A look behind the curtain — why Paul Ryan's departure hurts Utah and the country

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  • worf McAllen, TX
    April 15, 2018 1:25 p.m.

    Does it matter if the new speaker is Democrat or Republican? What has either of these parties done for America other than steal from some and give it to others?

    If either Democrats or Republicans opposed out of controlled deficit spending, they could have done it. But they didn't.

    Democrat or Republican control doesn't matter. They are both the same thing!

    What's the difference between Chuck Shumer and John McCain?

    Bush, Clinton, and Obama did nothing to secure our borders, improve education, or promote prosperity.

    After spending billions on education we have a large portion of Americans on government assistance. We should get a refund.

    Crazy, but many are blaming Trump. Perhaps we should go back to the way it was.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    April 15, 2018 1:09 p.m.

    I don't feel that his departure has actually 'hurt' the nation, nor Utah.

  • patrioticAMERICAN South Jordan, UT
    April 13, 2018 11:36 a.m.

    @2bits: "Tolerance... That's all I'm asking for. Is that too much to ask?"

    Yes it is, actually. Germans "tolerated" Hitler's bullying, racism, & "above the law"-mentality that led his power-hungry coalition to enact crimes against humanity on a scale never before seen in history. Italians tolerated Mussolini's narcissistic braggadocio, & his failed policies brought them to their knees. Napolean claimed to be a savior to the powerless French peasantry, then set himself up as emperor. I could go on--Stalin, Mao, Milosevic, Putin, etc.--they all began w/o the inherited power of royalty--they all had opportunities to have their evil dictatorships held in ck if citizens & gov't leaders had not supported them in their horrible ideas.

    But the saying "All it takes for evil to prevail, is for good men to do nothing" is epitomized no better than in Ryan, someone who ran in 2012 as a man of "virtue" & "good character" & who has shown thru his apathy & lack of backbone during Trump's presidency that he's not fit to lead.

    We live in a democracy--we don't have to "tolerate" anyone who's so clearly unfit to represent our ideals as Trump is. Our duty as citizens is, in fact, the opposite!

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 13, 2018 9:30 a.m.

    @LOU
    RE: "Just imagine if an Obama Supporter said such a thing"...
    ---

    Irony #1
    Obama's Enemy comment was the point

    Irony #2
    I said such a thing when Obama was President (I'm not your enemy), nothing happened.

    I asked for less partisan vitriol when Obama was President. And when Bush was President.

    I know some Americans fought Obama's agenda. But they didn't try to destroy him, get other nations to not support him. Remove him from office early, etc.

    I was never a fan of Obama's policies, but I accepted his election, accepted him as my President, and supported him as President. I didn't try to destroy him, remove him from office early, try to delegitimize his election, not support him, or try to sabotage our President.

    Hillary Clinton called half of the American people her Enemy too... That's partly why she lost I think.

    I would have supported her as President if she won.

    That's kinda what we do as Americans. We accept the election, and the new President. Even if we didn't vote for them.

    Tolerance... That's all I'm asking for. Is that too much to ask?

    Trump may not be like you. We still tolerate him. I think we tolerate all people (even ones we don't like).

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    April 13, 2018 9:06 a.m.

    @2bits "What do you suggest young tax payers, kids who are just about to become tax payers do... just keep funding this program knowing it won't be there when they need it?"

    But there are easy fixes readily available. It's all a matter of will. Social Security can be with us for generations, and it needs to be.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    April 13, 2018 2:23 a.m.

    "He's not your "Enemy". Nor am I."

    Just imagine if an Obama Supporter said such a thing.

  • Utefan60 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 12, 2018 8:24 p.m.

    Ryan, you retire after 20 years on the government dole with a $79,000.00 annual pension and free health care for life. During that time your personal wealth increased by millions.

    You, Mr. Ryan just mentioned that you are sad that your goal to gut Social Securty and Medicare was not realized. Are you kidding? What a sickening comment

    And what a hypocrite!

