Utah political leaders join chorus of naysayers on Trump tariff terms

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  • worf McAllen, TX
    March 8, 2018 10:42 a.m.

    Is it possible that many of our elected politicians have taken bribes and made our country pay more tariffs than other nations? Could this be why we have a huge trade deficit?

    Do we have equal tariffs among all countries?

    Could Trump be making things fair and it's stirring resentment?

  • mrjj69 bountiful, UT
    March 7, 2018 10:53 p.m.

    So Utah politicians are naysayers on this particular action, but want to name a road after trump?? How typical....

  • NeilT Ogden, UT
    March 7, 2018 5:32 p.m.

    Many economists place some of the blame for the great depression on the Smoot Hawley tariff act. As far as how the rust got that way how about automation replacing factory jobs as opposed to trade policies.

  • olsarge8 Boulder, MT
    March 7, 2018 12:59 p.m.

    We have an area in the United States, known as the rust belt! Any of you nay Sayers and never Trumpers remember what this rust belt is and and how it got that way?

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    March 7, 2018 10:58 a.m.

    Article: "Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, noted the proposal could very well place burdens...on Trump's base constituency...'I think this would harm many of the same people who worked so hard to get him elected'"

    And this is stated as if it is a bad thing?

    The "people who worked so hard to get [Trump] elected" deserve all the "burdens" and "harm" that are heading their way as a result of Trump's actions.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    March 7, 2018 10:54 a.m.

    @james d. morrison;
    "kolob1 - a union does move a factory overseas indirectly when they drive costs up so high that the company has no other choice but to go overseas."

    That is so patently false. The driven up costs aren't a few dollars an hour. American companies were allowed (with no tariffs) to offshore labor to countries that paid wages for a week that Americans earned in a day. With zero benefits. Would you be willing to take an 80% pay cut? Could you live on 20% of your salary? The CEO's, Board of Directors, and Upper Management didn't take pay cuts, they multiplied their salaries 10 fold. Now, American workers are having to work for stagnant wages and diminishing benefits to compete. It's not the unions. It's Wall Street that's killing America.

  • PHQ Sandy, UT
    March 7, 2018 10:50 a.m.

    Typical, everyone complains about everything and has no solutions We need to have our own metals ( steel and aluminum for the defense of our freedom. Places tanks and ship's are built with met@metals, if we import them from any other country and a war does happen then where do we get our met@ls from?

  • Misty Mountain Kent, WA
    March 7, 2018 10:45 a.m.

    @rmk writes,

    After watching any WW2 movies how many think having all of our steel imported is a good idea?

    Good point. We are buying steel from China, Korea, Taiwan, Brazil, and Mexico. We may lose them all as allies at the rate Trump is making enemies and / or threatening wars.

  • SG in SLC Salt Lake City, UT
    March 7, 2018 10:31 a.m.

    Whatever our Utah elected official contingent's other faults may be, they at least have the good sense (for the most part) to acknowledge what is almost universally accepted by economists of all stripes; that tariffs and trade wars are bad for the economy, and that the harm they cause far outweighs any perceived good.

    To those pro-tariff "conservative" capitalists-in-name-only, you might want to google "Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act" and read up on what the economic effects of Smoot-Hawley were.

  • kolob1 Sandy, UT
    March 7, 2018 10:24 a.m.

    "all Trump is saying is that we fight back"

    Like buying Ivanka Trump's dresses from China Indonesia and the Phillip[ines?

    Is that how we fight back ?

    Fight back ! Buy America and support your local Unions!!

  • james d. morrison Sandy, UT
    March 7, 2018 10:21 a.m.

    kolob1 - a union does move a factory overseas indirectly when they drive costs up so high that the company has no other choice but to go overseas.

  • goodnight-goodluck Salt Lake City, UT
    March 7, 2018 9:21 a.m.

    That's rich, they were fine when he mocked a disabled reporter, said nothing about his grab em by the ...... tape with Billy Bush, more silence accompanied the Stormy Daniels revelations, yet they're offended by his steel and aluminum tariffs?

