The Bible gets a going-over by the 'toad people'

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  • Allen C Christensen American Fork, UT
    March 1, 2018 7:11 a.m.

    In the 1994 New Mission Presidents' Seminar, Elder Neal A. Maxwell said that God usually gives commandments without explanation. I think there is an element of that in President Kimball's request that the people in the area of eastern Idaho clean out their canals, etc.

    Such an approach still requires that one walk by or respond in faith. And the walk of faith seems to bring the greater blessing. Yet, these questions remain: "Just how much had the Lord's servants been told or permitted to know in advance? How much of their declaration was also an act of faith on their part?"

  • Husker2 Aspen, CO
    Feb. 26, 2018 12:52 p.m.

    Not all books in the Bible are meant to be taken literally. Some are historical and some are poetic. Some are letters (epistles) meant to provide spiritual guidance. People who take all of the books literally are mistaken.

    If Jonah didn't really survive a few days in a whale, it doesn't effect how I view Jesus Christ.

  • sharrona layton, UT
    Feb. 26, 2018 11:45 a.m.

    RE: What is real in the Bible? What does “real” mean? E.g..,
    Christian Churches have the image of the suffering Jesus Cross, Catholic churches use a crucifix.

    Most Protestant churches tend to use a bare cross to reflect the fact that Jesus overcame his suffering and death and is risen. Lutheran churches, which sometimes display a crucifix.

    The crucifix is reminder to love as He loves and to take up our own cross to follow Him. Therefore, the crucifix is a fitting symbol of His death for Christians salvation. He was crucified upon it, He died there, and He was taken down from it after death.

    Maybe a better symbol of the resurrected Christ, would be the empty tomb – He is no longer there, He has risen.

    But during Christmas we see Baby Jesus in the manger even though he is not a baby any more.

    “ we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumbling block, and unto the Greeks foolishness;(1Cor 1:23.)

  • CR Petersen LEWISTON, ID
    Feb. 25, 2018 6:46 p.m.

    Did the earth stand still or did it appear to stand still. Did Lot's wife immediately turn to salt, or did she return to Sodom, which was destroyed, and all of the area there turn to salt? Did the Red Sea part because of winds? Did the Jordan river dry up for a time because something up river blocked the river for a time? Did Spencer W Kimball know that the Teton Dam was about to burst when he told the people in the Rexburg area to clean out their canals (I was there)? In answer to the last question, I really don't think so, but I can still see the Hand of God in all of these examples, and thousands upon thousands more.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Feb. 25, 2018 9:28 a.m.

    @minniemouse;

    It could be true that Sauron forged a ring of power to control all the other rings as well. If you think that the Earth could stop spinning without destroying everything on it you're living in a fantasy world.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    Feb. 25, 2018 5:00 a.m.

    @ minniemouse

    "...they live in two mutually exclusive environments: water and land...[which] amounts to serving God and Mammon..."

    For your analogy to work, the case must be that a capacity to survive in two different environments is a disadvantage. Or that one of the environments is "bad." But neither is the case.

    Faulty logic aside, I wholeheartedly agree that Christian "toads" are playing hide-and-seek with themselves. But moving out of a magical-thinking paradigm is a process, not a light switch. So be patient with them. Many will eventually see their way out and will cease to be a source of offense to the literalists.

  • minniemouse Fredericksburg, VA
    Feb. 24, 2018 7:33 p.m.

    Toads are amphibians , meaning they live in two mutually exclusive environments: water and land, and while this is natural for real toads, it amounts to serving God and Mammon to paraphrase Jesus words, the Scriptures are either true or they are not, inspired or not inspired, reality or fantasy, there is no middle ground. It is sad that many Christian and even Latter day Saints are going for the " fable with a moral" interpretation of the scriptures. By the way, the Being who organized the universe can certainly stop the rotation of the earth without killing its inhabitants, confound languages and flood the planet, repopulate the earth with 8 couples and do many other things that are considered "fantastic" by today's Christians.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    Feb. 24, 2018 6:22 a.m.

    I was a toad person once. I see now that it was one step on my progression out of a magical-thinking mindset, so I'm glad for this further news that more and more people are reading their holy books in this way. If anything it makes them less dangerous. It's often the literalists that lead believers to acts of violence - physical, emotional, and psychological.