Watcher1:"Aaaa . . . wrong. Guns were created for shooting sports, for
target practice, for hunting, and for PREVENTING crime and destruction."Shooting sports? Let me use your logic again, and say that's like
saying cars were created to race and win NASCAR...um, no they were created to
get from one place to another in a shorter amount of time...you know,
transportation. Sure it's fun to shoot targets, etc but that's not
what firearms were CREATED for. I'm sure when our founding fathers were
drawing up the second amendment, target practice and sport-shooting were their
primary concern. And I don't know how you hunt but I shoot to kill...and
the only way guns PREVENT crime is because of their threat to do harm, or their
ability to actually KILL a criminal. Guns were created as weapons...weapons are
created to kill/neutralize food or threats, period. I'd rather some wacko
have a really difficult time ever getting their hands on such weapons, and any
true gun rights advocate agrees. Our right to bear arms comes under fire every
time said wacko falls through the cracks...trying to sure up the cracks
isn't anti-2nd amendment, it's actually responsible and patriotic.
Amen to the comments in support of self reliance and constitutional freedom to
be armed and able to defend self, family and our society.Booo to the
comments of people who protest that new laws are the answer. Do you really not
know and understand it is already against the law to murder?
Most people agree that one came from God
Himself. Uhhh, do criminals and evil men obey laws? This really is not
difficult to figure out! Self discipline and moral behavior only comes from
inside......not from outside.... by some politician's law.
Cougsndawgs says, "I am an owner of multiple handguns and rifles...and I
make no bones about the measure of their creation being solely to destroy and
kill. " Aaaa . . . wrong. Guns were created for shooting sports, for
target practice, for hunting, and for PREVENTING crime and destruction. If they
were only meant for creating harm and carnage, then how about you start a
movement to prohibit all police and public officials from having access to them?
After all, we don't want anyone actually killed, do we? And if you think
the government has all the power, ability, and motivation to properly regulate
and control all means of defense, then your experiences have been much different
than mine, where I spent 1/3 of a century working with and for government. If
you really believe that guns are only for creating havoc and carnage, maybe you
should dispose of YOURS . . . but I plan on keeping mine.
Here's the story: A bunch of teenage children spoke up about how totally
bad the feel about guns. The government finally took away all of the guns and
criminal behavior magically disappeared forever and they all lived happily ever
after. The End."The sword is not the killer; it is the tool in
the killer's hand." -- Seneca.
Watcher !:"Cars don't cause drunk driving deaths. Bookkeeping
systems don't cause embezzlement. Containers and packaging don't cause
public liter. Swimming pools, rivers, and oceans don't cause drownings.
Physical appendages and characteristics don't cause rapes and sexual
assaults. Time for some actual logic--unfashionable as it may be".I am an owner of multiple handguns and rifles...and I make no bones about the
measure of their creation being solely to destroy and kill. I know that, and you
know that. Cars were created for transportation, bookkeeping was created to
maintain financial strength, packaging and containers were created for shipping
and preservation purposes...etc, etc, etc. Whatever deaths occur because of
these "logical" examples of yours is an unfortunate consequence of using
them in a way they were not designed to use. When a gun destroys, and/or kills
it did precisely what it was designed to do. I love the 2nd amendment, and I
love my guns...but common sense, or "logic" as you put it, is required.
Regulation is what keeps irresponsible people from parking nukes and warheads in
their backyard. Is it not reasonable to regulate arms?
Move along folks...there's nothing to see here. . It's a moment and
it will pass... the hunting of our children will continue. . I am sorry
folks...but when my Republican legislators have the choice of doing
something..anything..to possibly stop the killing of our children..vs...
pleasing the NRA...well...it's been obvious for years...no contest here
folks...the NRA always wins! . Our Republican legislators do NOT want to get
the NRA upset or put in jeopardy the thirty pieces of silver they get from them.
. Just a fact of life folks. . This "moment" will be gone shortly
but the NRA lives on forever. . Move along folks...there's nothing to see
These students would be far better served if they would eliminate the bullying
in their school.If they would make sure nobody eats lunch alone. Last
year nearly 1600 youth committed suicide. We lose more kids to texting and
driving than gun violence. The opiate epidemic kills more students per month ,
than every US school shooting combined . But those are issues largely ignored.
What is in their power is to ensure everyone is treated with dignity and
I am being asked to give up my guns to keep these protesting students safe.In that case I ask that they forgo the use of a car or any vehicle for
the rest of their lives.In Europe where guns are hard to come by,
people intent on murdering others have used trucks on busy streets to kill large
numbers of people.
