Trump suggests he and governors would've rushed Fla school

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  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 27, 2018 3:16 p.m.

    This we can still have gun control because gun or no gun our president will rush the shooter and save the day. We can change the Republican motto from the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun to the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a stud Republican like our president.

  • Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 27, 2018 8:22 a.m.

    Trump says *a lot* of ridiculous things, almost on a daily basis, but this has got to be the most laughable of all his silly idea.
    Bullies are tough on the outside, weak on the inside.

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    Feb. 27, 2018 7:08 a.m.

    Trump's direct quotes speak for themselves.

    So let's just run the standard public service announcement:

    - Trump is a Republican

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Feb. 27, 2018 6:55 a.m.

    One thing is certain, not one government official from the FBI down to the local sheriff's department did anything to protect these children. The government failed and the Democrats blame the NRA? Since we can't count on the government to protect our children the only other option is to protect ourselves which, naturally, the Democrats oppose with irrational "town hall meetings" and anti-gun rhetoric! No protection means you and I are victims and the bad guys win! Refuse to be a victim! Stop electing Democrats, they are on the wrong side!

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    Feb. 27, 2018 6:13 a.m.

    I think the consensus on this thread is that the president engaged in some pretty far fetched braggadocio. Furthermore, it is doubtful (given his history) that anyone believes a word he said.

    And by his standards, that is quite some assessment.

  • Fabulous Jen Eagle Mountain, UT
    Feb. 26, 2018 9:54 p.m.

    Trump's pompous boastings do a tremendous disservice to those grieving parents and families who have buried loved ones. Trump's soul is empty and damaged.

  • Mad Hatter Provo, UT
    Feb. 26, 2018 8:08 p.m.

    Donald Trump criticized John McCain as not being a military hero. After being shot down over North Vietnam and undergoing years of mistreatment, torture, and abuse, McCain refused to accept release when his compatriots would have remained behind. Speak of insult to the whole concept of national honor, Trump is like the old drunk sitting at the end of the bar ranting into the dark about how great he is.

    Cadet Bone Spurs was a draft dodger when it came time for him to serve his nation. In fact, he never did anything for anyone if there was nothing in it for himself. Trump avoided the military draft with the lame excuse of bone spurs. Others with the same problem got drafted anyway. He bailed while these others slogged their way through the rice patties in Southeast Asia.

    A veteran's view about guns is very different from most people who have never faced hostile fire. Trump accepted over $30 million from the NRA. Does anyone really believe that he would go against his greatest benefactor in the 2016 election? Perhaps a few cosmetic changes, but nothing of any substance regarding guns and their availability. Nothing that will slow the sale of the million of guns produced each year.

  • Mackenzie Iwamoto Bronx, NY
    Feb. 26, 2018 7:35 p.m.

    After watching CPAC coverage on the news this weekend, I have decided not to make reference to "Republicans" or "conservatives" in these comments anymore if I can help it. Not that I don't disagree with the positions of Republicans or conservatives. There used to be liberal and moderate Republicans when I was younger, but those are all gone. They were driven out of the Republican Party in the 1960s.

    Today the conservative movement has been hijacked by the scramble for power, money, tribalism, and Donald Trump. The Republican Party has come to occupy territory previously inhabited by the fringe. Nowhere is this more evident than the issue of gun safety and the demand by the NRA to sell guns.

    The NRA, extremist gun fanatics, and Trump suggest that guns are more important than lives. There can be no mention of "guns" in any discussion of gun safety. They want to talk about "mental illness" or lack of religious training or some other issue . . . but never guns and their role in the problem.

    If, for example, vehicles became an intentional weapon for killing people by their drivers as we saw in New York, then one thought would to do something about these vehicles. But today it's guns.

  • Joe Leaphorn Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 26, 2018 7:10 p.m.

    Enough of the hilarious braggadocio of Donald Trump. It is obvious that he talks more than he should. Charging out unarmed to confront a mass shooter with a semi-automatic rifle determined to kill as many people as possible is shear fantasy. It is not even necessary to comment on the fact that when his nation came to call, Trump ran out the back door.

    More importantly, the primary role of a teacher is to stay in their classroom and help protect his/her students. It would be the height of negligence to leave them on their own and go running off to do something he/she would be ill-equipped, both training-wise and psychologically.

