Utah officials concerned about marijuana shop 3 miles from border

Lawmaker fears 'big portion' of sales ‘headed Utah’s way’ despite illegality

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  • meteda1080 Lehi, UT
    Nov. 3, 2018 12:36 a.m.

    @procuradorfiscal
    1. No one has ever overdosed on weed ALONE, ever. Not a single reported case in the 6000 years of its use in Neolithic Japan. Not one. See Trey Gowdy's report on this matter and entirety of congress couldn't find a single death from cannabis use alone. The overdose rate or LD-50 of 20-40,000:1. You would need to smoke 1500 lbs in 15 minutes.

    2. I agree that there are people that drive under the influence of marijuana. I guess you're insinuating that legalizing will increase this happening. According to CO Dept of Transportation the number of cannabis involved fatalities and DUIs alone have decreased every year since legalizing (2016 - 52 deaths, 2017 - 35 deaths)

    3. You insinuated that cannabis would make someone more violent which tells me you've never used it. I'm not saying some people haven't used it then committed crimes, but I would be willing to bet that they would have most likely committed the violent crime with or without cannabis and also had other drugs, ie alcohol involved.

    4. Your last point feeds into why we should legalize. The most dangerous part of cannabis is that it's illegal. Make it legal and you've gutted billions out from the cartels.

  • Oh, please! Saint George, UT
    April 10, 2018 4:37 p.m.

    TO: Liberal On Planet Zion who chastised me a few days ago for being paranoid and delusional and for propagandizing marijuana information in a reefer-madness, nonsensical manner. He/She begged for factual information.

    Please refer to the Utah Medical Association statement released March 30, 2018 regarding marijuana and the UMA's stand against legalization. In this document they reference (among many issues) "buyers remorse" in other states where marijuana is legal. There are legitimate, learned, sincere physicians and scientists who are not in favor of legalization.

    I'm truly sorry about your father and his battle with cancer.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    April 10, 2018 3:52 p.m.

    Re: "Fact: Alcohol and firearms kill thousands more people than pot."

    That's sophistry, not fact.

    No one really knows how many people are killed by weed. I don't. You don't. But, it's way more than a few dying of direct effects.

    Many people die in accidents caused by impaired drivers who test negative for blood alcohol. No numbers, but it's a slam dunk a goodly percentage are impaired from weed use.

    Then, there are the crime victims. Violent criminals often use weed, and the altered mental state it produces causes faulty thinking. That we don't have exact numbers shouldn't prevent us from being concerned.

    Finally, the greatest number of deaths result from weed's distribution system. The number includes many poor, third-world farm families forced to grow and harvest weed, as well as the criminal cartel that brings it to market. Many "mules" die as they're forced to carry it across arid borders and in other ways. Gang wars have turned my ancestral home in Northern Mexico and many other places into deadly free-fire zones.

    Controlling weed is a priority. It's demonstrably, laughably disingenuous to suggest it shouldn't be.

  • shamrock Salt Lake City, UT
    April 10, 2018 3:15 p.m.

    @DLarsen wrote: "However, in Utah a person can possess up to 100 pounds of Marijuana for personal use."

    That's not accurate. Possession of marijuana (except in limited instances, as prescribed by a physician) still violates Utah law. It's true that generally speaking, the penalties for simple possession are not severe. If you possess more than 100 pounds, however, that's a second degree felony and may earn you prison time.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    April 9, 2018 11:09 p.m.

    @Brave

    No. It's people that "kill thousands". Not alcohol and firearms.

    🤔

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    April 9, 2018 9:12 a.m.

    Fact: Alcohol and firearms kill thousands more people than pot. Let's get serious about banning guns shops and alcohol sales first.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    April 9, 2018 8:56 a.m.

    If you live long enough, history repeats.

    Between Kanab and Fredonia sits the Buckskin Tavern.

    Same controversy, different day.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    April 9, 2018 8:16 a.m.

    @Oh

    Are you saying there are NO plants that can cause death?

    Just asking.

    🤔

  • Jim Chee Ka'anapali, HI
    April 9, 2018 1:42 a.m.

    As usual Utah lags the more progressive states by several years. It will soon be that Utah officials will see the writing on the wall and follow the lead of Colorado and legalize marijuana for medical and recreational use. It is already fully legal in Nevada and Colorado, and medical marijuana is legal and decriminalized in Arizona, New Mexico, and Montana.

