Special report: The astonishing revelation about Republicans and lying

'It's not just about whether a politician is lying or not. It's whether he's lying on my behalf.' — Monika McDermott, a professor of political science at Fordham University.

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  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    April 13, 2018 9:15 a.m.

    Regardless of political party, we need to care about lying politicians that have so much power at all levels of government. We should all be pushing hard to bring our politics up out of the gutter rather than excusing it going deeper in. It is no wonder young people struggle these days with having solid moral character. Too many poor role models in the political and entertainment world, and with many parents for them to know what solid moral character looks like.

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    April 1, 2018 2:57 p.m.

    Honesty should matter with politicians no matter what party you belong to or support, your race, gender, culture, or socio-economic situation. Imagine what kind of society we would have it people told the truth and supported the truth including attorneys and judges.

    The fact so many people would vote for a leader that clearly lacks the ability or willingness to tell the truth, says as much about our country, moral decline, and culture as it says about the politician.

    We have become a society of winning at all costs, and being right at all costs and that is nothing we should be proud of or be respected for by others.

  • 2close2call Los Angeles, CA
    March 31, 2018 10:24 p.m.

    @idablu "One thing I know with absolute certainty—Democrats and their MSM mouthpiece have absolutely no moral authority to cast any judgments regarding lies and honesty (or any moral characterizations) of Republicans or conservatives."

    Odd comment considering that one thing I know with double absolute certainty—Republicans and their MSM and presidential mouthpiece have absolutely no moral authority to cast any judgments regarding lies and honesty (or any moral characterizations) of Democrats, libertarians or conservatives.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    March 31, 2018 11:55 a.m.

    One thing I know with absolute certainty—

    Democrats and their MSM mouthpiece have absolutely no moral authority to cast any judgments regarding lies and honesty (or any moral characterizations) of Republicans or conservatives.

  • Lilly Munster , 00
    March 31, 2018 10:49 a.m.

    Supporting and abetting a liar includes the often used argument........well, so and so lied, cheated and stole, so why is my (friend, candidate, relative) being held to such an impossible standard?
    Many comments here drag Hillary Clinton back into scrutiny.
    Hillary withstood mountains of lies against her. She (physically) appeared before no less than six Republican led Committees to answer questions. She was investigated by eleven such Committees in total. No question was barred. Hundreds of subpoenas for physical (data) evidence and eyewitness testimony from accusers were issued. Hillary faced dozens of accusers. Nothing was overlooked. Each and every Committee had unlimited power.
    Over her entire career as a First Lady of Arkansas and the U.S.A. plus her time as Secretary of State, more than $50 million was spent by Republicans going after her. The investigations spanned over 30 years.
    What did they find? What did they convict her of, with all their resources to accuse her?
    Not even a jaywalking citation. Nothing.
    So, what about her 35,000 deleted e-mails? What about the 1.2 million e-mails deleted by Colin Powell, her predecessor? Nothing.

  • Patricia Silverman Wauchula, FL
    March 30, 2018 3:39 p.m.

    interesting that on pick on trump, when the democrats have been lying about trump, about the fact that Hillary took over the democratic party, that Hillary acted in an unlawful manner as did Comey, More, in numbers, democrats have been caught lying and gotten away from it even when it was illegal that faith in the republic is waning, Monsanto has lied about GMO's the fed has lied about cannabis the FDA is on the side of Big Pharma and the list goes on and on

  • kmike las vegas, NV
    March 30, 2018 11:50 a.m.

    Integrity Matters!

  • John Brown 1000 Laketown, UT
    March 30, 2018 11:12 a.m.

    Look at the question they asked.

    "Thinking about the 2020 presidential election, if you agree with a candidate on most issues, yet believe they are sometimes less than honest and would lie to cover up the truth, would you still vote for that person or would that be a deal breaker for you?"

    Talk about muddying the waters--what if you think both lie? Here are the questions the survey should have asked.

    "Who would you vote for? You have a choice between Candidate 1 and Candidate 2. Both hold the same positions on all of your critical issues, but you believe candidate 2 is sometimes less than honest and would lie to cover up the truth."

    Second question.

    "Who would you vote for? You have a choice between Candidate 1 and Candidate 2. You believe Candidate 1 is totally honest, but that candidate holds positions on some critical issues that you completely disagree with. Candidate 2 holds your views on all of the critical issues, but you believe candidate 2 is sometimes less than honest and would lie to cover up the truth."

    What this would have measured is what people think they value when they actually vote. Because voting is always about a choice.

  • sgallen Salt Lake City, UT
    March 30, 2018 9:46 a.m.

    We as mormons could benefit from examining our own relationship with tribalism. The 'world' isn't out to get us. There is much we can learn.

  • wrj SANDY, UT
    March 30, 2018 12:13 a.m.

    Don't you just love what feels good at the time! Never look back.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    March 29, 2018 9:38 a.m.

    Just love reading all of the "unbiased" opinions posted here.


  • Astoria Jim Mamaroneck, NY
    March 29, 2018 7:56 a.m.

    "Character counts. Except when it doesn't"
    Sounds like something Yogi Berra might say, but I see this in my own family.
    Two of the most moral people I know are my wife and my Aunt Mary.
    Aunt Mary is your stereotypical church lady, refusing to visit a nephew who lives with a woman to whom he is not married --"fornicators" she calls them.
    Yet Aunt Mary voted for Trump, because he is tough on abortion, despite his own life style, filled with years of...fornication.
    My wife is so liberal I joke she would pass up our son's wedding if it were held at the same time as a speech by Elizabeth Warren. Because of Chappaquiddick, she considers Ted Kennedy the worst human being in the history of politics. If she were at a political gathering where he was present, she would have refused to shake his hand.
    Yet if he had been the Democratic nominee in 1980, she would have voted for him over Ronald Reagan. Because she is sooo liberal.
    We try to live our lives by certain moral standards, and we hope others will, too.
    But sometimes the issues are so strong that we vote for people we would never invite into our homes.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    March 29, 2018 7:39 a.m.

    @Waldo67 "Yes, I voted for him, or more accurately, I voted against Hillary. I have no misconceptions about either if them; I knew what they were when I voted. I just dislike Trump less than I dislike Hillary."

    When Trump gives us nuclear war, or nuclear contamination, you won't "dislike Trump less than Hillary."

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    March 29, 2018 7:35 a.m.

    Trump lies through his teeth about his sexual immorality, and Mormons buy it. Amazing.

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    March 29, 2018 7:05 a.m.

    The point is, I think, that voters have voted for people who lie and cover up for decades, maybe much longer: Nixon, Clintons, Bush to name but four. Whether it's Watergate, or " I never had sex with that woman" or "weapons of mass destruction" or "I only deleted e-mails about ...." it's all the same and it's an old, old game.

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    March 28, 2018 11:04 p.m.

    To all the posters who support Trumps bad behavior and justify their support by complaining that other politician like Clinton had as bad or worse conduct are missing the point that two wrongs don’t make a right and the problem today is that Trump is corrupt and he is the one in the White House. If you want to solve yesterday’s problems, you are mostly wasting your time. But if we don’t address today’s corruption in the White House we are going to face some big problems tommow. We need honest government. How can any honest person doubt or be against that. If you can’t trust or believe the GOP or the Demos. Then join the independents and fight for good government. Don’t let Trump make a sucker of you.

  • Waldo 67 Tooele, UT
    March 28, 2018 10:51 p.m.