    Older Americans worked hard for Social Security and Medicare. Medicare is one health care program (government run) that is really working.

    Ryan, you need to go away. Maybe we can get legislation to stop your pension plan and free medical care? Seems you were able to build your nest egg, and then you tried to deny others the same privledge.

    Rumor has it that the Koch brothers are not happy about all those millions of donations that they funneled to you. Well with those billions in tax breaks you and your party gave them, Im sure that few billion will cover their costs.

  • ToLittleOil Stansbury Park, Utah
    April 12, 2018 3:50 p.m.

    McConnell is the one who should go. He is one of the swampiest swamp creatures in DC and is giving the Republicans a real black eye.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 12, 2018 3:35 p.m.

    @junkgeek
    "The smart voter will hope for split control between the House and Senate (I'd prefer a Democratic House and a Republican Senate, but the reverse works as well). Force them to negotiate"...
    ---
    I tend to agree with what you said (and I've said that before).

    Also best if Congress is not same party as President (for real oversight).

    Founding fathers wanted diversity (not one-man, or one-party, control of the government). They made it so you had to work with the minority to get things done. I think this was so Congress had to work harder to pass things, and had to put some "Win" in it for the other side (not just their side).

    Our politicians are too selfish and "Enemy" minded to work the way our founding fathers intended. They wanted compromise, and Statesmanship, not partisan games for the cameras and re-election campaigns.

    The didn't see politics as a life-long career (like today's politicians). They saw it as a temporary public-service (not amassing millions and millions of dollars like the Clinton's and others).

    They wanted it to be hard to pass bills. To force compromise and finding something the other side wants too.

    I also think it's best for there

  • junkgeek Agua Dulce, TX
    April 12, 2018 2:19 p.m.

    The smart voter will hope for split control between the House and Senate (I'd prefer a Democratic House and a Republican Senate, but the reverse works as well). Force them to negotiate.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 12, 2018 1:51 p.m.

    marxist,
    What do you suggest young tax payers, kids who are just about to become tax payers do... just keep funding this program knowing it won't be there when they need it?

    Should we tell them to put more of their money into it (increase their SS taxes) with no guarantee it will be there when they retire?

    What smart young person would vote for that?

    Remember they will be voting soon.

    Do you think struggling kids with no savings want to give ~12% of their pay to older people with big bank accounts?

    The current tax rate for social security is 6.2% for the employer and 6.2% for the employee, or 12.4% total.

    It must go up significantly to guarantee the generation currently entering the workforce and paying that tax will get some benefit from paying it all their working life.

    Do you think they will vote to pay more, with the current projection that it will go bankrupt before they get any benefit from it? How stupid do you think they are?

    He's not anti-Social-Security. He's anti-debt for our youth. But he's alone. I don't blame him for leaving Congress.

    He's actually a good guy, if you knew him, and could get over the partisan rhetoric. He's not your "Enemy". Nor am I.

  • Jayson Meline Chubbuck, ID
    April 12, 2018 1:00 p.m.

    If we look at the members of Congress bowing out, it is only in response to a recognition that our culture, values, and mentality do not support honest evaluation of issues, policy, and laws that are not sustainable; nor generate desired measurable outcomes.

    As a country we value rights without responsibility; the doctrine of victimhood. We like drama, social voyeurism, and judge based on perception as opposed to cold hard facts that are uncomfortable and require a patient evaluation.

    We admire the aura of celebrity and strive for entitlement over intellect, hard work, and the ability to objectively root cause problem solve.

    We have succumbed to tribalism where segmented groups tell everyone what to do; and seek to superimpose their will with a zero sum mentality. We don't value emotional intelligence nor the development of it.

    So how can we expect Congress or those we elect to be any different?

    Those retiring simply recognize they are not representative of the people. The People don't support "discipline, sacrifice, and unified, determined effort" to support our Constitution or government.