    Teachers are not law enforcement officers. They are teachers with a prescribed obligation to their students. They did not take an oath to "serve and defend". Apparently Trump and the NRA fail to recognize this distinction. Maybe this is why the days of NRA dominance are limited.

    The movement to find real solutions may depend upon major political shifts across the nation. The students marching today will be voting tomorrow, keeping this issue in the forefront and asking political candidates where they stand. This paradigm shift is coming will prevail.

  • Mad Hatter Provo, UT
    Feb. 26, 2018 6:49 p.m.

    Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

    You mean Cadet Bone Spurs?

    This is they same guy who avoided service in Vietnam to fight his war on the dating streets of New York and avoiding getting a sexually-transmitted disease?

    Donald Trump said he would rush out into the hallway, unarmed, facing the flying bullets, and take out the intruder. What nonsense. This guy is all hat and no cattle. However, we recognize that he would find a way to take credit regardless of who acted. Maybe he would announce that he is the most courageous person you would ever meet and have his loyal staff vouch for him regardless of the reality. Of course, you can imagine that he could never look General Mattis, General Kelly, or General McMaster in the eye again.

    Maybe Trump could file a lawsuit against the perpetrator? He's good at that. That's Trump's style. Or maybe he could send a tweet? Somehow he would find a way to profit himself from the tragedy. Like his having pictures taken of himself and a young woman lying in a hospital bed so it can be used for a fund-raising letter for his contributors.

    The only person Trump would protect is Trump. We've seen this TV reality show many times. Risk his life? Not a chance.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 26, 2018 5:11 p.m.

    I'm trying to think of other mass shootings... do police officers really ever storm the building? Generally the images we see is of them outside pointing the fleeing people to where they need to go, telling them to keep their hands up so they know the gunman isn't among them, stuff like that. The police generally aren't (to the best I can recall which could be incorrect) charging into crowds rushing the opposite direction to go after the gunmen when the gunman is indoors. It'd be more methodical sweeps when things calm down in terms of people inside being done rushing out or locking down.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Feb. 26, 2018 5:09 p.m.

    @Gary O
    I'm not sure where you get your info on party and NRA membership, but so what?

    Of course, there is real evidence that the school district played social engineers for grant money, trying to keep black kids out of jail. One of those pipeline plans that tried to make the Obama DOJ look better by NOT pressing charges against violent students.

    That plan was in effect since 2013. Resource officers were instructed to go easy on crime in the hallways. What's easier than staying outside and letting him take his shots?

  • UtahTroutStalker Draper, UT
    Feb. 26, 2018 5:00 p.m.

    If only Donald J. Trump had been at Pearl Harbor. He alone could have stopped us from having to enter WWII.

    Only supreme leader Trump is capable of saving us. I just know there is a red cape under that suit....

  • UtahTroutStalker Draper, UT
    Feb. 26, 2018 4:53 p.m.

    Next DJT will use his super human smarty brain to invent a time machine, then he will go back in time and stop the Romans from crucifying our Lord Jesus.

    Then though his shear will and determination he will convince the Mexican President to pay for that wall.

    Yeah right !!

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 26, 2018 3:39 p.m.

    Problem solved, just have a lot of seventy year olds without a weapon to bull rush AR 15 with hundreds of rounds.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Feb. 26, 2018 3:01 p.m.

    An absolutely excellent post, Joe Leaphorn. Thank you. You nailed it perfectly !

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 26, 2018 2:35 p.m.

    trump had the chance to do something and instead kept getting draft deferments.
    I do not believe for one second that trump would try and save anyone, even his family, if his life might be on the line.

  • Joe Leaphorn Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 26, 2018 2:25 p.m.

    Next we'll be hearing that Donald Trump personally took-out Osama bin Laden.

    Trump lives in a reality of imagination and hyperbole. Nothing about him is without exaggeration, even his hair. Now he tells us he would do a Rambo and charge into the deadly bullets shredding the lives of children. He's much more bluster than substance, a snake-oil salesman and reality TV personage who fantasizes himself greater then John Wayne at his movie best charging into the jaws of death at Iwo Jima.

    This would be a great laugh except that he's talking about one of the worst mass shootings in U.S. history. Maybe he imagines how different things would have been if he had been at the Little Big Horn and shown General Custer what courage was really like?

    We can seen historical revisionism at its height with Trump. No member of Trump's family ever served on active duty. Perhaps that's why he likes to surround himself with generals. He can be their commander-in-chief and have the spotlight of their service shine all over him.