    Many commenters rag on Utah Trump supporters for momentarily abandoning their faith and supporting the liar. You assume others like me voted for and support Trump. Yes, I voted for him, or more accurately, I voted against Hillary. I have no misconceptions about either if them; I knew what they were when I voted. I just dislike Trump less than I dislike Hillary.

  • FelisConcolor Layton, UT
    March 28, 2018 10:27 p.m.

    Dear Deseret News:

    Do you want to know a reason why Americans have such a low opinion of the Media today?

    It's stories like this one, which reports about people being willing to support politicians who lie but does not mention the name "Clinton" even once.

  • David Centerville, UT
    March 28, 2018 9:30 p.m.


    4.1% huh? That is interesting, because my brief perusal online found a 99% average premium increase for individual health insurance plans and an average 140% premium increase in family plans since 2013.

    Personally, I paid $1100/month for my family in 2013. Last year I paid $2600/month. Not exactly 4.1%.

  • Eastside SLC/SLC, UT
    March 28, 2018 9:25 p.m.

    @Ernest T. Bass
    Substitute the words 'Democratic Party' for 'GOP' and you know why the country is so divided.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    March 28, 2018 5:05 p.m.

    There isn't much that Trump isn't willing to lie about, even a whole lot of things that really don't matter like his electoral college margin that he treats like a fishing story.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    March 28, 2018 4:58 p.m.

    Trump doesn't lie more than other politicians, the real question is "does Trump lie as much as the media?"

  • Dan Maloy Enid, OK
    March 28, 2018 3:59 p.m.

    @ marxist - Salt Lake City, UT - March 27, 2018 10:51 p.m. - "When Clinton was having his Monica problems we heard here in Utah "character matters" over and over again. Turns out it doesn't."

    Utahns overwhelming voted for Trump over Hillary because Trump overwhelmingly has more character than Hillary.

    No, I didn't say Trump has tons of character. I said he has noticeably more character than Hillary.

    Glad I could explain this to you.

  • Tiger750 usa, UT
    March 28, 2018 3:39 p.m.

    It already appears that 100% of Democrat supporters are more than willing to vote for someone lying to cover things up, so why the upset that some Republicans are becoming willing to settle for less as long as their team can win?

  • london_josh lincoln, CA
    March 28, 2018 3:37 p.m.

    "Evangelicals and members of the LDS Church, are willing to set aside their beliefs to support someone who lies so egregiously"

    The other option is a person who also lies so egregiously; so in terms of honesty we can debate who lies more but it's extremely naive to call either one honest.

    So coming back to morals, who fit's my morals best in how they legislate and lead - that would be Trump.

    Neither fit my morals on honesty and chastity, nor do I look at either for that, I don't turn on the TV and say "kids, learn about morals from politicians"

    That being said, in terms of coming through on promises made, Trump is infuriating his opposition by doing exactly as he promised to do, which is why he'll likely have a second term, those who voted for him will vote for him again.

    On other moral issues, while I don't herald him as a moral example he aligns with my beliefs better than Hillary did.

    This entire article is slanted and pretty unfair - both have their issues so both political parties have their issues also. I think that Trump supporters just admit to who he is, and that might be the major difference.

  • UtahBlueDevil Alpine, UT
    March 28, 2018 3:16 p.m.

    "“You can keep your plan, you can keep your Doctor, this will lower cost by over $2,500 per family”"

    OK.... this silly narrative has got to stop. The government did nothing to mandate or force anyones healthcare plan to change anything. These were actions taken by independent businesses of their own free will.... to serve their own objectives. Nothing in ACA mandated they kick anyone off of any plan. Its one of those lies that gets told so often people assume its true.

    As far as the rising cost - lets discuss a few "facts" here. From 1974 to 1982, health care prices rose by an average of 14.1 percent a year..." Between 1983 and 1992, health care costs rose by an average of 9.9 percent each year. Between 1993 and 2010, prices rose by an average of 6.4 percent a year. Since 2010, when the Affordable Care Act was signed, health care costs rose by 4.3 percent a year.

    You don't hear those "facts" touted too much. But the reality is health care cost were rising for a dang long time, and those cost now are rising at a much slower pace. Is it perfect - heck no. But lets not mischaracterize things just so you can root for your team.

    Honest is all but lost.

  • retiredvet Salt Lake City, UT
    March 28, 2018 3:09 p.m.

    My grandpa used to say:

    "There are lies that annoy...and there are lies that destroy"

    Trump annoys. Hillary destroys.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    March 28, 2018 3:07 p.m.

    Worf, you asked: "Where's your proof $130,000 was paid? "

    Where were you when trump's lawyer admitted that he paid it?

    Isn't that proof?

  • embarrassed Utahn! Salt Lake City, UT
    March 28, 2018 3:05 p.m.

    A majority of Utahns supported George Bush, and we all know how that turned out! When Trump came along I thought things might be different, but the party of family values and morality has shown its true values. They arrogantly proclaim that Trump's lies are "different".....God bless Robert Mueller and God bless our nation in distress!

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    March 28, 2018 2:50 p.m.

    Let's be honest (what a novel concept). Donald Trump cannot be compared to any president we've ever had. No matter how bad Clinton might have been (or perceived to have been), Donald Trump is in a league of his own. I am being patient, sort of, because I believe that Robert Mueller, a man the Republicans initially claimed (correctly) had impeccable integrity, will unveil some very uncomfortable (and embarrassing) information about Trump, and not just his Russian connections. From the little the press has been able to weasel out, it appears that Trump's team not only colluded with the Russians, but that the Donald may have been involved in some pretty shady business practices. Which also shouldn't surprise us at all. So those of you who are defending this very unique and destructive man need to ask yourselves what price you are paying.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    March 28, 2018 2:49 p.m.

    All of our greatest Presidents had many flaws. At least we know most of Trumps lies when we see them.

    We usually don't find out about Hillary's lies for years....

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    March 28, 2018 2:49 p.m.

    Tlingit - Orem, UT
    March 28, 2018 1:53 p.m.


    Your comment here was absolutely right and spot on.

    Thank you for posting something rational.

    It's refreshing!

  • JBs Logan, UT
    March 28, 2018 2:45 p.m.

    This shows how far society has drifted recently. It is ironic that people who profess religious faith, such as Evangelicals and members of the LDS Church, are willing to set aside their beliefs to support someone who lies so egregiously. What is more alarming to me, however, is the comfort level they have in doing so. There doesn't seem to be much, if any, discomfort with this.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    March 28, 2018 2:44 p.m.

    What I find most humorous about trump fans and their attempt at comparing Hillary, Obama, and whoever else they like as equal.

    You guys are able to name the specific lies which you call "numerous and many," but you can list all the actual ones and the ones talk radio made up in one post, and frequently do it daily.

    There aren't enough "characters remaining" in all 4 of my comments to list Trumps first six months.

    Sad, when folks "want to believe" more than they want the truth.

  • kazie Heber City, UT
    March 28, 2018 2:34 p.m.


    Hillary Clinton did not say she wants to be like Hitler. That falsehood has been disproven many times over. Fact check please before posting. It's important.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    March 28, 2018 2:28 p.m.

    Thid Barker said: "For those of you who need a translation of this article, a lie is the truth that YOU don't agree with!"

    Say No to BO -said: "Take a breath, folks. This is MANUFACTURED NEWS."

    Why even in the face of this article, they still can't grasp reality, keep listening to Trump and Fox, it keeps you in the dark, where it's apparently filled with GOP folks?

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    March 28, 2018 2:27 p.m.

