Rob Porter’s ex-wives write about their experiences for The Washington Post, Time

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  • worf McAllen, TX
    Feb. 15, 2018 11:22 a.m.

    Do these ex-wives receive pay for their writings?

  • Bob A. Bohey Marlborough, MA
    Feb. 15, 2018 5:59 a.m.

    esodije - ALBUQUERQUE, NM Feb. 14, 2018 7:48 a.m. wrote: A big part of the story is that the ex-wives were “compelled” to tell their media that never subjected Barack Obama, or any member of his administration, to similar levels of scrutiny. It’s becoming more apparent all the time that the media were extremely derelict in not doing so.
    Proof please, or I have no option other than to chalk your claim up to the fake/junk news that is a staple of the #MAGA crowd.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Feb. 14, 2018 6:54 p.m.

    @ esodije, you are dead wrong. There was plenty of media scrutiny of everything that went on in the Obama Administration, plus a whole industry of misinformation. Same with the scrutiny of the Clintons. And yet, the Obama Administration was remarkable clean and ethical. And despite the crazy allegations which never end, because the right wing needs a boogy-man, nothing ever proves out against the Clintons. It's getting really old, the far right efforts to lie and destroy.

    But that aside, what do Trump and Porter have to do with anyone else? This is about them. Let them be judged on their own merits rather than trying to pull down others. Is that the kind of morality and ethics that the conservative movement lives by?

    By the way, some introspection by the Church might be in order based on the advice given by more than one Bishop that is being reported. Maybe too much is asked of local church leaders. I would love to see a robust discussion of that issue.

  • shamrock Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 14, 2018 6:28 p.m.

    @water rocket:

    So if a spouse mouths off, it's OK to deck 'em one? Neither the law nor common decency support that approach.

  • GingerMarshall Brooklyn, OH
    Feb. 14, 2018 2:51 p.m.

    @water rocket: "One of the male nurses confidentially told us..."

    That nurse violated medical ethics and HIPAA laws by saying anything at all to you about another patient. He should have been fined, possibly terminated, and could have lost his professional license.

    His total lack of professionalism calls into question anything he said about that patient.

    Meanwhile, I wonder what the actual story was. Not the "she provokes him" line justifying the violence, but the real history. Because I don't believe anything your unprofessional nurse had to say. People like him give the whole profession a bad name.

    And it does not matter what she said, there is absolutely no justification for violence.

  • mcclark Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 14, 2018 12:45 p.m.

    Wow! Victim blaming here is pretty pathetic. So Porter had the bad luck to marry two verbally abusive women, then get a girlfriend who was so abusive he had no choice but to give her a tune up too? Real men do not hit women.

  • JBs Logan, UT
    Feb. 14, 2018 11:52 a.m.

    This has become, for some, a partisan issue. What it needs to be is a human issue. The most dangerous time for survivors is when they come forward. I agree that we need to be cautious, but because of the danger, I believe we need to err on the side of those reporting the abuse.

  • Fabulous Jen Eagle Mountain, UT
    Feb. 14, 2018 11:45 a.m.

    water rocket wrote 10:35 AM: "The point is this; many women are verbally abusive, and cannot understand the cause and affect of an over reaction by their husbands/mates"

    So these women Rob Porter married just needed to behave better and watch their mouths.

    We get it. Dinosaurs probably thought that way too.

  • sugarlaw Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 14, 2018 11:14 a.m.

    @Impartial7 - I don't see where this story references the "unflattering" things the ex-wives had to say about bungling by the LDS bishops. That fact is glaringly absent from this story.

  • water rocket Magna, UT
    Feb. 14, 2018 10:35 a.m.

    Years ago I took a team mate to the emergency room for a sports injury. While we were waiting, a middle aged battered woman came in. One of the male nurses confidentially told us that this woman was a frequent visitor, and that she had a bad mouth that would provoke her husband to anger..

    The point is this; many women are verbally abusive, and cannot understand the cause and affect of an over reaction by their husbands/mates. I am in no way trying to justify ANY physical assault, by man or woman, but it does take two to have an argument.

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    Feb. 14, 2018 9:44 a.m.

    @esodije: "... the ex-wives were “compelled” to tell their media that never subjected [the Obama administration] to similar levels of scrutiny."

    About 25% true.

    The ex-wives were "compelled" to tell their stories in the sense that lying to the FBI is a crime (see M. Flynn).

    As ex-wives, they were likely among the first group to be interviewed as part of a routine security clearance investigation. The higher the position. the deeper the dive.

    Porter was subjected to the same scrutiny as any other high-level WH hire proposed by all administrations (Obama, GWB, Clinton, GWHB, Reagan...)

    Ensuring top WH aides are not vulnerable to blackmail by America's enemies is the first chapter in National Security for Dummies. Perhaps Trump is still working his way thru the Preface.

