Is Saturday’s 'March for Our Lives' a moment or a movement?

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  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    March 27, 2018 10:01 a.m.

    Watcher1:
    "Aaaa . . . wrong. Guns were created for shooting sports, for target practice, for hunting, and for PREVENTING crime and destruction."

    Shooting sports? Let me use your logic again, and say that's like saying cars were created to race and win NASCAR...um, no they were created to get from one place to another in a shorter amount of time...you know, transportation. Sure it's fun to shoot targets, etc but that's not what firearms were CREATED for. I'm sure when our founding fathers were drawing up the second amendment, target practice and sport-shooting were their primary concern. And I don't know how you hunt but I shoot to kill...and the only way guns PREVENT crime is because of their threat to do harm, or their ability to actually KILL a criminal. Guns were created as weapons...weapons are created to kill/neutralize food or threats, period. I'd rather some wacko have a really difficult time ever getting their hands on such weapons, and any true gun rights advocate agrees. Our right to bear arms comes under fire every time said wacko falls through the cracks...trying to sure up the cracks isn't anti-2nd amendment, it's actually responsible and patriotic.

  • Warbunny Puyallup, WA
    March 25, 2018 2:29 a.m.

    Amen to the comments in support of self reliance and constitutional freedom to be armed and able to defend self, family and our society.
    Booo to the comments of people who protest that new laws are the answer. Do you really not know and understand it is already against the law to murder? Most people agree that one came from God Himself. Uhhh, do criminals and evil men obey laws?
    This really is not difficult to figure out! Self discipline and moral behavior only comes from inside......not from outside.... by some politician's law.

  • Watcher1 Sandy, UT
    March 24, 2018 11:34 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs says, "I am an owner of multiple handguns and rifles...and I make no bones about the measure of their creation being solely to destroy and kill. " Aaaa . . . wrong. Guns were created for shooting sports, for target practice, for hunting, and for PREVENTING crime and destruction. If they were only meant for creating harm and carnage, then how about you start a movement to prohibit all police and public officials from having access to them? After all, we don't want anyone actually killed, do we? And if you think the government has all the power, ability, and motivation to properly regulate and control all means of defense, then your experiences have been much different than mine, where I spent 1/3 of a century working with and for government. If you really believe that guns are only for creating havoc and carnage, maybe you should dispose of YOURS . . . but I plan on keeping mine.

  • justasimpleguy Provo, UT
    March 24, 2018 3:53 p.m.

    Here's the story: A bunch of teenage children spoke up about how totally bad the feel about guns. The government finally took away all of the guns and criminal behavior magically disappeared forever and they all lived happily ever after. The End.

    "The sword is not the killer; it is the tool in the killer's hand." -- Seneca.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    March 24, 2018 11:17 a.m.

    Watcher !:
    "Cars don't cause drunk driving deaths. Bookkeeping systems don't cause embezzlement. Containers and packaging don't cause public liter. Swimming pools, rivers, and oceans don't cause drownings. Physical appendages and characteristics don't cause rapes and sexual assaults. Time for some actual logic--unfashionable as it may be".

    I am an owner of multiple handguns and rifles...and I make no bones about the measure of their creation being solely to destroy and kill. I know that, and you know that. Cars were created for transportation, bookkeeping was created to maintain financial strength, packaging and containers were created for shipping and preservation purposes...etc, etc, etc. Whatever deaths occur because of these "logical" examples of yours is an unfortunate consequence of using them in a way they were not designed to use. When a gun destroys, and/or kills it did precisely what it was designed to do. I love the 2nd amendment, and I love my guns...but common sense, or "logic" as you put it, is required. Regulation is what keeps irresponsible people from parking nukes and warheads in their backyard. Is it not reasonable to regulate arms?

  • TeaPublican Houston, TX
    March 24, 2018 10:08 a.m.

    Move along folks...there's nothing to see here. . It's a moment and it will pass... the hunting of our children will continue. . I am sorry folks...but when my Republican legislators have the choice of doing something..anything..to possibly stop the killing of our children..vs... pleasing the NRA...well...it's been obvious for years...no contest here folks...the NRA always wins! . Our Republican legislators do NOT want to get the NRA upset or put in jeopardy the thirty pieces of silver they get from them. . Just a fact of life folks. . This "moment" will be gone shortly but the NRA lives on forever. . Move along folks...there's nothing to see here.

