Poll: Are the Ten Commandments still relevant today? Americans and Brits differ, and millennials stand out

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  • G L W8 SPRINGVILLE, UT
    April 1, 2018 8:29 a.m.

    @Tyler D= "You raise interesting points that sadly are not conducive to real, good faith discussion on this forum (200 word limits, etc.)."

    That's something we all need to keep in mind. Like many other things in life, public forums have their trade-offs.

    When growing up, the phrase "keep this within the family" was sometimes used. One reason was that some discussions or incidents lend themselves too quickly to gossip and judgmental overtones.

    As far as the Ten Commandments are concerned, some of the points made here are insightful and thought-provoking. Others need some work.

    Readers can sort through and decide for themselves which is which. But we all can be careful to be reasonable and objective in our public comments--or their interpretations.

  • Nickel-clad Peach Springs, AZ
    March 30, 2018 12:44 p.m.

    The question is not whether they are relevant to us, the question is whether they are relevant to God. He gave them to us for a purpose. They are the building blocks to a civil society. HE knows they are 100% revelant and therefore vital to us. The fact that we are disregarding them is a big reason for our social breakdown

  • CMTM , 00
    March 30, 2018 9:17 a.m.

    RE: Morality for faith discussion. Adam & Eve after the fall of man were embarrassed to be seen naked.
    One practical implication of this is that public nudity today is not a return to innocence but rebellion against moral reality.

    God ordains clothes to witness to the glory we have lost, and it is added rebellion to those who take them off in public.

    And for those who rebel in the other direction and make clothes themselves a means of power and prestige and attention getting, God’s answer is not a return to nudity but a return to simplicity (1 Timothy 2:9-10; 1 Peter 3:4-5).
    .

  • Tyler D Prescott, AZ
    March 30, 2018 8:48 a.m.

    @G L W8 – “Moral Relativism is an invention of man”

    Not only that, it is an invention of modern liberal democracy – arguably the most moral societal structure in the history of the world – let the irony of that sink in for a minute.

    But be careful not to confuse objective (moral) truths with absolute truths – we can have one without the other.

    You raise interesting points that sadly are not conducive to real, good faith discussion on this forum (200 word limits, etc.).

  • G L W8 SPRINGVILLE, UT
    March 30, 2018 6:37 a.m.

    Aside from the question of whether there is or isn't a god, one thing's for sure. Moral Relativism is an invention of man--one of mankind's many philosophical approaches to life.
    That brings up the question if there are absolute truths and if so, who created them--taking us right back to the question of the existence of God.
    So, the first two commandments do become relevant--regardless of whether of not we conveniently ignore them in our quest to follow our own ethical pathway--if that's the choice we're making.
    Does a being named Satan deal totally in metaphorical black, a God in white, and mankind in shades of gray? It's a question at the heart of moral relativism that none of us can afford to ignore.

  • Gregory American Fork, UT
    March 29, 2018 1:04 p.m.

    Oh, those darn millennials. Trouble, trouble, trouble. Thank goodness for their willingness to challenge the status quo and the establishment by asking the question: Why?

  • Ranch Here, UT
    March 29, 2018 9:35 a.m.

    @scrappy do;

    What makes you think your god isn't the "false idol" god? Personally, I think your god is just as mythological as all the others.

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    March 29, 2018 6:39 a.m.

    A few observations:

    I have noticed, with some, there is a great downplaying and outright denial of the honor due to father and mother, waxing emotional perhaps about mothers (not the same thing as honoring) and not respecting fathers much if not blatantly disrespecting. Yet this commandment stands at the head of the six that have to do with our relationship with our 'neighbors'.

    Gossip, it appears to me, is a breach of the commandment not to bear false witness against a neighbor, a 'secret combination' of cowardly backstabbers looking for iniquity, which is how I see gossips.

    Idolatry of material wealth is very common; worship of Mammon rather than God (you can't worship both).

  • CMTM , 00
    March 28, 2018 3:00 p.m.

    Tyler D. RE: Are the Ten Commandments still relevant today?

    ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.This is the first and greatest commandment.
    And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself’(Mt 22:37-39).

    Take the Love your neighbor as yourself test, Where you see *Love, insert your name and see .
    *Love is patient and kind;*love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It((Love)does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrong doing, but rejoices with the truth. *Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. * Love never fails. —1 Cor 13:4-8) .

    Love(Agape) is described in 1 Cor 13. The Greek word agape is often translated “love” in the N. T.. “Agape love” is different from other types of love?

    Agape love involves faithfulness, commitment, and an act of the will. It is distinguished from the other types of love by its lofty moral nature and strong character.

  • JBs Logan, UT
    March 28, 2018 2:50 p.m.

    And yet some people are not concerned with the situation in which our country finds itself with our leader. There is a fundamental disconnect somewhere. I guess it's okay for some people to lie and not others. Ridiculous.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    March 28, 2018 12:31 p.m.

