According to @Bloodhound, god said: "And let there be a gun in every
man's hands". Sure, sure, I can see him doing that. /s
My source? CBS News: "The peak crowd size was 202,796 people, with a margin
of error of 15 percent, the firm said. No CBS reported what Digital
Design & Imaging Services reported plus what the organizers reported DD&IS..more than 200,000 people attended the March for Our Lives
demonstration in Washington D.C. on Saturday, according to Digital Design &
Imaging Service.The organizers put the total number of attendees at
closer to 800,000.Why do you righties make these false statements
"all the time". You can debate which estimate is correct
but you can't claim CBS said... Just stop this.
1. Children have never been able to vote in any democracy in the history of the
world because they can be exploited, mobilized, and manipulated without full
cognitive maturity. While it's good that children are motivated to
participate when mature, it is not good to uncritically adopt facile demands
from them about human rights debated over millennia and enshrined in the bill of
rights, especially when there is ample evidence that many of these children have
been manipulated by teachers, media, hollywood money contributions. This is
actually quite dangerous as millions of Americans could fight back against such
and horrible violence could ensue. 2. Being "liberal" means
supporting individual rights and civil liberties, not tearing them down. No one
who ever seeks to strip rights from the bill of rights, or condemn the bill of
rights itself, can ever be considered a true "liberal." They are in fact
the opposite. You can call them "progressive" or something else, but not
"liberal."3. The Bill of Rights constitute the
"inalienable" rights afforded all citizens by our governing documents.
It's very possible half of America would defend them with their lives.
@kolob1My bad. I left off a zero. I meant 200,000 on Saturday.My source? CBS News: "The peak crowd size was 202,796 people, with a
margin of error of 15 percent, the firm said. The crowd reached its largest size
at 1 p.m., according to the company's estimates."
No one votes for any single item.When we vote we vote for the person
who will best represent ALL of our interests.The lamestream media
will be sadly mistaken if they believe ALL of the soon-to-be voters will be
voting against the second amendment.As far as Utah voters go; no
representative, (at least if they REALLY want to be re-elected)will be
encouraging any form of gun control in their platforms.They
WON'T be elected if they do!
God given rights are found in religious texts, not secular governing
documents.It is fundamentally against our civil rights to claim
divine purpose in the Constitution or our body of law. Otherwise, we are a
theocracy. Like almost any Islamic majority country.Why is that so
hard to understand?
"No one has a "right" to vote to end my God given rights"The second amendment, I presume. First off, it's an amendment. Second,
god had nothing to do with it. Claiming so gives it no extra creedence, and
there's a good chance god is a manmade myth. Not only that, but no one is
wanting to take away your rights. We can have gun control in context of the
second amendment. You can be equipped to defend yourself, and have the right to
bear arms, and still not own a semi automatic rifle. There is no Utopia to
be found on earth, but the alternative need not be a firearm free for all.
@dn subscriberHow are these kids being manipulated by the left? I
can tell you no one under 40 watches the “liberal” media.These kids want solutions and it is up to gun owners to come up with the
solutions otherwise things will be changed as they get older.
Bloodhound is so far off base onthe real intent of those who want to control
semi automatic guns. I suspect he is relying on the NRA's dictum that
talking about regulating any gun is akin to regulating all guns. Reasonable
people understand the difference between a back groud check at a gun dealer
business and No background check at a gun show. If the writer doesn't
understand this difference then he doesn't want to understand.
No one has a "right" to vote to end my God given rights. People have a
right to defend themselves. Demonizing guns doesn't end that right. In the
past, those promising a Utopia if people only gave up their rights normally
delivered a hell on earth for those gullible enough to follow. There is NO
utopia to be found in this world.
There's a lot of 'dis' in the response of government and media to
the students and young people's efforts. As in discourage, dissuade,
dismiss, disparage, dislike, dispute, and so on. It's as if to tell
them "Run along; you've had your time on the stage. Now it's back
to business as usual". But they know what business as usual will get
them. More of more of the same. It's true, sometimes things take a lot of
work and change is incremental. But, rather than dwelling on the negative
(it's hard to do, do you really want to try to do it?) I think we should
show more encouragement. It may be hard to implement change, but it's worth
it. Your persistence will pay off. Sometimes, change is incremental. On the
other hand, remember too that the people of the former Soviet bloc countries
reorganised Eastern Europe entirely in a matter of months, largely peacefully.
