If the ACA would have been supported and allowed to function as it was
originally written, it would be fantastic. However, the Republicans parsed it at
the time and continue to undermine it in every way possible. Never-the-less, it
has narrowed the gap between rich and poor, and it lowered the federal deficit
-- and if left in place will continue to save federal money through 2025. Recent
policy changes made premiums shoot up. Health insurance is easier to shop for,
though still very complicated, and markets are turbulent due to Trump policies.
Many think ACA has improved care in hospitals (fewer infections) due to the
evidence-based style medicine it introduced.
Nobody should bail out Mke Lee....Does anyone remember when he first
got elected and promised heart and soul to stop the financial runaway train in
Washington?When he gets up in the morning,now the face that greets
him in the mirror is part of the problem not one of the solution.The
boondoggle that was just passed in no way helps 90% of the people in this
country. It was opposed by 65% of the population yet Lee never hesitated.
Knows he doesn’t have to listen to constituents but has to live with his
friends in Washington so the country suffers.Until we as a
population learn the hard lesson, and remove these people if they don’t
listen then there can be no accountability.
This spending bill was a trillion dollar train wreck. Conservatives got almost
nothing but debt. That is not what Trump promised. Where is the wall? Where is
the repeal of Obamacare? All I can say is the man better start delivering or at
least showing some back bone by 2020 or we will be looking for new conservative
candidate. Go ahead and shut the government down!! I would love that. Force the
funding of the wall. But don't sign the stupid thing and then say I tried.
We elected Trump because he wasn't a politician and how he is acting just
Short Sale...Mike Lee took advantage of a bailout.Americans who need a hand-up with health care...Let those
Americans eat cake.The spending bill that deficits don't matter
re-Publicans are pushing...Deficits don't matter when there is
a re-Publican occupant in the WH.Deficits only matter when there is
a member of the Democratic Party in the WH.Perfect.
Virtually everything our federal government touches, it ruins:Congress as an efficient, effective leadership body: broke.Federal
budget: broke, to the tune of a $20 trillion deficit.US Post Office
(overseen/assisted by our federal government): broke.Amtrak
(overseen/assisted by our federal government): broke.Department of
Education: broke.Department of Energy: broke.IRS:
broke.FBI: broke. (Thanks, Obama.)Department of
Defense: broke. (Thanks, Obama.)Medicare: broke.Medicaid: broke.EPA: broke.Medicaid: broke.Social Security: broke.Over-budget, red tape galore, inefficient
and uncaring....that's the federal government's way of doing
business.But, hey, adding millions of people to insurance rolls,
while not adding any additional doctors and nurses (no, you can't just
"poof!" them into existence) regulated by a 2,700 page bill that no
Democrat leader fully read (including the party's leader, Nancy Pelosi), in
a bill that was not funded adequately, that never had approval of the majority
of the people who were being forced to pay for it....don't worry, I'm
sure it will work just fine!
"The problem is; it doesn't address the rising costs of
healthcare;"Absolutely True. Health care is not like shopping
for a car or a new set of curtains.The profit motive for a product that we
cant live without is unreasonable.I do not believe that nurses and
doctors are overpaid.But, when a routine outpatient procedure runs
$20-30,000, there is a problemThe services are over priced. No one
is addressing that part of the equasion.Capitalism is the best
system in the world, but it fails in a few instances. Healthcare is one of
Lee is 100% correct -- no bail out for this Titanic Obama mess.
@quackquack continued,It is certainly true that healthcare costs
were rising pre-Obamacare. That is why there was a push for healthcare reform in
the first place. But, the rise in costs you seem to mistate. My premiums have
gone up way more than those percentages; my deductibles have gone up way more
than those percentages. Even if you averaged everything out to come up with
those percentaes; year over year those percentages are not sustainable. Even if
you claim Obamacare reduced the amount of increase in healthcare costs to 20%
from 2011- 2016; that is still more than inflation which according to an
inflation calculator says that only 8% inflation for those same years.That is unsustainable. The costs continue to skyrocket; and are out of reach
for most Americans. Sure some of the really poor now get healthcare that they
wouldn't before; and the rich get even better healthcare than they were
getting before; but the vast majority of working Americans have worse healthcare
now than they did before the ACA.Something needed to be done then;
but the ACA was not it. Of course those in power (GOP right now); don't
want to do anything, they are the rich and govern for the rich.
@quackquack,While I can't speak for everyone; I can certainly
tell you why I hate the ACA. The ACA doesn't address the root cause of why
healthcare has been unaffordable. It focuses on trying to get everyone to buy
"health insurance" as if insurance was the end-all-be-all of
healthcare.The problem is; it doesn't address the rising costs
of healthcare; in fact it drives those costs up even higher and higher. In the
past I used to be able to get healthcare. Now I cannot afford it. I have
insurance; but on top of paying the premiums for the insurance; I cannot go to
any doctor because I don't have the money to pay out of pocket for the
actual care from the doctor. The insurance won't cover anything until after
I pay a yearly deducible that would bankrupt me just in one single year. And I
don't even have as high a deductible as many people do.The ACA
despite its claims actually boosts the costs of healthcare; making it less
affordable; less accessible; and lower quality. Primarily because it did not
address the largest problem. Anti-competative behaviors in the entire healthcare
industry. The only industry that is exempt from all anti-trust laws. I could go
on but out of room.
