Rick Santorum: Students should learn CPR, not seek gun laws

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  • UtahnAbroad Sandy, UT
    March 29, 2018 6:21 p.m.

    Gun laws do work. Look at what happened in Australia in 1996. They had one mass shooting and tightened down the laws.

    Guess what? No more shootings!
    Sure, you can still commit violent crimes. But I would much rather take my chances with a guy with a knife than a guy with an AR-15.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    March 26, 2018 9:38 p.m.

    This is why it can't be too soon for these kids to begin voting.

    Voting OUT politicians like Santorum.

  • pragmatistferlife Salt Lake City, UT
    March 26, 2018 6:13 p.m.

    Realism.."Fact: Gun ownership is on the dramatic rise in America.
    Fact: Overall gun violence is in significant decline in America."

    First of all correlation does not prove causation.

    Secondly, two more facts..Remington just filed for bankruptcy today siting gun sales as a major reason..apparently with a white man in office we don't need to stockpile weapons.

    About 3% of the population owns 50% of all guns..not a particularly supportive statistic for more guns stop violence unless that 5% roam around a lot.

  • RC in WJ WEST JORDAN, UT
    March 26, 2018 4:31 p.m.

    Santorum just handed a battle cry that the Dems. will use to paint every Repub. that is running for office, as a AR toting radical that thinks all the young voters should learn CPR instead of protesting and voting. They will hammer the 18yr. olds with it on a daily basis from now until November. The more the Repubs. insult, demean and ridicule the Kids the more resolved they will become.

    My numbers might be wrong but I would guess if they counted all those in the marches held in the USA there would be at least 3 million. Many of those are now old enough to vote. By Nov. many more will be old enough to vote, and surely by 2020 most of them will be voters. Not to mention each has parents and grand parents.

    Young people are notoriously lax in voting, but the same thing will happen this time as did in 2008. They are energized as never before, and Santorum gave them a shot of adrenaline!

    As they say "enough is enough"!

  • 1aggie SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    March 26, 2018 3:20 p.m.

    Chicago’s handgun ban was overturned by the Supreme Court in 2010.

    “Neither Wisconsin nor Indiana requires licenses or permits to purchase a gun, for example, nor do they require waiting periods.

    And there's good evidence that being next-door to those states keeps Chicago criminals well-supplied with guns. A 2015 study of guns in Chicago, co-authored by Cook, (Fuke University) found that more than 60 percent of new guns used in Chicago gang-related crimes and 31.6 percent used in non-gang-related crimes between 2009 and 2013 were bought in other states. Indiana was a particularly heavy supplier, providing nearly one-third of the gang guns and nearly one-fifth of the non-gang guns.

    Other evidence corroborates this — a 2014 Chicago Police Department report found that Indiana accounted for 19 percent of all guns recovered by the department between 2009 and 2013.”
    (NPR)

  • Realism337 Draper, UT
    March 26, 2018 10:23 a.m.

    One more thing, where perhaps Santorum is on to something:

    How many MSDHS students ostracized and bullied the eventual gunman, Cruz?
    How many kids participating in last weekend’s march have engaged in cyber-bullying, and continue to do so with impudence?
    Alternatively, how many students at MSDHS tried to reach out and help Cruz? How many extended any form of kindness?

    I’ve seen how kids treat each other, particularly through today’s technology. It isn’t pretty. Are we sure we want to anoint this group “our nation’s next great generation.” Time for a sanity-check. These kids are no better than any generation that preceded them.

  • TAS Tehachapi, CA
    March 26, 2018 10:00 a.m.

    In other words, Santorum is saying stop bothering us, we politicians have A GOOD THING GOING, with NRA financing and support

  • Realism337 Draper, UT
    March 26, 2018 9:58 a.m.

    Fact: Gun ownership is on the dramatic rise in America.
    Fact: Overall gun violence is in significant decline in America.
    Fact: People who want to kill other people will find a way to do it.
    Fact: Liberals—you’re not getting the 300M+ guns in our country, regardless of ANY gun laws.
    Fact: Gun violence in America is an extremely complicated issue and will not be resolved easily.

    Rick Santorum: That is quite possibly the most stupid thing I’ve ever heard concerning our needed efforts to eliminate gun violence.

