Lawmaker fears 'big portion' of sales ‘headed Utah’s way’ despite illegality
@procuradorfiscal1. No one has ever overdosed on weed ALONE, ever. Not a
single reported case in the 6000 years of its use in Neolithic Japan. Not one.
See Trey Gowdy's report on this matter and entirety of congress
couldn't find a single death from cannabis use alone. The overdose rate or
LD-50 of 20-40,000:1. You would need to smoke 1500 lbs in 15 minutes.2. I agree that there are people that drive under the influence of marijuana.
I guess you're insinuating that legalizing will increase this happening.
According to CO Dept of Transportation the number of cannabis involved
fatalities and DUIs alone have decreased every year since legalizing (2016 - 52
deaths, 2017 - 35 deaths)3. You insinuated that cannabis would make
someone more violent which tells me you've never used it. I'm not
saying some people haven't used it then committed crimes, but I would be
willing to bet that they would have most likely committed the violent crime with
or without cannabis and also had other drugs, ie alcohol involved.4.
Your last point feeds into why we should legalize. The most dangerous part of
cannabis is that it's illegal. Make it legal and you've gutted
billions out from the cartels.
TO: Liberal On Planet Zion who chastised me a few days ago for being paranoid
and delusional and for propagandizing marijuana information in a reefer-madness,
nonsensical manner. He/She begged for factual information. Please
refer to the Utah Medical Association statement released March 30, 2018
regarding marijuana and the UMA's stand against legalization. In this
document they reference (among many issues) "buyers remorse" in other
states where marijuana is legal. There are legitimate, learned, sincere
physicians and scientists who are not in favor of legalization.I'm truly sorry about your father and his battle with cancer.
Re: "Fact: Alcohol and firearms kill thousands more people than pot."That's sophistry, not fact.No one really knows how many
people are killed by weed. I don't. You don't. But, it's way more
than a few dying of direct effects.Many people die in accidents
caused by impaired drivers who test negative for blood alcohol. No numbers, but
it's a slam dunk a goodly percentage are impaired from weed use.Then, there are the crime victims. Violent criminals often use weed, and the
altered mental state it produces causes faulty thinking. That we don't have
exact numbers shouldn't prevent us from being concerned.Finally, the greatest number of deaths result from weed's distribution
system. The number includes many poor, third-world farm families forced to grow
and harvest weed, as well as the criminal cartel that brings it to market. Many
"mules" die as they're forced to carry it across arid borders and
in other ways. Gang wars have turned my ancestral home in Northern Mexico and
many other places into deadly free-fire zones.Controlling weed is a
priority. It's demonstrably, laughably disingenuous to suggest it
@DLarsen wrote: "However, in Utah a person can possess up to 100 pounds of
Marijuana for personal use."That's not accurate.
Possession of marijuana (except in limited instances, as prescribed by a
physician) still violates Utah law. It's true that generally speaking, the
penalties for simple possession are not severe. If you possess more than 100
pounds, however, that's a second degree felony and may earn you prison
@BraveNo. It's people that "kill thousands". Not
alcohol and firearms.🤔
Fact: Alcohol and firearms kill thousands more people than pot. Let's get
serious about banning guns shops and alcohol sales first.
If you live long enough, history repeats.Between Kanab and Fredonia
sits the Buckskin Tavern.Same controversy, different day.
@OhAre you saying there are NO plants that can cause death?Just asking.🤔
As usual Utah lags the more progressive states by several years. It will soon be
that Utah officials will see the writing on the wall and follow the lead of
Colorado and legalize marijuana for medical and recreational use. It is already
fully legal in Nevada and Colorado, and medical marijuana is legal and
decriminalized in Arizona, New Mexico, and Montana.The best way to
deal with an outdated policy is just to decriminalize it and let the public do
what it is going to do regardless of the backward thinking of the state
legislature. This does two things. First, it releases law enforcement to do
focus on its mission and stop wasting time trying to enforce nonsensical laws.
Second, it will reduce the number of people being prosecuted and sentenced to
jail at taxpayer expense for a non-violent, acceptable, private activity.Those few who still object to the social change will just have to
adjust. Or they can continue to write judgmental tirades to the 'Letters to
the Editor' section of this newspaper that no one is going to pay any
attention to.Noho e noho i ka nohona..
Re: "Utah officials concerned about marijuana shop 3 miles from
border"What's the concern? Just watch the business and
anyone leaving there and entering Utah should be stopped and searched, based on
probable cause.The revenues to the State of Utah from the fines
collected from the potheads should more than pay for the necessary surveillance
-- if not, raise the fines.The business will soon shut down, and
there's not a thing Colorado can do to stop it.
I hope Utah law enforcement concentrates on serious crime within our borders.
Rather than worrying about what other states do next to the borders.
IE. fireworks from Wyoming, pot from Colorado. gambling in Nevada.