    I am sure some will make the emotional choice to be offended of my post.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    April 12, 2018 12:20 p.m.

    To "marxist" how could Ryan finish off something that is already dead. SS is paying out more than it brings in. If it was a business we would have already declared it DOA.

    TO "scrappy do" SS is doing fine destroying itself without Ryan.

    To "Open Minded Mormon" be careful what you say. There could be enough support for the GOP to maintain control. Remember, a lot of us commoners see good in some of Trump's policies and can see the lack of conviction in the Democrats.

  • mcclark Salt Lake City, UT
    April 12, 2018 12:13 p.m.

    Ryan was all about tax cuts for the wealthy and kicking the poor while they are down.
    "Forced charity is death" Um, no, denying the poor food and medical services is death.

  • ToddWorley Salt Lake City, UT
    April 12, 2018 10:59 a.m.

    i agree with you largely that Ryan was probably more part of the solution than part of the problem in DC. However, he failed to stand up to Trump and now like so many others is quitting instead of living in the chaos that the Republicans created by their unusual marriage to Trump. good riddance to all those who have supported Trump in the slightest.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 12, 2018 10:42 a.m.

    It hurts everybody. He was one of the last people in Washington who knows the "Magic Sauce" required to get things done. Identify the things you already know the other side can't possibly accept.. and don't insist on those things. Instead work on things not in that small list.

    He's frustrated enough to give up. I wouldn't want to be part of a group that refuses to cooperate and get things done. It's futile.

    He exposed the "Magic Sauce" after his amazing success leading to the first Federal Budget in 6 years when Obama was President.

    Google "Government shutdown FAQs | Paul Ryan"...

    He knows how to do it. But nobody will cooperate (R's or D's). So it's a waste of time. I don't blame him for leaving.

    Note: Congress approval rating is 14% today according to Gallup.

    And just giving Democrats a majority won't change that. It was at 14% when Obama was President and had his short Democrat Super-Majority in the HOR and Senate.

    Nothing improves when you change the majority party. They still can't do anything. Because they see the other side as the "Enemy". They can't cooperate with the Enemy. They insist on throwing in things they know their Enemy can't possibly accept

  • dordrecht Salt Lake City, UT
    April 12, 2018 10:14 a.m.

    When the kitchen gets too hot, you get out of the kitchen. Sorry, Paul Ryan, but I don't believe a word of your "family" excuse to give up your lucrative job.

  • Cincinnatus Kearns, UT
    April 12, 2018 10:11 a.m.

    Free-day the 13th said:
    "Paul Ryan has principles we should all respect and strove for a policy course we should all appreciate. Right down to his refusal to make a career out of government power..."

    Really?! Most people would consider 20 years at one employer a career. Add in the fact that he's not "retiring" until January as Speaker so that he can retire with the higher Speaker's pension, which is more than many middle class families make.

    Let's also mention his tax cut bill that he shepherded through the House- it will grow the deficit into the trillion dollar range and ultimately kill small businesses and the middle class. I really can't respect those "principles."

  • Free-day the 13th Springville, UT
    April 12, 2018 9:35 a.m.

    @ marxsist
    Show a comparison of numbers please. How many seniors died sick and poor each year before & after medicaid & medicare and how many kids let their parents die without caring before & after?

    Put the difference (if there is one) up against the 63,000 (see NIH.gov) people that died in 2016 of opioid addiction driven largely by ACA entitlement spending that flooded the country with drugs paid mostly with national credit card that will exact sweat and servitude for generations.

    Ryan got how many bills passed to rescind ACA? My guess: more than the $ bills that freely passed from any Marxist's hand to her/his parents or to any other of our sisters & brothers in need.

    Forced "charity" leads to death. Personal, freely-given careing & service lead to life and joy.

  • ccgabe Hillsboro, OR
    April 12, 2018 8:59 a.m.

    Paul Ryan Saves Medicare and Social Security! .... he's resigning!

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    April 12, 2018 8:57 a.m.

