Utah senator day drinks before presenting bill to delay state's new .05 percent DUI law

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  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Feb. 23, 2018 11:24 a.m.

    most countries in the world have BAC laws of .05 or lower.

    EU states that the .05 level has reduced DUI deaths by 50% over the last 10 years.

    These same people advocating against the .05 are the same advocating for legalized marijuana. Same ones supporting PP genocide policies.

  • ray vaughn Ogden, UT
    Feb. 23, 2018 10:22 a.m.

    It would help improve highway safety if the state got serious about using a phone while driving. or made it illegal to shoot a gun with an .005 BAC level. The legislature, almost all LDS and gun rights supporters, are singling out only one factor of dangerous behavior.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 23, 2018 8:45 a.m.

    For those like Dubakis who claim a .05 limit won't help, please apply logic.

    If the .08 limit reduced injuries and deaths... why would lowering it again hurt?

    Would it make our highways more dangerous if people are not only not driving above .08, but not even driving when they are above .05?

    Can you see the logic?

    If .08 limit resulted in an improvement... Won't .05 be even better?

    There is absolute proof that the .08 limit saved lives. Google the research if you don't believe me.

    Google "Does .08 limit save lives"...
    Read National Highway Traffic Safety research on it.

    There's proof .08 resulted in improvement, but we are still having many alcohol related deaths. Why not do more?

    Google "Study: Utah's .05 Alcohol Limit Will Save Lives"...

    "The study is a meta-analysis of international studies on how lowering the blood alcohol concentration (BAC) limit works to prevent alcohol-related crashes. The study found that, when the limit was lowered from .08 to .05 percent, fatal crashes declined by an average of 11 percent. The conclusion is a straightforward espousal of lower BAC limits to prevent loss of life"...

    Where's your research?

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Feb. 23, 2018 8:41 a.m.

    Onanisland, prove your statistics. I'd be you'd be way incorrect in your assumptions.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 23, 2018 8:27 a.m.

    @long last
    RE: "Again, this law about .05 BAC is merely virtue signaling"...
    Was it "virtue signaling" when States passed laws against smoking in public places?

    Utah was one of the last to make that change.

    Is it only "virtue signaling" when Utah does it?

    Same for drunk driving laws. All State have them (not just Utah). Is that "Virtue Signaling"? Or only in Utah?


    RE: "One comment wonders why we in Utah shouldn't be first, I would suggest that it shows the rest of the country what backward moral hypocrites Utahns are"...
    California passed smoking restrictions before us... Did that show the rest of the country what backward moral hypocrites they are?

    Or only Utah?


    RE: "in that we don't, as a state, want any drinking of alcohol whatsoever"...

    That's not what drunk driving laws are about (stopping ALL drinking). They only stop drinking and driving. You can drink as much as you want as long as you don't drive.

    Drunk driving laws are about safety. Not stopping "any drinking whatsoever".

    You can drink all you want in Utah... as long as you don't drive after.

  • Onanisland Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 23, 2018 8:00 a.m.

    Anybody supporting .05 is doing so because your Mormons and you allow your religious beliefs to dictate legislation. We all know there's no separation between church and state here.

    Someone check the stats but my guess more people killed by guns in Utah than drunk drivers?

    As a non Mormon living in Utah and having LDS friends and learning about your sect you all need to take a hard look and perhaps modernize some beliefs..

    I have had some very interesting conversations with Mormons when separated from the herd.

    On the bright side passing the .05 law will keep you people in the "forefront of backwards".

    Glad I am not in the tourism industry.

    Are you going to pass laws that shorts need to be below the knees next?

  • Rocket Science Brigham City, UT
    Feb. 22, 2018 8:55 p.m.

    Interesting that Sen. Jim Dabakis gave his presentation at .05 but seemed to know that he should have someone else do the driving for him. Thank you Senator for that good example in driving safety and showing us wisdom in not drinking and driving even before .05 becomes law.

  • Rocket Science Brigham City, UT
    Feb. 22, 2018 8:48 p.m.

    Keep .05 right there OR lower to zero tolerance. If you drink don't drive. I don't drink alcohol but have had two accidents caused by persons who were impaired by alcohol.

    The restaurant claiming no effects at .05 is the fox telling that it is OK to let the chickens out.

    Fine, you don't want to take common sense arguments then how about: "Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the National Transportation Board both concluded there is impairment at .05 percent. National Academy of Sciences study that found deterioration well below that number."

  • jjjdsd CENTERVILLE, UT
    Feb. 22, 2018 5:14 p.m.

    Most the world have BAC levels of .05 or below but don't think you can show the list of countries representing the billions of people in those countries. Somebody is offended by the list.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Feb. 22, 2018 4:46 p.m.

