Letter: Nothing wrong with the census citizenship question

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  • Utefan60 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 11, 2018 12:36 p.m.

    2 bits - Cottonwood Heights, UT, I didn't leave a single fact out. The census was used to incarcerate Japanese American citizens. Nice try deflecting that Roosevelt was a Democrat. Both parties are not even a shadow of what they were them. History has changed both parties. The GOP is hardly similar to Reagan either.

    Republicans since Roosevelt have shown they can not govern.. And now with Trump we are seeing racist, bigoted and white supremacist's comments mostly from the Republicans. Anti immigration is in the laps of the GOP, and the wall is a GOP idea.....paid for by Mexico..... right 2 bits? Maybe you need to update your "facts" to current events. GOP supporters always seem to deflect from the dangers of the current trump regime and the lack of decency from the GOP.

    Little fact that you left out?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 6, 2018 8:27 a.m.

    @BlueDevil 11:00
    RE: "The two part question to determine race and ethnic origin - which is new this time is what is being debated"...
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    Race question is not what's being debated here. Read the headline...

    "Nothing wrong with the census CITIZENSHIP question".

    Race question is not the topic. But I did address your concern by pointing out there has been a question about race on the census since 1910. Not the exact same question, but a question about race on the census for a long time. I may have not been a two part question, but it's still a question about race, and it was on the Census when Obama was President, and when Clinton was President, and you said nothing.

    Every Hospital is required by Federal law to ask and record the same 2 part question on Race and Ethnicity for every patient admitted (Clinton law). You didn't complain then. Why?

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    My 1:27 comment was addressed to you and to Thomas Jefferson 12:18, who denied Democrats said the Citizenship question was Unconstitutional, and asked for verifiable quotes (which I gave him). Anybody who watches the news would know about Democrats insisting that question is unconstitutional.

  • UtahBlueDevil Alpine, UT
    April 5, 2018 11:00 p.m.

    2Bits - no where did I say it was unconstitutional - nice try though. There are lots of legal things that aren't all that productive. Going to the two part question to determine race and ethnic origin - which is new this time is what is being debated. The government is adding questions along the lines of if you are "hispanic", are you a Cuban Hispanic, or a Mexican Hispanic.

    And what is completely missed in many cases these categories don't work nicely. My son who would be considered Caribbean Black would still be miscategorized. Per his DNA he is more European than he is any flavor of "black". Likewise most "whites" of European ancestry could not nail down their heritage to just one country.

    I am personally 65% scandinavian - the rest Eastern European. But I am not being asked this question. Only non-whites. If you are African, they want to know what part of the continent you came from.....

    None of this is unconstitutional - as you allude that I made that claim. But it is totally irrelevant. I do not want our government gerrymandering voting districts based on people's color of skin.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 5, 2018 1:50 p.m.

    @Utefan 8:33
    RE: "The census was used during World War 2 to label legal American citizens of Japanese heritage. That was such a sad day in our history"...
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    Yes. And who was the President who did that? Roosevelt (A Democrat)

    Don't know if you intended for people to think about that, but it was a Democrat President (not named Trump).

    The Japanese citizens relocated by Roosevelt admin were US citizens. Most of them born in the US.

    Just exposing the facts you left out.

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    UtahBlueDevil,
    There has been questions about race on the census since 1910. It's not a Trump thing. Sorry.

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    Hospitals are required to collect race of patient during admission process. That data is shared with the government. Why is it unconstitutional to ask on a Census?

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    Mata has a good point.

    A question about race was on the census when Obama was President. And you complained zip... why?

    Why did Democrats not complain?

    Why did media not complain?

    Hmm... no anti-Trump bias in the media today, right?

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    Maverick,
    How did it become about guns? A little off topic don't ya think?

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    Thomas 12:18
    Were my verifiable quotes of Democrats saying it's Unconstitutional good enough?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 5, 2018 1:27 p.m.

    BlueDevil
    You are oblivious if you don't know Democrats called this Citizenship question unconstitutional. You too Jefferson.

    Here's your verifiable quotes.

    Google "Citizenship Question in the 2020 Census Would Be Unconstitutional ...

