Sen. Mike Lee says Congress shouldn't bail out 'Obamacare' in spending bill

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  • Kathy Salt Lake City, UT
    March 26, 2018 10:58 a.m.

    If the ACA would have been supported and allowed to function as it was originally written, it would be fantastic. However, the Republicans parsed it at the time and continue to undermine it in every way possible. Never-the-less, it has narrowed the gap between rich and poor, and it lowered the federal deficit -- and if left in place will continue to save federal money through 2025. Recent policy changes made premiums shoot up. Health insurance is easier to shop for, though still very complicated, and markets are turbulent due to Trump policies. Many think ACA has improved care in hospitals (fewer infections) due to the evidence-based style medicine it introduced.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    March 24, 2018 8:37 a.m.

    Nobody should bail out Mke Lee....

    Does anyone remember when he first got elected and promised heart and soul to stop the financial runaway train in Washington?

    When he gets up in the morning,now the face that greets him in the mirror is part of the problem not one of the solution.

    The boondoggle that was just passed in no way helps 90% of the people in this country. It was opposed by 65% of the population yet Lee never hesitated. Knows he doesn’t have to listen to constituents but has to live with his friends in Washington so the country suffers.

    Until we as a population learn the hard lesson, and remove these people if they don’t listen then there can be no accountability.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    March 23, 2018 1:45 p.m.

    This spending bill was a trillion dollar train wreck. Conservatives got almost nothing but debt. That is not what Trump promised. Where is the wall? Where is the repeal of Obamacare? All I can say is the man better start delivering or at least showing some back bone by 2020 or we will be looking for new conservative candidate. Go ahead and shut the government down!! I would love that. Force the funding of the wall. But don't sign the stupid thing and then say I tried. We elected Trump because he wasn't a politician and how he is acting just like one.

  • There You Go Again St George, UT
    March 20, 2018 10:05 p.m.

    Short Sale...

    Mike Lee took advantage of a bailout.

    Americans who need a hand-up with health care...

    Let those Americans eat cake.

    The spending bill that deficits don't matter re-Publicans are pushing...

    Deficits don't matter when there is a re-Publican occupant in the WH.

    Deficits only matter when there is a member of the Democratic Party in the WH.

    Perfect.

  • A Guy With A Brain Enid, OK
    March 20, 2018 9:11 p.m.

    Virtually everything our federal government touches, it ruins:

    Congress as an efficient, effective leadership body: broke.

    Federal budget: broke, to the tune of a $20 trillion deficit.

    US Post Office (overseen/assisted by our federal government): broke.

    Amtrak (overseen/assisted by our federal government): broke.

    Department of Education: broke.

    Department of Energy: broke.

    IRS: broke.

    FBI: broke. (Thanks, Obama.)

    Department of Defense: broke. (Thanks, Obama.)

    Medicare: broke.

    Medicaid: broke.

    EPA: broke.

    Medicaid: broke.

    Social Security: broke.

    Over-budget, red tape galore, inefficient and uncaring....that's the federal government's way of doing business.

    But, hey, adding millions of people to insurance rolls, while not adding any additional doctors and nurses (no, you can't just "poof!" them into existence) regulated by a 2,700 page bill that no Democrat leader fully read (including the party's leader, Nancy Pelosi), in a bill that was not funded adequately, that never had approval of the majority of the people who were being forced to pay for it....don't worry, I'm sure it will work just fine!

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    March 20, 2018 4:35 p.m.

    "The problem is; it doesn't address the rising costs of healthcare;"

    Absolutely True. Health care is not like shopping for a car or a new set of curtains.
    The profit motive for a product that we cant live without is unreasonable.

    I do not believe that nurses and doctors are overpaid.

    But, when a routine outpatient procedure runs $20-30,000, there is a problem

    The services are over priced. No one is addressing that part of the equasion.

    Capitalism is the best system in the world, but it fails in a few instances. Healthcare is one of those instances.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    March 20, 2018 12:34 p.m.

    Lee is 100% correct -- no bail out for this Titanic Obama mess.

  • NeifyT Salt Lake City, UT
    March 20, 2018 11:44 a.m.