    Those funny people in the following countries with their limits .05 and lower. Those stupid Americans, looks like Utah is ahead of the game for once.
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Costa Rica
    Dominican Republic
    East Timor
    El Salvador
    Faroe Islands
    French Guiana
    French Polynesia
    Hong Kong
    Netherlands Antilles
    New Caledonia
    New Zealand
    Norfolk Island
    North Korea
    Saint Martin
    Saint Pierre and Miquelon
    San Marino
    Solomon Islands
    South Africa
    South Korea

  • Elsleuith Eagle Mountain, UT
    Feb. 22, 2018 4:11 p.m.

    The Senator has now demonstrated that drinking and being over confident goes hand in hand. If you are driving a steep mountain road do you want to hug the mountain or go as far out to edge as possible? This is a good law and something needed in all 50 states. Let's get serious about drunk driving. This is a step forward.

  • Yar Springville, UT
    Feb. 22, 2018 2:44 p.m.

    If you think those analogies are sufficient to justify not implementing the new DUI law, you’re even further mistaken. Your analogies are nothing more than smoke-screen designed to distract from the problem at stake.

  • n8ive american Shelley, Idaho
    Feb. 22, 2018 1:39 p.m.

    I know many people who are unable to drive after ONE beer. I know some who can drink an entire bottle of rum in 2 hours and is NOT drunk. Everyone is different. But there has to be a standard limit that applies equally to everyone. Is it a moral issue or safety issue? Maybe ask those who had a family member killed by a driver who felt "perfectly fine" at .05.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Feb. 22, 2018 1:38 p.m.

    Again, this law about .05 BAC is merely virtue signaling. One comment wonders why we in Utah shouldn't be first, I would suggest that it shows the rest of the country what backward moral hypocrites Utahns are. . . in that we don't, as a state, want any drinking of alcohol whatsoever, but lack the guts to prohibit drinking.

  • BGuy Falls Church, VA
    Feb. 22, 2018 1:37 p.m.

    "Dabakis contends there is "zero" evidence that the lower level would save lives."

    This is either a flat out lie or willful ignorance. This is being promoted by the National Transportation Safety Board to be implemented in all states based on solid scientific evidence. If you are against this, you support some level of drunk driving, plain and simple. We need to change this culture.

    Special interests are fighting this tooth and nail because they are only worries about their bottom line. They know that one one state starts to implement the NTSB's recommendations, others will follow as they did last time. Beverage companies should be ashamed that they are putting their own sales above lives that could be saved based on the evidence provided.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 22, 2018 1:23 p.m.

    Why would we pass a law requiring Utah to be "Followers" and not "Leaders"?

    Somebody has to go first. Somebody had to go first on everything.

    Getting your alcohol level up to .05 before going to work seems like a lame demonstration to me. Guess it makes sense to some.

    The .05 limit is a limit before driving, not talking. Most people can still talk and stuff when they are above 2.0. Doesn't mean we should let people drive at 2.0. Lame demonstration.

    And the .05 limit isn't saying you are incapacitated at that level. It's to keep people from driving after drinking at all.

    It's to prevent people from having to do the Calculus while a little drunk to figure out how many drinks they had, over how much time, with or without food... and calculate if they could pass a Breathalyzer. The .05 limit encourages people to just give up and not drive after drinking at all (which is a good thing).

    There's plenty of people who can drive you where you need to go after drinking.

    Ever heard of this thing called UBER? They will take you anywhere you want to go. Just summon them on their app and they will be there.

    If you must drive that night... just don't drink. At all.

  • kaysvillecougar KAYSVILLE, UT
    Feb. 22, 2018 1:07 p.m.

    Mr. Dabakis and his buddies who support this legislation who the same straw-man argument that the pot-pushers use: "Yeah, but it's not as bad as . . . . . . . " Clearly there's data that shows this saves lives. Be smart and never, ever drink and drive.

  • banliberals Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 22, 2018 1:01 p.m.

    Why do I have this feeling I don't trust Dubakis?

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Feb. 22, 2018 12:59 p.m.

    Got to give it to the Senator, he definitely knows how to bring attention to an issue and instigate debate. With that said people really have no idea how many times their Doctor, lawyer, bishop, neighbor or family member has been with them when under the influence of some drug. This new law is more about inflicting someone's personal views on others than it is public safety.

  • Exercise4Health Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 22, 2018 12:37 p.m.

    "I'm at .05, and I feel perfectly fine."

    Mr. Dabakis, I'm sure the drunk driver who killed my 8-months pregnant niece and her unborn daughter probably felt perfectly fine as well.

    The FAA requires pilots to be 0.04 or less. Obviously, this is based on at least some level of impairment at 0.04.

    The old saying "better safe than sorry" applies nicely with this legislation. Let's let go of all the hand-wringing and lead the way on the societal scourge that is drunk driving, at any impairment level, whether or not one "feels perfectly fine." Way too many lives have been lost at the hands of irresponsible drunk drivers to just poo-poo the problem with "I'm at .05, and I feel perfectly fine."