To "ConservativeCommonTater" you do realize that liberals are the ones
shutting down any speech that doesn't conform to their beliefs. You are so
focused on trashing Republicans that you are ignoring the liberals and their
sprint towards fascism.
It seems that at every turn, Republicans are trying to stifle "Free
Speech." But that is only the things they disagree with.GW Bush
tried censorship when he barred Helen Thomas from the media pool. Then, he just
had her sit in the back row and never allowed her to ask questions.Trumps wants to censor the "Fake Media" except for Faux News.
Republicans are always trying to censor speech. That is one of the 14 aspects
@ Utefan60"....and taking our rights to happiness away."You don't have a right to happiness. You have the right to the
pursuit of happiness. If it turns out that you're not happy, I guess
that's just a bummer for you. But it is not an infringement of your rights.
"Many of us used to protest and stand firm for righteous ideals,
but we got older and become comfortable. The youth will become like we used to
be..."I think the youth will become like all generations before.
It's not that we become "comfortable," it's because we become
knowledgeable and mature. It's been said that the natural course is to be
liberal when you're young and more conservative when you're older.
That's because we first look at things from an emotional viewpoint and
later develop the wisdom to see deeper into the issues. I think the older folks
that never became more conservative just never learned how to look critically at
the issues and maybe lack the maturity to look past the emotional aspects and
see the reality.
2bits7 years we heard about how badObamacare was. We heard
about it’s repealWe heard about their ideas for a fixTort reformInsurance across state lines Stop waste fraud and abuse
Trump said the fix would be easyAfter all that blather the GOP
couldn’t even pen a plan that they could support Doesn’t
get any sadder than that. Or are you ok with it?
To 'Frozen Fractals" that is nice, but you have to look at historical
trends. Are we increasing in total homicides or decreasing?For
instance, if you take mass murders per 100k people, Australia has more.The question you should be asking is why have our rates always been higher?
now not no sorry
@JoeBlow - 10:48 a.m.RE: "My my. It sure is easier to complan than to
govern"...---Yes it is, and you should know. You complain more
than most.As for the list of things Trump hasn't accomplished
(in 1 year as President) that he talked about...President Obama
didn't do everything he promised either. Want to see a list? Google
"Tracking Obama's promises | PolitiFact"...And
remember... Trump has been President 1 year (and you are complaining he
didn't accomplish everything he talked about). Obama had 8 years and
never got these things done that he promised.This is just the top
few. 200 character limit:-Close the Guantanamo Bay -End
America's racial divide-End war in the middle east-Restrict
warrantless wiretaps-Reform mandatory minimum sentences-Secure the
bordersLike you said... just complaining about everything isn't
governing.That goes for Democrats too.
@NoNamesAcceptedSo rather then pull numbers out of thin air as seems
to be popular I did a little research. It turns out a recent poll by Quinnipiac
University in Hamden, Conn on Feb. 16, 2018 found 97 percent support among gun
households for universal background checks. No it could certainly be reasonably
argued that emotions were still running high after the parkland shooting however
the Pew Research center conducted a poll March of last year that showed 77
percent of gun owning household supported universal background checks. The point
being that to claim that those that support some reasonable forms of gun
regulations “are up against 80 to 100 million voters who own guns”
does not hold much merit.
Im surprised that the Republican controlled house, senate and presidency has not
come up with proposed legislation concerning violence in games and movies. I
mean, they talk about it every time as a solution.Come to think of
it. The GOP talks about a lot of things and then does nothing.Repealing Obamacare?Replacing Healthcare?Reducing the Debt?Reducing the Deficit?Immigration Reform?My my. It sure is
easier to complan than to govern.
It is hilarious to watch the gun worshipers claim that people will just use
other ways to commit mass killings. If that were the case why dont you just use
those other means to 'defend' yourself from the boogie-men you have
created in your minds?The reason you claim to like guns to
'protect yourself and your family' or to 'fight off a tyrannical
gubment', is because of how efficiently they work. That is the same reason
these children mass murderers choose these weapons. Its beyond time
to restrict the most dangerous of these weapons. Its time we require training
and proficiency to own dangerous weapons. Its time for the gun worshipers to
gain some sense on this issue. /I am a gun owner.
I didn’t know we were the only country in the world that watched American
movies, tv shows, and video games. I suppose we do live in the bubble of all
Same movies are shown all over the world, yet with the NRA's logic, it is
mental issues that cause this gun violence? That is actually true.