    "Only around 3 in 10 Democrats (30 percent)...say they would still vote for a presidential candidate who lied if they agreed with him or her on most issues." The fact is a significant majority of Democrats did vote for a chronic liar in the last election.

  • SteedGun Centerville, UT
    March 28, 2018 2:14 p.m.

    Sorry, consider the source. The liberal universities have their own agenda and set of rules. No way I believe this survey. This should not have been news in my opinion. Surveys can be skewed too many ways especially by university folks.

  • figureditout American Fork, UT
    March 28, 2018 2:09 p.m.

    At least the Republican Party still has a reputation to protect. The Democrats capitulated long ago.

  • Astoria Jim Mamaroneck, NY
    March 28, 2018 2:05 p.m.

    Spangs: The Deseret News is liberal?
    As a New Yorker, I feel like Crocodile Dundee when a street robber near Central Park showed him a small knife, and Dundee said, 'that's not a knife, might' (how Aussies pronounce mate) and whipped out a knife the size of a Honda Civic...'this, might, is a knife!'
    Here in New York you've got media outlets that would shut down the government over transgendered bathrooms. Now that's liberal...might!
    From my reading, the Deseret News attempts to be a fair broker of ideas, remaining true both to the religious principles of the LDS faith, yet embracing the humanist and inclusiveness of a people who, from its earliest days, knew what it meant to be outcasts in the desert.

  • LadyMoon Crestucky, FL
    March 28, 2018 1:54 p.m.

    Reprobates have been dishing up our politics for decades.

  • Tlingit Orem, UT
    March 28, 2018 1:53 p.m.

    I'm surprised and disappointed by the number of people who act like there are only two choices: democrat or republican. Why can't they see that their own limited thinking that makes this SEEM true?

    All you have to do is stop letting a political party control your mind and your vote and start thinking for yourself. If enough of you could summon that courage, we'd never have a Trump vs Clinton election again.

    By the way, remember Mark McGuire? The guy who broke Babe Ruth's home run record, then admitted to using steroids?

    Trump fans remind me so much of of Mark McGuire fans.

    "It's not just about whether a politician is lying or not. It's whether he's lying on my behalf." — Monika McDermott, a professor of political science at Fordham University.

  • kazie Heber City, UT
    March 28, 2018 1:52 p.m.

    @HS Tucker: I am having a hard time controlling the tears of laughter running down my face and filling my house like Alice's tears shed in Wonderland. The statement the Deseret News "throws Republicans, and by extension, Conservatives and Mormons, under the bus. Now you can finally justify your bias for the news/media/Democrat complex" is one of the funniest things I have read in my rather long lifetime.

    I've read the Dnews and the SLTrib for close to 75 years and the tendency for either of them to "throw conservatives and mormons under the bus" is certainly not something I've noticed. Of course, I will admit, I do not read through conservative or Mormon eyes, so my view may be slanted.

  • Rubydo Provo, UT
    March 28, 2018 1:44 p.m.

    Who do you believe more? Stormy Daniels or Larry Sinclair?

  • freemale221g Orem, UT
    March 28, 2018 1:39 p.m.

    @Craig Clark - Boulder, CO

    "Anyone wonder how Hitler and the Nazis came into power? This is how. Immoral people valued lies more than truth."
    Here’s a quote from der Fuhrer himself.

    "The German people have no idea of the extent to which they have to be gulled in order to be led."
    - Adolf Hitler

    Chillingly candid confession, isn’t it? Trump has shocked us with race-baiting remarks but I don’t think his grip will last much longer, not even among his base. Fortunately, the obstacle standing between any would be despot and a fascist state in America is the Constitution."

    It is funny how the democrats and the media have no idea the extent they have been gulled in by the DNC and Hillary who has said that she wants to be like Hitler.

  • Rick for Truth Provo, UT
    March 28, 2018 1:27 p.m.

    Hillary, Barry, and Bill, hahahaha.
    The vast majority of liberals and Dem’s voted for all three. The biggest lying threesome in the History of the United States. I notice you did not do a single story on this since 1992. Starting with “didn’t have sexual relations with that women” I guess rape isn’t a relationship. “You can keep your plan, you can keep your Doctor, this will lower cost by over $2,500 per family”, or “what do you mean, wash it like with a cloth”, “ it doesn’t matter anymore” , “it was that horrible video!”
    I could go no and on, but the MSM and DN dose not what you the public to know or see the true facts!

  • JoelB44 Idaho Falls, ID
    March 28, 2018 1:26 p.m.

    "Who ya gonna vote for"?!
    Both parties have gone over the edge of sanity in their determination to gain and hold positions in government to further political directions! Republicans have quietly sat on their hands while allowing (encouraging?) big banks and giant corporations to enrich themselves at taxpayer expense.
    Democrats have morphed into what was feared earlier to be the social democratic answer to communism, and has systematically undercut the legal system, family life and marriage and the Constitution.
    Voting one's moral conscience means one may not be feel there is an appropriate choice of candidates!

    SO... does the voter support (with repugnance) the liar and womanizer who will work actively to hold the nation from further decline, OR does the voter choose the liar and demonstrated corrupt leader of a group of proven corrupt cowards determined to further destroy the greatest nation with the most powerful economy ever seen on Earth?!

    We are about to fall due to our greed as a nation and as a people who could not live within their means. Voting to prevent further decline only makes the eventual fall worse.

    So, who are you going to vote for?

  • taybow SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    March 28, 2018 1:10 p.m.

    The problem, especially on a national level, is that you can either vote for a republican the covers up the truth or a democrat that covers up the truth.

  • london_josh lincoln, CA
    March 28, 2018 12:49 p.m.

    I think one party is lying about how they don't see lies as lies, or they simply don't see the lies at all.

    Trump lies, everybody knows this, he's not my moral guide.

    Clinton was no better, and might be worse.

    I just don't feel like we have options who aren't liars right now. But I find it very interesting that democrats are saying that they won't support liars in office when Clinton was caught so many times lying about things.

    We've gone from "this is a good man" to "this guy gets it done".

  • figureditout American Fork, UT
    March 28, 2018 12:45 p.m.

    How hypocritical to call Republicans out for the very thing the entire Democratic/Liberal foundation is built on!

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    March 28, 2018 12:42 p.m.

    There are no morals in the GOP.
    There are no ethics in the GOP.
    There is no empathy in the GOP.
    How any religious person can remain steadfast to the GOP is beyond reason and understanding.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    March 28, 2018 12:35 p.m.

    So Republicans are nearly twice as likely to support a liar, and they clear are on board with a President who has made Bill Clinton look like a choirboy. They are OK with Russian intervention in our elections, and turn away at discussions of money laundering involving the President and his family. They claim to care about the deficit, yet deliberately increase it dramatically to put money in the pockets of the very rich. At the same time, they seek to cut Social Security and other programs to help the less affluent. I could go on, but I sure don't want to hear another Republican (especially Mormons) tell me that the Republican Party is the more "righteous" of the parties, or more in line with the Gospel. It's just a flat out lie.

  • The Meliorist Grande Cache, 00
    March 28, 2018 11:59 a.m.

    @Uncle Rico

    Yes unnecessary abortion is a horrible moral tragedy.

    However, the Church while discouraging the practice recognizes the right of the woman (not the state) to make that decision after prayerful consideration.

    A woman's right to choose is not a political issue but a principle of free agency. And each will answer to the Lord for their decision. In the end I would rather women making the decision than the government. Consider China where the government began exercising their power to determine who has children and who does not.