  • kolob1 Sandy, UT
    March 7, 2018 8:55 a.m.

    For all of you anti-union far righters "Have you ever heard of an Union moving a factory overseas?"

  • Edmunds Tucker St George, UT
    March 7, 2018 8:51 a.m.

    Long term memory loss? Catch these Deseret News Articles about Steel and tariffs. Chinese firm gets OK to buy Geneva assets
    By Dave Anderton Deseret Morning News February 5, 2004 A federal bankruptcy judge sealed Geneva Steel's fate Wednesday, approving a $40 million sale of its core assets to a Chinese company.
    The sale to Qingdao Iron & Steel Group Co. is the beginning of the end of one of Utah's largest bankruptcy cases and prepares the way for Geneva's equipment to be dismantled and shipped to the Chinese coastal province of Shandong. Wow! shipped the equipment to China.
    so 3 weeks later?
    Dumped foreign steel is no boon to American consumers
    Greg Mastel February 28, 1999
    A chorus of critics has attacked the recent decision by the U.S. Commerce Department to offset the impact of dumped imports of steel from Japan, Brazil and Russia, imports sold at below their cost of production or below their home market price. The critics argue that this unfairly priced steel should be accepted as a gift to consumers. Rather than imposing duties or taking other measures to raise the price to reflect its true market value, the US should accept dumped steel gladly and congratulate itself.

  • Lia Sandy, UT
    March 7, 2018 8:51 a.m.

    trump is getting advice from people ill-equipped to do so...his family.
    We need a REAL president...we need a White House not buried in scandal, infighting, and utter chaos.
    The GOP, in it's current state, is an unmitigated disaster.

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    March 7, 2018 8:38 a.m.

    Gary Cohn follows Hope Hicks out the door and after doing the important work of engaging in a 6AM twitter fight with Alec Baldwin our wise leader does this---because he can and he's mighty teed off with life right about now. There are still people in this nation who think he's got it all under control and is a pretty smooth operator and negotiator. And that folks--is why we are quickly becoming second rate and a bit of a joke in the eyes of the world. You'll notice that I wrote "Quickly" rather than "slowly but surely". The US and it's Presidency stood tall in the eyes of the world under Mr. Obama, his Cabinet and his family. That's just undeniable. President Trump has barely been at this game a year and what many predicted would come true has come true. The rest of the world does not differentiate between Donald Trump and Americans. He is what he is---and we are the ones who put him in office. Nov '18? Please come soon and save us!

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    March 7, 2018 8:29 a.m.

    Every single one of Utah's Republican Congressional folks are made of mush. They will huff and puff a little, then fold like a cheap house of cards. They have the power to act, to enact legislation. But watch, they will wring their hands a little for the benefit of certain contributors, and nothing whatsoever will happen.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    March 7, 2018 8:23 a.m.

    American is in and has been in a trade war for at least a generation.
    Japan has subsidized their industries (auto and steel for example) if they would target US industries. This has allowed Japanese manufacturers to dump product on the domestic market and drive these industries to their knees.
    The US steel industry is a fraction of the size it was.
    Same with the US Aluminum industry.
    Same with the US consumer electronics industry.

    We used to have a trade surplus with every nation on earth.
    We now have a trade deficit with every nation on earth.

    I own a manufacturing business. I use an aluminum extruder in Utah. They have two multi-million dollar extrusion presses. China has one extrusion plant with 55 extrusion presses. Fifty Five. That exceeds the entire North American capacity.

    Their MO is to drive domestic industries out of business (made possible with subsidies) that then charge what they want.

    All Trump is proposing is that we finally fight back.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    March 7, 2018 8:14 a.m.

    Wait now conservatives want the steel industry back?

    I remember when they cheered their victory over the "evil" Unions and their strangle hold on the "corporations and owners." They then celebrated sending our steel overseas where reasonable (cheap) labor and, a certain casualness towards the environment was much admired.

