Utah governor vows to 'actively oppose' medical marijuana ballot initiative

Initiative supporters say governor's argument 'has no basis in truth'

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  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    May 13, 2018 12:26 a.m.

    Guv, just hope that you never get a really ugly case of cancer with treatment that makes you sicker than the cancer.

  • Thomas Jefferson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 2, 2018 8:23 a.m.

    kaysvillecougar says:

    "@ Hunt, I agree. It would be nice if more adults acted like adults, specifically pot smokers. Wouldn't it be great if people would choose to not get high to deal with their problems. The problem with the "ah shucks, let adults be adults" argument is that children see what adults do and say, "I want to be big and mature and smoke pot." Maybe a less selfish approach, looking toward and nurturing the coming generation would be an adult approach to life."

    I feel the same about religion. But then freedom means allowing others to do as they choose and not as YOU choose.

    Also you dont sound like a doctor. I dont believe you.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 1, 2018 1:27 p.m.

    @omniscient
    RE: "Wouldn't it be great if people would choose to not get high to deal with their problems.
    You mean problems like chronic pain, seizures, chemotherapy, multiple sclerosis, PTSD, etc?"...
    ---
    Not what I was talking about. I clearly said people who want MJ for "Recreational" use.

    Chronic pain, seizures, chemotherapy, etc... is not "Recreational-Use".

    "Medical" and "Recreational" use are different in my mind.

    ==

    @squirrel
    RE: "@2 bits, Perhaps we can put opinionated accusations aside"...
    ---
    This is the "Opinion" section

    RE: "Offer up a legitimate reason for mj to be illegal"...
    ---
    I Did.

    NIDA research.

    Google "is marijuana habit forming" and read the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) findings.

    It's an eye-opener for those who deny it's addictive, or harmful in any way.

  • Not a Liberal Washington, UT
    March 31, 2018 5:33 p.m.

    There have been quite a few studies that have shown that Marijuana is useful for conditions for which there is no other substitute. There are also many conditions for which marijuana is more effective than commercial pharmaceuticals. It has proved very effective in treating conditions such as loss of appetite, depression, anxiety, insomnia, pain management, etc..

    Colorado's opiate usage dropped following marijuana legalization in that state. Lower opiate usage means fewer overdose deaths. As time goes by more people are being treated for pain management using marijuana instead of opiates. We can expect to see overdose deaths decline even further.

    Marijuana is considerably less expensive than alternatives offered by big pharma. Big pharma would rapidly lose billions per year if marijuana were to be legalized for medical usage. I'm sure that you would be astounded by the amount of money big pharma pays to lobbyists to prevent legalization. The same goes for the revenue loss alcohol producing companies would have.

    No wonder there is so much resistance to any form of marijuana legalization !!!

  • Lib on Planet Zion Salt Lake City, UT
    March 31, 2018 12:45 p.m.

    kaysville-

    “It's our modern version of the snake oil salesman..”

    Life in Kaysville is apparently ignorantly blissful. Hopefully one will step foot outside of it at some point. If one was able to supply cited, credible source material rather the regurgitation of unfound, low information talking points this would assist their cause tremendously. Furthermore. My father had 30+ year career in the D.O.J/F.B.I. Witnessed the relief he expierenced from marijuana during his battle with cancer. Rather having others or any orginization make your decision possibly think for yourself. Begin with obtaining factual information.

    “Yes, some of the self proclaimed Ivy leaguers and others on this board are not being honest about the known..”

    Deep yawn! Tell yourself whatever helps you sleep at night. Possibly question the “self proclaimed patriots” and those that support the utter embarassment some call president rather the intellect of “Ivy Leaguers” and those that possess firsthand expierence.

    “Now, if rescheduling the drug so it can be studied..”

    How is this possible since the federal government will not allow such studies? Possibly obtain factual information prior to posting.

  • kolob1 Sandy, UT
    March 31, 2018 9:55 a.m.

    Those that claim the medical marijuana is a first step towards drug use then what is milk ? The first step towards alcoholism?

  • kolob1 Sandy, UT
    March 31, 2018 9:42 a.m.