    @quackquack continued,

    It is certainly true that healthcare costs were rising pre-Obamacare. That is why there was a push for healthcare reform in the first place. But, the rise in costs you seem to mistate. My premiums have gone up way more than those percentages; my deductibles have gone up way more than those percentages. Even if you averaged everything out to come up with those percentaes; year over year those percentages are not sustainable. Even if you claim Obamacare reduced the amount of increase in healthcare costs to 20% from 2011- 2016; that is still more than inflation which according to an inflation calculator says that only 8% inflation for those same years.

    That is unsustainable. The costs continue to skyrocket; and are out of reach for most Americans. Sure some of the really poor now get healthcare that they wouldn't before; and the rich get even better healthcare than they were getting before; but the vast majority of working Americans have worse healthcare now than they did before the ACA.

    Something needed to be done then; but the ACA was not it. Of course those in power (GOP right now); don't want to do anything, they are the rich and govern for the rich.

  • NeifyT Salt Lake City, UT
    March 20, 2018 11:25 a.m.

    @quackquack,

    While I can't speak for everyone; I can certainly tell you why I hate the ACA. The ACA doesn't address the root cause of why healthcare has been unaffordable. It focuses on trying to get everyone to buy "health insurance" as if insurance was the end-all-be-all of healthcare.

    The problem is; it doesn't address the rising costs of healthcare; in fact it drives those costs up even higher and higher. In the past I used to be able to get healthcare. Now I cannot afford it. I have insurance; but on top of paying the premiums for the insurance; I cannot go to any doctor because I don't have the money to pay out of pocket for the actual care from the doctor. The insurance won't cover anything until after I pay a yearly deducible that would bankrupt me just in one single year. And I don't even have as high a deductible as many people do.

    The ACA despite its claims actually boosts the costs of healthcare; making it less affordable; less accessible; and lower quality. Primarily because it did not address the largest problem. Anti-competative behaviors in the entire healthcare industry. The only industry that is exempt from all anti-trust laws. I could go on but out of room.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    March 20, 2018 9:24 a.m.

    "So please can someone please explain why the hate for the ACA ? "

    Pretty simple
    Reblicans hate it because it was championed by the Democrats.
    Had it been a Republican bill, they would love it (and the Democrats would hate it).

    Now... Does anyone think that our country can run like this?
    We cant hate an idea or a piece of legislation, or a person just because they are from the other party.

    Both parties have good and bad ideas. Oftentimes, we automatically despise something for nothing other than partisan politics.

    If you are guilty of that, whether you are an R or a D, you are contributing to the downfall of this country.

    Remember that "house divided" quote?

  • quackquack Park City, UT
    March 20, 2018 8:38 a.m.

    Is it Alzheimer or as I call it Old timers that makes people forget the exponentially increase in Health care costs pre "Obamacare".

    So please can someone please explain why the hate for the ACA ?

    Do you think Healthcare costs would be lower ? Do the research Kaiser study shows that average family premiums rose 20% from 2011 to 2016. That rate of increase is actually much lower than the previous five years (up 31% from 2006 to 2011) and the five years before that (up 63% from 2001 to 2006).

    Then add in how millions have been spent to block the ACA ? The part you need to get through your Brain is these politicians like Lee want Obamacare surrendered so HMO's and Insurance companies can go back to increasing Healthcare by 63% .

  • kolob1 Sandy, UT
    March 20, 2018 8:30 a.m.

    When Mike Lee supports an insurance bill that is applied to the taxpayers in the same way it is applied to the congress then I will support mike lee.

  • kolob1 Sandy, UT
    March 20, 2018 7:55 a.m.

    And Mike Lee wants the Democrats to help fix the scam tax bill that recently was passed without any of the stable geniuses of the US Senate and The US House ever reading the bill.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    March 20, 2018 7:52 a.m.

    @ silo: Its difficult to know what to call it! To call it the "Affordable Healthcare Act" is highly inaccurate because it is not "affordable" and never will be. Millions of previously insured Americans who now have healthcare insurance that they can't use call it various names, none complimentary! The SCOTUS called it a "tax" in order not to call it unconstitutional, i.e. forcing Americans to buy healthcare insurance and forcing Nuns and older people to buy contraceptives. Heck, even many Democrats want to "fix" it! Conservatives call it a massive power grab where the government (not you) now controls your healthcare! A minority of Americans love it because they can get healthcare insurance for free/subsidized and send the bill to their neighbors! As much as anything, Obamacare, or whatever you call it, propelled Trump into the WH! From its early roll out until today, the only accurate name that applies to it is, a huge MESS!