    Which 10 commandments? Seems like most believers pick and chose which are important.
    With the actions and words of so called evangelical leaders, most rational people don't want to mimic them. Evangelicals, and their supporters are probably doing more to turn younger people away from christianity than to spread the gospel.

  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    March 28, 2018 10:18 a.m.

    Well we can see where worshipping false idols and kicking god the curb has gotten us and it ain’t pretty

  • Ranch Here, UT
    March 28, 2018 9:51 a.m.

    @Catherine Gardner;

    "And yet all civilised countries laws are based on the ten commandments."

    --- False.

    @patriot;

    "I suspect you will find the answer to that question pretty quickly after death."

    --- Or more likely, not.

  • bass679 Novi, MI
    March 28, 2018 9:13 a.m.

    @dixie Dan
    Bearing false witness is also apparently okay as long as you dislike the other person.

  • EscherEnigma Ridgecrest, CA
    March 28, 2018 9:11 a.m.

    @Catherine Gardner
    There's a difference between "agrees with" and "based on".

    I can have two recipes that both use flour, eggs and butter. Doesn't mean that they're "based on" each other, or the same thing. Just means that among recipes, flour, eggs and butter are pretty common.

  • EscherEnigma Ridgecrest, CA
    March 28, 2018 8:58 a.m.

    Well I'm an atheist†, so I'd say none of them matter. That isn't to say that they aren't sometimes right (murder‡ is wrong for example) but if something is wrong, it's wrong regardless of it's condemnation in the Torah/Bible/Koran/Book of Mormon/etc. and so-on.

    That said, a lot of it comes down to definitions. Are executions murder? Are swingers adulterers? Is sass disrespect? Is "keeping up with the Joneses" coveting?

    So yeah. Things that are (im)moral are (im)moral regardless of whether they're condemned by the Torah/Bible/Koran/Book of Mormon etc. So the condemnation is irrelevant. And beyond that, how you define the "sins" matters a lot too.
    ________
    †Or agnostic, depending on which definitions you're applying and whether folks are knocking on my door before or after I've put pants on.
    ‡To be clear, *killing* isn't always wrong, so the translation matters ("thou shalt not kill" vs. "thou shalt not murder"), and if you use the word murder, then the context of when it's murder vs. when it's justified killing is a big ol' mine-field, so while we both may agree with that "murder is wrong", we may disagree on when a given example is "murder" or not.

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    March 28, 2018 8:50 a.m.

    @patriot,
    It is certainly something to think about, and if not for the hoped rewards after death, then at least for the happiness for the time here on earth.
    Best wishes.

  • Tyler D Prescott, AZ
    March 28, 2018 8:48 a.m.

    @Catherine Gardner – “And yet all civilised countries laws are based on the ten commandments.”

    If you’re talking about the latter half of the commandments – the ones that are actually about morality – all civilized countries base their laws on these moral foundations that were around long before the time of Moses (Moses pretty much borrowed them from the Egyptians – see Laws of Maat – and the Babylonians).

    But if we’re talking about the first four commandments – the theocratic ones that have nothing to do with morality – there are countries that base the laws on them. Saudi Arabia for example. The Taliban were quite fond of them too.

  • Kally Salt Lake City, UT
    March 28, 2018 7:33 a.m.

    Moral relativism runs rampant through many “Christian” communities and congregations. How are we supposed to believe the 10 Commandments matter when so many show us they don’t?

  • Catherine Gardner Hartlepool, 00
    March 28, 2018 7:10 a.m.

    And yet all civilised countries laws are based on the ten commandments.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    March 28, 2018 6:27 a.m.

    Here's a little test about the 10 C's.

    Do you believe Thou Shalt not Covet?
    Do you believe Thou Shalt not Steal?
    Do you believe Thou Shalt not Kill?
    Do you believe the story of the Israelites being "given" Palestine by their god?

    And about bearing false witness, read the comments in the DN on any given day.

    He commands them to not covet, steal or kill, then orders them to covet the land of the Caananites, steal the land from them and kill them all. Disconnect?

    Declining "morality"? You are who you associate with (Trump supporters). Your actions speak far, far louder than your words.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    March 28, 2018 6:09 a.m.

    All of the non-religious commandments are encompassed in the Golden Rule, a rule of thumb with which it appears virtually all humans come equipped. Religion is only required if one wants to adhere to the remaining commandments.

    Also, I think white evangelicals have forfeited their position on moral relativity. They can argue all they want that they believe in absolute truths. They're actions speak louder.

  • Dixie Dan St George, UT
    March 28, 2018 5:55 a.m.

    Apparently the Evangelicals have a different view on Adultery as they are willing to give our President a "mulligan" on his extra marital indiscretions. No mention of Repentance or an apology.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    March 27, 2018 11:32 p.m.

    I suspect you will find the answer to that question pretty quickly after death.