    "Gov. Gary Herbert on Thursday said he formally opposes the ballot initiative campaign seeking to broadly legalize the medical use of marijuana in Utah." Let's stop right there! , Governor Herbert opposes ballot initiatives period ! He and the rest of the legislature hate initiatives because it is doing their job. Under the Utah Republican tutelege citizens are not supposed to think or act for themselves, Just push the R button and keep quiet. Besides the legislature has spoken (HB 220) . Utah is not a Democracy (their actual words). It is a compound constitutional Republic and as such the citizen must step aside and let the legislators legislate without interferenc from a citizen. In Utah , like in Utah Churches, obedience is demanded and is legislated.

  • kaysvillecougar KAYSVILLE, UT
    March 30, 2018 3:23 p.m.

    omni scent, yes you and many others claim that marijuana is the cure for everything that ails society. It's our modern version of the snake oil salesman, except the snake oil didn't contain carcinogens or increase schizophrenia and other mental health problems in adolescents. Yes, some of the self proclaimed Ivy leaguers and others on this board are not being honest about the known harm of marijuana. Now, if rescheduling the drug so it can be studied in different forms for different purposes is proposed, I'm in favor of that. This knee jerk, legalize pot frenzy is all emotion and very little science.

  • A Guy With A Brain Enid, OK
    March 30, 2018 3:15 p.m.

    "Medical" marijuana is a slippery slope.

    What's "medical" and what's not?

    In the end, I think this does far more harm than good.

  • kaysvillecougar KAYSVILLE, UT
    March 30, 2018 2:19 p.m.

    WJ, you must run in some impressive medical circles. 8 out of 8 physicians you've talked to wish they could "prescribe" weed? I'm a physician and I've never wanted to "prescribe" weed and I've never met a colleague who did. To prescribe a drug, you would need to have a consistent concentration of the drug. There's tremendous variation in these products. Please don't loop us into your drug lifestyle. We want no part of it. I would suggest finding good hobbies that give you a natural high such as hiking, biking, etc. I appreciate the thoughtful approach of the Utah Medical Association who currently opposes this emotion and poorly thought out push to legalize weed.

  • omni scent taylorsville, UT
    March 30, 2018 2:19 p.m.

    kaysvillecougar: "Wouldn't it be great if people would choose to not get high to deal with their problems."

    you mean problems like chronic pain, seizures, chemotherapy, multiple sclerosis, PTSD, etc?

  • kaysvillecougar KAYSVILLE, UT
    March 30, 2018 2:10 p.m.

    "It's amazing what happens when the powers that be allow adults to act like adults"
    @ Hunt, I agree. It would be nice if more adults acted like adults, specifically pot smokers. Wouldn't it be great if people would choose to not get high to deal with their problems. The problem with the "ah shucks, let adults be adults" argument is that children see what adults do and say, "I want to be big and mature and smoke pot." Maybe a less selfish approach, looking toward and nurturing the coming generation would be an adult approach to life.

  • Lia Sandy, UT
    March 30, 2018 2:09 p.m.

    Gee-en

    You are as uninformed about this as the governor is.
    You are just spewing stuff your equally uninformed peers tell you.

    Like Lib posted, I have a Ph. D and MBA...from Hofstra and Stanford, respectively.
    I need the herb for a series of equestrian-related injuries.

    I researched it, and it works. I use it.

  • Lib Living on Planet Zion SLC, UT
    March 30, 2018 1:44 p.m.

    gee-en-

    “LOL at all the potheads that think they are so educated and smart on a subject because they "researched" a topic by reading at get high dot com”.

    “LOL”! Currently there are two Ivy League degrees hanging on the wall in my office. Yourself? This “pothead” most definitely believes he is “so educated and smart” due to the fact I think for myself rather knowingly passing along propaganda as factual information such as an “overdose from marijuana” and 99.999% of the low information rhetoric found throughout your post.

  • Lib on Planet Zion Salt Lake City, UT
    March 30, 2018 1:43 p.m.

    gee-en-

    “LOL at all the potheads that think they are so educated and smart on a subject because they "researched" a topic by reading at get high dot com”.