    The best way to deal with an outdated policy is just to decriminalize it and let the public do what it is going to do regardless of the backward thinking of the state legislature. This does two things. First, it releases law enforcement to do focus on its mission and stop wasting time trying to enforce nonsensical laws. Second, it will reduce the number of people being prosecuted and sentenced to jail at taxpayer expense for a non-violent, acceptable, private activity.

    Those few who still object to the social change will just have to adjust. Or they can continue to write judgmental tirades to the 'Letters to the Editor' section of this newspaper that no one is going to pay any attention to.

    Noho e noho i ka nohona..

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    April 8, 2018 8:59 p.m.

    Re: "Utah officials concerned about marijuana shop 3 miles from border"

    What's the concern? Just watch the business and anyone leaving there and entering Utah should be stopped and searched, based on probable cause.

    The revenues to the State of Utah from the fines collected from the potheads should more than pay for the necessary surveillance -- if not, raise the fines.

    The business will soon shut down, and there's not a thing Colorado can do to stop it.

  • mrjj69 bountiful, UT
    April 8, 2018 8:40 p.m.

    I hope Utah law enforcement concentrates on serious crime within our borders. Rather than
    worrying about what other states do next to the borders. IE. fireworks from Wyoming, pot from Colorado. gambling in Nevada.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    April 8, 2018 1:45 p.m.

    Tobacco is far worse and far more addicting yet I can walk less than a mile from my house and buy it.
    Pain killers are far worse than MJ.
    It can be regulated but marijuana is far from the worse thing humans can use. I look at the obesity in Utah and the US and see cars lining up at the places that sell nothing but soda and wonder why Utahns are so slow to catch on to what is really harmful.

  • Liberal On Planet Zion SLC, UT
    April 8, 2018 1:10 p.m.

    “Oh, please!”

    How perfectly fitting!

    “Seriously, Flanksteak! People impaired by (high on) marijuana do not act rationally, rather they become delusional. Physicians from Colorado are already seeing a MYRIAD (that means MANY) of problems from legalization in their state. Those physicians have personally told us this”.

    Seriously “Oh Please” enough of reefer madness nonsense! The only ones “delusional” are those that knowingly attempt to pass along utter propaganda as factual information due to their ongoing paranoia. Furthermore. Feel free providing cited, credible source material regarding “physicians from Colorado that are seeing a myriad of problems from legalization in their state” rather the regurgitation of uninformed, low information talking points. My brother along with numerous colleagues at CU-Anschutz completely disagree regarding your false claim, as do countless others based upon a simplistic Google search! Furthermore. My father had a 30+ year career with the D.O.J/F.B.I. and I witnessed firsthand the relief and assistance marijuana provided him throughout his battle with cancer.

  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    April 8, 2018 12:57 p.m.

    So what we are hearing is that the Utah highway patrol will have informants in Colorado and prob wendover to help them bust u when u come back across the border

    Kinda like the Wyoming deal

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    April 8, 2018 12:18 p.m.

    There are certainly double standards regarding this issue.

    Arguably, tobacco and alcohol are more unhealthy than marijuana, but both of those are legal for recreational use in Utah. Whatever health arguments one may give to keep marijuana illegal are also arguments that should work to completely outlaw tobacco and alcohol, as well.

    And whatever arguments one makes against the secondary effects of marijuana, ie impaired driving and its dangers to others on the roads, support laws that are already on the books. Legalizing marijuana would not make a difference. And it is hard to imagine marijuana would contribute more to impaired driving than texting!

    Overall, I just don't see any valid reason not to legalize marijuana, for medical purposes as well as recreational uses, especially with surrounding States having legalized use just across the border. Law enforcement is more expensive and less lucrative than it would be to just legalize it altogether and increase the tax revenues.

  • tryingtosmile salt lake city, UT
    April 8, 2018 11:06 a.m.

    The for profit jails have to have residents dont they

  • dlarsen Salt Lake City, UT
    April 8, 2018 10:59 a.m.