    This is an insult to any law enforcement officer who has ever put his/her life on the line. He had the gall to stand before the Wall of Honor at the CIA and brag about himself.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Feb. 26, 2018 1:51 p.m.

    Hey Say NO to BO -

    Re: "This is an interesting thing. It appears that FOUR deputies failed to run toward the gunfire."

    Uh huh . . . And all four are Republicans

    And two are card-carrying members of the NRA.

    . . . So . . . What conclusions can you draw from that?

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Feb. 26, 2018 1:36 p.m.

    I was sitting in a food court doing some emails when I read about this statement this morning. I laughed hysterically as I envisioned our 71 year old obese golfer in chief rushing into that situation. Well, not rushing. Ambling, at best.
    He's obviously never been anywhere near the business end of an AR 15 with a large clip while it is being used. Plus, his Rambo-esque bravado now is certainly betrayed by the statements and actions he displayed in the Vietnam era. Remember when he told us that navigating the world of sexually transmitted diseases was his own personal Vietnam? I don't think the two equate.
    And, in the end, this statement is more than a bit insulting to every student and staff member who was involuntarily and unnecessarily put into that situation on the 14th. No lawmakers we've heard from thus far are or will be willing to look at real solutions, One of the solutions, I believe, is going to involve replacing a lot of lawmakers and so called leaders.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Feb. 26, 2018 1:28 p.m.

    DN won't allow us to post links to articles in other publications, but I hope they will allow me to urge readers here to search for an article published today in Atlantic Magazine's website.

    It's an article written by one of the doctors, a radiologist, who was on duty in the Florida hospital when victims of the school shooting were arriving by ambulance.

    He describes what a bullet from an AR-15 does to the human body as it blasts its way through.

    Every sensible American and every gun owner needs to find and read that article.

    Then, everyone who reads it needs to pause and actually THINK !

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Feb. 26, 2018 1:23 p.m.

    Our President definitely has all "the best words." He is awe inspiring, really. Our President Trump is a very brave man. Just ask him, he'll tell you.

    Trump would charge a shooter with nothing but his body, his superior reflexes, and his razor-sharp intellect. A shooter with an AR-15 would be NO match at all for our President and his ninja skills.

    To Trump, those high-velocity bullets would look as if they were flying in slow motion, and he would simply dodge them . . . Probably leaping, cartwheeling, and somersaulting around the bullets and into the shooter to deliver a death blow.

    And then it would be over.

    We are sooooooooooooooo lucky to have such man as president of these United States.

    None of us really knows how many missions Trump has already successfully accomplished with our special forces. He has probably led numerous SEAL teams through untold peril to assassinate killers around the world.

    And we thought he spent most of his time lying around in his pajamas tweeting insults.

    How WRONG we were! THAT was just a cover!

    Even now at this very moment, Trump may be swimming through shark-infested waters with a knife in his teeth . . .

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Feb. 26, 2018 12:51 p.m.

    This is an interesting thing. It appears that FOUR deputies failed to run toward the gunfire.

    Ferguson effect, perhaps?

    Now we see progressive politics in law enforcement coming full circle.

    This high school violated so many security and discipline best practices that it's hard to make a national policy from this tragedy. A number of the security protocols in effect for 20 years now in most high schools were NOT followed.

    Cruz walked right in to the school. He didn't have to shoot his way in or trick a locked door. He walked in. So much for banning someone from campus.

  • tabuno Clearfield, UT
    Feb. 26, 2018 12:40 p.m.

    Our President who avoided participating in the Vietnam War while Mueller, the federal special investigator looking into our President's collusion with our arch enemy Russia, did so honorable, doesn't seem to have a past history that would back up our President's words of willingness to confront potential danger personally. How can we trust the President's words when it seems he has create some much fake news himself? Simply having to raise this questions, demonstrates how much our President has destroyed the integrity of the Office he holds. It is a sad couple of years for our Country as it continues to descend from global leadership and its peak of global superpower. Whether or not any future President can bring America back from such darkness is questionable, it may be already too late.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    Feb. 26, 2018 12:14 p.m.

    "President Donald Trump told the nation's governors on Monday that he would have rushed in to aid students and teachers during the deadly mass shooting at a Florida high school."

    Nobody actually believes this do they, cadet bone spur, has the bravery of a draft dodging coward.

    What a sad little man.