  • Curtaco Monroe, UT
    March 24, 2018 9:51 a.m.

    These students would be far better served if they would eliminate the bullying in their school.
    If they would make sure nobody eats lunch alone. Last year nearly 1600 youth committed suicide. We lose more kids to texting and driving than gun violence. The opiate epidemic kills more students per month , than every US school shooting combined . But those are issues largely ignored. What is in their power is to ensure everyone is treated with dignity and respect.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    March 24, 2018 9:37 a.m.

    I am being asked to give up my guns to keep these protesting students safe.

    In that case I ask that they forgo the use of a car or any vehicle for the rest of their lives.

    In Europe where guns are hard to come by, people intent on murdering others have used trucks on busy streets to kill large numbers of people.

  • girlofthesea Salt Lake City, UT
    March 24, 2018 8:56 a.m.

    There are too many guns and too many people who for one reason or another want to kill other people with guns. The gun arguments are never going to stop. The least we can do as a gun crazy society is "secure the interior" of all schools by immediately installing metal detectors at every entrance. This security measure works well to keep the interiors of our airports and planes safe from gun violence and deaths.
    Unfortunately, Utah is extremely Pro-gun/NRA. The same old, blah, blah, blah, and worn out excuses will be made, and metal detectors won't be installed at schools. The children of Utah have my upmost sympathy.

  • common sense in Idaho Pocatello, id
    March 24, 2018 5:26 a.m.

    I support the kids. We need to listen to our children.

    Doing nothing is not working.

    Time for common sense gun control.

    I am a gun owner and second amendment supporter.

    But enough is enough.

  • dski HERRIMAN, UT
    March 24, 2018 3:13 a.m.

    It is very sad that most of the shootings in schools were done by other students. There is very little or no emphasis on students’ behaviors and civility in schools, but on guns. It is also sad that these young people are encouraged and manipulated by adult activists to promote their agendas. We all want no violence in schools. But what we want is completely different from reality.

  • rexwhitmer ELFRIDA, AZ
    March 24, 2018 12:44 a.m.

    If the government really wants to stop this sort of behavior, there is only one way to do it, and since it would annoy some Americans it likely never will be used. Let's begin teaching the differences between right an wrong! We had no problem with it when I was in school, and it wasn't a church group that did it. I went to school during the second world war! We knew what was right and what was wrong and it was agreed upon by parents, school teachers, police and even Washington DC! It didn't stop kids from doing wrong things, but they were well aware that what they were doing was Wrong. Try that today and you'd likely end up in a Federal Prison or at least be fired! Marches will do no good and fake laws won't help a bit. When I went to school, everyone knew it was wrong to hurt or maim anyone, and those whom forgot were disciplined! We aslo had asylums where in we could keep criminally minded persons away from the public! Asylums weren't nice and sometimes they were used as political solutions, but they did keep people away for the public when they might hurt others!

  • Watcher1 Sandy, UT
    March 23, 2018 11:49 p.m.

    I love it when someone is out there telling us what is and what isn't "necessary." Pretty soon they'll be telling you that the only tool you really need is a butter knife, and you can just learn to make do with that, because some elitist or academic mind has decided you don't really "need" anything else. Yes, these are the same voices that will tell you that the 2nd Amendment was only there to authorize the military to be armed, and to tell you that it's now outmoded since we have weapons that will fire multiple rounds. This is all asinine nonsense. Just like with every other crime, the problem is with the perpetrator(s), not the tools. Cars don't cause drunk driving deaths. Bookkeeping systems don't cause embezzlement. Containers and packaging don't cause public liter. Swimming pools, rivers, and oceans don't cause drownings. Physical appendages and characteristics don't cause rapes and sexual assaults. Time for some actual logic--unfashionable as it may be.

  • goodnight-goodluck Salt Lake City, UT
    March 23, 2018 10:26 p.m.

    I imagine we'll find out this fall and again in 2020 if they follow through on their rage towards us over our years of inaction and VOTE!

  • Charlemagne Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 23, 2018 10:00 p.m.

    None of these people are able to explain how their proffered "solutions" will actually work. Conversely they reject out of hand allowing teachers to be armed; something that actually could protect students.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    March 23, 2018 9:25 p.m.