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    March 20, 2018 7:27 a.m.

    "How credible is the Daily Caller?"

    The amount of credibility liberals will say a news source has is directly related to how much leftist propaganda it spews out; there is no correlation to how factually accurate the information it provides.

    "You can also spell failure with the letters G-O-P. This is a party that considers itself fiscally responsible; however, the party passes a $1.5 trillion dollar tax cut without paying for said cut."

    Sadly, there is a lot of truth to that. Republicans acting like Democrats does America no favors.

    "You realize that the term 'Obamacare' was a pejorative term crafted by the Republicans to demonize the PPACA, right? and that when surveyed, a vast majority of people were in favor of the PPACA, even though they heavily opposed 'Obamacare'. You knew that, right?"

    Did you know that the vast majority of college students strongly oppose Trump's tax plan, but were extremely in favor of the same tax plan when it was presented as Bernie Sander's tax plan?

    Besides, the PPACA didn't need the GOP's help to look bad. Well over half of Americans opposed it when Democrats shoved it down our throats.

  • Den Den West Jordan, UT
    March 20, 2018 7:03 a.m.

    The ACA is the Titanic of the Obama Administration and it's been sinking from almost the beginning.

    Time to abandon ship!

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    March 20, 2018 6:10 a.m.

    We are still talking about the ACA/Obamacare?

    But, but, the GOP controls the house, the senate and the Presidency. Furthermore, they have been promising that once elected, the first thing they would do is repeal the ACA/Obamacare. And then they would replace it with a Great plan that would be better, cover more people and be cheaper. Remember that solution of tort reform, stop Waste fraud and abuse and allow insurance across state lines?

    Uh.... What happened? Anyone?

    What some seem to want to gloss over is that the cost of health care and insurance premiums have been steadily rising for a long time. This problem did not just start with ACA/Obamacare.

    Broading the market by requiring all persons to have insurance was a conservative idea to bring market forces into health care. When you remove that requirement, you have adverse selection.

    The GOP has choosen not to lead on health care, immigration, deficit and they certainly have the power to do so.

    Lastly, Congress spends the money and sets taxes. Guess who spent the money under most of Obamas term? Guess who is spending all of the money today?

    Hard to blame Obama or Dems for todays deficits.

  • Utefan60 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 20, 2018 6:02 a.m.

    Mike, where is the insurance for ALL American citizens that Trump spouted during the campaign and reported in this paper?

    Hatch for years and years spouted that the GOP had a better health Insurance plan. Now they have the stage, where is it Hatch? Where is it Mike?

    Millions will lose their health care under the GOP tax give back to the rich that Mike Lee and Hatch supported. Mike Lee will get premium health care for the rest of his life, and an annual pension. A little bit of hypocrisy?

    We are tired as taxpayers of bailing you out Mike and your rich friends who just got trillions in tax breaks.

    All American citizens deserve the same health care coverage that Mike Lee gets. All Americans!

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    March 20, 2018 5:45 a.m.

    Mike Lee has no problem paying trillions to further enrich the wealthy (especially trump), but isn't willing to do anything to help people obtain needed medical care. That is totally despicable.

  • James E Tooele, UT
    March 20, 2018 12:56 a.m.

    silo - Sandy, UT - "You realize 'Obamacare' isn't insurance, right?" No, but it is a severe economic regimentation led by a dictator (the "Secretary"). But it is not, I repeat...not, fascism! How dare you.

    "You realize that the term 'Obamacare' was a pejorative term crafted by the Republicans to demonize the PPACA, right?" Well, but Obama said this, “I like it. I don’t mind,” the president told former NBA star Charles Barkley in an interview that aired Sunday about the term Obamacare. (2/17/2014) He said in that same interview, "And I tell you, five years from now...there are going to be a whole bunch of people who don’t call it Obamacare anymore because they don’t want me to get the credit.” Now, it hasn't been 5 years yet, but I can safely say no one is running to take credit for that turkey.

    Thanks for playing!

  • silo Sandy, UT
    March 19, 2018 9:42 p.m.

    @thid
    "Obamacare is a very expensive failure and needs to be replaced with insurance people can actually afford"

    You realize 'Obamacare' isn't insurance, right? You do realize there's a difference between insurance and health care, right?