"So please can someone please explain why the hate for the ACA ? "Pretty simpleReblicans hate it because it was championed by the
Democrats. Had it been a Republican bill, they would love it (and the
Democrats would hate it).Now... Does anyone think that our country
can run like this?We cant hate an idea or a piece of legislation, or a
person just because they are from the other party. Both parties
have good and bad ideas. Oftentimes, we automatically despise something for
nothing other than partisan politics.If you are guilty of that,
whether you are an R or a D, you are contributing to the downfall of this
country.Remember that "house divided" quote?
Is it Alzheimer or as I call it Old timers that makes people forget the
exponentially increase in Health care costs pre "Obamacare". So please can someone please explain why the hate for the ACA ? Do
you think Healthcare costs would be lower ? Do the research Kaiser study shows
that average family premiums rose 20% from 2011 to 2016. That rate of increase
is actually much lower than the previous five years (up 31% from 2006 to 2011)
and the five years before that (up 63% from 2001 to 2006).Then add
in how millions have been spent to block the ACA ? The part you need to get
through your Brain is these politicians like Lee want Obamacare surrendered so
HMO's and Insurance companies can go back to increasing Healthcare by 63% .
When Mike Lee supports an insurance bill that is applied to the taxpayers in the
same way it is applied to the congress then I will support mike lee.
And Mike Lee wants the Democrats to help fix the scam tax bill that recently was
passed without any of the stable geniuses of the US Senate and The US House ever
reading the bill.
@ silo: Its difficult to know what to call it! To call it the "Affordable
Healthcare Act" is highly inaccurate because it is not "affordable"
and never will be. Millions of previously insured Americans who now have
healthcare insurance that they can't use call it various names, none
complimentary! The SCOTUS called it a "tax" in order not to call it
unconstitutional, i.e. forcing Americans to buy healthcare insurance and forcing
Nuns and older people to buy contraceptives. Heck, even many Democrats want to
"fix" it! Conservatives call it a massive power grab where the
government (not you) now controls your healthcare! A minority of Americans love
it because they can get healthcare insurance for free/subsidized and send the
bill to their neighbors! As much as anything, Obamacare, or whatever you call
it, propelled Trump into the WH! From its early roll out until today, the only
accurate name that applies to it is, a huge MESS!
"How credible is the Daily Caller?"The amount of credibility
liberals will say a news source has is directly related to how much leftist
propaganda it spews out; there is no correlation to how factually accurate the
information it provides."You can also spell failure with the
letters G-O-P. This is a party that considers itself fiscally responsible;
however, the party passes a $1.5 trillion dollar tax cut without paying for said
cut."Sadly, there is a lot of truth to that. Republicans acting
like Democrats does America no favors."You realize that the term
'Obamacare' was a pejorative term crafted by the Republicans to
demonize the PPACA, right? and that when surveyed, a vast majority of people
were in favor of the PPACA, even though they heavily opposed
'Obamacare'. You knew that, right?"Did you know that
the vast majority of college students strongly oppose Trump's tax plan, but
were extremely in favor of the same tax plan when it was presented as Bernie
Sander's tax plan?Besides, the PPACA didn't need the
GOP's help to look bad. Well over half of Americans opposed it when
Democrats shoved it down our throats.
The ACA is the Titanic of the Obama Administration and it's been sinking
from almost the beginning.Time to abandon ship!
We are still talking about the ACA/Obamacare? But, but, the GOP
controls the house, the senate and the Presidency. Furthermore, they have been
promising that once elected, the first thing they would do is repeal the
ACA/Obamacare. And then they would replace it with a Great plan that would be
better, cover more people and be cheaper. Remember that solution of tort
reform, stop Waste fraud and abuse and allow insurance across state lines?Uh.... What happened? Anyone?What some seem to want to
gloss over is that the cost of health care and insurance premiums have been
steadily rising for a long time. This problem did not just start with
ACA/Obamacare.Broading the market by requiring all persons to have
insurance was a conservative idea to bring market forces into health care. When
you remove that requirement, you have adverse selection.The GOP has
choosen not to lead on health care, immigration, deficit and they certainly
have the power to do so.Lastly, Congress spends the money and sets
taxes. Guess who spent the money under most of Obamas term? Guess who is
spending all of the money today?Hard to blame Obama or Dems for
Mike, where is the insurance for ALL American citizens that Trump spouted during
the campaign and reported in this paper? Hatch for years and years
spouted that the GOP had a better health Insurance plan. Now they have the
stage, where is it Hatch? Where is it Mike? Millions will lose
their health care under the GOP tax give back to the rich that Mike Lee and
Hatch supported. Mike Lee will get premium health care for the rest of his life,
and an annual pension. A little bit of hypocrisy?We are tired as
taxpayers of bailing you out Mike and your rich friends who just got trillions
in tax breaks. All American citizens deserve the same health care
coverage that Mike Lee gets. All Americans!