    Newsweek:
    "Democratic Attorneys General from 19 states sent a letter to U.S. Commerce Secretary Monday saying proposal to add a question about citizenship status to the 2020 Census would be unconstitutional"...

    Google "2020 census to include citizenship question"...
    "Becerra was one of 17 Democratic state attorneys general who wrote Ross a letter last month warning him against including the citizenship question. Doing so, they argued, would be unconstitutional"...

    NY Times:
    "said Mr. Becerra. “What the Trump administration is requesting is not just alarming, it is unconstitutional”

    Washington Post:
    Photo of Democrats with caption
    "Tuesday, saying a plan to add a citizenship question to the census questionnaire is unconstitutional"...

    Boston Globe
    "NEW YORK — Seventeen states, including Massachusetts, saying the addition of a citizenship question to the census form is unconstitutional"...

    Where do you guys get your news?

  • UtahBlueDevil Alpine, UT
    April 5, 2018 12:19 p.m.

    2Bits.... maybe I live in a bubble, but I haven't seen democrats complaining about citizenship.... not saying they haven't, but I haven't seen it. What I have seen complaints on is increasing the questions about race. If you are Caribbean Black, or African Black.... etc.

    Whether you are a citizen is fine - because those that aren't will likely either just not answer or say they are. It's a rather pointless question if we are looking for accurate numbers. Migrant workers are likely to not even be included in the census.

  • Thomas Jefferson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 5, 2018 12:18 p.m.

    2 bits said:

    "There's nothing wrong with the government asking a question about citizenship status in the census.

    Democrats keep saying that's Unconstitutional.

    That's malarkey. How is the government asking about citizenship status unconstitutional?

    When asked, Democrats say the Constitution only allows the government to count people, not ask questions. Well they can ask how many bathrooms and bedrooms I have... but they can't ask anything about Citizenship Status? That's malarkey."

    What democrats said any of that? Verifiable quotes please.

    Thanks, I will take my answer off the air.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 5, 2018 11:37 a.m.

    There's nothing wrong with the government asking a question about citizenship status in the census.

    Democrats keep saying that's Unconstitutional.

    That's malarkey. How is the government asking about citizenship status unconstitutional?

    When asked, Democrats say the Constitution only allows the government to count people, not ask questions. Well they can ask how many bathrooms and bedrooms I have... but they can't ask anything about Citizenship Status? That's malarkey.

    Asking the question doesn't mean they won't count you based on your citizenship status. The question is so we know more about the makeup of our population, and their demographics (including citizenship status).

    Currently politicians have to guess/estimate numbers in each status.

    Democrats say some people won't fill out the form if you ask about citizenship status Well that's their decision.

    I would like to know the makup of our population. Including citizenship status. And "Citizenship Status" does not equal "Citizen or not Citizen". There's lots of Statuses. Just because you're not a citizen doesn't mean you are in the country illegally. Get educated on what "Citizenship Status" means.

  • KDave Moab, UT
    April 5, 2018 9:45 a.m.

    You do not have to be a citizen to live in this country legaly. Much ado over nothing.

  • UtahBlueDevil Alpine, UT
    April 5, 2018 9:11 a.m.

    "This is not about racism, it is about finding out how many people live in the U.S. that are legal and illegal."

    Baloney. That question would be "are you a US Citizen"..... not what color are you. Ones race does not tell you if someone is legal or not. What a frightening thought that you can determine someones citizenship status based on where their grandmother grew up.

    What you are saying is Brown Skin = Illegal Alien. You have to remember that in large parts of this country white never was the original skin color. It really saddens me some are so stuck on trying to bin people into legal versus ill legal based on skin color alone - or ethnic origin.

    Pathetic.

  • GrainOfSalt Draper, UT
    April 5, 2018 8:19 a.m.

    The citizenship question should habe nothing to do with race. However, it is very important to count thr number of citizens in each state as that determines the number of congressional representatives each state gets. So it comes down to political power. It isn't accidental that states with a supposedly high illegal immigrant population have sued to block this change. They could lose seats in the House of Representatives. The question should be asked, and for those who choose to not answer, that would be unwise. You may end up hurting your own state's chance of getting additional seats in Congress.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    April 5, 2018 8:16 a.m.