    @free-day the 13th: "...constitutional policy wonks like Ryan..."

    I know that was the spin, but it never matched the man.

    Ryan typically demurred when touted as a policy wunderkind, perhaps knowing enough about policy to recognize that few within the 2018-era GOP would know the difference. But a contest of policy ideas between Ryan and a fire hydrant would be too close to call.

    Sure, Ryan had his hands full corralling the lunatic fringe that comprised the GOP House majority. But there was good reason he was sitting at the top of such overheated rabble. From that perch he could and did churn and chum nonsense policies in the form of House bills that everyone knew never had a chance of passage in the GOP-controlled Senate.

    His singular policy accomplishment -- such as it is -- was the budget-busting GOP 'tax bill'. It was so sloppily drafted that it will require at least 2-3 clean-up bills to simply accomplish its policy objective of placating large GOP donors. Ryan bailing on cleaning up that mess pales in comparison to his rank abdication of the House oversight of the Trump administration. For that he will earn an answer on a Trivial Pursuit card in 20 years.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    April 12, 2018 8:18 a.m.

    "but sadly he [Ryan] may have snuffed out any remaining hope for those who are passionate about public policy."

    What about Bernie Sanders? He's passionate about public policy. Have you heard of him? Right winger you are.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    April 12, 2018 8:14 a.m.

    @Free day "Restore our freedom to choose to care for our neighbors in need."

    Yes, bring back the days when most seniors died sick and broke.

  • Jeremiah Flanksteak Sandy, UT
    April 12, 2018 7:30 a.m.

    Impartial7 NAILED IT. I echo that statement. Passing a tax cut bill that will cripple the middle class once the clock strikes 2026. Perhaps Congress will keep kicking the can down the road until our nation is owned by foreign powers. Paul Ryan is a stooge for Big Money like they all are; don’t be surprised when he run for President in 2020. His kids will be all grown up by then...

  • TeachyMcTeacherPants Sandy, UT
    April 12, 2018 6:29 a.m.

    I didn't know Republicans were so fond of the deficit until this year.

    I guess you have to keep your campaign donors happy. Billionaire taxcuts were a stupid idea and if that is Paul Ryan's "legacy" he's better off in a different job.

    Good riddance.

  • Susan Storm Sandy, UT
    April 12, 2018 6:28 a.m.

    I'm glad he's gone. He would go after my social security in a heartbeat - all the while taking his 70k congressional pension for the rest of his life.

    Paul Ryan is out of touch with reality and would rather give tax cuts to billionaires than admit that his policies hurt the middle class.

  • UtahBlueDevil Alpine, UT
    April 12, 2018 6:13 a.m.

    Paul Ryan has had a nearly impossible job to do. While I don't agree with him on all things, he still has managed to stay above the mire that Washington politics is right now. It will be interesting to see who next will stop forward.

  • Free-day the 13th Springville, UT
    April 12, 2018 6:03 a.m.

    Disgusting that even here in Utah, where self-reliance is still given occasional lip service, there are so many opinion-ators that clamor for entitlement. When a majority vote to take as much as they can of future tax proceeds, the shackles tighten--biting into our flesh & emboldening the wipmasters to tax more, spend more.

    Paul Ryan has principles we should all respect and strove for a policy course we should all appreciate. Right down to his refusal to make a career out of government power, he embodies character seen in our founding fathers. I thank him and wish he and his family well. We will miss him and bleed the more for his absence.

    Please Utah delegation, enact the 13th amendment & end involuntary servitude of tax payers. Restore our freedom to choose to care for our neighbors in need. Charity can never be forced. Only in constitutional policy wonks like Ryan does a future of accountability, personal responsibility, & hope exist.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    April 12, 2018 4:59 a.m.

    "He detested the games of the swamp..."

    Maybe, but he played them all the same, didn't he? That's little different than the cheating husband who tells his wife, "Yeah, I slept with her, but it didn't mean anything."