    Regardless. these allegations did not emerge as a result of media scrutiny. Quite the opposite.

    The WH/FBI knew of these allegations in Jan 2017. Yet it took over a year for the media to break the story.

    This WH leaks like a seive. That this story did not break sooner is remarkable. Something about this particular issue must have spooked WH like no other.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Feb. 14, 2018 8:38 a.m.

    Op-eds don't prove anything. If Porter did this, then he needs to be slimed.

    In today's society, with an accusation of this type, you are automatically guilty without a trial. Doesn't matter if the allegations are true or made up.

    The current evidence makes Porter look guilty, but there has been to trial. No discovery. No deposition.

    Like I said, if these allegations prove out to be true, then he needs to be slimed. But he does deserve the presumption of innocence per our legal system. Give him his day in court.

    I hope that the ex-wives do get help with this. If Porter is indeed an abuser, then he ought to have to pay for their PTSD and mental health sessions until they get to the point where they are able to function normally.

  • esodije ALBUQUERQUE, NM
    Feb. 14, 2018 7:48 a.m.

    A big part of the story is that the ex-wives were “compelled” to tell their media that never subjected Barack Obama, or any member of his administration, to similar levels of scrutiny. It’s becoming more apparent all the time that the media were extremely derelict in not doing so.

  • Freiheit Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 14, 2018 7:48 a.m.

    Fan and Impartial
    Where did you get your information on interaction with the church? Not from this story, and not from the DNews, which has been pretty much silent on that part of thee accounts.

  • What in Tucket Provo, UT
    Feb. 14, 2018 6:56 a.m.

    W hen a woman accuses a man she may be right, but the man deserves his say. When two wives agree as in this case it is sort of guilty until proven otherwise.

  • Bob A. Bohey Marlborough, MA
    Feb. 14, 2018 6:14 a.m.

    In many ways, the Porter scandal is emblematic of the wider story of a White House that often hides the truth, blames others for its messes, appears internally divided and simply can't get its story straight.

  • Geoform Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 14, 2018 2:31 a.m.

    Think for a moment on the social circumstances required for these instances of spousal assault to be publicly exposed and the perp finally called to account in some meaningful way: the perp is a public figure serving the US President in a very public role at a moment in our history when occurs a sudden and dramatic public shift in empathy for victims of powerful men. How many victims of spousal abuse in the LDS Church, the state’s most powerful and pervasive social institution, do not have the platform or support to appeal directly to the public for help, for justice, for protection when their Church and families falter? How many more wives, dates and children of clean cut charasmatic men in business suits, men treated with respect and deference because they affect that priesthood look, tone of voice and behavior are being sexually or physically assaulted-victims who will go unrescued? To be fair I have seen many instances where general authorities have spoken out against abusive men in general. But clearly much needs to be done at the ward and stake level to identify more victims and get them help from professionals, not just the same bishop who identifies more w dad the abuser.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 14, 2018 12:05 a.m.

    "I walked away from that relationship a shell of the person I was when I went into it, but it took me a long time to realize the toll that his behavior was taking on me. (Rob has denied the abuse, but Willoughby and I know what happened.)”

    Many abuse victims suffer from PTSD, or worse, the destruction of personality. This is deadly and serious stuff.

  • JBs Logan, UT
    Feb. 13, 2018 10:50 p.m.

    I know so many strong, remarkable women, and a few men, who have been terribly abused. The lack of support they received by many is one of the reasons it was so difficult to speak up. They described situations very similar to these two women with husbands or wives that appeared to be outstanding and attractive. They didn't see any alarming behavior prior to marriage.

    I admire Mr. Porter's ex-wives for not backing down or being silenced in the face of great opposition. I believe them and wish them all the best.

  • Fabulous Jen Eagle Mountain, UT
    Feb. 13, 2018 10:18 p.m.

    The bravery and eloquence these women possess is compelling. Porter married some good women and he deserves shame for abusing them. Orrin Hatch should hold a press conference and completely retract his original statement about Rob Porter. That's what people with courage and integrity do.

  • FanOf"ChuckARama" Vernal, UT
    Feb. 13, 2018 8:34 p.m.

    It's just so interesting that someone was actually advised not to say anything in order for someone's career aspiration to be protected.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Feb. 13, 2018 7:05 p.m.

    Kudos for the D-News for reporting this. Both ex- wives have some unflattering things to say about the way the church and their bishops handled this. Thanks for not burying this story.

  • slcman SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Feb. 13, 2018 6:31 p.m.

    It appears that you can have all the credentials and prestigious degrees in the world, serve proselytizing missions for your church, and have an impressive job resume, but if you fail to pick up some character along the way it's all for naught.