    All of the wonderful ideas and suggestions sound great. However, in Utah a person can possess up to 100 pounds of Marijuana for personal use. This means that unless Troopers actually saw you come across the border, they could likely only take the Marijuana and ticket you. As for "Mandatory Checks" at the border; that would be great. However, police have to have probable cause to detain you in any way. Thousands of random travelers would be stopped unconstitutionally, and checked for a possible ounce of weed? The State is exactly right about their suspicions, and throwing this money away. Why don't Troopers stop people and check for lotto tickets as well? They are against Utah law. The Governor says he is against Marijuana. 76% of Utah's citizens agree with some type of legalization. Point being; who cares what the Governor personally feels. He is not in office to pursand his religious, and moral beliefs upon society. He is there to represent the people who elected him! He talks to Hatch, who talks to Sessions, and the President. They know exactly when legalization is going to occur; and are simply waiting to avoid letting ownership of shops to the public Business community!

  • ExDixieIte Salt Lake City, UT
    April 8, 2018 10:25 a.m.

    @Oh Please!

    I lived in St. George when the adult video shop opened in Mesquite and the same tactics you advocate were used. The public shaming people like you didn't do a thing to shut the store down no matter what a difference you think your cute, little white ribbons did.

    What did make the owners decide to shut the store down was the action of the Mesquite City Council zoning the store to the most remote corner of the city possible.

  • Oh, please! Saint George, UT
    April 8, 2018 9:46 a.m.

    Jeremiah Flanksteak---"It’s a PLANT folks. You cannot die from using it for medicinal OR recreational use. It’s a beautiful plant with MYRIAD (that means MANY) benefits. End the paranoid delusions. LEGALIZE"

    Seriously, Flanksteak! People impaired by (high on) marijuana do not act rationally, rather they become delusional. Physicians from Colorado are already seeing a MYRIAD (that means MANY) of problems from legalization in their state. Those physicians have personally told us this.

  • RationalCougar St. George, UT
    April 8, 2018 8:32 a.m.

    "Oh Please"

    Kind of like an honor code, right? Peek and go tell? Listen, here are the cold facts, Cannabis will be legalized at some point nationally. As we bicker over a cannabis store three miles from the Utah border, there are numerous liquor stores throughout the state, so wouldn't rationale say we legalize cannabis in the state as well....in your mind, what's the difference?
    Consider this, as we speak there are millions, yes millions, being spent by private companies, and the government to jockey for position to be part of this multi billion dollar impending business. My belief is, one day we'll all be thankful for CBD that is extracted from the plant and used for literally hundreds of health benefits. I myself, have witnessed the health benefits of cannabis, as I uprooted and moved out of Utah to relocate where it is legal, so that I could use it legally for a neurological condition caused by exposure to chemicals many years ago.

    Bottom line, put your camera away and better educate yourself regarding the health benefits of cannabis and hope that BIG PHARMA doesn't end up controlling it like they do all those other over-priced prescriptioned meds.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    April 8, 2018 8:03 a.m.

    Too funny, Wendover and Mesquite exist because, sinners from Utah choose, as adults to gamble.

    This, be afraid, be very afraid, is loosing muster because the anti cannabis folks have no argument beyond it's another sin.

    cjb is correct in pointing out that deadly alcohol is sold by the state of Utah, exclusively.
    I noticed at the liquor store recently, they are selling 1500 ML bottles of Everclear. This particular alcohol being 190 proof, 3 cups will kill you, less will make you blind, actually blind.
    But the State of Utah sells that?

    Since cannabis has no achievable overdose, there is no comparison. When people claim "we just don't know, what long term...blah blah, they are speaking of their own ignorance, as there is plenty of quality research done by other countries, Israel being a major contributor.

    Got news for the border patrol fan club, we are surrounded by states who will cater to Utah's sinners, adults. So be afraid, be very afraid.

    Sad thing is, more people are realizing the opiate addiction their doctor started them on, is a harder recovery then pain was.

    Or they are families desperately seeking relief for a child or sick parent.

  • Jeremiah Flanksteak Sandy, UT
    April 8, 2018 5:59 a.m.

    It’s a PLANT folks. You cannot die from using it for medicinal OR recreational use. It’s a beautiful plant with MYRIAD (that means MANY) benefits. End the paranoid delusions. LEGALIZE!

  • Morgan Duel Taylorsville, UT
    April 8, 2018 1:17 a.m.

    Mallow, great idea, 5 years in jail and up to $1,000,000 fine that’s worth working the area. A few of those stops and the word will get around. Troopers have been taking millions in cash and drugs from off those roads for years anyway. So it won’t be a great deal of trouble for them anyway. Now it just becomes easier! I wonder where the million will come from to pay the federal penalty while setting in prison?

  • sgallen Salt Lake City, UT
    April 8, 2018 1:00 a.m.