    And at these rallies, the kids will:
    Burn the violent video games.
    Burn the rap music.
    Burn the DVDs.

    Call me when that happens. Otherwise, they got no skin in the game.

  • MountainUte Sandy, UT
    March 23, 2018 9:25 p.m.

    It's not a moment or a movement. It's a manipulation of children by a political machine.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 23, 2018 8:29 p.m.

    Showing amazing irony or hypocrisy (or both), one of the demands is that the age for purchase of a rifle or shotgun be raised to 21 (same as for handguns) because 18 year old are not mature enough to make good decisions.

    But, we are supposed to take advice from this large groups of mostly under 18 year olds because they are so smart.

    In reality, they are being skillfully manipulated by adults who are long time anti-gun activists.

    The problem is not going to be solved by more gun control laws, but by enforcing those we have and by controlling people who make threats of violence or who are mentally ill. But, that is not the agenda of this march's organizers. (Or this newspaper.)

  • countryvoice3 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 23, 2018 7:38 p.m.

    ....Bo..."It is clear that Millennials have tuned out the political rhetoric. They have been hoodwinked and manipulated. "Meh," is their response to politics."

    This is not Millennials, this is the vast majority of Americans.

    78%...78% of adult Americans do not own a gun. 50%..50% of all guns are owned by 3% of the population.

    This is America standing up to the "radical" gun lobby and saying enough is enough.

    Gun legislation will not change human nature, but protests, and legislation can change a culture promoted by a minority that is killing our children.

    Banning AR 15's doesn't eliminate murder but it can drastically effect the carnage.

    The conversation can no longer be dictated by a minority of citizens and an industry promoting self interest with death of children as a result.

  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    March 23, 2018 7:32 p.m.

    Only a moment... it will fade away when the celebs jump into something new and wonderful

    In the meantime our constitution will survive even though ignorant politicians on both sides of the aisle try to trample over it

  • GloRRNM Rio Rancho, NM
    March 23, 2018 5:46 p.m.

    Good topic and feedback here so I thought I would share what we are implementing here in New Mexico. We are teaching teachers self-defense and active shooter incorporating the Defense Alert Device. (Military grade pepper spray that has GPS/Crowd Alert technology that notifies other staff, security personnel, contact list designees, and anyone within a miles radius that they are in danger with their location on a map). This technology and device is doing more to improve safety in our schools, immediately, than anything I’m aware of.

    This isn’t just an active shooter only issue, it’s an overall pervasive violence of the day issue. We had an instance two days ago where a former student walked onto a high school campus that resulted in a short foot chase. In his backpack was duct tape, mask, gloves, etc. So, guns is not the only solution needed.

    There is no one product that answers all these potential situations. The solution the D.A.D. offers is the ability to KNOW the location of whatever violence of the day is happening and make a better informed response as a teacher (which now has the ability to have a non-lethal response), security, and or police.

  • Stando Kaysville, UT
    March 23, 2018 5:33 p.m.

    My thoughts and prayers are with them.
    It really sounds to me like all this is still emotion driven. This was bully violence. The media bias makes me sick. If kids are so in to this I wish they would understand what they bandwagoning for. This is about a bully and the fact this guy didn't get reported.

  • Another Perspective Bountiful, UT
    March 23, 2018 5:00 p.m.

    One of the signs says

    ? Protect NRA
    ? Protect Kids
    The choice is yours

    Asking why does it have to be a choice?

    These kids can protect themselves by practicing kindness every day to all people. They do this and no student or former student will come back to hurt them.

  • Instereo Eureka, UT
    March 23, 2018 4:52 p.m.

    I think the youth are seeing a problem that adults either don't want to deal with or have rationalized into accepting. They aren't throwing labels on people, they are starting to solve a problem that is real. It would be good if we listened and solved the problem. I'm sure if we don't they will eventually and that will make it a movement and not a moment.

  • Chancey Sandy, UT
    March 23, 2018 4:49 p.m.

    In order to prevent school shootings, we need to be vigilant. Protecting our children should be our biggest priority (whatever they think). With the last two school shootings it is apparent that we need qualified, trained and motivated officers in our schools. Remember the Trolley Square shooter and how he was stopped. I will love it when the lion can lay down with the lamb. Until then we need to be prepared. We should not look at the 2nd amendment as a problem, but as a solution. We should never give up our right to self defense. We also need to find ways to better help the mentally ill. Let's approach this problem from these two avenues, protecting our children and helping them with their mental illness problems.