  • Thomas Jefferson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 26, 2018 9:30 a.m.

    Mainly Me said:
    "The gun control haven of the United Kingdom has the highest violent crime rate in Europe."

    And their crime rate is much lower that the USA. Durr.

    "Where I currently live, Australia, you read about multiple stabbings every week."

    Ooohhh, stabbings? And they havent had a mass shooting since Port Arthur. I dont think there is one person in this country who wouldnt trade our weekly shootings for stabbings. Much more survivable.

    "Sydney-west has drive-by shootings on a regular basis."

    And we have school shootings with dead children on a regular basis. Your argument isnt the trump card you seem to think.

    Zabilde said:
    "You can't buy a handgun in Indiana if you live in Illinois, it's illegal."

    Yep, Illinois residents can only buy long guns in Indiana. You didnt make much of a case here. And I bet that the NRA believes that restriction is against the constitution. Also, Why would a gang banger bother driving to Indiana when they can buy a gun from a guy on the street?

    Another Perspective said:

    "Also if kids would practice kindness school shootings would drastically decrease or even be non existent."

    Which isnt based on any objective measure.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, WA
    March 26, 2018 8:57 a.m.

    Seriously?
    Is this what Republicans think?

    I've seen gun shot victims when I was in the military,
    it's like TV with shots to the gut, torso or hand using a broken ketchup bag for special effects.

    Tell us, what good is CPR when a kid's head is split open like a watermelon?

  • 1aggie SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    March 26, 2018 8:48 a.m.

    First, a student stopping to administer CPR during a shooting is going to result in the death of the would-be rescuer.
    Second, administering CPR to someone shot by an AR 15 is of little use. AR 15s obliterate whatever they hit. Most victims quickly bleed out.

    Chicago does not have the highest homicide rate per capita. St Louis, New Orleans, Detroit, Baltimore, Kansas City, Cleveland all have higher homicide rates.

  • Another Perspective Bountiful, UT
    March 26, 2018 7:52 a.m.

    This is actually very good advice. If guns could be gotten rid of, most people (except the strongest and quickest among us) would be much less able to provide an effective defense for themselves and their family.

    Also if kids would practice kindness school shootings would drastically decrease or even be non existent.

    And finally I am not willing to give up my family's defense to protect students who refuse to be kind to each other.

  • Zabilde Riverdale, UT
    March 26, 2018 7:04 a.m.

    Chicago strict gun laws, mostly safe except for the south-side where the vast majority of the violence occurs. Hutterite and others wants to blame it on the lax laws in the surrounding states. Yet those states don't suffer anywhere near the levels of crime. You can't buy a handgun in Indiana if you live in Illinois, it's illegal. And then there were the hundred+ firearms recently stolen from railcars in the Chicago Rail yards. Are you certain it's lax laws in neighboring states? Because if it were easy to obtain firearms those neighboring states would have the crime not heavily restricted Chicago.

    CPR isn't really valid advice, but neither is the clamor to restrict a constitutionally guaranteed right.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    March 26, 2018 6:43 a.m.

    Oh, so now we had tourniquets to the mantra "thoughts and prayers" after yet another massacre of young people, church attendees or concert goers?

    That is the GOP solution? "Thoughts and prayers" were not cure enough. So we say "thoughts and prayers and tourniquets" to stop the slaughter of innocents.

    Enough is enough.

  • cthulhu_fhtagn Seattle, WA
    March 26, 2018 12:44 a.m.

    @Mainly Me

    Yeah, we also have stabbings here in the U.S.....in addition to the firearm-inflicted murder rate (which is roughly 10x higher than that of Australia (32.5 per million compared to a whopping 3 in Australia)). I'd settle for just the stabbings, personally.

  • my_two_cents_worth university place, WA
    March 26, 2018 12:24 a.m.

    @eigerjoe

    "I think the point that Rick Santorum is trying to make is for these kids to quit wasting their time on something that is not going to happen..."

    I keep asking what the number of deaths of school children in mass school shootings that will shock us enough as a society that we finally take serious action to reduce the violence. The question has been answered.

  • cthulhu_fhtagn Seattle, WA
    March 25, 2018 9:05 p.m.

    In the subtext of his words are two admissions: gun control is necessary, just unrealistic (hence we must resign to living in a world where at any given time we might have to resuscitate our loved ones), and the U.S. government is useless.

