Dear Flashback - Kearns, UT,It's cowardly for you to post anonymously
and accuse me of this debacle, but I am not guilty of what you have charged me
with. And I always post in my real name, because I believe in being
accountable and transparent. I am not part of the Gang Of 51, and I most
certainly did not vote for the special SCC meeting bylaw change that would
remove signature-gathering candidates from being a Republican on the ballot. In
fact, I was one of the 21 SCC members who voted against this horrific bylaw
change. Three years ago, at our August 15, 2015 state convention, I was about
the only one who tried to inform the state delegates that this was the direction
the party was headed. I was humiliated on the state convention floor by Enid
Greene Mickelsen for trying to do so. Enid, James Evans, and other party
leaders told delegates that we had to start changing our Constitution &
Bylaws to restrict party membership (and candidacy) because our attorneys told
us that was what we had to do in response to SB54, in order to have a shot at
winning in court. I could see where this was headed. I did not support it
then. I do not support it now. Please tell the truth.
Rob's reason for invalidating the by-law: "RONR Article VIII Vote. 47.
Votes that are Null and Void even if Unanimous: 'No motion is in order that
conflicts with the laws of the nation, or state, or with the assembly's
constitution or by-laws, and if such a motion is adopted, even by a unanimous
vote, it is null and void. No rule that conflicts with a rule of a higher order
is of any authority.'"It's been fascinating and
encouraging to see Rob Anderson, over the past few years, prevent a particular
member of Utah's own Area 51 from getting the power he seeks to enact his
private agenda. Keep up the good work, Rob!
@Flashback;"This by-law change was passed incorrectly. My
understanding from news reports was less than 50% of the total central committee
was in attendance at the meeting where the change was made.That means
there was not a quorum and they couldn't transact business per Roberts
Rules of Order."Well your understanding in incorrect. Don't feel
bad, the purpose of the Utah GOP is to mislead and change rules so they can
play unfairly. I know that you support them, so this should hurt your
sensibilities. The rules for a "quorum" in the Utah Central Committee is
only 27. That's right, they changed the rules so that a small minority of
27 can pass laws with a 2/3 vote (2/3 of 27 is 18). So, the Utah GOP-
that's supposed to represent you, can in fact pass laws with 18 people.
And, that's legal, according to Robert's Rules of Order. Sounds just
like the Utah GOP-right?
This by-law change was passed incorrectly. My understanding from
news reports was less than 50% of the total central committee was in attendance
at the meeting where the change was made.That means there was not a
quorum and they couldn't transact business per Roberts Rules of Order.So Anderson is correct in ignoring the change.This sounds
like the Morgan Philpot/Nancy Lord wing of the party trying to have their way.
Steve B., I get you completely. I had the same sentiment a long,
long time ago, and then it just hit me one day: I cannot be a Republican.
Whatever my Party leanings are today, one thing is sure: I do not trust Utah
Sounds like these children need a timeout. I have watched the Utah GOP eat its
own over the last 10 years. These guys have an overwhelming monopoly in Utah
politics, yet they still can't act with integrity and maturity.
The Central Committee is off its rocker.Delegates chose Rob
Anderson. Why? First, because the party was wasting its energy suing fellow
Republicans. Second, the reason - to allow party leadership to ignore the will
of rank and file party members - was objectionable. Third, we were going into
massive debt to pursue the lawsuit.Rob Anderson was elected by
delegates to do one job: put this mess behind us and get the party to comply
with the law. The corrupt Central Committee has continued to defy the will of
not only rank and file party members but of the delegates.If we can
get enough reasonable rank and file Republicans to the caucuses we should be
able to oust these people who are steering the Republican ship into the
iceberg.Fabled Soul: you don't understand. No one has a
'god given right' to silence the majority of party members. That brand
of extremism isn't conservatism, it's king-men and secret
combinations.We as a party should make it our law to do our business
by the voice of the people (Mosiah 29). The voice of the people chose Curtis not
Let's get rid of the party system in our state and nationally. Let's
do term limits, and get the $ out of all our elections. Publicly funded debates,
short campaigns, vote for the most qualified and ethical person to do the job.
This would totally reform our government at every level and make for a better
state and country. People might actually feel hopeful about their government and
Liberal democrats and big government republicans hate the convention system, so
if you’re a conservative, it’s easy to support the convention system
and the republican committee members efforts to defend it. We won’t be
browbeaten into abandoning our God-given freedoms.
I have been contemplating withdrawing my registration as a Republican ever since
Bob Bennett was railroaded out at the convention. If the party successfully
eliminates candidates that seek signatures there really isn't any reason to
continue being a Republican on the state level. I cannot be a Democrat so
hopefully, a third party will develop strength if the signature gathering
efforts are derailed.
Well, I guess when Curtis votes for Nancy Pelosi for Speaker of the House we
will see what the petition system leads to.
I remember when the GOP use to represent the people of Utah and not just a
select group of "elites". Perhaps it's time to vote out these
people and get in some new blood before the party is beyond repair.
Back in the 1980s I went to GOP conventions. There was a meeting on Friday
evenings and the rest on Saturday. Friday evening was policy time. The
Convention members stayed Friday evening and we had the rights and opportunities
to pass, amend, rescind, and so many other options , to create the Utah GOP
Policy. Today, the Policy system is not even close to allowing the
convention members work hard to make sure GOP wanted the right policy. The
Executive committee took control of the policy (convention members would send in
policy, but was usually ignored.) The Executive committee, in reality, totally
controlled the policy. And as you watched it, the extreme far right Executive
committee (mostly with elected legislatures and elected Executives) pushed any
one out if your were not a far right member. It was done quicker than one
thought.Today, the GOP is no longer the way it was in the 1980s.
From Mid 90s to early 2000s, I went to the conventions again. It is not the GOP
we used to have. It is disappointing.We seriously need to replace
the members of those that are already elected.
Its past time for the citizens who consistently vote for republicans to stop
doing that for an election or two to finally show these extreme reich wingers
that they are NOT in the majority. They only have power because Utahns tend to
vote R without thinking.