    You realize that the term 'Obamacare' was a pejorative term crafted by the Republicans to demonize the PPACA, right? and that when surveyed, a vast majority of people were in favor of the PPACA, even though they heavily opposed 'Obamacare'. You knew that, right?

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    March 19, 2018 7:57 p.m.

    Obamacare supporters act like its either Obamacare or no health care! Obamacare is a very expensive failure and needs to be replaced with insurance people can actually afford and allow them to buy healthcare insurance they want, instead of saddling taxpayers with another huge burden!

    The idea of the tax cuts is to create more taxpayers instead of driving businesses and jobs (taxpayers) out of America with the highest taxes in the world! Businesses and workers in foreign nations pay NO taxes in America. Too many tax burdens, too few tax payers= massive debt! Over taxing is like killing the goose that lays your golden eggs! I am surprised that isn't obvious!

  • cmsense Kaysville, UT
    March 19, 2018 6:04 p.m.

    Just as soon as Mike Lee starts purchasing his insurance on the exchanges, or even better having everyone in America have the opportunity to have the same insurance Mike Lee gets, I will consider America's healthcare fair.

    Republicans need to make the system fair for all, not worse plans at worse rates for the poor, with big write offs for the wealthy when they buy their insurance. No more separate and unequal rules based on who your employer is with only plans offered by your employer available. All plans should be available for all!!

    We wouldn't need any insurance bailout if everyone was in one risk pool for all and everyone was allowed to choose their own plans without HMO's being allowed to pick and choose and parse Americans into different "risk pools". Mike Lee should try being in another risk pool where mainly the the sick sign up, kinda like what he is offering to others. You know, the golden rule in reverse.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    March 19, 2018 5:12 p.m.

    @ Impartial7: Obamacare is a waste and a very, very expensive misuse of taxpayer's money! Taxpayer's money does not belong to you! Thankfully Mike Lee understands he has a responsibility to make sure taxpayer's money is not wasted or misused! He is doing his job and funding failure isn't it!

    @ Stevo123: Its the Congressional Budget Office's data. Don't trust your own government?

  • casual observer Salt Lake City, UT
    March 19, 2018 5:04 p.m.

    If it's affordable, it shouldn't need a bail out.

  • squirrel whisperer Lehi, UT
    March 19, 2018 4:57 p.m.

    "Republicans in Congress were elected to repeal the Affordable Care Act...."

    I agree, Mike.
    Unfortunately they weren't elected to.. you know, govern.

  • Fabulous Jen Eagle Mountain, UT
    March 19, 2018 4:56 p.m.

    So Thid, should we congratulate the Daily Caller for your credibility lapses or should we blame them? I'm so confused!

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    March 19, 2018 4:52 p.m.

    @Stevo123;
    "@ Thid, How credible is the Daily Caller?"

    Right up there with Breitbart, Alex Jones, Hannity and Bannon. What more could you ask for?

  • Convers8 Riverton, UT
    March 19, 2018 4:49 p.m.

    @Thid,
    You can also spell failure with the letters G-O-P. This is a party that considers itself fiscally responsible; however, the party passes a $1.5 trillion dollar tax cut without paying for said cut. It seems that they party of fiscal responsiblity only brings up their fiscal responsibility when a Democrat is in the White House. Congress (both parties) has failed the voters in driving the national debt up and over $20 trillion. I agree with Impartial7, that a better replacement be found. Further, I would suggest that the defense spending be seriously looked at, as it accounts for a large portion of the U.S. budget.

  • stevo123 Driggs, ID
    March 19, 2018 4:33 p.m.

    @ Thid, How credible is the Daily Caller?

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    March 19, 2018 4:30 p.m.

    "Lee has never voted for an omnibus spending bill but isn't taking any position on this bill until after reading it, said his spokesman, Conn Carroll."

    He didn't read the 1.5 trillion dollar tax cut bill, did he? He said "Republicans were elected to repeal Obamacare". Republicans were elected to repeal AND replace Obamacare with something "better and cheaper-day one". Mike Lee has no problem giving the wealthy tax cuts, just like he has no problem harming lower income Americans.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    March 19, 2018 4:23 p.m.

    Taxpayers will pay over $53,000 per each person newly insured under Obamacare, according to a Daily Caller News Foundation analysis of the Congressional Budget Office data. How do you spell failure? It would be absurd to fund this failure anymore!