There are too many guns and too many people who for one reason or another want
to kill other people with guns. The gun arguments are never going to stop.
The least we can do as a gun crazy society is "secure the interior" of
all schools by immediately installing metal detectors at every entrance. This
security measure works well to keep the interiors of our airports and planes
safe from gun violence and deaths. Unfortunately, Utah is extremely
Pro-gun/NRA. The same old, blah, blah, blah, and worn out excuses will be made,
and metal detectors won't be installed at schools. The children of Utah
have my upmost sympathy.
I support the kids. We need to listen to our children. Doing
nothing is not working. Time for common sense gun control. I am a gun owner and second amendment supporter. But enough
It is very sad that most of the shootings in schools were done by other
students. There is very little or no emphasis on students’ behaviors and
civility in schools, but on guns. It is also sad that these young people are
encouraged and manipulated by adult activists to promote their agendas. We all
want no violence in schools. But what we want is completely different from
If the government really wants to stop this sort of behavior, there is only one
way to do it, and since it would annoy some Americans it likely never will be
used. Let's begin teaching the differences between right an wrong! We had
no problem with it when I was in school, and it wasn't a church group that
did it. I went to school during the second world war! We knew what was right
and what was wrong and it was agreed upon by parents, school teachers, police
and even Washington DC! It didn't stop kids from doing wrong things, but
they were well aware that what they were doing was Wrong. Try that today and
you'd likely end up in a Federal Prison or at least be fired! Marches will
do no good and fake laws won't help a bit. When I went to school, everyone
knew it was wrong to hurt or maim anyone, and those whom forgot were
disciplined! We aslo had asylums where in we could keep criminally minded
persons away from the public! Asylums weren't nice and sometimes they were
used as political solutions, but they did keep people away for the public when
they might hurt others!
I love it when someone is out there telling us what is and what isn't
"necessary." Pretty soon they'll be telling you that the only tool
you really need is a butter knife, and you can just learn to make do with that,
because some elitist or academic mind has decided you don't really
"need" anything else. Yes, these are the same voices that will tell you
that the 2nd Amendment was only there to authorize the military to be armed, and
to tell you that it's now outmoded since we have weapons that will fire
multiple rounds. This is all asinine nonsense. Just like with every other
crime, the problem is with the perpetrator(s), not the tools. Cars don't
cause drunk driving deaths. Bookkeeping systems don't cause embezzlement.
Containers and packaging don't cause public liter. Swimming pools, rivers,
and oceans don't cause drownings. Physical appendages and characteristics
don't cause rapes and sexual assaults. Time for some actual
logic--unfashionable as it may be.
I imagine we'll find out this fall and again in 2020 if they follow through
on their rage towards us over our years of inaction and VOTE!
None of these people are able to explain how their proffered "solutions"
will actually work. Conversely they reject out of hand allowing teachers to be
armed; something that actually could protect students.
And at these rallies, the kids will:Burn the violent video games.Burn the rap music.Burn the DVDs.Call me when that happens.
Otherwise, they got no skin in the game.
It's not a moment or a movement. It's a manipulation of children by a
Showing amazing irony or hypocrisy (or both), one of the demands is that the age
for purchase of a rifle or shotgun be raised to 21 (same as for handguns)
because 18 year old are not mature enough to make good decisions.But, we are supposed to take advice from this large groups of mostly under 18
year olds because they are so smart.In reality, they are being
skillfully manipulated by adults who are long time anti-gun activists.The problem is not going to be solved by more gun control laws, but by
enforcing those we have and by controlling people who make threats of violence
or who are mentally ill. But, that is not the agenda of this march's
organizers. (Or this newspaper.)
....Bo..."It is clear that Millennials have tuned out the political
rhetoric. They have been hoodwinked and manipulated. "Meh," is their
response to politics."This is not Millennials, this is the vast
majority of Americans.78%...78% of adult Americans do not own a gun.
50%..50% of all guns are owned by 3% of the population. This is
America standing up to the "radical" gun lobby and saying enough is
enough. Gun legislation will not change human nature, but protests,
and legislation can change a culture promoted by a minority that is killing our
children. Banning AR 15's doesn't eliminate murder but it
can drastically effect the carnage.The conversation can no longer be
dictated by a minority of citizens and an industry promoting self interest with
death of children as a result.
