

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    May 1, 2018 2:27 p.m.

    Sorry. I think are talking past each other. Your perception of the all-powerful corporation dwarfs mine.

    Still, I have yet to find a Marxist economy that provides the average citizen with material prosperity anywhere near what capitalist economies do. Can you provide an example of one?

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    May 1, 2018 1:19 p.m.

    @vermomter "capitalism puts responsibility on the individual". Conservatives see a society of equally powered individuals. This is false. Corporate power dwarfs individuals and dictates to them. Corporate power has destroyed the pension system.

  • chickenwhisperer Loveland, CO
    May 1, 2018 12:17 p.m.

    remind me again - Who gets paid 90% of their salary for the rest of their lives after they retire in the private sector? nobody. Good grief. We see this same problem with the postal service to the tune of billions each year in new "debt". The solution is to put people in charge of their own retirement. The rest of us are already there. Once you are in the real world (pay for your own retirement, work 12 months a year) then you can start whining about real wages and benefits and it will be a meaningful apples to apples comparison.

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    May 1, 2018 12:06 p.m.

    Point well taken. Capitalism puts responsibility on the individual. And sometimes people fall through the cracks through no fault of their own. That’s where the community provides a safety net. This is what “capitalist” America already does.

    Marxism provides a retirement fund for all. But at a dramatically lower level than most Americans will ever experience. At least, looking around the world at Marxist states, that’s what we see.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    May 1, 2018 11:31 a.m.

    @Vermonter "Simple fix that the private sector has gone to: 401(k). Yeah, the devil is in the details. But, that’s the fix."
    But it's not a fix. Stream Frontline episode "The Retirement Gamble."

    Here's where we are in capitalism. Capitalism doesn't want to fund health care nor does it want to fund retirement. This is intolerable.

  • majmajor Layton, UT
    May 1, 2018 10:27 a.m.

    For decades, these states' politicians have got themselves into this by overpromising and underfunding retirements/services, and then not forcing the population to pay for the all the services that they WANT. These politicians didn't have the courage to make simple hard decisions when solutions were cheap, but now compounding interest is working against debtor-states.

    It is much like the major parties in the Federal Government. The Democrats only want to tax the "rich," and the Republicans only want to tax the unborn (nonvoters) through the national debt. Either pay for the government you want, or get out of office.

    Now days, politicians are mostly self-serving individuals that want power now, and willing to risk the long-term financial stability of their respective government body.

    Until the voting public selects realistic politicians, they will continue paying for 20-30+ years of poor decisions.

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    May 1, 2018 10:18 a.m.

    Fascinating that teachers in Colorado don’t get Social Security. I’m sure that they are exempt from contributing to Social Security as well. Here is another fix, at least for teachers in Colorado. Although, like the rest of us, they will only get back a small part of what they pay into Social Security.

    At least for Colorado teachers, not paying Social Security taxes means a 6% pay bump over the rest of us.

  • What in Tucket Provo, UT
    May 1, 2018 9:09 a.m.

    That is a good fix Vermonter. Teacher pensions are bankrupting Illinois and California and I don't know how many other states. I think parents should have vouchers other than rural areas and the school should handle its own pensions just like any other business. Teacher's unions have put a lot of states in jeopardy.

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    May 1, 2018 7:13 a.m.

    Simple fix that the private sector has gone to: 401(k). Yeah, the devil is in the details. But, that’s the fix.