    Though I am not a Democrat sympathizer, many, if not most of them also morally oppose unnecessary abortion, however they, as many Republicans, believe the final decision rests with the mother and not the state.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    March 28, 2018 11:45 a.m.

    Wow! 80 comments and counting.

    Take a breath, folks. This is MANUFACTURED NEWS.

    It is a Deseret News poll.

    They put the story at the top of the page with a thick, black border of a picture of Trump.

    This is an In Depth story. Special treatment.

    Ask yourself why. Could the DN possibly accept the approval rating polls regularly published and analyse them? Nope. Not strong enough.

    This story and its treatment is a strong statement by the Deseret News.

    Let that sink in, folks.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    March 28, 2018 11:39 a.m.

    One of the first thing a would-be tyrant does is to confuse the voting public. Convince them that science is fake, that fact is variable and that ethics are both transactional and situational.

    History shows us this time and again.

    And this is what the trump administration does. I can do the math.

    All the back/forth on the "but Hillary!", "but Bill!", "but Obama!" claims by the right do nothing to dispel the simple fact that our democracy is imperiled by the trump presidency. His demonstrable allergies to truth, ethical behavior or personal morality show this time and againg.

    More importantly though is the simple fact that the GOP is aiding and abetting this danger by refusing to admit the mistake of a trump reign, blindly supporting almost anything the man says or does and pursuing power for power's sake.

    Sad, sad, sad. What we are doing to the future of the country and the danger to our descendants is incalculable.

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    March 28, 2018 11:36 a.m.

    President Russell M Nelson said:

    "These data, however, are dwarfed by the toll of another war that claims more casualties annually than did World War I and World War II combined. Worldwide reports indicate that more than 40 million abortions are performed per year.

    This war called abortion is a war on the defenseless and the voiceless. It is a war on the unborn. This war is being waged globally. Ironically, civilized societies that have generally placed safeguards on human life have now passed laws that sanction this practice."

  • worf McAllen, TX
    March 28, 2018 11:32 a.m.

    @The Real Maverick,

    Where's your proof $130,000 was paid? Where's the the proof of Trump colluding with Russia?

    Why are hysterical people:

    * trying to get rid of Trump?
    * trying to disarm American citizens?
    * trying to open our borders to anyone?
    * wanting huge trade deficits?

    Is this to make America better?

  • Lia Sandy, UT
    March 28, 2018 11:29 a.m.

    @Howard S. - Taylorsville, UT

    There is more presidential honor, diplomacy, tact, capability and qualification in Hillary's
    laundry basket than there is in the entire trump family tree.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    March 28, 2018 11:25 a.m.

    Let's be honest, GOP acceptance of lying has far more to do with the age of Hillary than with the age of Trump.

    Given two bad choices, we picked the one that was less bad. And now folks feel the need to justify their decision on a push poll.

    Let's also be honest about the effect of establishment GOP candidates and incumbents, and their thousand and one lies that the media never points out. These lies during the campaign season about being fiscal conservatives, or about their support for border security, or their fidelity to the constitutional principles of federalism or individual RKBA are far more damaging to the nation than are lies about private intimate relationships. Turns out the Democrats were right about Bill Clinton.

    We had honest candidates. The Democrats rejected the honest (and crazy) socialist in favor of the dishonest and unlikable socialist. The Republicans rejected the decent and honest candidates in favor of the guy who attacked the media.

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    March 28, 2018 11:23 a.m.

    This is all so ludicrous. Regan lied about the Iran contras, so this made it ok for Nixon to lie, so that made it ok for Clinton and Obama to lie, and so it goes up the a stairs of crooked politics, when and where will it stop. It only stops when voters say enough and demand good government. If your political party is a disgrace and you feel the other party is just as bad then change to a independent. But start demanding American worthiness of our political leaders. Too many good Americans have sacrificed so much for our freedom to have it wasted on corrupt lying self serving politicians.

  • Astoria Jim Mamaroneck, NY
    March 28, 2018 11:15 a.m.

    There is lying and there is lying: The great philosopher Spinoza said that no lie was acceptable, even a lie told to a mad man to prevent the murder of a child, which I remembered when reading "Night", by Nobel Prize winner Elie Wiesel, who mentioned that when he arrived at Auschwitz he was asked by none other than mass murderer Dr Josef Mengele what his age and occupation were. Mr Weisel had the presence of mind to not admit that he was a 14-year-old rabbinical student, but to say he was a 16-year-old farmer...older, stronger, more accustomed to the hard physical labor demanded of concentration camp prisoners...and to keep his hands in his pants pockets so Mengele could not see he had the smooth hands of a student, not the gnarled hands of a laborer. Two lies told. One life saved...and all of the other 14-year-old rabbinical students in Mr Weisel's class? Murdered by sunset.

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    March 28, 2018 11:01 a.m.

    Hard to know what is true and honest and what isn’t since the media are the biggest liars. I don’t trust any thing or anybody in either of the 4 estates (legislative, executive, judicial and press.) I think they are all corrupt, dishonest and lead by secret combinations (read the Book of Ether). That is why I didn’t vote for any of the candidates. They are both despicable. But now that we have one, I do think he is the lesser of two evils, but not by much.

  • Pragmatic Salt Lake City, UT
    March 28, 2018 10:59 a.m.

    Disturbing. I have a difficult time even sitting in my Mormon congregation knowing that there are many Trump supporters in the same room and have found a path by which they can excuse his behavior and what he is doing to the morale of our country.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    March 28, 2018 10:53 a.m.

    Why are the mainstream news media reporting on this: "Over thirty members of the Ladies in White, a peaceful Catholic dissident group in Cuba, were violently arrested over the weekend for attempting to attend Sunday Mass, including leader Berta Soler.
    The Cuban government recently banned Soler from leaving the country after the White House invited her to attend President Donald Trump’s speech announcing the repeal of Obama-era concessions to the communist Castro regime. She was arrested eight times during President Obama’s short visit to the island in March 2016."

    Could it be they are covering up to protect Obama's failed foreign policy. Why is the DNs
    covering this. Shouldn't this at least appear in the faith section? Why hide Cuba's human rights atrocities? Protecting Obama's communist friends?

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    March 28, 2018 10:44 a.m.

    Point well taken.

    And we might do well to remember that the mainstream media said Romney “flip-flopped” when he changed a position. But, when Obama changed a position, the mainstream media said he was “evolving.”

    I believe it is the mark of integrity and a superior mind to change a position when significant new information comes to light.

  • Go 273 river miles Draper, UT
    March 28, 2018 10:43 a.m.

    Why on earth is this astonishing? Perhaps the researchers and the public at large have forgotten that Bill Clinton looked directly into the TV camera while speaking to the citizens of the US and wagged his finger in our collective faces while saying "I did not have sexual relations with that woman". He did indeed have sexual relations with "that woman" -- that 19 year-old woman. He lied through his teeth and the faithful liberal news media did everything it could to excuse him when he got caught red (or should I refer to the color blue) handed. High-level politicians all lie. It's how they get there and its part of their tool kit in staying there. The only reason Trump is causing a big uproar is because he is not of the same party as most of the media. The great thing about the last year is that media has shown its true, unvarnished bias and allegiance to the Democratic Party.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    March 28, 2018 10:34 a.m.

    So much for the high moral ground the Republicans used to claim. Now "family values" obviously includes lying, cheating, lying about the cheating, colluding, lying about the colluding, giving huge tax cuts to the wealthy, lying about those tax cuts, trying to take health care from the poor and disadvantaged, lying about taking away health care, and on and on and on. But guess what? This isn't the Trump factor. The GOP has been doing the old bait-and-switch for 40 years.