    “LOL”! Currently there are two Ivy League degrees hanging on the wall in my office. Yourself? This “pothead” most definitely believes he is “so educated and smart” due to the fact I think for myself rather knowingly passing along propaganda as factual information such as an “overdose from marijuana” and 99.999% of the low information rhetoric found throughout your post.

  • Liberal On Planet Zion SLC, UT
    March 30, 2018 1:42 p.m.

    gee-en-

    “LOL at all the potheads that think they are so educated and smart on a subject because they "researched" a topic by reading at get high dot com”.

    “LOL”! Currently there are two Ivy League degrees hanging on the wall in my office. Yourself? This “pothead” most definitely believes he is “so educated and smart” due to the fact I think for myself rather knowingly passing along propaganda as factual information such as an “overdose from marijuana” and 99.999% of the low information rhetoric found throughout your post.

  • squirrel whisperer Lehi, UT
    March 30, 2018 1:36 p.m.

    @2 bits

    Perhaps we can put opinionated accusations aside, like needing professional help because a person chooses to temporarily tweak their consciousness, and maybe offer up a legitimate reason for mj to be illegal?
    I would also ask why it would be considered 'sending the wrong message to our Youth'? Wouldn't ingraining in them the 'land of the free', but at the same time supporting policies that result in victimless crime and lead to the largest prison population in the world, be more of a wrong message to send? I certainly think so. The same with keeping them ill-informed or outright ignorant.
    Another byproduct of our current policies is that it is typically easier for a juvenile to obtain illegal substances than legal ones. Dealers don't care who they sell to.

  • WJDad West Jordan, UT
    March 30, 2018 1:03 p.m.

    I wonder why the Utah Medical Association opposes medical marijuana when every doctor I've asked about it (8 out of 8 so far) has told me that they wish that they could legally prescribe it.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 30, 2018 12:55 p.m.

    I don't get why Marijuana fans are so passionate about it.

    I get why people who Need it (for medical use) want it. But I don't get the people who push so hard for recreational use. And if you don't know that's coming next... let me give you a clue. It has everywhere else.

    Medical use is just a "First Step" for the real fans. They know they are going to push for recreational use also. No doubt about it. Ask them.

    Those rec-use fans are the people I don't get. If Life (I mean REAL life, not life on drugs) is not real enough for you, or fun enough for you... then you probably have some real problems in your life that living on recreational drugs isn't going to fix (long term). You would be better served by seeing a professional, and getting a real treatment plan for your problem. Not just recreational drugs.

    I'm fine with medical use (if doctors don't just give out prescriptions like candy, like in other States). I'm not for Rec-use. But if we get that too... I'm OK with that. It sends the wrong message to our Youth, but hey, we're all adults. We all make good adult decisions... right?

    Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's OK (as with everything)

  • Liberal On Planet Zion SLC, UT
    March 30, 2018 12:50 p.m.

    This is exactly the type of low information propaganda citizens will hear from a governor without possession of a college degree!

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    March 30, 2018 12:49 p.m.

    @gee-en - Salt Lake City, UT

    Starting out your post with a personal attack by calling those you disagree with "Potheads" is no way to convince anyone of anything.

    Furthermore, citing facts from "actual medical journals and actual medical studies..." that you fail to cite further weakens your stance and calls into question how much you actually know about the topic.

    It all strikes me as someone who "researched" a topic by reading various anti pot head dot coms in an effort to back up an opinion they formed in ignorance before ever studying the real facts.

  • ConservativeCommonTater West Valley City, UT
    March 30, 2018 12:40 p.m.

    Sanefan - Wellsville, UT
    March 29, 2018 6:57 p.m.
    The medical marijuana legalization is a ruse for recreational use. In States where they have it, ANYONE can get a script, even if you are from out of State. You can always use that GOOGLE thing and see what Arizona and Colorado say about medical weed.

    You are wrong about "out of staters" being able to buy medical marijuana. In states with recreational use it doesn't make a difference except maybe for price or quantity purchased each day or week.

    ALSO, do you really want to make criminals out of people using weed for recreational purposes?