  • Pugman Tremonton, UT
    March 23, 2018 4:47 p.m.

    I agree let's and gun violence and school shootings. That being said don't mess with my second amendment rights.

  • Watcher1 Sandy, UT
    March 23, 2018 4:34 p.m.

    Evidently the marchers and protesters are appealing for more government and more laws. Yeah, just what we need. Take a close look at the recent Florida situation that precipitated all this latest uproar, and you'll find that it was government that failed and dropped the ball in every way. The perpetrator even posted online warnings that he was an aspiring school shooter. Law enforcement had been warned about him and visited him multiple times. Then, when he did attack, law enforcement dropped the ball by failing to engage him and neutralize the threat. Anyone familiar with government and monopolistic public organizations knows that it's all run basically 100% on pure politics, and there's little accountability involved at all. They can afford to drop the ball, because they're "the only game in town." Read up on the Jaycee Dugard situation in California, where government dropped the ball MULTIPLE times in failing to protect this young gal from a vicious predator. Don't tell me how more government and more laws are going to make everything wonderful. It's a sad (though persistent) delusion.

  • Watcher1 Sandy, UT
    March 23, 2018 4:19 p.m.

    A person has to be severely delusional to actually believe that the government can pass laws and enforce restrictions that will prevent things like mass killings. This is proven over and over by looking at the places which have the highest number of murders, which are also the places where there are the most restrictive gun laws. Also, notice that most mass shootings take place in "gun free" zones, where predators can feel pretty confident that they won't be meeting any armed resistance. When I was in Dallas, I noticed that there were many gun stores, pawn shops and the like in the east downtown area; I also noticed that most of the workers were "carrying."
    I never heard of them getting robbed EVER, for obvious reasons. Like I say, I would think basic logic would play a role, but this is obviously not the case with this emotional issue.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    March 23, 2018 4:12 p.m.

    @Sanefan

    "Everything is so simple, until you actually think about it and analyze it."

    Good advice. So, I encourage you to think about it and analyze it, starting with this analysis:
    Do cars have a purpose besides killing? Do guns?

    See, once you start to think about it and analyze it, your mind will become open to ideas other than your preconceived notions.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    March 23, 2018 3:15 p.m.

    "With great power comes great responsibility":

    If you want to be a gun-owner like I am, and carry powerful weapons with the ability to neutralize multiple threats with a high capacity magazine, you better be responsible, trained, and capable of doing so both mentally and physically. Otherwise, you put everyone at risk, including those of us who love and support the 2nd amendment.

    Regulation of arms is not new...it's been the standard for 2 centuries upheld by SCOTUS. Regulations that require waiting lists, stricter and more thorough background check processes, and limits on the kind of weapons used are a requirement for maintaining peace in our communities. Bumpstocks aren't necessary...armor piercing rounds aren't necessary...hallow point bullets are not necessary to protect one's family.

    "Shall not be infringed" does not mean, and has never meant, "shall not be regulated". It's time to take off the tinfoil hats and listen to reason. As Christ put it, "Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise". Time to listen to our children.

  • Mary Mc Lacey, WA
    March 23, 2018 3:08 p.m.

    I for one am proud of these young people. It gives me hope that the next generation will be an improvement over what we see about us today.

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    March 23, 2018 2:55 p.m.

    Biut since automobiles were brought up, let’s discuss responsible. Far more people are killed in this country every year by automobiles, by so called responsible drivers, than by guns. You see the difficulty with these arguments. Everything is so simple, until you actually think about it and analyze it.

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    March 23, 2018 2:48 p.m.

    Because Jim, who gets to determine what is responsible, you , me, the government (which is oh so irresponsible)? The argument using automobiles is bogus, as they are a privilege to operate not an enumerated RIGHT in the Bill of Rights. You also sort of exposed a limited understanding of our Constitution and Bill oF Rights, as the 2nd Amendment was NEVER about hunting.

  • Astoria Jim Mamaroneck, NY
    March 23, 2018 2:26 p.m.