  • The Real Maverick Spanish Fork, UT
    March 28, 2018 10:28 a.m.

    @ worf

    Yes. I’d trust stormy and Anderson over your boy Donald.

    Why did Donald’s lawyer pay Stormy $130,000 to remain silent over something that “never happened?” And why would he sign a ND document with different names over this?

    Repubs, wake up

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    March 28, 2018 10:20 a.m.

    "Remember that when Bill Clinton was elected, we voters didn't know about any nefarious actions by him."

    Yes we did. And then he was elected for a second term. See how easy it is for the left to lie, because it supports their disphoric ideals of party loyalty. Question, why did not the US media report his immorality? Why did George Stephanopoulos threated peoples careers to hide Clinton's immorality?

    I new about Clinton's immoral behavior before he got elected the first time, and I didn't vote for him. Because in truth a liberal will hide the truth and accept the lies as much as the deep swamp Republicans.

  • kolob1 Sandy, UT
    March 28, 2018 10:15 a.m.

    Any Utahn that thinks it is ok to accept the lies of their political favorite is doomed to die not only by the lies being spewed by their favorite but also by the inner disintergration of the individuals' own moral constitution. Like a serial murderer , once the crime has been committed, each repeat occurance become easier to the point of not being able to distinguish between the truth and the lie..

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    March 28, 2018 10:14 a.m.

    It used to be the Federal Government, Our Uncle Sam, . Now it is the church of Trump and the gullible supporters.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    March 28, 2018 10:11 a.m.

    For those of you who need a translation of this article, a lie is the truth that YOU don't agree with!

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    March 28, 2018 10:09 a.m.

    Democrats think that by attacking the credibility of Trump, Republicans will see the light and wish they had voted for Hillary.

    Trump may not be a perfect man or President... but he is miles, and miles, and miles better for our country than Hillary or any candidate offered by the Democrats.

    So with all his shortcomings... I stand with Trump.

  • Gbod South Jordan, UT
    March 28, 2018 10:09 a.m.

    Did you run this same poll and article when Obama lied directly to the American people about health care?

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    March 28, 2018 10:09 a.m.

    Transgender bathroom is a lie, as is gay marriage. Also, another fib is that progressives help the poor. Truth is that religious people live longer.

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    March 28, 2018 10:06 a.m.

    Article parapraphased: "Well ...um... with no support whatsoever.... we conclude that Democrats -might- do what Republicans are -definitely-doing. Repeatedly. Without conscience. With reckless abandon."

    This feeble attempt to normalize Trump's historically aberrant behavior (for any POTUS) is more pathetic and disgusting than the man himself.

  • kolob1 Sandy, UT
    March 28, 2018 10:01 a.m.

    i have often decried the religious right's insistence on taking the religious fervor of this nation into the courtroom and the legislature. Mix any of these players with religion and you cultivate the "big lie" . There is no way that a religious cleric and a politician can work together without resorting to lies. It is in the DNA of both subjects . To combine the two makes the lie more respectable and acceptable here in Utah. There is nothing in religion that can be proven in a court of law. There is nothing in a politician's promises or positions that can be proven in the court of public opinion. Both religious leaders and political operatives never utter any profundity without an escape clause from the truth. Like I said combine the two and you have lying 101.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    March 28, 2018 9:56 a.m.

    "Anyone wonder how Hitler and the Nazis came into power? This is how. Immoral people valued lies more than truth. "
    Here’s a quote from der Fuhrer himself.

    "The German people have no idea of the extent to which they have to be gulled in order to be led."
    - Adolf Hitler

    Chillingly candid confession, isn’t it? Trump has shocked us with race-baiting remarks but I don’t think his grip will last much longer, not even among his base. Fortunately, the obstacle standing between any would be despot and a fascist state in America is the Constitution.

  • kolob1 Sandy, UT
    March 28, 2018 9:48 a.m.

    "In all of this, there is a spectacular accumulation of lies. Lies on disclosure forms. Lies at confirmation hearings. Lies on Twitter. Lies in the White House briefing room. Lies to the FBI. Self-protective lies by the attorney general. Blocking and tackling lies by Vice President Mike Pence. This is, with a few exceptions, a group of people for whom truth, political honor, ethics and integrity mean nothing." Michael Gerson, Deseret News ,June 2017.

    And the next Utah poll in Utah showed that 70 % of Utahns supported the main culprit, Donald J. Trump.

  • Lia Sandy, UT
    March 28, 2018 9:45 a.m.

    The Deseret News is reporting news, not creating news.
    Sorry about you not being able to handle the truth-

  • David Centerville, UT
    March 28, 2018 9:43 a.m.

    The expected defense for Republican lieing is "but Democrats and Democrat politicians lie!" They will drag out Bill Clinton, and other Democrats that have lied.

    No excuse.

    Every American voter must demand that their political leaders are truthful, and hold politicians accountable when they are not. Dishonest politicians should be impeached or voted out of office as soon as possible.

  • David Centerville, UT
    March 28, 2018 9:41 a.m.

    Republican tolerance for lieing is explained simply--power. They are willing to tolerate lieing if it puts a "Republican" in the White House and maintains Republican control of Congress. If it is a Democrat in the White House or Democrats controlling Congress, Republicans will have little tolerance for lieing.

    Another word for this: hypocrisy.

    I confess that I have been a registered Republican my entire life...until recently. I remain a conservative and have registered a member of the United Utah Party.

  • kolob1 Sandy, UT
    March 28, 2018 9:35 a.m.

    Lying in business is an art form. It is what makes a "deal" sweeter. Telling the truth here in Utah business labels the speaker as an uncooperative maverick , to be avoided at all cost. No longer is it "let the buyer beware". It is let everyone beware. Donald Trump brags about his prowness to lie and get away with it. There is no lie in Donald Trump's basket of lies that he will not defend with a "fake news" charge. And the gullible and uneducated here in Utah swallow the concept hook, line and D & C . Utah , it's political leaders, it's press and it's clergy have lost forever in this generation the moral compass and the moral high ground. Does "lying for the Lord" sound familiar to you ? Does "I don't remember" sound familiar to you ? It is because a lie has just emanated from the speaker's mouth. Lying to the citizenry is a practice employed by most municipal entities in the name of "public good". Lying is synonymous with greed which is synonymous with profit here in this compound constitutional republic ( another Utah legislative lie).

  • Yuge Opportunity Here Mapleton, UT
    March 28, 2018 9:34 a.m.

    Anything's possible when the meaning of the word, "is," becomes subject to debate.

  • Lia Sandy, UT
    March 28, 2018 9:16 a.m.

    I remember trump in an interview years ago saying if he ran for president it would be as a republican, because 'republicans believe anything you tell them."

  • Cora Smith BOUNTIFUL, UT
    March 28, 2018 9:09 a.m.

    Remember that when Bill Clinton was elected, we voters didn't know about any nefarious actions by him.

    Remember that everyone knew exactly what Trump was, his dishonesty, adulterous lifestyle, his cheating contractors out of millions, multiple bankruptcies, non religious (his actions prove that), his treatment of his wife etc.

    Just stop trying to make Trump look good by comparing him to whomever. It doesn't look good for you to do so. In fact it's silly and false.

  • utahcoyote Saint George, UT
    March 28, 2018 9:06 a.m.