Mike Lee has no problem paying trillions to further enrich the wealthy
(especially trump), but isn't willing to do anything to help people obtain
needed medical care. That is totally despicable.
silo - Sandy, UT - "You realize 'Obamacare' isn't insurance,
right?" No, but it is a severe economic regimentation led by a dictator (the
"Secretary"). But it is not, I repeat...not, fascism! How dare you. "You realize that the term 'Obamacare' was a pejorative
term crafted by the Republicans to demonize the PPACA, right?" Well, but
Obama said this, “I like it. I don’t mind,” the president told
former NBA star Charles Barkley in an interview that aired Sunday about the term
Obamacare. (2/17/2014) He said in that same interview, "And I tell you, five
years from now...there are going to be a whole bunch of people who don’t
call it Obamacare anymore because they don’t want me to get the
credit.” Now, it hasn't been 5 years yet, but I can safely say no one
is running to take credit for that turkey. Thanks for playing!
@thid"Obamacare is a very expensive failure and needs to be replaced
with insurance people can actually afford"You realize
'Obamacare' isn't insurance, right? You do realize there's
a difference between insurance and health care, right?You realize
that the term 'Obamacare' was a pejorative term crafted by the
Republicans to demonize the PPACA, right? and that when surveyed, a vast
majority of people were in favor of the PPACA, even though they heavily opposed
'Obamacare'. You knew that, right?
Obamacare supporters act like its either Obamacare or no health care! Obamacare
is a very expensive failure and needs to be replaced with insurance people can
actually afford and allow them to buy healthcare insurance they want, instead of
saddling taxpayers with another huge burden! The idea of the tax
cuts is to create more taxpayers instead of driving businesses and jobs
(taxpayers) out of America with the highest taxes in the world! Businesses and
workers in foreign nations pay NO taxes in America. Too many tax burdens, too
few tax payers= massive debt! Over taxing is like killing the goose that lays
your golden eggs! I am surprised that isn't obvious!
Just as soon as Mike Lee starts purchasing his insurance on the exchanges, or
even better having everyone in America have the opportunity to have the same
insurance Mike Lee gets, I will consider America's healthcare fair. Republicans need to make the system fair for all, not worse plans at
worse rates for the poor, with big write offs for the wealthy when they buy
their insurance. No more separate and unequal rules based on who your employer
is with only plans offered by your employer available. All plans should be
available for all!!We wouldn't need any insurance bailout if
everyone was in one risk pool for all and everyone was allowed to choose their
own plans without HMO's being allowed to pick and choose and parse
Americans into different "risk pools". Mike Lee should try being in
another risk pool where mainly the the sick sign up, kinda like what he is
offering to others. You know, the golden rule in reverse.
@ Impartial7: Obamacare is a waste and a very, very expensive misuse of
taxpayer's money! Taxpayer's money does not belong to you! Thankfully
Mike Lee understands he has a responsibility to make sure taxpayer's money
is not wasted or misused! He is doing his job and funding failure isn't it!
@ Stevo123: Its the Congressional Budget Office's data.
Don't trust your own government?
If it's affordable, it shouldn't need a bail out.
"Republicans in Congress were elected to repeal the Affordable Care
Act...."I agree, Mike.Unfortunately they weren't
elected to.. you know, govern.
So Thid, should we congratulate the Daily Caller for your credibility lapses or
should we blame them? I'm so confused!
@Stevo123;"@ Thid, How credible is the Daily Caller?"Right up there with Breitbart, Alex Jones, Hannity and Bannon. What more could
you ask for?
@Thid, You can also spell failure with the letters G-O-P. This is a party
that considers itself fiscally responsible; however, the party passes a $1.5
trillion dollar tax cut without paying for said cut. It seems that they party
of fiscal responsiblity only brings up their fiscal responsibility when a
Democrat is in the White House. Congress (both parties) has failed the voters
in driving the national debt up and over $20 trillion. I agree with Impartial7,
that a better replacement be found. Further, I would suggest that the defense
spending be seriously looked at, as it accounts for a large portion of the U.S.
@ Thid, How credible is the Daily Caller?
"Lee has never voted for an omnibus spending bill but isn't taking any
position on this bill until after reading it, said his spokesman, Conn
Carroll."He didn't read the 1.5 trillion dollar tax cut
bill, did he? He said "Republicans were elected to repeal Obamacare".
Republicans were elected to repeal AND replace Obamacare with something
"better and cheaper-day one". Mike Lee has no problem giving the wealthy
tax cuts, just like he has no problem harming lower income Americans.
Taxpayers will pay over $53,000 per each person newly insured under Obamacare,
according to a Daily Caller News Foundation analysis of the Congressional Budget
Office data. How do you spell failure? It would be absurd to fund this failure