  • RC in WJ WEST JORDAN, UT
    April 11, 2018 10:25 p.m.

    Ryan will leave the House as a failure because he lacked the backbone to stand up and push back!

    McConnell in the Senate is of the same ilk and deserves the same as Ryan!

    Very shortly they will all want to sing a different tune, but it will be too late.

    History repeats itself. This time its the Pubs turn.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    April 11, 2018 10:19 p.m.

    Speaker Ryan single handedly blew the Federal budget up, albeit with the assistance of Senator Hatch's tax bill for billionaires. And the man styles himself a "thinking Conservative", an oxymoron in trumpAmerica these days.

    All to please the current president, and his paymasters @ Koch Enterprises.

    We are supposed to be sad about this? This would-be "serious" politician was never more than a right wing hack. And one who faced serious challenges to his retention of his very seat in Congress, much less the pomp, prestige and position he has held as Speaker of the House.

    Good riddance, except that his GOP replacement (and I hope there is not one soon) would be even worse.

  • B-Real2 Saratoga Springs, UT
    April 11, 2018 9:43 p.m.

    Ryan pushed through the most recent budget and many other record setting budgets. All of which were not completely funded...and pushed our exhorbitant/insane/pathetic deficit higher. Will he be replaced by someone that likely will do the opposite? No. Likely not. But we’re not losing a Libertarian at the helm. The only people worth keeping in Congress are those like Senator Rand Paul...those that vote against increased govt growth and spending each and every time. A govt that spends more grows more. It’s all so very unnecessary. Ryan could have used his influence to stem the tide. Instead he rode the wave.

  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    April 11, 2018 8:42 p.m.

    I guess he never had a chance to gut social security... good riddance

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    April 11, 2018 8:13 p.m.

    Ryan's passion was and is to finish off social security. I hope to never hear of Ryan again.

  • Sitting Under a Tree Grantsville, UT
    April 11, 2018 7:04 p.m.

    Impartial7:

    A more *impartial* comment would acknowledge that too many politicians-on both sides of the aisle-vote to achieve political expediency, and constantly acquiesce to the will of big-dollar donors.

    A more *impartial* comment would acknowledge that very few politicians possess the desire, will and the stamina to vote to shape a government that lives within its means--because they'd rather pander to a self-serving and short-sighted electorate that seeks more benefits from government than it's willing to pay for.

    A more *impartial* comment would acknowledge our deficit and national debt are the product of the collective actions of our citizenry--through our elected "servants."

    The resolution for our country's ills cannot result from blaming "the other side."

    The resolution is only in what Matheson states: "...elect[ing] individuals who will put principle and policy first...." Only as we citizens fervently resolve to answer John F. Kennedy's call to "Ask not what your country can do for you--ask what you can do for your country," will we change our course.

    Only discipline, sacrifice, and unified, determined effort will undo the mistakes of our and previous generations.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, WA
    April 11, 2018 6:28 p.m.

    Boo-hoo
    Crocodile tears ---

    Republicans have NOBODY else to blame for this.

    at least for now --
    The GOP owns the House,
    The GOP own the Senate,
    and
    because not a single one of them had the courage or a spine to stand up and grow up, TRUMP now owns them...

    Paul Ryan just stepped back and let the piano fall.
    November and the Blue wave can't get here quick enough!

    He's 48,
    he's looking at the POST-apocolyptic Trump era.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    April 11, 2018 5:40 p.m.

    " If we don’t elect individuals who will put principle and policy first, we will never build an agenda for a better America that will last."

    Hmmm. All Matheson did when he ran the Sutherland institute was rail against all things Obama, no matter if some were for the greater good of our country. Now, that it's apparent that the backlash against Trump will cost the GOP the House, he wants to all get along?
    For the record, Ryan and his GOP will be remembered for giving tax cuts to the wealthy, gutting services for the poor, harming the middle class and running up a trillion dollar debt. Oh, and getting rich from the Koch brothers.