    "Vermonter -
    Republicans nominated Mitt Romney in 2012. To most of the people who met and spent significant time with Romney, he was the most decent, honest, and moral person to run for President in their lifetimes. But, somewhat because of smear tactics, and more likely because of an already ingrained tribalism, Romney lost. "

    actually, i thought huntsman fit more into your honest moral narrative of a presidential candidate. romney has made a career being on every side of every issue, and has shown very little spine. now, he is basically a foreigner running for hatch's senate seat. watching romney cave in on basically every issue saddens me, because he is a smart guy who if he had any real backbone would an asset.

  • Spangs Salt Lake City, UT
    March 28, 2018 9:04 a.m.

    "Congratulations, Deseret News. You've crafted a survey that throws Republicans, and by extension, Conservatives and Mormons, under the bus. Now you can finally justify your bias for the news/media/Democrat complex."

    Yes! The DN is the spearhead of the Liberal Media. Time and time again, I read the Deseret News, lament their liberal drivel and say, "I really wish there was an honest conservative voice somewhere to be had here in Utah..."

  • The Real Maverick Spanish Fork, UT
    March 28, 2018 8:59 a.m.

    I just wonder how much of this can be blamed on am radio and Fox News? Fox News is literally Trump TV. Studies show that Fox News viewers actually know less than those who don’t watch any tv! Incredible, right?

    And am radio is constantly hateful, cynical, and lies repeatedly. They try and convince listeners that everyone is as cynical and hateful as Rush and Sean. Which is sad. There are a lot of good people out there. They’re just being brainwashed.

  • Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    March 28, 2018 8:57 a.m.

    @Say No: "Ironically, Trump is the most candid president we've had in my lifetime."

    "Candid". I don't think that word means what you think it means. Seeing that Trump has told 2,436 lies (The Fact Checker), I don't think the word candor comes immediately to my mind.

    When someone tells between 5-6 lies every day on average, "candid" is not the right term to describe them.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    March 28, 2018 8:55 a.m.

    Hmm? Many hysterical folks:

    * want to get rid of Trump
    * want to disarm the American people
    * want open borders

    Is this really to improve America, or is there a hidden reason?

    Is there any difference between Democrats and Republicans? Either party could have prevented a twenty one trillion dollar national debt and didn't.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    March 28, 2018 8:53 a.m.

    The Donald does not tell the truth about all the golf he plays when not reading any reports.

  • Old Cougar Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 28, 2018 8:53 a.m.

    I definitely agree with the statement of Copybook Heading that "The infantile hypocrisy is simply stunning."

    Hypocrisy extends far beyond politics and it always has. We are becoming a nation of hypocrites but refuse to accept it.

    Take a quick introspective look at yourself.
    -- I never cheated in school.
    -- I never lied about anything that I sold.
    -- I never lied about anything that I bought.
    -- I never lied on my federal and state tax forms.
    -- I always drive at the listed speed limit.
    -- I never drive illegally in the HOV lane.
    -- I have always been completely honest when submitting resumes.
    -- I have always told the truth during interviews.
    -- I have never lied to a spouse or family member.
    -- (The list goes on and on!!!)

    We lye when it benefits our purposes (Santa, Easter Bunny, "vote for me and..." etc.), but condemn others when they lye to benefit their purposes. The question remains - as a nation, are we becoming better or worse?

  • The Meliorist Grande Cache, 00
    March 28, 2018 8:43 a.m.

    @ ChopperDan

    "Conduct that is so antithetical to our faith should never be acceptable in any candidate for office, or existing official."

    Well said, brother, well said.

    Now that the election is over and Hillary is not in power, the question is whether Republicans are patriots to their nation (which means standing up to Trump every time he is wrong), or merely sheep who allow the President to control them. Republicans should be taking the moral high ground and writing their senators and congressmen and telling them to keep Trump in line, or remove him. Senator Flake is a true principled politician. Mitt Romney is a true principled politician. Evan McMullin is. All are LDS, and all are willing to admit that the emperor proverbially has (and had) no clothes on.

    Payoffs to Stormy Daniels.
    Access Hollywood.
    Racially insensitive attacks.
    Openly lying to leaders of other nations (Trudeau).

    Any one of these makes Nixon look like Lincoln.

    Please, conservatives, get this guy away from the sacred halls of the White House and his hands off the Constitution.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    March 28, 2018 8:41 a.m.

    "Dishonesty isn't a deal breaker for most Republicans in the age of Donald Trump."

    And this is surprising - how?

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    March 28, 2018 8:34 a.m.

    I'm sure Trump is flattered to have a photo, but where are the rest of our politicians? You need a whole photo gallery of politicians.

    How about Hughes? And the rest of the legislature for the prison fiasco, from site selection to cost overruns?

    Or Obama, or Jackie, or Curtis, or Gil, or Herbert, or McAdams...the material is endless.

    So, why single out Trump? Well, you'd have to admit that the whole point was to bash DOnald Trump...and you wouldn't want to dilute the effect.

    Perhaps what this survey really says is that we've grown up politically, and finally realized they are all crooks.

    "The President has kept all of the promises he intended to keep."
    George Stephanopoulos, 1996

  • The Meliorist Grande Cache, 00
    March 28, 2018 8:24 a.m.

    Please don't forget the 45% of Republicans (true conservatives) who hold on to principles of integrity.

    As the Church advises, "Principles compatible with the gospel may be found in various political parties, and members should seek candidates who best embody those principles."

    Can any Latter-day Saint honestly admit that Donald Trump embodies the principles of sexual morality, obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law, humility, brotherly kindness, or being honest in his business dealings?

    The argument that Hillary was worse is old people. She is no longer running. Joe Biden, Tim Kaine, Mitt Romney, Evan McMullin, even Mike Pence would be better than Trump. True Republicans need to get back control of their president or lose massively in the next several election cycles.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    March 28, 2018 8:24 a.m.

    This sounds like a growing of number of people feel it doesn't matter whether you lie or tell the truth as long as it gets people to believe what you want them to believe. Are we actually becoming that cynical?

  • pragmatistferlife Salt Lake City, UT
    March 28, 2018 8:24 a.m.

    This is the dumbest topic because the facts are simple.

    All politicians do not tell the truth, or the whole truth some of the time, and they do it for various reasons and with different consequences. Guess what we all do the same.

    " I didn't have sex with that woman" was a bald face lie, with moral consequences for the country.

    " They have wmd's" was a bald face lie with existential consequences for hundreds of thousands of people.

    One study I saw said 90% of kids tell lies. It probably gets better as we get older but doesn't go away.

    Again, Presidents since Regan have been shown to stretch the truth 25% of the time except Trump who stretches the truth 70% of the time. He even admitted in public a couple of weeks ago that he just makes stuff up and sees how it flies.

    That's what's dangerous about Trumps lying. It's often not trying to cover up the truth it's simply an utter disregard for the truth.

    When the subject is lying, it's absolutely disingenuous to pick a couple of the untruths of former Presidents and try and create an equivalency with a man who has complete disregard for the truth.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    March 28, 2018 8:23 a.m.

    We have the US House And Senate now investigating the Clinton/Obama spying on the Trump team plus the Clinton email scandal plus the Clinton Foundation scandal plus the Obama falsehoods regarding Obama care and corruption using the IRS to target conservative groups in 2012 election and somehow that isn't mentioned in this article? Seriously?

  • 83976 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 28, 2018 8:15 a.m.

    'It's not just about whether a politician is lying or not. It's whether he's lying on my behalf.'

    More accurately: "It's whether he's lying on what I assume to be on my behalf."

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    March 28, 2018 8:14 a.m.

