Do these ex-wives receive pay for their writings?
esodije - ALBUQUERQUE, NM Feb. 14, 2018 7:48 a.m. wrote: A big part of the story
is that the ex-wives were “compelled” to tell their stories...by
media that never subjected Barack Obama, or any member of his administration, to
similar levels of scrutiny. It’s becoming more apparent all the time that
the media were extremely derelict in not doing so.Proof please, or I have
no option other than to chalk your claim up to the fake/junk news that is a
staple of the #MAGA crowd.
@ esodije, you are dead wrong. There was plenty of media scrutiny of everything
that went on in the Obama Administration, plus a whole industry of
misinformation. Same with the scrutiny of the Clintons. And yet, the Obama
Administration was remarkable clean and ethical. And despite the crazy
allegations which never end, because the right wing needs a boogy-man, nothing
ever proves out against the Clintons. It's getting really old, the far
right efforts to lie and destroy. But that aside, what do Trump and
Porter have to do with anyone else? This is about them. Let them be judged on
their own merits rather than trying to pull down others. Is that the kind of
morality and ethics that the conservative movement lives by?By the
way, some introspection by the Church might be in order based on the advice
given by more than one Bishop that is being reported. Maybe too much is asked of
local church leaders. I would love to see a robust discussion of that issue.
@water rocket:So if a spouse mouths off, it's OK to deck
'em one? Neither the law nor common decency support that approach.
@water rocket: "One of the male nurses confidentially told us..."That nurse violated medical ethics and HIPAA laws by saying anything at
all to you about another patient. He should have been fined, possibly
terminated, and could have lost his professional license. His total
lack of professionalism calls into question anything he said about that patient.
Meanwhile, I wonder what the actual story was. Not the "she
provokes him" line justifying the violence, but the real history. Because I
don't believe anything your unprofessional nurse had to say. People like
him give the whole profession a bad name. And it does not matter
what she said, there is absolutely no justification for violence.
Wow! Victim blaming here is pretty pathetic. So Porter had the bad luck to marry
two verbally abusive women, then get a girlfriend who was so abusive he had no
choice but to give her a tune up too? Real men do not hit women.
This has become, for some, a partisan issue. What it needs to be is a human
issue. The most dangerous time for survivors is when they come forward. I agree
that we need to be cautious, but because of the danger, I believe we need to err
on the side of those reporting the abuse.
water rocket wrote 10:35 AM: "The point is this; many women are verbally
abusive, and cannot understand the cause and affect of an over reaction by their
husbands/mates"So these women Rob Porter married just needed to
behave better and watch their mouths. We get it. Dinosaurs probably
thought that way too.
@Impartial7 - I don't see where this story references the
"unflattering" things the ex-wives had to say about bungling by the LDS
bishops. That fact is glaringly absent from this story.
Years ago I took a team mate to the emergency room for a sports injury. While
we were waiting, a middle aged battered woman came in. One of the male nurses
confidentially told us that this woman was a frequent visitor, and that she had
a bad mouth that would provoke her husband to anger.. The point is
this; many women are verbally abusive, and cannot understand the cause and
affect of an over reaction by their husbands/mates. I am in no way trying to
justify ANY physical assault, by man or woman, but it does take two to have an
@esodije: "... the ex-wives were “compelled” to tell their
stories...by media that never subjected [the Obama administration] to similar
levels of scrutiny."About 25% true.The ex-wives were
"compelled" to tell their stories in the sense that lying to the FBI is
a crime (see M. Flynn). As ex-wives, they were likely among the
first group to be interviewed as part of a routine security clearance
investigation. The higher the position. the deeper the dive.Porter
was subjected to the same scrutiny as any other high-level WH hire proposed by
all administrations (Obama, GWB, Clinton, GWHB, Reagan...)Ensuring
top WH aides are not vulnerable to blackmail by America's enemies is the
first chapter in National Security for Dummies. Perhaps Trump is still working
his way thru the Preface.Regardless. these allegations did not
emerge as a result of media scrutiny. Quite the opposite. The
WH/FBI knew of these allegations in Jan 2017. Yet it took over a year for the
media to break the story. This WH leaks like a seive. That this
story did not break sooner is remarkable. Something about this particular issue
must have spooked WH like no other.
Op-eds don't prove anything. If Porter did this, then he needs to be
slimed.In today's society, with an accusation of this type, you
are automatically guilty without a trial. Doesn't matter if the
allegations are true or made up.The current evidence makes Porter
look guilty, but there has been to trial. No discovery. No deposition.Like I said, if these allegations prove out to be true, then he needs to
be slimed. But he does deserve the presumption of innocence per our legal
system. Give him his day in court.I hope that the ex-wives do get
help with this. If Porter is indeed an abuser, then he ought to have to pay for
their PTSD and mental health sessions until they get to the point where they are
able to function normally.
A big part of the story is that the ex-wives were “compelled” to
tell their stories...by media that never subjected Barack Obama, or any member
of his administration, to similar levels of scrutiny. It’s becoming more
apparent all the time that the media were extremely derelict in not doing so.
Fan and Impartial Where did you get your information on interaction with
the church? Not from this story, and not from the DNews, which has been pretty
much silent on that part of thee accounts.
W hen a woman accuses a man she may be right, but the man deserves his say.
When two wives agree as in this case it is sort of guilty until proven
In many ways, the Porter scandal is emblematic of the wider story of a White
House that often hides the truth, blames others for its messes, appears
internally divided and simply can't get its story straight.
Think for a moment on the social circumstances required for these instances of
spousal assault to be publicly exposed and the perp finally called to account in
some meaningful way: the perp is a public figure serving the US President in a
very public role at a moment in our history when occurs a sudden and dramatic
public shift in empathy for victims of powerful men. How many victims of spousal
abuse in the LDS Church, the state’s most powerful and pervasive social
institution, do not have the platform or support to appeal directly to the
public for help, for justice, for protection when their Church and families
falter? How many more wives, dates and children of clean cut charasmatic men in
business suits, men treated with respect and deference because they affect that
priesthood look, tone of voice and behavior are being sexually or physically
assaulted-victims who will go unrescued? To be fair I have seen many instances
where general authorities have spoken out against abusive men in general. But
clearly much needs to be done at the ward and stake level to identify more
victims and get them help from professionals, not just the same bishop who
identifies more w dad the abuser.
"I walked away from that relationship a shell of the person I was when I
went into it, but it took me a long time to realize the toll that his behavior
was taking on me. (Rob has denied the abuse, but Willoughby and I know what
happened.)”Many abuse victims suffer from PTSD, or worse, the
destruction of personality. This is deadly and serious stuff.
I know so many strong, remarkable women, and a few men, who have been terribly
abused. The lack of support they received by many is one of the reasons it was
so difficult to speak up. They described situations very similar to these two
women with husbands or wives that appeared to be outstanding and attractive.
They didn't see any alarming behavior prior to marriage. I
admire Mr. Porter's ex-wives for not backing down or being silenced in the
face of great opposition. I believe them and wish them all the best.
The bravery and eloquence these women possess is compelling. Porter married some
good women and he deserves shame for abusing them. Orrin Hatch should hold a
press conference and completely retract his original statement about Rob Porter.
That's what people with courage and integrity do.
It's just so interesting that someone was actually advised not to say
anything in order for someone's career aspiration to be protected.
Kudos for the D-News for reporting this. Both ex- wives have some unflattering
things to say about the way the church and their bishops handled this. Thanks
for not burying this story.
It appears that you can have all the credentials and prestigious degrees in the
world, serve proselytizing missions for your church, and have an impressive job
resume, but if you fail to pick up some character along the way it's all