Tobacco is far worse and far more addicting yet I can walk less than a mile from
my house and buy it.Pain killers are far worse than MJ.It can be
regulated but marijuana is far from the worse thing humans can use. I look at
the obesity in Utah and the US and see cars lining up at the places that sell
nothing but soda and wonder why Utahns are so slow to catch on to what is really
“Oh, please!”How perfectly fitting! “Seriously, Flanksteak! People impaired by (high on) marijuana do not
act rationally, rather they become delusional. Physicians from Colorado are
already seeing a MYRIAD (that means MANY) of problems from legalization in their
state. Those physicians have personally told us this”.Seriously “Oh Please” enough of reefer madness nonsense! The only
ones “delusional” are those that knowingly attempt to pass along
utter propaganda as factual information due to their ongoing paranoia.
Furthermore. Feel free providing cited, credible source material regarding
“physicians from Colorado that are seeing a myriad of problems from
legalization in their state” rather the regurgitation of uninformed, low
information talking points. My brother along with numerous colleagues at
CU-Anschutz completely disagree regarding your false claim, as do countless
others based upon a simplistic Google search! Furthermore. My father had a 30+
year career with the D.O.J/F.B.I. and I witnessed firsthand the relief and
assistance marijuana provided him throughout his battle with cancer.
So what we are hearing is that the Utah highway patrol will have informants in
Colorado and prob wendover to help them bust u when u come back across the
borderKinda like the Wyoming deal
There are certainly double standards regarding this issue.Arguably,
tobacco and alcohol are more unhealthy than marijuana, but both of those are
legal for recreational use in Utah. Whatever health arguments one may give to
keep marijuana illegal are also arguments that should work to completely outlaw
tobacco and alcohol, as well.And whatever arguments one makes
against the secondary effects of marijuana, ie impaired driving and its dangers
to others on the roads, support laws that are already on the books. Legalizing
marijuana would not make a difference. And it is hard to imagine marijuana would
contribute more to impaired driving than texting!Overall, I just
don't see any valid reason not to legalize marijuana, for medical purposes
as well as recreational uses, especially with surrounding States having
legalized use just across the border. Law enforcement is more expensive and less
lucrative than it would be to just legalize it altogether and increase the tax
The for profit jails have to have residents dont they
All of the wonderful ideas and suggestions sound great. However, in Utah a
person can possess up to 100 pounds of Marijuana for personal use. This means
that unless Troopers actually saw you come across the border, they could likely
only take the Marijuana and ticket you. As for "Mandatory Checks" at
the border; that would be great. However, police have to have probable cause to
detain you in any way. Thousands of random travelers would be stopped
unconstitutionally, and checked for a possible ounce of weed? The State is
exactly right about their suspicions, and throwing this money away. Why
don't Troopers stop people and check for lotto tickets as well? They are
against Utah law. The Governor says he is against Marijuana. 76% of Utah's
citizens agree with some type of legalization. Point being; who cares what the
Governor personally feels. He is not in office to pursand his religious, and
moral beliefs upon society. He is there to represent the people who elected him!
He talks to Hatch, who talks to Sessions, and the President. They know exactly
when legalization is going to occur; and are simply waiting to avoid letting
ownership of shops to the public Business community!
@Oh Please!I lived in St. George when the adult video shop opened in
Mesquite and the same tactics you advocate were used. The public shaming people
like you didn't do a thing to shut the store down no matter what a
difference you think your cute, little white ribbons did.What did
make the owners decide to shut the store down was the action of the Mesquite
City Council zoning the store to the most remote corner of the city possible.
Jeremiah Flanksteak---"It’s a PLANT folks. You cannot die from using
it for medicinal OR recreational use. It’s a beautiful plant with MYRIAD
(that means MANY) benefits. End the paranoid delusions. LEGALIZE"Seriously, Flanksteak! People impaired by (high on) marijuana do not act
rationally, rather they become delusional. Physicians from Colorado are
already seeing a MYRIAD (that means MANY) of problems from legalization in
their state. Those physicians have personally told us this.
"Oh Please"Kind of like an honor code, right? Peek and go
tell? Listen, here are the cold facts, Cannabis will be legalized at some
point nationally. As we bicker over a cannabis store three miles from the Utah
border, there are numerous liquor stores throughout the state, so wouldn't
rationale say we legalize cannabis in the state as well....in your mind,
what's the difference?Consider this, as we speak there are millions,
yes millions, being spent by private companies, and the government to jockey for
position to be part of this multi billion dollar impending business. My belief
is, one day we'll all be thankful for CBD that is extracted from the plant
and used for literally hundreds of health benefits. I myself, have witnessed
the health benefits of cannabis, as I uprooted and moved out of Utah to relocate
where it is legal, so that I could use it legally for a neurological condition
caused by exposure to chemicals many years ago.Bottom line, put your
camera away and better educate yourself regarding the health benefits of
cannabis and hope that BIG PHARMA doesn't end up controlling it like they
do all those other over-priced prescriptioned meds.