    This is frightening and disgusting.

    But not a surprise, unfortunately.

  • rok Sandy, UT
    March 28, 2018 8:03 a.m.

    in for the long haul - They didn't fail to disclose either. They disclosed everything in the application. it was in the footnotes.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    March 28, 2018 8:01 a.m.

    In the immortal words of Col. Sherman T. Potter "Horse Hockey".

  • Thomas Jefferson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 28, 2018 7:59 a.m.

    Its funny to watch the excuses made here on this page.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    March 28, 2018 7:51 a.m.

    Ironically, Trump is the most candid president we've had in my lifetime.

    Go figure.

  • Fabulous Jen Eagle Mountain, UT
    March 28, 2018 7:50 a.m.

    Nine Hillary Clinton references in thirteen comments -- good job!

    When Republicans are synonymous with lying, abetting and enabling lying, and covering up lies, they will be finished. Moral rot will be wiped clean at the polls. Responsible governance is a lot more than a celebration of power and stomping on truth.

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    March 28, 2018 7:37 a.m.

    Approximately 20 years ago, Americans were told by the elites that certain kinds of morality don’t matter any more. Still, Republicans nominated Mitt Romney in 2012. To most of the people who met and spent significant time with Romney, he was the most decent, honest, and moral person to run for President in their lifetimes. But, somewhat because of smear tactics, and more likely because of an already ingrained tribalism, Romney lost.

    You could easily say that in 2012, Republicans learned the lesson that honesty, decency and morality really don’t matter anymore...and nominated Trump.

    Sorry, hard for me to blame Republican Party leaders and voters for making such a choice. And still harder for me to be astonished at this polls results.

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    March 28, 2018 7:26 a.m.

    I was inclined to not even read this article. You know the saying, “...there are lies, darned lies, and then there are statistics.”

    But, you sucked me in.

    @The Educator.
    You are strangely silent on the immorality of the left. You know, sometimes (perhaps only occasionally) people on the left are also dishonest (and even immoral). Perhaps you should “get educated.”

    In case you missed it, 22% of Utahns voted for McMullin—primarily on character. And there was at least another 10% that held their noses to vote for Trump. Didn’t see any other state having major trouble voting for Hillary or Trump. Your indictment of your fellow Utahns seems a tad too broad to me.

    Additionally, these stats could easily be interpreted that Republicans and men are simply more honest about lying.

    Finally, was there a question in the poll about voting for a dishonest Republican over an honest Democrat? The answer to such a question would give a pretty good measure of tribalism in America.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    March 28, 2018 7:26 a.m.

    The values that Republicans have surrendered in their support of Trump and their quest for power is alarming... for all of us.

    Remember the tax bill, and how most economists said it wasn't a good idea?

    The Treasury Department finances our debt through selling T-Bills, bonds that investors buy, based on the US reputation to pay the interest and retire this small allotments of debt.

    This week they're selling $294 Billion in T-Bills, the largest weekly amount since the financial collapse of 2008. The interest rate on these bonds has gone from 2.4% in January, to 3.0% now.

    (Also, now is not the time to start a trade war - with the country that finances most of your deficit spending.)

    Honesty, integrity, being fiscally responsible... these are values that need widespread acceptance.

  • HSTucker Holladay, UT
    March 28, 2018 7:18 a.m.

    Congratulations, Deseret News. You've crafted a survey that throws Republicans, and by extension, Conservatives and Mormons, under the bus. Now you can finally justify your bias for the news/media/Democrat complex.

  • bass679 Novi, MI
    March 28, 2018 7:17 a.m.

    so the Republican Party is supposed to be the party of morals and integrity. Instead of standing by those morals though, they have sunk to "what-aboutism". Instead of standing by their principles they say, "well the Democrats do it too!" As if that's supposed to be some sort of justification for bad behavior!

    Instead of standing for integrity they have decided what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Instead of integrity they have chosen to embrace the societal decay that they pretend to decry.

  • UtahBlueDevil Alpine, UT
    March 28, 2018 7:13 a.m.

    The DN has been a constant drumbeat against the normalization of Pornography. It is sad that it looks like a like quest to keep lying from being the "norm" is needed.

    For 20 years the right has been constant in their criticism of Clinton based on his morals and apparent struggles with honesty. It seems that conservatives are increasingly comfortable cedeing that higher ground. That is truly a very sad state to be in.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    March 28, 2018 7:13 a.m.

    I think that the article speaks for itself. The quibbling comes only when we cast aspersions on the debate opponents tribe.

    Either you are for lying or you are not. Either you are for immorality or you are not. And either you are consistent in your personal beliefs and attempted behavior or not.

    It seems Americans are completely inconsistent

  • RG Buena Vista, VA
    March 28, 2018 6:50 a.m.

    The reason many Republicans would vote for a liar is that the other candidate also lies. The article failed to point this out, and for that reason is itself disingenuous. In my experience, people from both major parties lie. But one party feels more shame over it, while the other celebrates it. Remember that Harry Reid spread false information about Mitt Romney's taxes. And then later, Harry admitted it wasn't true, but it didn't matter because "we won." Remember that Hillary lied over the "video" that sparked the Benghazi massacre, and even lied to the parents of the dead victims, right to their faces. And hard evidence shows that at that time, she knew the "video" story wasn't true.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    March 28, 2018 6:48 a.m.

    Last night, conservative Charlie Dent (R-PA) called out evangelicals and fellow conservatives for still supporting Trump. He said the GOP would be screaming from morning to night if Obama had the relationship with Russia that Trump did and, that if Obama had half the moral scandals that Trump did, they'd be calling for his head. Republicans that still support Trump are hypocrites.

  • Allidoiswin Holladay, UT
    March 28, 2018 6:46 a.m.

    They may be a liar as long as they are MY liar. This is very sad. Hypocrisy practically defines politics.

  • chopperdan Clovis, NM
    March 28, 2018 6:22 a.m.

    As a Faithful latter day saint, I find it disheartening that anyone would support a candidate that would not be completely honest. To say that it’s OK for someone to lie just a little bit, or some lies are OK is a trick that the adversary has used since the dawn of time. It’s OK to break the commandment now and again if you believe in the candidate. It’s OK to break your vows to your spouse repeatedly. I cannot understand how people of faith can compromise their principles and lower their standards to support any candidate that displays such lack of morality. Conduct that is so antithetical to our faith should never be acceptable in any candidate for office, or Existing official.

  • prelax Murray, UT
    March 28, 2018 6:19 a.m.

    Wow, mixing religion and politics. Hillary's loss still hurts. doesn't it.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    March 28, 2018 6:00 a.m.

    Something to ponder.

    Our country is so politically divided that many put party over country. The politicians and the media stress the differences that make it appear that we are much further apart than reality would suggest. They find the biggest wacko on each side and then paint everyone in that light.

    Yes, the far left and the far right are very different.

    But, that is not where most people fall. In reality, there is little difference between a moderate Republican and a moderate Democrat. And, most people are moderate. They are not the far right or left wingnuts that get portrayed in an effor to divide.

    This division is one of the bigger threats to our country.

    The average Democrat voter has no desire to "take your guns". Most Republicans want universal background checks. There is a lot of common ground.

    Moderates? That is where most of our presidents have been, but we seldom portray them that way.
    Many would scoff at the idea that Reagan was fairly moderate. But it is the truth. And, in the political spectrum, Obama was also a moderate. As were both Bush's and both Clintons.

    Your "friends across the isle" are pretty good people. Very few are not.