Only a moment... it will fade away when the celebs jump into something new and
wonderful In the meantime our constitution will survive even though
ignorant politicians on both sides of the aisle try to trample over it
Good topic and feedback here so I thought I would share what we are implementing
here in New Mexico. We are teaching teachers self-defense and active shooter
incorporating the Defense Alert Device. (Military grade pepper spray that has
GPS/Crowd Alert technology that notifies other staff, security personnel,
contact list designees, and anyone within a miles radius that they are in danger
with their location on a map). This technology and device is doing more to
improve safety in our schools, immediately, than anything I’m aware of.
This isn’t just an active shooter only issue, it’s an
overall pervasive violence of the day issue. We had an instance two days ago
where a former student walked onto a high school campus that resulted in a short
foot chase. In his backpack was duct tape, mask, gloves, etc. So, guns is not
the only solution needed. There is no one product that answers all
these potential situations. The solution the D.A.D. offers is the ability to
KNOW the location of whatever violence of the day is happening and make a better
informed response as a teacher (which now has the ability to have a non-lethal
response), security, and or police.
My thoughts and prayers are with them. It really sounds to me like all
this is still emotion driven. This was bully violence. The media bias makes me
sick. If kids are so in to this I wish they would understand what they
bandwagoning for. This is about a bully and the fact this guy didn't get
One of the signs says? Protect NRA? Protect KidsThe
choice is yoursAsking why does it have to be a choice?These kids can protect themselves by practicing kindness every day to all
people. They do this and no student or former student will come back to hurt
I think the youth are seeing a problem that adults either don't want to
deal with or have rationalized into accepting. They aren't throwing labels
on people, they are starting to solve a problem that is real. It would be good
if we listened and solved the problem. I'm sure if we don't they will
eventually and that will make it a movement and not a moment.
In order to prevent school shootings, we need to be vigilant. Protecting our
children should be our biggest priority (whatever they think). With the last
two school shootings it is apparent that we need qualified, trained and
motivated officers in our schools. Remember the Trolley Square shooter and how
he was stopped. I will love it when the lion can lay down with the lamb. Until
then we need to be prepared. We should not look at the 2nd amendment as a
problem, but as a solution. We should never give up our right to self defense.
We also need to find ways to better help the mentally ill. Let's approach
this problem from these two avenues, protecting our children and helping them
with their mental illness problems.
I agree let's and gun violence and school shootings. That being said
don't mess with my second amendment rights.
Evidently the marchers and protesters are appealing for more government and more
laws. Yeah, just what we need. Take a close look at the recent Florida
situation that precipitated all this latest uproar, and you'll find that it
was government that failed and dropped the ball in every way. The perpetrator
even posted online warnings that he was an aspiring school shooter. Law
enforcement had been warned about him and visited him multiple times. Then,
when he did attack, law enforcement dropped the ball by failing to engage him
and neutralize the threat. Anyone familiar with government and monopolistic
public organizations knows that it's all run basically 100% on pure
politics, and there's little accountability involved at all. They can
afford to drop the ball, because they're "the only game in town."
Read up on the Jaycee Dugard situation in California, where government dropped
the ball MULTIPLE times in failing to protect this young gal from a vicious
predator. Don't tell me how more government and more laws are going to
make everything wonderful. It's a sad (though persistent) delusion.
A person has to be severely delusional to actually believe that the government
can pass laws and enforce restrictions that will prevent things like mass
killings. This is proven over and over by looking at the places which have the
highest number of murders, which are also the places where there are the most
restrictive gun laws. Also, notice that most mass shootings take place in
"gun free" zones, where predators can feel pretty confident that they
won't be meeting any armed resistance. When I was in Dallas, I noticed
that there were many gun stores, pawn shops and the like in the east downtown
area; I also noticed that most of the workers were "carrying." I
never heard of them getting robbed EVER, for obvious reasons. Like I say, I
would think basic logic would play a role, but this is obviously not the case
with this emotional issue.
@Sanefan"Everything is so simple, until you actually think about
it and analyze it."Good advice. So, I encourage you to think
about it and analyze it, starting with this analysis:Do cars have a
purpose besides killing? Do guns?See, once you start to think about
it and analyze it, your mind will become open to ideas other than your
"With great power comes great responsibility":If you want to
be a gun-owner like I am, and carry powerful weapons with the ability to
neutralize multiple threats with a high capacity magazine, you better be
responsible, trained, and capable of doing so both mentally and physically.
Otherwise, you put everyone at risk, including those of us who love and support
the 2nd amendment. Regulation of arms is not new...it's been
the standard for 2 centuries upheld by SCOTUS. Regulations that require waiting
lists, stricter and more thorough background check processes, and limits on the
kind of weapons used are a requirement for maintaining peace in our communities.
Bumpstocks aren't necessary...armor piercing rounds aren't
necessary...hallow point bullets are not necessary to protect one's family.
