Utah House panel ices bill to remove guns from violent, unstable people

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  • rmk South Jordan, UT
    March 6, 2018 10:07 p.m.

    It's always the legislators in the pocket of the NRA, funny why don't you list how much money they get from the NRA! It's a hard concept in today's world where one side feels the other sides opinion means nothing and they fail to believe that the other side votes. We use little things to takeaway your rights a little at a time. We have already saw in history what happens when government takes away guns, we don't want to repeat it.

  • Palmetto Bug Columbia, SC
    March 6, 2018 11:47 a.m.

    Constitutional amendments aren't absolutes. Many amendments have had boundaries placed on them for various purposes. The constitution guarantees religious freedom but courts allow regulating certain religious practices (e.g., human sacrifice). Even the sacrosanct 2nd amendment doesn't permit citizens unlimited freedom to keep and carry any weapon they want. The supreme court's 2008 decision even explicitly allows prohibiting felons or mentally ill from possessing firearms.

    The country has been talking about further regulating access to firearms for decades. It's time to actually do something.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    March 6, 2018 9:03 a.m.

    We need law based on sound principles, not laws created due to knee jerk reactions. Knee jerk is a bad way to make law.

    Sounds like studying the situation is the best thing to do to get a good bill that will pass constitutional muster.

  • Thomas Jefferson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 6, 2018 8:54 a.m.

    Our legislature is in the pocket of the gun lobby. Its pathetic.

    "Its a mental health issue" is a great talking point to distract from their silly addiction to money from the gun lobby*, but that is all it is. At the same time republicans are issuing this talking point to the sheep-parrots they are also trying to gut the very little we do for physical health care in this country (allowing insurance cover even less than is does now), let alone mental health care.

    Its all smoke and mirrors to distract until the next opportunity for them to issue 'thoughts and prayers**' after another group of children die, while saying 'its too soon to talk about doing anything about this problem'. A problem that no other modern country has.

    *Our campaign finance system is legalized bribery.
    **How to do nothing and still claim you are 'helping'.

    /I own 5 guns.

  • pragmatistferlife Salt Lake City, UT
    March 6, 2018 8:45 a.m.

    The American fanatical attachment to guns is bewildering to most of the world, and frankly to me.

    If one stands back (as the rest of the world does) it's absolutely unreasonable to believe that individual gun ownership represents power against a tyrannical govt. today, or that the solution to "gun violence" is more guns, or that all of our freedoms lay in the possession of military weapons.

    Despite all the tortured statistics and logic none of this makes sense to other cultures...why? If this were true on it's face, it would.

    IMO, the difference is less in right and wrong and more in cultural values.

    If one has ever learned another language thoroughly, especially a European language, you know the language reveals different was of perceiving the world.

    Something happened in America early on that served us well when individualism was more important than community and it's reflected in American English.

    Ask an American what "we" means and it will take some time before they get to any definition that indicates we are in this together. Ask a European and they will get to a co dependent community much sooner.

    Reality isn't us now.

  • ramrodd Reading, PA
    March 6, 2018 8:33 a.m.

    There are over 370 "mental disorders" listed in the latest version of the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.) The list includes "Tobacco Addiction Disorder" among other equally mundane and ridiculous so-called "mental illnesses."
    If the DSM is the standard by which politicians wishes to remove our rights to own guns, then I'd guess 90% of the American people could probably be classified with a mental disorder of one kind or another.

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    March 6, 2018 7:46 a.m.

    I think everyone has a wright to defend themselves. When I was in high school, bomb threat was the thing. I read the book by Dr. Susie, On My Way To Sola Salue. These guys might read it.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    March 6, 2018 7:24 a.m.

    Stupidity and the power of the NRA. Nothing more, nothing less.

  • Palmetto Bug Columbia, SC
    March 6, 2018 6:30 a.m.

    I don’t understand the opposition to this bill. People with serious mental health issues should not have guns. This bill would provide a process to remove guns from those deemed unstable. The bill may not be perfect but it’s a step in the right direction. In addition to this law we should do more to treat those with mental illness. The problem of gun violence doesn’t have a perfect solution, so let’s stop waiting for one and focus on the smaller steps we can take, like removing guns from the mentally ill.