  • Ricardo Carvalho Provo, UT
    March 28, 2018 5:59 a.m.

    I find it fascinating that despite the emphasis on in the article on the fact that both Democrats and Republicans will accept lies from their own candidates, there are still people on the comment board trying to claim the moral high ground. Please, people, gain some understanding based in research. This is not a Democrat or Republican problem. It is a people problem. We all have an inherent tendency to lower our ethical standards when our position is being supported. Instead of pointing a finger at the other party, we should point the finger back at ourselves and resolve to do better as human beings.

  • Mark from Montana Davis County, UT
    March 28, 2018 5:56 a.m.

    The level we, as US citizens, have dropped to is demoralizing. Yet whenever I try and post a comment about one of our politicians that questions their honesty or trustworthiness , the DNews denies publishing it. Frankly I think the DNews is part of the problem and not the solution.

  • bass679 Novi, MI
    March 28, 2018 5:44 a.m.

    @Chris B
    You had an option to vote for neither. You chose specifically to vote for Mr Trump. You can't hide behind, "lesser of two evils" because you had a 3rd option. Yes, one of them would have still one but instead of making principled stand you picked Mr Trump.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    March 28, 2018 5:44 a.m.

    "Even if they wouldn't want him as a pastor...he seems to be a reliable servant to their political, ideological ambitions..."

    A study recently discussed in a WaPo article found that the idea that America is and should be a fundamentally Christian nation was predictive of whether or not a person, R or D, would vote for Trump.

    @ Sanefan

    "I guess republicans are more honest about lying."

    I wish this were true, but I think the reality is that they're more likely to look away from the lying (and other unfortunate personality issues) and attack something else as tacit justification for their position. Like the "yeah but Hillary" defense. (When the truth is, IMO, they would've voted for Hillary too if she'd been the carrier of the message they wanted to hear.)

    But as the article details, I don't believe liberals do this any better. It's a human nature feature, not an R or D one.

  • Nichol Draper West Jordan, UT
    March 28, 2018 5:41 a.m.

    My first comment was not very nice so it was blocked. But the people who call Trump a liar are the people who didn't vote for him. By many score cards, Trump has delivered on more campaign promises than many presidents. Compare Trump to Obama. Trump said he would pull out of TTP, appoint conservative judges, build a wall, get tough with China, recognize Jerusalem as capital, renegotiate NAFTA, bring back jobs. Trump has made progress on many of these promises from the end of TTP to tariffs on China. Obama said we could keep our health care plans, that he would close Guantanamo Bay and that white people in Pennsylvania have to just accept that jobs wouldn't come back to their area. So, who is a liar?

  • Copybook Headings Draper, UT
    March 28, 2018 4:27 a.m.

    If you like your healthcare plan you can keep it. Period!

    There were no classified emails on my server.

    I did not have sex with that woman; Ms Lewinski.

    Hands up; don't shoot.

    The infantile hypocrisy is simply stunning.

  • In for the long haul! IDAHO FALLS, ID
    March 28, 2018 4:12 a.m.

    About FISA, no lying, just failure to disclose!

  • Sportsfan123 Salt lake, UT
    March 28, 2018 2:45 a.m.

    Of course trump lies, they all do.

    But somehow trump is the worse liar ever, as if a little less lying shows one has more morals than the other.

    "You can keep your doctors", "the ACA is not a tax".

    "I did not have sexual relations with that woman".

    "I did not have classified emails on my private email server".

    "Iraq has weapons of mass destruction".

    Yeah the list goes on and on about which politician lied, and apparently democrat voters will vote for a liar lying on their behalf - hrc won the popular vote by more than 3million, remember.

    I fail to see the validity of this article.

    Classic case of the pot calling the kettle _ _ _ _ _ .

  • CommenterSaid Salt Lake City, UT
    March 28, 2018 12:51 a.m.

    Ok, where to begin?

    1. The fact that women say they are less okay with a candidate that "seems" dishonest probably has less to do with men's predilection for lying than their skepticism of the propaganda-like roles of the media to stack the deck on what "seems" dishonest.

    2. The notion that one party or one sex says that they are less okay with dishonesty is perfectly valid if you believe that nobody lies in surveys, which they do, and this is statistically proven over and over again. This survey has nothing to do with anything beyond different groups saying what they think they should say or what they may believe about themselves. To assume automatic correlation is deeply fallacious.

    3. The answer to these questions vary over time among parties and peoples. Multiple surveys and sources during the Clinton Lewinsky and sexual assault scandals of the 90s showed the majority of Democrats nationally had no problem with the president lying about sex. And Clinton was proven to lie under oath, not accusations of a deeply hostile media.

  • Mainly Me Werribee, 00
    March 28, 2018 12:05 a.m.

    It all depends on which party is in office as to whether or not a liar as president matters. Barry preferred lying when the truth would suffice, but the entire Democrat party and the main stream media supported him. Hillary lied worse than either Barry or Pres. Trump, yet she was supported by the MSM.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    March 27, 2018 11:44 p.m.

    So what, Bill Clinton was elected and re-elected.

    The agenda here cast doubt on the Newspaper credibility.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    March 27, 2018 10:51 p.m.

    When Clinton was having his Monica problems we heard here in Utah "character matters" over and over again. Turns out it doesn't.

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    March 27, 2018 10:50 p.m.

    I guess republicans are more honest about lying.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    March 27, 2018 10:43 p.m.

    We Americans lie all the time. "Sure, I'll have that report to you on Friday." "I did not have sex with that woman." One big lie, one little one.

    There are time when politicians must lie. To protect people's interest, in war situations, in serious and complicated diplomatic situations.

    But Trump lies all the time because, he is simply a liar. Truth is relative to him ... depends on what's in it for him. Washington Post has been counting Trump's likes. Over 2000 since Inauguration Day. He even lied about the Inauguration crowd. Sadly, the GOP has adopted that tactic. Lie all the time and never admit you're lying.

    I used to do that to my mother. "Did you eat that cookie?" "No, Gary ate it." "I did not!" "Yes you did".... Trumps lies seem to be on about that level.

  • james d. morrison Sandy, UT
    March 27, 2018 10:40 p.m.

    play by the rules- There was no lying to get the FISA warrant. It was all spelled out in the application.

  • FreedomFighter41 Provo, UT
    March 27, 2018 10:37 p.m.

    Anyone wonder how Hitler and the Nazis came into power? This is how. Immoral people valued lies more than truth.

    Honestly, if this is all Christianity in America has to offer, then it needs to die out as quickly as possible. It's clearly not having the positive effect that it's supposed to have.

    The pride cycle is reaching critical mass. Who's going to humble our nation?

  • The Educator South Jordan, UT
    March 27, 2018 10:33 p.m.


    How completely and utterly deplorable.

    Tribe over country, ethics, values.

    The immorality of the right cannot be rejected fast enough this fall. Vote them all out!

    Get Educated

  • play by the rules South Jordan, UT
    March 27, 2018 10:17 p.m.

    The Democrats lied to us for years and the press was nowhere to be found. Consider: Fast & Furious, Benghazi, IRS Targeting, Clinton Foundation abuses, Clinton email scandals, Loretta Lynch on the Tarmac, lying to get a FISA warrant. Perhaps Republicans have come to expect the media to lie so they protect their democrat allies.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    March 27, 2018 10:16 p.m.

    It’s all relative

    If the choice was lying trump or lying Hillary, then yes I’d vote for a liar. And it wouldn’t be lying Hillary.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    March 27, 2018 10:15 p.m.