    Remember after 911, the GOP leaders couldn't ship that steel off to China fast enough.

    Nope, he's not bringing anything home, and the tariffs will hurt us far more than his fan club understands.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    March 7, 2018 7:57 a.m.

    Don’t worry I’m sure Utah Republicans will come around, I’m sure that 2 years ago almost no Utah Republicans would have approved of any of the things Trump has done so far either. But now Utah is more supportive of Trump than just about any other state.

    Utah’s turn around on all things Trump reminds me of this poem:

    “Vice is a monster of so frightful mien. As to be hated needs but to be seen; Yet seen too oft, familiar with her face, We first endure, then pity, then embrace.” ― Alexander Pope.

  • TMR Los Angeles, CA
    March 7, 2018 7:40 a.m.

    History shows that tariffs - especially dramatic ones that invite reciprocal tariffs - are foolish ideas. In many cases, recessions and depressions were triggered by tariff wars. The mark of a country in decline is to close borders and start imposing tariffs.

    We have a president who famously does not read much and now that fact will harm the country. Of all of the destructive acts committed thus far by this president - and there are quite a few - this one will stand out the most.

  • Thomas Jefferson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 7, 2018 7:39 a.m.

    Here is the thing. Nothing matters anymore. Facts are not facts. In depth analysis is frowned upon. Intellectualism is verboten. All this brought on by the GOP in its 40 year attempt to convince the mostly poor religious right to vote for regressive policies against their best interests.

    Trump is just using the same pandering technique the reich has perfected. If it doesnt agree with what I wish were true then it is 'fake news'.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    March 7, 2018 7:32 a.m.

    The Steel companies should just get a trillion dollar subsidy to rebuild over ten years. It will be interesting when car companies in Red states layoff people when steel goes up twenty-five percent.

  • dreese Holladay, UT
    March 7, 2018 7:30 a.m.

    I have been in the steel pipe business and pipe fitting mfg. business for over 45 years. I have seen the past effect of government intervention and lack of fair tariffs in the past. These has resulted in the closing of most of the domestic steel mfg. companies, including Geneva Steel.
    Most states, because of US EPA laws don't want "dirty" industries. The steel pipe mills closed in US are not come back. Not possible. This is a tax on the American people. Do away with the tariffs on steel, but increase the tariffs on finished goods manufactured in Asia countries. Example: steel pipe nipples, malleable pipe fittings. Most steel pipe imported today comes from Thailand, Korea, or Vietnam. The raw materials (coils) are mostly produced in China. There is ONE domestic steel pipe mill to produce "gas pipe sizes" from 1/2" thru 2" Dia. They cannot handle extra business as their production is at full production now. Domestic steel producers have announced two price increases since Trumps announcement. I stand with our representatives. Forget the steel/aluminum tariffs. Too late to do any good. This will only create foreign trade wars, inflation, and increase tensions.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    March 7, 2018 7:30 a.m.

    I can't decide which is worse, Trump's ignorance or his arrogance.

    Or maybe it's the GOP's ignorant arrogance!

  • GrainOfSalt Draper, UT
    March 7, 2018 7:25 a.m.

    We have lived far too long under this misguided notion of "free" trade. It has actually been very unfair to America and American workers, and our industrial working middle class has been gutted as a result. Yes, change in the economy is inevitable, but foreign governments have long engaged in heavily subsidizing industries such as steel, aluminum, automobile manufacturing, etc. Does this lower the cost of goods for Americans? Of course, but this is a superficial cost in light of the millions of jobs lost and the the real cost of lives needlessly disrupted, and in some cases, destroyed. And what about our national security that is necessarily built on a robust domestic manufacturing base? Our foreign competitors understand this principle and are extremely protective of certain industries. This is no secret. They speak openly of it in policy papers. We finally have a president willing to call it what it really is, and it is unfair trade. It is anything but free. And @Fullypresent...it is clear you don't understand our government. Trump has been given the authority, same as other presidents. You may not like it, but that doesn't make him a dictator.