  • Mainly Me Werribee, 00
    March 25, 2018 8:34 p.m.

    @Millenial Snow

    Have you ever lived in Europe or any other country? I have: 3 to be exact. The gun control haven of the United Kingdom has the highest violent crime rate in Europe. Where I currently live, Australia, you read about multiple stabbings every week. Sydney-west has drive-by shootings on a regular basis. It isn't the gun or knife that's the problem, it's society that's the problem. It's the glorification of violence that is the common denominator with all societies that is the problem.

    Taking away our rights is not the solution.

  • what?! Sandy, UT
    March 25, 2018 8:28 p.m.

    @eigerjoe to suggest these "naÏve children are not interested in any solution except repealing the Second Amendment" is WRONG!!

    Have you visited the March For Our Lives website and read their mission statement? Have you taken a moment to understand what they are trying to do in the hopes of saving lives? To simply say they want to repeal the second amendment is misinformed.

    I'm certainly not for repealing the second amendment, but why is it so hard to understand the other side of the argument? My frustration is that any mention of a conversation around guns and how to make schools safer for our children suddenly leads those with differing viewpoints to the conclusion/assumption that that must mean repealing the second amendment and the right to bear arms...and that's not it at all.

    What happened to constructive conversation?

    Unfortunately, comments like those made by Rick Santorum and others become distractions and make those who make them look insensitive, disconnected and completely tone deaf.

  • fdelaware Millville, UT
    March 25, 2018 7:39 p.m.

    I hope you all remember, these kids will outlive all of us. Their voting block will be greater than the rest of us put together. You can disagree with or mock them, you can call them actors or pawns for someone else's agenda, but they are awake, active, and fighting.

    I suspect they'll remember all those who tried to hold them back.

  • Logit ,
    March 25, 2018 7:29 p.m.

    Let's see... there are roughly 50 million U.S. schoolchildren. If they all learned CPR, that would indeed likely save more lives over the next ten years than banging our heads against the NRA lobby and trying to pass, what'd be at best, some sort of token gun law change. (Like outlawing bump stocks is really going to stop a determined wacko?)

    Protests and placards sure do feel good. They let's us publicly vent our emotion over recent tragedies. But they lead us to believe the solution lies outside ourselves and in the form of a heavier government and laws.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    March 25, 2018 7:21 p.m.

    "Let's look at the gun-control mecca of Chicago, IL. They have some of the strictest gun-control laws in the country. How are those laws working out?"

    Badly. Very, very badly. Because Chicago sits in the centre of an enormous hodgepodge of suburban communities in three states, with all kinds of other gun laws in play. Guns, it seems are portable, and one gun shop in nearby Riverdale has more than taken up the challenge. And it is one among dozens which ring the city.

    That's why we need a national solution when it comes to gun laws. No schoolhouse, nor city, is an island.

  • Sutton Cedar City, UT
    March 25, 2018 7:04 p.m.

    I agree with the idea that learning CPR, even young children learning it, is a valuable tool and can save lives.

    I disagree with the idea that it will do anything about the massive, extreme, off the charts gun deaths we have in this country.

  • Unreconstructed Reb Chantilly, VA
    March 25, 2018 6:59 p.m.

    "Santorum pulls back the covers...and the sheeple howl.

    Priceless.

    He's right, but the do-gooders will eat him alive for saying it."

    Tell me how CPR will help someone whose internal organs have been shredded by a high-velocity 5.56mm round that has tumbled around inside their body. Read what happened to the bodies of 1st graders at Sandy Hook, and then come back and call people "sheeple."

  • eigerjoe Sandy, UT
    March 25, 2018 6:57 p.m.

    These young inexperienced children are not protesting for school safety. They are protesting the Second Amendment. There are many things that can be done to improve school safety, but these naÏve children are not interested in any solution except repealing the Second Amendment which is completely simplistic and unrealistic. I think the point that Rick Santorum is trying to make is for these kids to quit wasting their time on something that is not going to happen and do something that may actually help.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    March 25, 2018 6:43 p.m.

    CPR is useless with a bullet-ridden body.

  • Mainly Me Werribee, 00
    March 25, 2018 6:24 p.m.