But guns do kill people! The prevalence of the free reign of guns without
proper checks and balances is killing our kids, our families and taking our
rights to happiness away.In many countries like Canada, common sense
rules their laws on guns. They are not disarmed either. But they do not have
the volume of guns that are available here in the US.Obama
didn't come to get your guns. However, the youth of America after being
murdered by the NRA and it's stance are screaming out against this
sickening proliferation of guns. It will be the next generation that takes this
issue on. Many of us used to protest and stand firm for righteous ideals, but
we got older and become comfortable. The youth will become like we used to be,
and with the volume of information and social media they will get some of these
corrupt politicians and the NRA on their knees. They will vote. And
they have a conscience when it comes to diversity, LBGT rights, minority rights,
equality of wealth, fairness of insurance and other ideas.
@NoNamesAccepted - I get most of your argument, but the idea that the NRA
hasn't turned from a gun advocacy group to a right wing political arm is
just not backed up by the recent comments by the NRA where in LaPage's
remarks he claims that any laws such as raising the age to buy assault rifles is
a socialist attempt to take over America and disarm us." they
hide behind labels like 'Democrat,' 'left-wing,' and
'progressive' to make their socialist agenda more palatable, and
that's terrifying." - Wayne LaPierre in response to what is going on in
Florida.The problem is Democrats own guns, hunt, shoot, serve in the
military.... The NRA has gone far from representing gun owners to now a partisan
political group where "guns" are simply their reason raise funds .
People of all ethnic heritages hunt and own guns.... the NRA has lost its
roots and is morphing into something it was never intended to be.
@RedshirtGun-related homicide rates per 100k/non-gun homicide rates per
100k/total per 100k:US: 3.5/1.38/4.88Canada: 0.38/1.30/1.68France: 0.21/1.37/1.58Switzerland: 0.21/0.48/0.69Sweden:
0.19/0.96/1.15Australia: 0.16/0.82/0.98Norway: 0.10/0.46/0.56Germany: 0.07/0.78/0.85UK: 0.06/0.86/0.92Japan: 0.00/0.31/0.31So our non-gun homicide rate is comparable to France and Canada, about
50% higher than Sweden, Australia, Germany, and the UK, and over twice that of
Switzerland, Norway, and Japan. If gun control measures cause more non-gun
homicides then why do we already have rates comparable to or higher than those
countries?@NoNamesAcceptedOur gun related homicide rate is
3.5/100k in this country, while our non-gun homcide rate is 1.38/100k. It's
not surprising we tend to focus more on the category responsible for 70% of the
homicides.We have states similar in total rates (NH and HI near
Sweden, and VT/ME/UT/ID/MA near Canada and France). And then we have Louisiana
(8.7), Maryland (8.6), Missouri (8.3), South Carolina (8.2) and Alaska (8.0)
which are more like Pakistan (7.81), Iraq (8.0), Qatar (8.1) and Ecuador (8.23)
Media with gun violence should be illegal==== as opposed
to; allowing a KNOWN mentally ill violent person easy unchecked access to
assault rifles and unlimited ammo should be legal?...
@ 2 bits"Actually if you checked things before repeating them
you would know that guns are not illegal in Japan. And they do have violence,
even mass murders. Same goes for Germany, Australia, and Canada. Not
Zero."We have a mass shooting (3 or more people killed) every
other day in this country. Think about that. The countries you mention do not
come remotely close to that in terms of gun violence.You know, every
once in a while there's a rare bird that gets blown out of it's normal
migration route over Europe and ends up on the coast of Maine. I like reading
those stories. That doesn't mean those rare, confused birds are invading
the United States. That the same hysterical logic you are trying to
@unrepentant progressive: "The only way to get semblance of sanity in the
country regarding the "gun issue" is to vote out the GOP."Good luck. In Utah, the Democrats have poisoned their brand since they were
the majority party. Too far left in the 60s and 70s.Nationally, 9
years ago Obama was in the White House with a filibuster-proof super-majority of
Democrats in the Senate and a solid Democrat majority in the US House. He pushed
through Obamacare, imposed a tax just for breathing.But not a single
piece of legislation was advanced that attacked my rights to own or carry a
firearm. Not a single gun ban, not a single magazine ban, no new background
checks. Nothing. Nada. Zilch from the national Democrats when they had the
power to do anything they wanted.Are they owned by the NRA? Of
course not.They just remember what happened after they passed the
1994 ban on scary looking guns and normal magazines.You are not
battling the NRA or the GOP. You are up against 80 to 100 million voters who
own guns. We'll be as "reasonable" on our guns as you are on
abortion, the definition of marriage, or bakers and adoption clinics not
providing services to homosexual couples.
@Frozen Fractals: "Well it's about time one of you conservatives admits
that gun control actually leads to a reduction in gun violence..."But not to a reduction in total violence it seems.Utah and Canada
have very different gun laws, very different rates of "gun violence",
but our total homicide rates are almost identical. Similarly, Utah and the UK.