  • HSTucker Holladay, UT
    March 7, 2018 7:21 a.m.

    Wow, reasoned, principled dissent on policies. Mr. Raymond must be new here.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    March 7, 2018 7:18 a.m.

    Utah Republicans don't understand what motivates this president.

    Instead of proposing a new Trump highway in southern Utah, maybe they could invite Trump out and propose a 200 foot high statue of Trump, to be placed on top of the Utah capitol building.

    *THAT* might impress him enough to back down from the tariffs.

  • carman Wasatch Front, UT
    March 7, 2018 7:04 a.m.

    To fullypresent:

    Re: “People need to keep standing up to the dictator who has forgotten we have a democracy.”

    What does an unsupported claim that Donald Trump is a dictator have to do with this story, or anything for that matter? Theses are the same silly comments the far right was making about Obama for eight years. It is sad that a frivolous comment like this would get any “likes” at all, noneless eight of them.

    We need less tribalism, fewer emotion, unsupported arguments, and more real dialogue and discussion on important policy matters. Instead we end up throwing tomatoes at each other with ridiculous, hollow arguments.

  • Jbejarano Eagle Mountain, UT
    March 7, 2018 6:56 a.m.

    I suppose Deseret News should run an article about Kobe Steel. Our Military needs only the highest quality steel for its ships and tanks. Think about our defense. We need a thriving local made steel industry.

  • liberal larry Salt Lake City, UT
    March 7, 2018 6:43 a.m.

    Utah republicans are up in arms against Trump's trade policies!

    Does this mean they won't name the highway after him?

  • The Meliorist Grande Cache, 00
    March 7, 2018 6:37 a.m.

    Aha.

    Trump is now revealing himself for what he really is, a socialist.

    So if I was an American steel worker I might at first be excited about this. Until I remembered that by hurting the economy of the countries buying my product I am also hurting their ability to buy my product.

    I would also realize that other countries would be less likely to buy my product because the tarrifed countries would now be looking at selling at lower rates to my clients.

    And it increases the likelihood of reciprocal tarrifs.

    In the end everybody's industries become less profitable. Except the government has more money in its coffers to provide welfare for the now unemployed steel workers.

    Of course Utahns, most of whom voted against Trump, think this is a dumb idea.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    March 7, 2018 5:26 a.m.

    So what will happen when trump's actions destroy our economy and middle class Americans lose everything we've worked for?

    Simple. Just use the usual trumpian tactic and blame it all on Obama.

    Make America Sane (and Safe) Again

  • rmk South Jordan, UT
    March 6, 2018 9:37 p.m.

    Wonder how many ex-geneva works think allowing cheap steel to be imported doesn't hurt American jobs? After watching any WW2 movies how many think having all of our steel imported is a good idea?

  • carman Wasatch Front, UT
    March 6, 2018 9:17 p.m.

    Hey, there are few people more for free-trade than I am. But Trump actually has a legitimate point. Free trade shouldn't be freer for one party than for another. We also need fair trade. That means that the market is not unduly distorted by unfair trading practices, subsidies, taxes, currency manipulation, etc. The past two+ administrations have buckled at the trading table and have given our trade partners better deals than they should have. This has helped consumers (particularly those who kept their jobs!) at the expense of labor, capital providers in our domestic industries, and even workers in countries that manipulate their currency to gain a trade advantage. These workers face weaker currency, higher inflation, reduced purchasing power and a lower standard of living. The foreign workers rarely recognize this hidden tax but their governments get credit for full employment and economic growth which allows them to retain power.

    Bad trade policy hurts many stakeholders, and transfers power and wealth to others. There is a reason nations pursue bad trade policies, and it generally isn't for the common good. At least Trump is trying to level the playing field.

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    March 6, 2018 9:16 p.m.

    People need to keep standing up to the dictator who has forgotten we have a democracy.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    March 6, 2018 8:41 p.m.

    Gee. Like they didn't see this coming. But, we're still going to name a Utah Highway for Trump-right?