"Shall not be infringed" does not mean, and has never meant,
"shall not be regulated". It's time to take off the tinfoil hats
and listen to reason. As Christ put it, "Out of the mouth of babes and
sucklings thou hast perfected praise". Time to listen to our children.
I for one am proud of these young people. It gives me hope that the next
generation will be an improvement over what we see about us today.
Biut since automobiles were brought up, let’s discuss responsible. Far
more people are killed in this country every year by automobiles, by so called
responsible drivers, than by guns. You see the difficulty with these arguments.
Everything is so simple, until you actually think about it and analyze it.
Because Jim, who gets to determine what is responsible, you , me, the government
(which is oh so irresponsible)? The argument using automobiles is bogus, as
they are a privilege to operate not an enumerated RIGHT in the Bill of Rights.
You also sort of exposed a limited understanding of our Constitution and Bill oF
Rights, as the 2nd Amendment was NEVER about hunting.
Despite what the NRA will claim, nobody...not even the super-liberals in New
York who would shut down the government over transgendered bathrooms (I'm
not one of them) wants to take guns away from people who need hand guns for
protection, or want rifles for sport shooting. But it's far too easy for
too many people to buy weapons that are far too powerful than what you need to
shoot a deer in the woods or a bad guy breaking into your home. As a driver, I
want only responsible people...who have passed appropriate tests...to drive
cars. As a churchgoer, I want only responsible people...who have passed
appropriates tests...to minister the word of God. So why shouldn't all gun
owners only want responsible people to own guns?
It could be a movement for all life. It would be amazing if the pro-life
community could coop this March and use it as an opportunity to promote the
safety and lives of both current and FUTURE students.
Based on the profile of most of these liberals this march will quickly turn into
a riot where they loot stores and burn things.Nice movement.
I hope nobody opens fire on them during their demonstration....then they might
understand why only a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun. It is
not Democrat or Republican politics. It is common sense. Average response time
of a cop is 30 minutes. Average response time of my .357 magnum is 1200 feet per
second.Reminder from history: Joseph Smith surrendered the weapons of the
Nauvoo Legion for peace, political correctness, to please his neighbors.
Immediately after, he was jailed, murdered, and LDS were driven out of USA by
mobs to a barren desert. By contrast, it was not by prayer that LDS defeated
Johnston's U.S. Army during the Utah War. Almost forgotten LDS scripture
states "we believe that all men are justified in defending themselves, their
friends, and property, and the government, from the unlawful assaults and
encroachments of all persons in times of exigency, where immediate appeal cannot
be made to the laws, and relief afforded." D&C 134:11
What makes this different is the backing of media outlets, BOTH parties and
(oddly) Lyft.It is clear that Millennials have tuned out the
political rhetoric. They have been hoodwinked and manipulated. "Meh," is
their response to politics.The elites do not want that to happen to
Gen Z, so they've created this "movement" to appease them.
And they are all trying very hard to be the group that gets credit for leading
the parade. I give them a couple of years to figure out the scam.
@at long last...: "Until the angry masses involved know the difference
between semi-automatic and automatic..."I don't care. The
difference makes no difference. I want to make sure
"responsible" gun owners are actually responsible. I want
national databases that track **all** violent criminals - including domestic
violence - and remove weapons and access to weapons from them. I
want "responsible" gun owners who's weapon is used in a crime to be
treated as accessory, and to be charged and jailed. If the "responsible"
gun owner in Maryland had actually been responsible his murderous son would not
have had access and a young woman would be alive. He should be charged, jailed
without bond, and tried as an accessory who aided a premeditated act of first
degree murder. I want so-called "responsible" gun owners to
It's a lot easier to march in the name of "doing something" than to
actually do something that would make a difference - like treating each other
Alas, this movement is merely part of the liberal resistance to the current
administration and the idea of an armed citizenry. Until the angry masses
involved know the difference between semi-automatic and automatic I won't
see it as anything other than people with nothing better to do with their lives
than protest - in vain - about the second amendment. Protest for the sake of
protest doesn't do anything to solve the problem, does it?
It is a movement. The visible part is the marches. The strength is
the organization and connection, education and motivation. As we saw
in Alabama, get out the vote works, and we are absolutely motivated.
That 'these protests and marches' are becoming so regular is a
harbinger of things not being well in the nation. The status quo is no longer
acceptable as a solution to our problems. The old boys' network, the smug
lobbyists, it all has to go.
Since these protests and marches are getting to be daily occurances they are
Let's hope is a strong, loud, long-lasting, and EFFECTIVE movement.