Trump is clearly showing the way forward on immigration, while the swamp is
trying to replace US citizens.
Don't know that I've ever agreed with Fitness Freak, but I do this
time.The way forward is easy to see, it's just hard to
do...further evidence that much of our politics is really driven by the
Oligarchs or at least would be Oligarchs.
"Nevertheless, the Church takes seriously its responsibility to hold its
members accountable for their conduct with respect of the laws of God and
man.” If only this were true, illegal immigration would end.
I am reading about the regulatory government these days. Did you know that the
IRS unilaterally created an amnesty program back in 1999? They decided to give
ITIN cards to people who are here illegally. (The ineligibility to get a Social
Security card is one of the requirements.Ostensibly, this was a way
to collect taxes, but most of the ITIN holders don't report enough income
to pay taxes. But they DO qualify for child tax credits. So, we pay $1K per
child to them.Congress didn't debate the ITIN program. They
didn't create a law about it. The IRS just did it. And when the IG of
Treasury reported billions in fraud as a result, Congress chose NOT to demand a
halt to the program.The private sector responded by accepting the
ITIN and Matricula cards for car loans and home loans, thus helping to entrench
illegal aliens.Like The Educator is always telling us here, get
educated. Somehow I don't think he's going to like my lesson.This is just one sliver of the deeply rooted political problem we call
Illegal immigration is stolen U.S. residency. Allowing children of illegals to
stay (DACA) is in essence the same as allowing the child of a bank robber to
keep the heist. It is wrong . Send DACAs home, with the parents that
brought them here. Thou shalt not cover. Thou shalt not steal. Build up your
Border security first before any action on amnesty or path to citizenship for
DACA folks.Anyone here illegally other than DACA is welcome to return home
and apply for legal entry, but not to remain here another minute.We
have immigration laws and obey and enforce them, or we are a lawless nation
where no one who is a citizen should be expected to be any more law abiding than
people breaking our immigration laws.Cracking down on those
employing illegal immigrants is a very high priority, regardless of what the
Chamber of Commerce might want.Legal immigrants are welcome, illegal
are not. It is simple as that.
Trump's DACA deal requires me to pony up for his wall--remember, the wall
he said Mexico would pay for?He's the worst bait-and-switch
operator ever known.
I wish it was that simple. The wall, e-verify, interior enforcement and more
judges were part of the 1986 amnesty, but never enforced. A visa entry/exit
system was part of the 1996 immigration reform, but never enforced. We are going
nowhere until we enforce laws passed but never enforced,The
Democrats have not won the white vote since 1964, they rely on immigration votes
and amnesties(7) to build there voter base, until they change, we are going to
see this play over again and again.
@Impartial7The business angle is a big part of the problem. GWB was as
guilty as Obama.Key enforcement efforts, like No Match Letters and
worksite raids are important, as are prosecuting business owners and
managers.They are systematically protected from prosecution because
E-Verify is not mandatory and the bar of "knowingly hiring persons illegally
present" is too high to prove in court.It is shameful that The
Chamber of Commerce and Wall Street Journal support amnesty for illegals.The unholy trinity when it comes to amnesty voices: Labor unions,
businesses and advocacy groups. These three exert intense pressure on our
elected officials.I would gladly agree to arresting business
owners...AND the workers themselves.
@SayNotoBO;"We watched 3,000 people died on national television in
2001, and even THAT didn't bring us the needed resolve.No, this is
not relatively simple."I agree with a lot of what you say. But,
until true conservatives place the blame where it belongs, and call out the
enablers, even if it hurts to do so, nothing will change. Why are most of these
people here illegally? For jobs. They are not coming here, collecting welfare
and sending that money back to Mexico. They are here working for employers that
know they are illegal. Utah is the reddest of the red states. We could make
E-Verify mandatory in a minute. We could mandate stiff penalties for employers,
both financial and criminal, if we wanted-also in a minute. But we don't.
Why? Because Utah business owners and GOP supporters want cheap labor. Yes, they
come here for work, but they also have kids that drain our resources. States
with mandatory E-Verify have seen illegals move away. Arizona is a perfect
example. Utah is the unfortunate beneficiary of the illegals moving from AZ to
here. Why Utah? Because they know Utah doesn't enforce E-Verify. Until Utah
conservatives put their money where their mouths are, we're sunk.
Unethical business persons understand that the looooonger they can keep both
political parties haggling about the solution to immigration (legal and
otherwise), the longer they can keep their pool of cheap labor coming and
coming,and coming.......And we ALL know that politicians live for
the donations that they receive from these unethical business persons.Imagine the angst from the business community if they lose their unlimited
supply of cheap labor.They MIGHT actually have to hire Americans, or
(gasp)actually do the work themselves!
The editor assumes logic and politics coexist. Not so.There are many
"sides" to this issue and the people don't get much of a say. Poll
results should always be suspect.Senator Alan Simpson said the
immigration issue brought about "the goofiest ideological bedfellow activity
I've ever seen."William H. Seward was Lincoln's
Secretary of State. In 1858, as a US Senator, Seward gave a speech we call The
Irrepressible Conflict. He explained the many facets of the slavery problem;
economic, religious, partisan, ethical, regional, state vs. federal
authority...We are there again. Washington has studied the illegal
alien problem a number of times. In 1981, 1994, 1997 and after 9/11. The
recommendations were sickening in their similarityWe watched 3,000
people died on national television in 2001, and even THAT didn't bring us
the needed resolve.No, this is not relatively simple. Like 1860, this will not end well.
A lot of what Matheson says would be achievable if Trump realized he is the
president of 330 million people, not a base of rabid supporters who groove off
their right-wing media echo chamber. When Trump says,"women are
raped at levels nobody has ever seen before on journey to US" that virulent
rhetoric only fuels divisiveness and fear. It is not responsible leadership. Appealing to the base instincts of xenophobes is a sure sign Trump is
too lazy to make a sincere effort to solve this problem.
Easy, easy answer to all this, that for some reason is always avoided. If you
hire an illegal alien or rent them an apartment, you get one year in person, per
person and a $50,000 fine per person. Few would risk this level of punishment in
order to get cheap labor.If there is not the lure of a job or
housing in the US, then there is no illegal immigration. On the other hand,
crops are rotting in the fields in California, so there is a need to provide a
legal route for seasonal workers to come into the country and provide manual
labor. Make entry automated, secure and easy. Get people in, send them back
out when the job is done. Seems like a workable solution.
No one wants to give anything up to the other side.