    Many LDS people use weed for their maladies. Senator Madsen, who proposed medical use a few years ago, had excruciating back pain and skipped past the teachings of the LDS Corp and bought some in Colorado. It cured his pain. That made him a criminal in Utah.

    In 2009 (the last time I looked at stats) there were 750,000 people incarcerated for using weed. The social costs of "morality" is staggering.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    March 30, 2018 12:38 p.m.

    If anyone doubts the palliative and medicinal effects of cannabis, Google Enedina Stanger. She is a devout Latter-day Saint wife and mother who is confined to a wheelchair because she suffers from Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome, a potentially fatal disease that attacks connective tissues to skin, bones and blood vessels (allowing her joints to dislocate at frequent intervals). The only thing that relieves her pain and stops the dislocation is marijuana. She and her husband had to move from Utah to Colorado so she could get the medical care and prescriptions she needs. She would really like to come home to Utah, but can't under the current laws. (Both of her daughters have the same disease -- she doesn't want them to have to go through what she's suffered because of this disease).

  • Doom Turtle SLC/SLC, UT
    March 30, 2018 12:31 p.m.

    The governor should respect the will of the citizens of Utah.

    An overwhelming majority of the populace are in favor of the legalization of marijuana for medical use. The right of the opposing minority will not be infringed upon if the unfortunate among us are allowed to use a natural remedy, which many find is the only thing that helps them. It is unfortunate that he is choosing to be a "big-government" supporter and attempt to quash the people.

    I am a physician and pay attention to this issue and see how it has progressed in other states and countries. It is clear that the benefits to patients are many and the risks are low and manageable. Utah could see many lives saved as other states have already related to reduced opiate useage.

  • ExDixieIte Salt Lake City, UT
    March 30, 2018 12:25 p.m.

    If the Governor thinks that medical marijuana will "open the door" to recreational use he is extremely naive. That door opened years ago and isn't closing any time soon. If someone wants marijuana, it's available and not that hard to find.

  • omni scent taylorsville, UT
    March 30, 2018 12:10 p.m.

    Funny how some think that something that was designed and built in recent history for the purpose of killing is a "God given right", but a natural herb that was created by God, and could be used for the constitution, nature, or use of man as a remedy should be outlawed.

  • ConradGurch Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 30, 2018 11:25 a.m.

    I just think it is funny how our legislators act like they are so concerned about canibus, (its a harmful drug, we need more research etc.) when Alcohol & Opioids are legal and can be easily purchased. We know that those two are extremely harmful yet they turn a def ear and a blind eye.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    March 30, 2018 11:14 a.m.

    The governor just needs to keep in mind that, despite his obstinance, people who want to are simply going to actively ignore whatever laws and prohibitions are in place.
    Have a great Easter.

  • I.M. Fletch Salt Lake City, UT
    March 30, 2018 11:00 a.m.

    I think it is reasonable to weigh the benefits and risks of legalizing a drug. Personally, I would prefer that the Legislature and the Governor thoughtfully weigh those benefits and risk and construct legislation to move the ball forward.

    However, for whatever reason, both the Legislature and the Governor seem to be locked into a mentality concisely expressed by the Governor: "I will actively oppose... medical cannabis," which doesn't really move the ball forward. In particular, by not offering up any specific criticisms on how the law should look and how that differs from the current proposal, the Governor, and more generally the Legislature, is not thoughtfully "weighing the benefits and risks."

  • gee-en Salt Lake City, UT
    March 30, 2018 10:49 a.m.

    LOL at all the potheads that think they are so educated and smart on a subject because they "researched" a topic by reading at get high dot com.
    The truth is that there are many negative side effects of cannabis, you just have to read actual medical journals and actual medical studies. Actual medical studies have over and over shown that cannabis causes increased cognitive impairment, psychosis, schizophrenia, lung damage and other carconigens (when smoked), affects unborn babies, is addictive, associated with other much harder drug use.
    Places such as Colorado have seen increases in emergency room visits by teens and small children that have overdosed on cannabis.
    There is much more than what I have written here, but I don't know why people ignore so many of the actual facts about cannabis.