    Let's just skip the census altogether. It is not Washington's business how much I earn, how much school I have, how many toilets or TVs are in my house, what language we speak behind closed doors...

    The citizenship question is low on the list of intrusive questions.

    The very idea is Orwellian.

    The census is an idea whose time has come...and gone.

    (Cue the big government bureaucrats who want money for their pet projects and use census data to make their point.)

  • ConservativeCommonTater West Valley City, UT
    April 5, 2018 7:18 a.m.

    "The only way to get rid of racism is to stop categorizing people by their race. We are Americans. Not Mexican-Americans. Not African-Americans. Not European Americans. We are just Americans."

    This is not about racism, it is about finding out how many people live in the U.S. that are legal and illegal.

    It is always the Hispanic population and their supporters that play the racism card. That is a false argument, but since they make up about 81% of illegals, they feel picked on.

    Why is it that Hispanics get to be here illegally and jump ahead of everyone else that wants to come here legally?

    If someone is going to claim that they are threatened in their own country, then why isn't the same level of pity going out to the people in Syria, Bangladesh, and may African countries? Is it because illegal Hispanics can walk across the border and we would have to provide plane fair for others?

    Hispanics should not get special treatment or pity in the census.

  • Mata Leao Ogden, UT
    April 5, 2018 7:18 a.m.

    The citizenship question was on the 2010 census and there wasn't an issue with it. Maybe because Obama was prez and got favorable coverage, I don't know, just a guess.

    The reason the question stood out in 2010 was because my wife was not a citizen at the time. The question wasn't intrusive, it didn't ask how many illegals lived in the house. It only asked (as I recall) how many total and how many of those are citizens, nothing more.

    This year will be different. This year my wife will proudly mark "Citizen". Why? Not because her husband told her to, but because she is a proud U.S. Citizen.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    April 5, 2018 4:42 a.m.

    Trump is to concerned about race.

  • UtahBlueDevil Alpine, UT
    April 4, 2018 10:46 p.m.

    As a father of a multi-racial family, I would prefer we just delete the question all together. We need to stop trying to bin people into groups that are artificial. The only way to get rid of racism is to stop categorizing people by their race. We are Americans. Not Mexican-Americans. Not African-Americans. Not European Americans. We are just Americans.

    I know most in the race debate would see this as risky. But what we've been doing for the last 50 years hasn't worked... Let's just try treating people as people, and protect all peoples rights equally. The census doesn't ask us about our religions - and yet that effects who we are far more than where my great great grandfather came from - or at least it should.

  • The Real Maverick Spanish Fork, UT
    April 4, 2018 9:33 p.m.

    “stand up and let our legislators know that we need and want a true census on how many citizens and non-citizens we really have in Utah and in our country.”

    And you claim that this won’t be used to for political advantage? Hilarious! You undermine your own argument with your last sentence.

    Why should the census only count citizens? Why shouldn’t it count everyone living here?

    I’ll agree to this cooked up census only as long as we can ask questions about guns! How many guns do you have? Which kinds? Where do you store them?

    Deal?

  • Utefan60 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 4, 2018 8:33 p.m.

    The census was used during World War 2 to label legal American citizens of Japanese heritage.

    That was such a sad day in our history. It is being repeated by the anti-immigrant people now.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    April 4, 2018 8:00 p.m.

    @Thomas Jefferson - April 4, 2018 4:40 p.m.

    I will be leaving that question blank and suggest everyone else do it as well.

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    My husband and I were born in the United States and have the certified birth certificates from the state in which we were born to prove our citizenship. Like you, we will be leaving that question blank on the census form and suggest everyone else do that as well. The purpose of the census is to determine a count of everyone living within the borders of the United States, citizen or not, and not to get a citizen count and identification. There is too much personal information requested in the census form as it is.

  • Thomas Jefferson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 4, 2018 4:40 p.m.

    I will be leaving that question blank and suggest everyone else do it as well.