    Despite what the NRA will claim, nobody...not even the super-liberals in New York who would shut down the government over transgendered bathrooms (I'm not one of them) wants to take guns away from people who need hand guns for protection, or want rifles for sport shooting. But it's far too easy for too many people to buy weapons that are far too powerful than what you need to shoot a deer in the woods or a bad guy breaking into your home. As a driver, I want only responsible people...who have passed appropriate tests...to drive cars. As a churchgoer, I want only responsible people...who have passed appropriates tests...to minister the word of God. So why shouldn't all gun owners only want responsible people to own guns?

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    March 23, 2018 2:18 p.m.

    It could be a movement for all life. It would be amazing if the pro-life community could coop this March and use it as an opportunity to promote the safety and lives of both current and FUTURE students.

  • Red Salt Lake City, UT
    March 23, 2018 1:46 p.m.

    Based on the profile of most of these liberals this march will quickly turn into a riot where they loot stores and burn things.

    Nice movement.

  • Warbunny Puyallup, WA
    March 23, 2018 1:33 p.m.

    I hope nobody opens fire on them during their demonstration....then they might understand why only a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun. It is not Democrat or Republican politics. It is common sense. Average response time of a cop is 30 minutes. Average response time of my .357 magnum is 1200 feet per second.
    Reminder from history: Joseph Smith surrendered the weapons of the Nauvoo Legion for peace, political correctness, to please his neighbors. Immediately after, he was jailed, murdered, and LDS were driven out of USA by mobs to a barren desert. By contrast, it was not by prayer that LDS defeated Johnston's U.S. Army during the Utah War. Almost forgotten LDS scripture states "we believe that all men are justified in defending themselves, their friends, and property, and the government, from the unlawful assaults and encroachments of all persons in times of exigency, where immediate appeal cannot be made to the laws, and relief afforded." D&C 134:11

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    March 23, 2018 1:01 p.m.

    What makes this different is the backing of media outlets, BOTH parties and (oddly) Lyft.

    It is clear that Millennials have tuned out the political rhetoric. They have been hoodwinked and manipulated. "Meh," is their response to politics.

    The elites do not want that to happen to Gen Z, so they've created this "movement"
    to appease them. And they are all trying very hard to be the group that gets credit for leading the parade.

    I give them a couple of years to figure out the scam.

  • GingerMarshall Brooklyn, OH
    March 23, 2018 12:07 p.m.

    @at long last...: "Until the angry masses involved know the difference between semi-automatic and automatic..."

    I don't care. The difference makes no difference.

    I want to make sure "responsible" gun owners are actually responsible.

    I want national databases that track **all** violent criminals - including domestic violence - and remove weapons and access to weapons from them.

    I want "responsible" gun owners who's weapon is used in a crime to be treated as accessory, and to be charged and jailed. If the "responsible" gun owner in Maryland had actually been responsible his murderous son would not have had access and a young woman would be alive. He should be charged, jailed without bond, and tried as an accessory who aided a premeditated act of first degree murder.

    I want so-called "responsible" gun owners to be responsible.

  • Dilbert Firth, ID
    March 23, 2018 10:51 a.m.

    It's a lot easier to march in the name of "doing something" than to actually do something that would make a difference - like treating each other decent.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    March 23, 2018 10:24 a.m.

    Alas, this movement is merely part of the liberal resistance to the current administration and the idea of an armed citizenry. Until the angry masses involved know the difference between semi-automatic and automatic I won't see it as anything other than people with nothing better to do with their lives than protest - in vain - about the second amendment. Protest for the sake of protest doesn't do anything to solve the problem, does it?

  • GingerMarshall Brooklyn, OH
    March 23, 2018 10:20 a.m.

    It is a movement. The visible part is the marches.

    The strength is the organization and connection, education and motivation.

    As we saw in Alabama, get out the vote works, and we are absolutely motivated.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    March 23, 2018 9:07 a.m.

    That 'these protests and marches' are becoming so regular is a harbinger of things not being well in the nation. The status quo is no longer acceptable as a solution to our problems. The old boys' network, the smug lobbyists, it all has to go.

  • Leonidas Salt Lake City, UT
    March 23, 2018 8:03 a.m.

    Since these protests and marches are getting to be daily occurances they are virtually meaningless.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    March 23, 2018 7:21 a.m.

    Let's hope is a strong, loud, long-lasting, and EFFECTIVE movement.