  • james d. morrison Sandy, UT
    March 30, 2018 10:27 a.m.

    Then he should also ban the use of medical heroin, aka oxy, for consistency's sake.

  • Lia Sandy, UT
    March 30, 2018 10:25 a.m.

    He doesn't get it.
    Pot smokers are going to find and smoke pot--with or without his naivete

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    March 30, 2018 10:21 a.m.

    I'm confused as to why many are so against medical and/or recreational use of Marijuana. The results speak for themselves. The sky is not falling nor is hell being unleashed on states such as Washington, Portland, Colorado, and California where medical and recreational use has been legalized. It's amazing what happens when the powers that be allow adults to act like adults and cease to play the roll of big brother.

    Furthermore, it is a sham perpetrated on the people of Utah to use the tired old argument of "We need more studies!". Anyone that makes this argument is either ignorant or disingenuous.

    Being a Section 1 drug, studies in the United States are not legally possible. Thank goodness that outside the United States hundreds of legitimate, scientific studies have already been done. Problem solved. No excuses.

  • dordrecht Salt Lake City, UT
    March 30, 2018 10:02 a.m.

    I believe, Governor, that your lack of education is showing. Perhaps in the near future, you or your family may need medical marijuana. Then you'll change your tune.

  • Thomas Jefferson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 30, 2018 9:47 a.m.

    "Colorado has huge problems with Rec marijuana."
    No, it doesnt. It has a problem with puritans with a Nancy Reagan understanding of MJ thinking that it has a problem with it.

    The fact is that MJ should be legal. It should be none of the governments business what plants I grow in my garden. That is the conservative postion.
    Small government conservatives rarely actually are for small government. Thats just the story they tell the voters.

  • UtahTroutStalker Draper, UT
    March 30, 2018 9:04 a.m.

    I know LDS members who have served as leaders in their Wards, send their sons/daughters on missions, and pay their tithes who are now using medical marijuana purchased out of state to assist them in getting off of Opioids.

    We live in a democracy, the people's voice should be heard. You can teach and preach what you want at church but do not impose your beliefs on others who are suffering. People should have free agency to make decisions for themselves and be accountable to the God they worship without Government interference.

    Legalize it!

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    March 30, 2018 8:52 a.m.

    Give us the weed, Guvnuh!

    Time is up!

  • squirrel whisperer Lehi, UT
    March 30, 2018 8:48 a.m.

    Tens of thousands of people die every year from drug overdose, largely from legal prescription drugs. Total number of overdose deaths from mj ever...0 and there is no evidence that underage usage has increased in states that have legalized.

    I do agree with Herbert that allowing medical will potentially lead to recreational. Why? Because people ultimately concede that there is no reason to be frightened. There is now over a decade's worth of medical and real-world social testing, so to still be demonizing at this point is rather silly.

    Besides any of that though, can anyone give me a legitimate reason as to why I should be restricted from using? Shouldn't restricting what I may or may not do be based in some sort of reason? C'mon, shouldn't you so-called small government personal freedom types be demanding an explanation for restrictions?

  • ConservativeCommonTater West Valley City, UT
    March 30, 2018 8:25 a.m.

    "The governor said in a prepared statement that he believes the initiative "will do more harm than good."

    It has been obvious that he will follow the "suggestions" from his church.

    Both the Guv and the LDS Corp are saying there isn't enough information available to make an informed decision.

    Well, how many states and countries have medical and/or recreational marijuana? Isn't the research from all those sources enough to make an informed decision?

    But then, it's hard to make an informed decision if you've already made the decision.

    It's best to reject it and subject hundreds of thousands of Utahns and Vets from getting relief than to allow medical treatment that masks their condition or turn them into drug addicts because big Pharma drugs are "better."

  • Wyomex Burlington, WY
    March 30, 2018 8:15 a.m.

    Medical marijuana? A no brainer.

    Recreational marijuana? Well . . . alcohol use costs far more to society in terms of lives lost, families ruined and property destroyed than marijuana. But, its "recreational" use is legal and marijuana's is not. Turn the legalities around (we learned our lesson with prohibition, though, didn't we, so this won’t work) or be consistent in the logic of recreational use of both across the board.