Too funny, Wendover and Mesquite exist because, sinners from Utah choose, as
adults to gamble.This, be afraid, be very afraid, is loosing muster
because the anti cannabis folks have no argument beyond it's another
sin.cjb is correct in pointing out that deadly alcohol is sold by
the state of Utah, exclusively.I noticed at the liquor store recently,
they are selling 1500 ML bottles of Everclear. This particular alcohol being 190
proof, 3 cups will kill you, less will make you blind, actually blind.But
the State of Utah sells that?Since cannabis has no achievable
overdose, there is no comparison. When people claim "we just don't
know, what long term...blah blah, they are speaking of their own ignorance, as
there is plenty of quality research done by other countries, Israel being a
major contributor.Got news for the border patrol fan club, we are
surrounded by states who will cater to Utah's sinners, adults. So be
afraid, be very afraid.Sad thing is, more people are realizing the
opiate addiction their doctor started them on, is a harder recovery then pain
was. Or they are families desperately seeking relief for a child or
It’s a PLANT folks. You cannot die from using it for medicinal OR
recreational use. It’s a beautiful plant with MYRIAD (that means MANY)
benefits. End the paranoid delusions. LEGALIZE!
Mallow, great idea, 5 years in jail and up to $1,000,000 fine that’s worth
working the area. A few of those stops and the word will get around. Troopers
have been taking millions in cash and drugs from off those roads for years
anyway. So it won’t be a great deal of trouble for them anyway. Now it
just becomes easier! I wonder where the million will come from to pay the
federal penalty while setting in prison?
I don't understand the fear of marijuana. It's almost like people
oppose it with religious zeal. Rates of teenage use actually go down when a
state legalizes medical marijuana.
Not only are people possessing pot in Utah breaking state law, but by taking it
across a state border they run afoul of all federal drug laws and the national
DEA. Up to 5 years prison and a million dollar fine for the first offense,
doubled for second offense.
I guess Utah could have mandatory checking stations at the 3 locations inside
the Utah State lines, similar to what California does with stopping fruit from
coming into their state. Marijuana is as much of a danger coming to Utah as
fruit is coming into California, just a different danger. A good reason to also
check vehicles for hard drugs, as well. If we want to protect our state, we
ought to do it right. If people in Utah do not like it, they can always go live
in Colorado or Nevada.
Mallow- really? So you want to waste resources like UHP officers and drug
sniffing dogs to catch a few guys bringing back some gummy bears or a few ounces
of pot? Seems like maybe we have bigger and more pressing issues to focus on.
But maybe they guy eating a gummy bear to get rid of pain threatens you somehow?
You can't buy enough at a dispensary to really matter. The cops
and dogs should focus on the southern roads where more harmful drugs are
entering our state.
Is is one marajuana shop 3 miles outside Utah's border worse than many
State liquor stores inside Utah's border?
Fitness Freak and others...it will be a low priority to you and a lot of other
Utahans until you or someone close to you is the victim of a crime or traffic
accident caused by someone who is high on marijuana. If you happen
to be driving by a shop in Colorado, Mesquite or Wendover and see a license
plate from Utah in the parking lot, stop and take a good pic of the plate and
car...especially if the vehicle has a company name/logo on the side. Send the
pic to their employer or at least call and tell them when you saw the vehicle.
That may stop a lot of it. This was tried in Mesquite when residents there and
from Southern Utah were boycotting a porn store there. That place was shut
"Utah officials concerned about marijuana shop 3 miles from border".
The next thing Utah officials ( let's call them that for now ) will be
really concerned about is when the ballot initiative for medicinal marijuana
comes up for vote in November. The signatures for ballot are in place.
I can see an emergency session of the Legislature. We need really big Zion
curtains to protect our borders. Maybe we can get Mexico to pay for them.
Sounds like a great place to have Utah Highway patrol with canines. Maybe Utah
will get as much from arrests as Dinosaur does from sales.
"In 2017, Colorado collected more than $247 million in revenue from taxes
and fees from retail and medical marijuana sales, according to the Colorado
Department of Revenue.The Denver Post reported combined retail and
medical marijuana sales in Colorado topped $1.5 billion last year."Indeed, and where was that money (and by extension, where Utah's still
is) going before?Hint: not to upstanding businesses nor tax coffers.
Dinosaur, Mesquite , and Wendover. Why do we even bother to enforce Utah pot
Utah can wake up to reality or continue to take the Governor’s position.
Recreational smoking is here. Utah just doesn’t realize any of the tax
benefits enjoyed by our surrounding states. Legalized medicinal marijuana should
be here. To deny those who would benefit is not only cruel, it is un-Christian.
Utah officials REALLY should be more concerned about Wendover than Colorado,
its' much closer to the Wasatch front where the pot buyers reside.Fact is; I don't care to smoke pot - but the fact remains, Utah
won't be able to do much about it coming from either state, so in order to
reduce MY taxes, I'd just as soon they (Utah)legalized it, and collected
taxes on it.They won't be able to stop it - we'll just
have to live with it.Its' a pretty low priority for cops now as