    " 'phony gun laws' that don't work."

    Indeed! Let's look at the gun-control mecca of Chicago, IL. They have some of the strictest gun-control laws in the country. How are those laws working out? From Wikipedia: "The city's overall crime rate, especially the violent crime rate, is substantially higher than the US average. Chicago was responsible for nearly half of 2016's increase in homicides in the US, though national crime rates stayed near historic lows."

    Chicago murder rate is 28.1/100,000 persons.

    Now, let's look at a city that has a very high gun ownership and lax gun laws: Plano, TX.

    Plano murder rate is 1.7/100,000 persons.

    It would seem that gun-control laws don't work. I guess that's because criminals and the mentally ill ignore those laws. Go figure.

  • well informed Salt Lake, UT
    March 25, 2018 6:16 p.m.

    What an incensitive thing to say. I hope he is embarrassed.

    I wonder if he would have the courage to say this to the faces of the shooting victim's families.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    March 25, 2018 5:39 p.m.

    Santorum pulls back the covers...and the sheeple howl.

    Priceless.

    He's right, but the do-gooders will eat him alive for saying it.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    March 25, 2018 5:26 p.m.

    It is how and where CPR is peformed.

    This is the last person I thought I would ever hear a comment like this from.

    Not!

  • DarthMaul Vernal, UT
    March 25, 2018 5:17 p.m.

    Now I'm finally grasping why you didn't become POTUS......LOL!

  • cthulhu_fhtagn Seattle, WA
    March 25, 2018 5:12 p.m.

    "They took action to ask someone to pass a law. They didn't take action to say, 'How do I, as an individual, deal with this problem?"

    For example, when he was in office, the local gun lobby didn't merely ask him to deal with their problems. They PAID him more than $115K. Now THAT's civic proactivity.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    March 25, 2018 5:10 p.m.

    Profound thinking by a lead spokesman for the right. This should solve everything. Students can take tourniquets in their backpacks to school.

  • cthulhu_fhtagn Seattle, WA
    March 25, 2018 4:50 p.m.

    Haha remember when this guy ran for president? That was cute.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    March 25, 2018 4:40 p.m.

    That was the most inane comment I've heard on a Sunday show in a long time. Why not teach kids triage and how to perform battlefield surgery, Mr. Santorum?

  • shamrock Salt Lake City, UT
    March 25, 2018 4:30 p.m.

    When groups rally against the carnage caused by drunk and distracted driving, does Santorum tell them that their protests are a waste of time, that they'd be better off learning CPR or taking the bus?

    These kids are begging our lawmakers to take meaningful action to STOP these mass shootings. By assuming that there's nothing Congress can do and telling our kids that they should simply learn how to minister to the wounded, Santorum is not only minimizing the problem, but abdicating his Congressional responsibility.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    March 25, 2018 4:25 p.m.

    What an astonishingly tone deaf comment to make about this situation. The students did take action, and will continue to do so, to address school shootings and gun violence in general.

    And there is Santorum, one of the fiddlers at Rome's burning. I hope he, and many like him, are things of the past.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    March 25, 2018 4:15 p.m.

    We as a nation have a massive collision of viewpoints on the issue of guns... which means we'll be seeing a lot more gun purchases.

    Maybe we'll see charter schools trying to set up shop inside airport terminals.

  • hobblecreek CA, 00
    March 25, 2018 4:15 p.m.

    Stunned ignorance is the only words that come to mind.
    This younger generation is showing us over and over again where the intelligence and future of America lies. Their actions contrasted to the comments of Rick Santorum couldn't provide more significant proof of why they are the generation to lead America.

  • Millenial Snow Sandy, UT
    March 25, 2018 3:26 p.m.

    I'm so sick of these stupid solutions to the problem.
    It's video games!
    It's Hollywood!
    It's bullying!
    It's mental illness!

    No. It's guns. You think people in Europe or Australia or Japan don't watch movies? Play video games? Have problems with mental illness or bullying?

    Their gun laws are tighter. It is too easy for people to get guns. Guns that can shoot hundreds of rounds in a few minutes. I'm so sick of these dumb excuses, I hope they all get voted out.

  • SMcloud Sandy, UT
    March 25, 2018 3:24 p.m.

    How exactly does CPR prevent school shootings?