    I don't understand the fear of marijuana. It's almost like people oppose it with religious zeal. Rates of teenage use actually go down when a state legalizes medical marijuana.

  • Prodicus Provo, UT
    April 7, 2018 11:28 p.m.

    Not only are people possessing pot in Utah breaking state law, but by taking it across a state border they run afoul of all federal drug laws and the national DEA. Up to 5 years prison and a million dollar fine for the first offense, doubled for second offense.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    April 7, 2018 10:11 p.m.

    I guess Utah could have mandatory checking stations at the 3 locations inside the Utah State lines, similar to what California does with stopping fruit from coming into their state. Marijuana is as much of a danger coming to Utah as fruit is coming into California, just a different danger. A good reason to also check vehicles for hard drugs, as well. If we want to protect our state, we ought to do it right. If people in Utah do not like it, they can always go live in Colorado or Nevada.

  • yankees27 Heber, Utah
    April 7, 2018 9:34 p.m.

    Mallow- really? So you want to waste resources like UHP officers and drug sniffing dogs to catch a few guys bringing back some gummy bears or a few ounces of pot? Seems like maybe we have bigger and more pressing issues to focus on. But maybe they guy eating a gummy bear to get rid of pain threatens you somehow?

    You can't buy enough at a dispensary to really matter. The cops and dogs should focus on the southern roads where more harmful drugs are entering our state.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    April 7, 2018 9:26 p.m.

    Is is one marajuana shop 3 miles outside Utah's border worse than many State liquor stores inside Utah's border?

  • Oh, please! Saint George, UT
    April 7, 2018 9:09 p.m.

    Fitness Freak and others...it will be a low priority to you and a lot of other Utahans until you or someone close to you is the victim of a crime or traffic accident caused by someone who is high on marijuana.

    If you happen to be driving by a shop in Colorado, Mesquite or Wendover and see a license plate from Utah in the parking lot, stop and take a good pic of the plate and car...especially if the vehicle has a company name/logo on the side. Send the pic to their employer or at least call and tell them when you saw the vehicle. That may stop a lot of it. This was tried in Mesquite when residents there and from Southern Utah were boycotting a porn store there. That place was shut down.

  • oaklandaforlife Salt Lake City, UT
    April 7, 2018 8:57 p.m.

    "Utah officials concerned about marijuana shop 3 miles from border". The next thing Utah officials ( let's call them that for now ) will be really concerned about is when the ballot initiative for medicinal marijuana comes up for vote in November. The signatures for ballot are in place.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    April 7, 2018 7:56 p.m.

    I can see an emergency session of the Legislature. We need really big Zion curtains to protect our borders. Maybe we can get Mexico to pay for them.

  • mallow Pleasant Grove, UT
    April 7, 2018 6:56 p.m.

    Sounds like a great place to have Utah Highway patrol with canines. Maybe Utah will get as much from arrests as Dinosaur does from sales.

  • squirrel whisperer Lehi, UT
    April 7, 2018 6:54 p.m.

    "In 2017, Colorado collected more than $247 million in revenue from taxes and fees from retail and medical marijuana sales, according to the Colorado Department of Revenue.

    The Denver Post reported combined retail and medical marijuana sales in Colorado topped $1.5 billion last year."

    Indeed, and where was that money (and by extension, where Utah's still is) going before?
    Hint: not to upstanding businesses nor tax coffers.

  • stevo123 Driggs, ID
    April 7, 2018 6:52 p.m.

    Dinosaur, Mesquite , and Wendover. Why do we even bother to enforce Utah pot laws?

  • BJMoose Syracuse, UT
    April 7, 2018 6:32 p.m.

    Utah can wake up to reality or continue to take the Governor’s position. Recreational smoking is here. Utah just doesn’t realize any of the tax benefits enjoyed by our surrounding states. Legalized medicinal marijuana should be here. To deny those who would benefit is not only cruel, it is un-Christian.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    April 7, 2018 5:33 p.m.

    Utah officials REALLY should be more concerned about Wendover than Colorado, its' much closer to the Wasatch front where the pot buyers reside.

    Fact is; I don't care to smoke pot - but the fact remains, Utah won't be able to do much about it coming from either state, so in order to reduce MY taxes, I'd just as soon they (Utah)legalized it, and collected taxes on it.

    They won't be able to stop it - we'll just have to live with it.

    Its' a pretty low priority for cops now as it is.