In the end, progress, be it incremental or monumental, is worth the
The arc of social justice bends ever toward liberal notions. ML King noted
that. But, oh, does it move slower these days.The country still has
not fully dealt with the stain of black slavery. People of color are still
considered lessers amongst a great many European ancestored Americans. In fact,
this base mentality consistutes a significant voting majority in the governing
GOP constituency.It will take decades to remove the stain of gun
massacres by domestic terrorists in this country. And like slavery, all to
protect what was written into our original governing documents which seem so
hard to change.IMO, we fossils ought to stand back and let the
youth, or at least a younger generation(s) take charge. It is their world and
country to inherit otherwise. We messed things up but good, let our children
and grandchildren clean up our damage. Please, Please.
@ Yuge Opportunity Here "And who are the protesters at the march? In DC,
there were 200,00, but only about 15% were actually students. " Nice
try. 800,000 on Saturday and 200,000 on SundayThe crowd, regardless of
their makeup , was greater than Donald Trump's coronation
Yuge.."So I ask, is it a genuine movement...or Astroturf, Jr?"Only time will tell, but my guess is this is not just a student movement but a
more genuine movement of younger adults with their lives in front of them.The good news about this article is that it actually posts a true
conservative process. Gradualism is conservatism. Conservatism does not oppose
change just revolution. What history has taught us however is that
change only occurs as a tension between revolution and gradualism. Change by
increments is never a successful strategy, it's only an acceptable outcome.
BTW if libs were smart they would use this same tension as a way to
enact social policy changes that don't destroy existential programs but
instead enact acceptable reforms even liberal reforms when then power is there.
Think of the policy tensions between a Bernie Sanders, and a Ted Cruz.
"The kids" are not the ones calling the shots or making the demands,
they are merely being used by the usual suspects on the left to execute a
pre-planned agenda to attack gun rights. "Never let a crisis go to
waste" is in play here, along with the very well thought out and prepared
plans funded by Bloomberg and his ilk. With the "kids" as the visual
image of the protest, they were able to get additional funding from various
leftist donors and celebrities. Sadly, much of what they are
demanding will not deter school violence, the ostensible goal, but will just
disarm law abiding citizens. Much of what they are spouting to support their
demands is either false or misleading.No one is "for school
violence" but no one should give in to demands from "children"
(under 21 after all) whose facts are flawed, and whose actions are choreographed
by people with a much broader agenda, not just on guns, but all the usual
leftist causes.These kids are not bad, just manipulated, so
"Forgive them, they know not what they do."The problems are
real, but their demands are not the solutions needed. It's the evil and
crazy people, not the guns.
Incremental steps translates to "thoughts and prayers" and the body
count increases incrementally. What a cheap article. YThe author sells out the
hard work of our young high school students that braved the
"incremental" approach for a do it now approach. When a bullet strikes
down one of your young will you stay the Incremental course? Trump says arm the
teachers. I say arm the students. Most of them can shoot straighter than the
But, is it really a grassroots movement? The walkouts are easy. Who doesn't
want to get out of class in the middle of the day?The media,
including this newspaper, is focusing on a handful of students (like a
hand-picked focus group of 40 kids) and attempting to apply it to a generation.
But how many kids care deeply about this issue?And who are the
protesters at the march? In DC, there were 200,00, but only about 15% were
actually students. About 50% were the Resistance Regulars, who have been
protesting Trump since he won the election. Same folks; different take.
They'll be back in a couple of months with pink hats or picket signs.Then there is good, old politics. Both parties are rushing to the
parade, because 75% of these kids will be eligible to vote in 2020. EVERYBODY
wants to be seen as their best friends.So I ask, is it a genuine
movement...or Astroturf, Jr?