    We need to stop placing gun ownership over safety. We may not be able to prevent mentally ill from committing all crimes or using other weapons but that shouldn’t stop us from keeping them from buying guns to hurt people. They may still find guns from other sources but let’s not make it easier for the mentally ill to kill people. This isn’t complicated.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 5, 2018 9:21 p.m.

    Few people, including the NRA would oppose taking guns away from crazy people.

    However, the devil is in the details and definitions, and due process. Before terminating constitutional rights, as opposed to frivolous privileges, you need to have exceptional justification, and a very well defined process.

    Given how badly multiple government agencies failed to act on the Florida killer, no one should assume that passing another law depending on government agents to protect us will be very successful.

    It's not the guns, its the crazy and evil people.

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    March 5, 2018 8:56 p.m.

    We know the NRA has the Utah legislature in their front pocket so this shouldn't be any surprise. If 20,000 more people were killed a year in Utah with guns it wouldn't change the gun laws. We value guns over people. Period.

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    March 5, 2018 7:54 p.m.

    Impartial, Girl,
    One of the dads of an 18 year old killed in Parkland recently spoke out and he does not believe more gun control or banning certain weapons would have prevented this tragedy. Even in his enormous grief he is still honorable in his clear thinking and defense of our God given rights. Too bad most the folks on the left can't do the same.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    March 5, 2018 5:45 p.m.

    @ Impartial

    "It's going to take a high ranking Utah lawmaker to lose a child in a deliberate shooting for them to even truly consider ignoring the NRA and listening to their constituents, many of whom own guns."

    More true words have never been said. The disconnect some of these legislators have is big enough to drive a bus through. Hello?

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    March 5, 2018 5:23 p.m.

    Our country will enter a constitutional crisis this spring and summer. The inability of the legislature to deal with gun violence shows how useless Utah state government will be in dealing with this crisis.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    March 5, 2018 5:09 p.m.

    If such a law is passed, it should have a sunset provision ( 6 months ). No person should have to hire a lawyer or be otherwise inconvenienced to get their constitutional rights back especially if they haven't done anything wrong.

    If a person has their guns taken away they should have the right to a 24 hour armed guard for the protection they can both longer provide themself. This will help ensure that government doesn't violate 2nd amendment rights unless it is absolutely necessary and that the person who's rights have been abridged suffers as little harm as possible.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    March 5, 2018 4:42 p.m.

    @Impartial7: "The Parkland area cops got called over 30 times about the shooter, many calls about guns. They sat on their hands because their Legislators also are in the pockets of the NRA."

    You're blaming the NRA for the total inaction of the Parkland area police? And the inaction of the FBI? And the inaction of the Sheriff's Deputy on duty?

    Have you ever checked to see how little the NRA donates to campaigns compared to other special interest groups? In Utah, the Teachers' Union donates far more each election cycle than does the NRA. The NRA's power is not in money. It is influencing votes by letting gun owners know how legislators and congressmen are voting.

    If someone is at risk of violent conduct, let's get him appropriate help. Rather than confiscating guns, while ignoring cars/trucks, and all manner of other potential weapons, let's make it easier to involuntarily commit someone or otherwise require him to obtain mental health services. Anyone more uncomfortable with involuntary commitment or forced medication/treatment than with confiscating guns, has severe bias and agenda.

    Due process, including compensation for valuable property taken, must be remembered.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    March 5, 2018 3:36 p.m.

    "This to me is more of a gun confiscation effort than it is a public safety measure," said Rep. Brian Greene, Pleasant Grove.
    The National Rifle Association and the Utah Shooting Sports Council opposed the bill."

    Gee what a surprise. The Parkland area cops got called over 30 times about the shooter, many calls about guns. They sat on their hands because their Legislators also are in the pockets of the NRA. It's going to take a high ranking Utah lawmaker to lose a child in a deliberate shooting for them to even truly consider ignoring the NRA and listening to their constituents, many of whom own guns.