Findings reveal a morally fractured America where honesty is not one-size-fits-all.
Interesting article with lots of good information. I do have a different take on
ethics than the comments by Sharon Stoll. “It’s not that easy to be
honest.” True enough but once an individual makes it part of their
character and practices honesty it becomes more of a routine to be honest as
virtue ethics theory suggests. “A rigid code of complete honesty will make
you an individual nobody wants to be around.” Ethical people are honest
because it is the right thing to do not for any reward including to be liked by
others. Virtue is its own reward. As for white lies, ethics is not like a faucet
we can turn on and off at a whim. It requires consistent behavior otherwise when
we pick and choose when to be ethical: we create moral relativism where each
person decides when to lie. This presents a problem of trust in society.
@Thid;Maybe you need a dictionary. A lie is an untruth whether or
not you agree with it.
For those of you who need a translation of this article: A "lie" is
truth that YOU don't agree with!
I read the article and the comments here. I have to say, this is one of the more
thoughtful discussions I've read and I've gained insight into some
commenters that I disagree with 99% of the time and is actually positive and
helpful. The survey demonstrates the obvious disconnect between what
groups of people, i.e. Evangelicals, say and what they do. They say that lying
isn't okay, and yet voted for Mr. Trump who has the reputation for being an
habitual liar, as documented by so many people who deal with him regularly. The United States is an ideal, and I hate to see that changing, but it
is. Our republic is in trouble and lying doesn't help. We need the best
people we can find to keep our country thriving, and we don't have that in
Donald Trump, I'm truly sorry to say, so we need to find someone else who
For too many years we heard the lies of Obama.
Sad! More than white lies are being excepted:* America has
excepted theft when politicians can forcefully take money from working people
and give it to others.* Many folks feel it's ok having others
paying to feed their children at school.* Many of our citizens born
out of wedlock.* Permissiveness and porn excepted from television,
theaters, music, and computers.
"But we're not all lying at the same rate. The more religious people
are, the less likely they are to believe lying is acceptable across a spectrum
of scenarios."The second sentence above says nothing at all
about the rate at which religious people lie.
The problem with lying, as I've seen it first hand in a family
relationship, is - if lying is a way of life, it then becomes very difficult to
see the truth.
Americans are more prone to believe lies because they are desperate. They
accept the lies of Trump because they are desperate for a savior. And why are
they so desperate? Because social power has gravitated to the top 1% along with
their wealth. Money is social power. As the top 1% have increased their share
of wealth, they have also acquired increased social power which they wield
widely, off shoring, automating, destroying the lives of the rank and file. So
of course the desperate rank and file will believe a charismatic showman like
Trump. I have many old high school friends who have done so.
Amendment VIIn all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the
right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the stateConservatives say the FBI is corrupt; I say the whole "impartial jury of
the state" concept is corrupt.If the "Jury" of the House
Intelligence Committee votes down party lines, given the same facts about Trump.
If the "Jury" of the Supreme Court votes down party lines given
the same US Constitution. The federal/Florida's AG choose to be
guests of conservative media, shows they are partial from fairness. Yet members of the House Intelligence Committee, the Supreme Court, and AGs
say the oath to the same US Constitution. As a result of our
partisan politics, the 6th Amendment no longer gives the rights to an impartial
jury, including those who still support Trump given all the facts. Our society
has lost all moral compasses to be fair. You might as well rip the whole
Constitution. Without this guiding Document to do what's right,
we might as well become like Syria. They too have no guiding light to do
America has lost some serious moral code. Hence, why we tolerate the corruption
and fraud in Washington, local governments, in business, and in many of the
things people do to each other. We have too many adults that believe in winning
and gain at all costs and are role modeling that for younger generations.
Protestents and Mormon "say" they dont agree that any lying is Ok.
Saying is not Doing.Pretty crazy survey to compare taking a tax
deduction that you dont have a reciept for or truly qualify for against lying to
a spouse about an sexual affair. Wow, maybe my rationalization clock is really
out of sync with everyone else.
@Thid BarkerBut your response to seeing Democrats have a double standard
is to justify your own. You continually post on anything critical of
Republicans, particularly the president comments by pointing our Democrats
acting badly.Who cares?!? I'm not voting for them! I'm a
values voter, I'm not voting for them. What I'm getting at is
you're excusing the President because Democrats did it too. That's
the definition of hypocritical! You are letting their bad behavior set your
expectations instead of standing by principle.“My country,
right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set
right.” doesn't mean going along with whatever happens. It means that
when there's a problem in our nation, we should make a concerted effort to
correct it. The rampant dishonesty in our politics is a huge issue. Saying,
"he did it first" doesn't fix anything.
It's very fitting that you would put on your home page a picture of Donald
Trump over the caption about Republicans accepting lying. He is by far the most
duplicitous man to hold the office in recent memory. Bill Clinton lied about his
personal behavior but Trump stretches the truth about anything and everything
with which he doesn't agree. And it is disheartening to me that
Republicans, including members of the LDS Church, are compromising their
principles in the name of political expediency. I am not a "dooms-dayer"
but I see this as a sign of the times.
bass679: You will have to excuse me, I just get a little tired of the double
standard! Nobody voted for Donald Trump because he didn't have flaws! Its
just that the alternative was not flawless either! When the Democrats run a
perfect person, I will vote for him/her! Until then, I just remember what Jesus
taught. "First cast out the beam from your eye, and then you will see
clearly to cast out the splinter from the eye of your brother." I think He
meant we should not judge and always forgive others their flaws because we ALL
have them! I didn't vote for President Trump, but because I love my
country, we need him to succeed and not try to destroy him! That's all I
have to say about that!
@Thid BarkerTwo wrongs don't make a right. Excusing behavior
because the other guy does it too is just a heinous. And if you're trying
to claim any sort of moral high ground it's also the very definition of
hypocrisy. I get it's easier to give a snippy one liner than
address the issue but it doesn't fix anything and it most certainly
isn't winning in any sense of the word.
When Democrats tell me how much Republicans lie, all I hear in my mind is,
"It depends on what is, is"!
"Vice is a monster of so frightful mienAs to be hated needs but to be
seen;Yet seen too oft, familiar with her face,We first endure, then
pity, then embrace."-Alexander Pope
I'm guessing many people lied on this survey. Based on what we see
happening and what they say they believe.