    Just because something is legal doesn't make it right. Teaching correct principles will do far more to counter society’s ills than any laws making something legal or illegal. We need far fewer laws and much better teaching.

    Governor Herbert: my demographic: 61 years old, white male, active in predominant religion and political party and never used either alcohol or marijuana in my life.

  • ConradGurch Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 30, 2018 8:14 a.m.

    TO: 3grandslams - Eagle Mountain, UT

    Where'd you get your information?

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    March 30, 2018 7:55 a.m.

    ""While we appreciate the governor weighing in on medical cannabis, his comments are another example of what Utahns have grown tired of: politicians standing between patients in their physicians," Schanz said. "Saying the most conservatively drafted initiative in the entire country would 'potentially' open the door for recreational use is a scare tactic that has no basis in truth."

    " basis in truth" or "what the people want" usually have nothing to do with what the Legislature or Governor want to do.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    March 30, 2018 7:17 a.m.

    The potential is there for pharmaceutical products. We use alcohol for purposes other than drinking. Marijuana has known beneficial effects. Let the labs test it. Let biochemists see what can be derived from the plant. Banning recreational pot smoking is one thing. Ignoring potential beneficial medicines is another.

  • 3grandslams Eagle Mountain, UT
    March 30, 2018 6:05 a.m.

    Herbert’s reasoning has all the basis in the world. It’s the same path that has been followed in every state that now has Rec marijuana. He’s watched other states and European countries.

    I support his decision. Colorado has huge problems with Rec marijuana. Children will have a chance in Utah.

  • canyonprophet69 provo, UT
    March 30, 2018 3:26 a.m.

    You're welcome to take your turn to opine, governor, but because the people have grown weary of stonewalling, it is time to bring you down to the level where your single vote carries the same weight as our own individual single vote. It is time for logic to prevail.

  • Kolob64 Ogden, UT
    March 30, 2018 12:15 a.m.

    I used to think the way Gary Herbert does until I knew family and friends in other states who benefited from medical marijuana and are far too conservative to consider illegal use. One went off 9 prescriptions. Only one prescription was for her illness, the other 8 were for side effects of the first drug.
    The initiative does not allow smoking and other conservative states are still medical only like Arizona and Ohio. We are not California.
    Our biggest problem is opioid addiction and states with medical marijuana have seen their opioid deaths drop.
    Herbert's bill only extended relief to people who are dying.
    The late great John Huntsman said he would have used it if it were legal, instead he suffered in pain because opioids have such terrible side effects.
    It is sad that ignorance is leading people to lose common sense.

  • Utah_Happyman Orem, UT
    March 29, 2018 11:44 p.m.

    We the people will prevail...Governor you only have one vote too.

  • Susan Quinton Draper, UT
    March 29, 2018 11:00 p.m.

    I would agree with him if opioids, antibiotics, vaccines, and even common OTC drugs had gone through a well-established and rigorous process to prove effectiveness and safety. As it is, those are quickly pushed through and marijuana, with years of international and nationwide studies and research, is vilified. Sigh.

  • I.M. Fletch Salt Lake City, UT
    March 29, 2018 8:13 p.m.

    I get Sanefan's concern. Take a trip to southern California and you can see nod-nod, wink-wink, Dr's offices near every beach. Despite that, I believe that the notion of medical marijuana itself is not a ruse. Without question it possesses several pharmacological properties. And, the proposal here in Utah is far stricter than what they did in California or we've seen in any other state. I'm generally a fan of Herbert, but his wait-and-see approach here on medical marijuana is disappointing.

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    March 29, 2018 6:57 p.m.

    The medical marijuana legalization is a ruse for recreational use. In States where they have it, ANYONE can get a script, even if you are from out of State. Pretending otherwise is being completely disingenuous or just outright lying.

  • ihike2 , 00
    March 29, 2018 6:53 p.m.

    With all due respect Governor, I think you are making a major mistake and showing a lack of empathy towards people who can legitimately be helped.