I'm less concerned about "gun violence" or "terrorism" or
"drug violence" than I am with total violent crime.If we
want to work reducing on total violent crime, I and every other gun owner is
right there with you. Let's figure out how to reduce crime, and violent
crime in particular.The problem is, most people who focus on
"gun violence" are really focused far more on "guns" than on
"violence". We know this because most all of their proposed solutions
impose far more burden on law abiding gun owners and our ability to effectively
defend ourselves, than any burden imposed on criminals or the violently mentally
ill.Involuntary commitment, mandatory prison sentences, restitution,
access to mental health, violent media, and social programs that reward unwed
births all need at least as much legislation as guns.
I don't see the point of arguing with the NRA apologists about guns.The only way to get semblance of sanity in the country regarding the
"gun issue" is to vote out the GOP.
To "Frozen Fractals" yea, lets change gun violence into knives,
explosives, and car killings!!What have you done, the answer is
nothing. However, from a political standpoint you did something, even though it
was totally pointless and didn't actually solve the underlying problem.
so we should eliminate images of guns because images of guns kill but real
physical guns don't? the lengths that gun lovers will go to in order to
justify apposing even the most modest changes in gun laws is amazing to me.
RE: "Number of mass shootings at schools in Japan = ZERO!Same goes to
for Germany, England, Australia, Canada, and the movies... =
ZERO"...---Actually if you checked things before repeating them
you would know that guns are not illegal in Japan. And they do have violence,
even mass murders. Same goes for Germany, Australia, and Canada. Not
Zero.Don't believe me.Google "massacres in
Japan"or "Massacres in Germany"or "Massacres in
Canada".They have them too. It's not "Zero".And the United States does not have unquestioned access to assault
weapons for those with mental illness. Get a grip on reality. And
the determining factor is not the style of grip or stock on the gun.I don't care is we outlaw IRs, but that won't solve the problem.
You need to quit pretending that's the solution. I wish it were that
easy, but it's not..It's also not as simple as getting rid
of Trump, or everybody who doesn't vote he way you want.
@Redshirt"To "airnaut " the only reason why Japan does not
have the shootings is because guns are hard to get. "Well
it's about time one of you conservatives admits that gun control actually
leads to a reduction in gun violence...
"I'm surprised that no one has suggested that movies, TV shows and
online games that include shootings should be illegal. They are so prevalent.
That is where the inspiration comes from."Judith Jardine.False, absolutely no evidence, another distracting excuse to not address the
elephant in the room?What about the Bible and done't forget one
of the most violent religious books I ever read the Book of Mormon.There is just as much violence and twisted sick tales of humanity in those
books.But that's not really the problem, it's easy access
to many, many weapons.America is Number one in this aspect, and the
gun lovers, can't even be brought to discuss it.I own several
guns, but don't worship them as sacred gifts from God. I also
don't buy into the nonsense that I will defend my country against tyranny,
with my pea shooters, when our government has toys, you won't even see when
your removed from this mortal coil.
Perhaps the violence in games, movies, and TV shows could just be toned down a
bit. There is a big difference between the violence in old TV shows (from the
60s, 70s, and 80s) and the graphic violence that is common in todays media.Also, get rid of First-person shooting games where the person playing
the game sees everything from the shooters point of view.
Mrs. Jardine makes a good point, and there is some research suggesting she is
right.But, this is a POLITICAL debate...and politicians never say no
or suggest young people do without something.The movers and shakers
are already concerned about Millennials tuning out when it comes to politics.
They don't want to lose Generation Z.They won't ask them
to sacrifice. They will elevate them as the victims here, and try to score
points with them.Also note that there is very little criticism about
the lack of security at MSD High School. The wide open campus was a key element
to the carnage.Sadly, Washington will get it wrong...again.
airnaut 0:40 a.m.....giving easy, unquestioned, access of military
type assault weapons to the mentally ill should be illegal...As a
Veteran (which you so proudly claim in so many of your posts), surely you know
that an AR-15 IS NOT a military type assault weapon. Those weapons (M16s, M4s,
etc) are not for sale to the general public. Only those with a special permit
(I believe from the ATF) are allowed to purchase.
To "airnaut " the only reason why Japan does not have the shootings is
because guns are hard to get. That doesn't stop massacres. For instance,
one of Japan'smassacres occurred in 2001 at the Osaka school. There were 8
kids killed and 13 wounded. All of that done with a knife.The
Winnenden school in Germany had a shooting in 2009 that killed 16.In
England they have only replaced guns with bombs that are killing and wounding
more than guns do per incident.In Australia killers are using knives
to kill kids at school. Plus people are still getting guns and going on
rampages .In Canada they had the LaLoche school shootings in 2016
where 4 were killed.I don't know were you got your facts from,
but they are not very accurate.Getting rid of guns doesn't stop
the killing, that is a problem that has roots other than guns.
@airnaut 10:40RE: "....giving easy, unquestioned, access of military
type assault weapons to the mentally ill should be illegal"...---Let's examine your statement for accuracy and being rational.#1. "Unquestioned access"...We have Federally required
background checks. So it's not "Unquestioned" access.#2. "military type assault weapons"...ARs are semi-automatic
rifles. Just the grip and the stock are different. The internal mechanism is
the same as most hunting rifles.If you think the appearance of the
weapon is the problem... then OK. Because that's the only difference.
But I don't think the appearance of the weapon is the problem.Would you outlaw it because it looks different? Because they don't
operate different than other rifles.Automatic weapons (military) are
already illegal. If you outlaw semi-automatic weapons that would outlaw 90% of
weapons in existence. Most pistols, most shotguns and most rifles are
semi-automatic, and never kill anyone. Most ARs kill no one.We
need to address our culture. Not blame a specific weapon type.
airnaut wrote "- BTW -- Japan sells more 'violent' video games
than the U.S. by a factor of 2 to 1"What is your source for this
@airnaut "....giving easy, unquestioned, access of military type assault
weapons to the mentally ill should be illegal..."Already is.
See 18 U.S.C. § 922(d) at the federal level. Florida State has two
statutes regarding providing firearms--any firearms--to the mentally
incompetent: Fla. Stat. Ann. § 790.06 and Fla. Stat. Ann. §§
790.065.Turns out all the laws in the world don't do a bit of
good if they are not enforced. You know, kind of like how you like immigration
laws to be ignored? Except nobody wants these gun laws to be ignored. Not the
NRA, not this gun owner, nobody.Turns out the last two mass
shootings in this nation were enabled because of multiple failures of federal
and State government agencies to abide and enforce the laws that currently
exist. Those old enough remember cops in LA leaving Korean shopkeepers on their
own during the riots.And yet some folks want me to surrender my
self-defense firearms on the premise the government will protect me? Beyond
laughable.You might also consider whether lifetime bans for
non-violent mental illness reduces or increases the stigma that makes people
less likely to seek the professional help they might need.
The letter is obviously a bit tongue-in-cheek. But it highlights a
very important principle. When anyone starts talking about infringing on
specifically enumerated rights to solve social ills, we are walking a very
dangerous road.There are those who are openly hostile to the 2nd
amd. There are many others who are simply naÏve as to our
history of constitutional law. It wasn't until the early 1900s that the 1st
amd started being used to protect offensive speech; and really not until the
1960s and 70s that pornography and other such things were expressly protected
against community standards to the contrary. There have been dozens of 1st amd
cases at the Supreme Court over the past 40 years.In contrast, we
have a grand total of 3 Supreme Court cases on the 2nd amd. Miller, 1939,
protects military style weapons. Heller, 2008 recognizes that the 2nd amd
protects an individual right independent from militia service. McDonald, 2010,
declared the 2nd amd operative against State level infringements.Those who would minimize the 2nd amd stand at risk of also having
non-enumerated rights (abortion, marriage) and even established 1st amd
minimized via hostile court rulings.
Sacrificing freedom of speech in order protect the right to have a well
RF: "Media with gun violence should be illegal"...---Well I
don't know about "illegal", but definitely not for tweens and
teens. There is so much violence in movies now days. And so much sex.And not just gun violence, but violence in general. It seems like a
constant theme in movies catering to teenagers.We get together with
family a lot and sometimes bring movies to watch together, and it's so hard
to find something we can all watch.Hollywood is really not aware
that we exist (people who don't want sex and violence in movies and music
that target teens and tweens).I'm frequently surprised by how
much bad language, sexual content, and violence, is in movies that are obviously
made for teenagers.It's no wonder they grow up accepting stuff
like this as "normal".Sexting, swearing, and violence (at
least in talk if not in action) is very common in teens. I think some of it
they learn outside the home, because they're not being taught that's
OK to do in the home (at least not my home).Where are they learning
this stuff is OK? Who's teaching them it's OK? Not their parents I
....giving easy, unquestioned, access of military type assault weapons to the
mentally ill should be illegal...BTW -- Japan sells more
'violent' video games than the U.S. by a factor of 2 to 1Number of mass shootings at schools in Japan = ZERO!Same goes to
for Germany, England, Australia, Canada, and the movies... = ZEROThe United States and it's ridiculous unquestioned access to assault
weapons - even for those with mental illness - is the only determining factor.
IS it ok if I do not pay any attention Hollywood when it comes to gun control or
morality? I figure if I vote for who they hate I am doing the right thing.