I'm the guy who wrote the original letter. Let me clarify what I meant. I
didn't do a good job conveying what I was thinking.First, I
didn't write the headline. If I had, it would not have said "Talking
about suicide won't solve the problem", but instead would have said
"We don't know if suicide awareness programs increase or decrease
suicide rates".Second, I think parents talking to kids, and
doctors & psychologists & school counselors talking to their
patients/students about suicide is critically important.Third, just
as we would never broadly treat a deadly disease with a medication that had not
been scientifically proven to be safe and effective, we should scientifically
test whether suicide awareness programs and related media campaigns increase or
decrease suicide rates. If such studies exist, I'd be excited to see them.
These kinds of broad-based programs are what I meant by "talking about
suicide". I was too vague.Fourth, I was surprised to find that
in addition to correcting spelling and grammar errors, the Deseret News can
actually add words to Letters to the Editor - of the first 37 words of my
letter, 14 of them were words inserted by the Deseret News.
Fact Check says:"The Church loves and respects children living
with a same-gender couple, and welcomes them at Church meetings and
activities."-- Guffaw!!! What a load of falsehood."They are invited and welcome."-- They certainly do not
feel welcome. That, sir is a FACT.Mike R says:"There is a plan of happiness. It is never found in
self-destruction."--- I can agree with you for a change
(miracles never cease).J Thompson says:"A child
cannot serve two masters. A child who is being raised in a home with two daddies
or two mommies is not put in a position where he must condemn the actions of
parents."--- This ALSO applies to children being raised by an
adulterous parent or in a household of UNmarried heterosexuals. WHY are these
children not being "protected" also? BECAUSE your reasoning is not the
true reason at all. (the rest of your comment is just belief, not fact).
Here's something else we know, Tom. Religion triggers suicides.
It’s annoying to me that, uninformed commentators can stand on the
sidelines and pretend a “one size fits all” approach is the answer
to anything let alone unspeakable tragedy. It might suit you well to sweep it
under the rug but as time goes on society is realizing it is a bigger problem
than you ever knew as always has been.
May be its all in the words. Is it straight is the way or srate. As in the
migalen strate. I think ya need to find the the strate. Find Jesus.
Mr RichardsAgain religion injected into an argument. IMO, toxic. I
respect that you have sincerely held beliefs of a religious nature, and you are
certainly entitled to belief as you will. But, the issue of abortion that you
seem to be alluding to (and apologies if that is not the case) is off topic.Some of us don't believe that life begins at conception. And some
of us believe that a woman should have to right to choose whether or not she
must carry a fetus to term. Limits to a degree.We believe it, as
sincerely as you believe otherwise. Why are you trying to force us to believe
as you do? Are you asking us to accept theocracy?
Unrepentant progressive,Why in the name of everything holy would any
person cite his own authority to defend life when society has winked at
destroying life 60,000,000 times - not counting California which will not
release its count if abortions? Why would any youth respectfully listen to any
adult who morally flip-flopped when deciding who should live and who should
die?The center of life is either man or God. It can't be both.
Either God is our Father in Heaven or we are the creators who have crawled out
of the mythical swamp. If God is our Father, then God makes the rules, including
the rule that life is sacred, not to be thrown away when it becomes a burden to
someone, even if that person is self. If we crawled out of the mythical swamp,
then there are no rules of conduct except those set by mankind. If mankind has
no authority over life or death, then living or dying are opposite sides of one
coin. Flip it and see what you get.God does exist. God is our
Father. God loves us and has instructed us to preserve life and to love life
and to enjoy life to the fullest by keeping His rules about life.Thou shall not kill - each other or self. Life needs discussion.
How in the name of all that is holy, can anyone not see that keeping our mouths
shut about suicide is exactly the wrong strategy. If you are so blinded by your
faith tradtion as to believe that, I don't even know where to begin an
honest discussion for any community to deal with the problem. IMO, religion and
suicide have little to do with one another. And interjecting religion into the
discussion only muddies the water all the more.
The prophets of the Church teach the revealed word of God, just like Moses or
Noah did. Many times the prophets are ignored just like Noah and Moses were
ignored. Anyone remember the Flood or the Golden Calf?Christ chose
his Apostles and Prophets. Those men MUST declare only that which Christ gives
them to declare. They're not trying to satisfy anyone but the Master.
Christ revealed to the World that marriage is only between a man and a woman.
He also revealed that our sexual identity is part of our eternal being, not
something that we choose on our own.A child cannot serve two
masters. A child who is being raised in a home with two daddies or two mommies
is not put in a position where he must condemn the actions of parents. That
child is not placed under covenant until he can legally and lawfully make
decisions without permission from parents. Christ invites everyone
to change from what they are to what is vest for them. No one is exempt.
Change is required in every person's life.
@Impartial7Children of same-gender parents are welcome in priesthood
meeting. They are not baptized or ordained as minors because of the conflicting
situation it would place them in. They may choose as adults to be baptized,
receive the priesthood, serve missions, and participate in every way. They are
invited and welcome.
@FactCheck;"The Church loves and respects children living with a
same-gender couple, and welcomes them at Church meetings and activities."Really? Then explain church policy that children of SSM parents
can't hold the priesthood until they are 18 and need to denounce their
parents relationship. They are not welcome at meetings involving priesthood
holders, and it separates them from other 12 year olds.
Suicide is devestating. It destroys the living as well as those who chose to
destroy their own bodies. It settles no problems. We are told that we will
take every emotion, every thought, every desire with us when we leave this life.
We are told to face up to everything that bothers us while we are mortal.
Pretending that God will welcome us with open arms when we have denied his plan
that requires us to rely on the Atonement of his Son to handle anything and
everything that is above our ability to handle, is denying everything that God
stands for. Those who have attempted suicide and failed, but who have had a
glimpse of the other side, tell us that there is nothing warm nor welcoming nor
desirerable waiting for those who destroy themselves. Those who have seen the
other side through no desire for self-destruction tell of a wonderful
experience. They see a place of love, of beauty, and of peace. If
we help people solve problems, all will benefit. There is a plan of happiness.
It is never found in self-destruction.
@FactCheck;"The Church loves and respects children living with a
same-gender couple, and welcomes them at Church meetings and activities."That's patently not true. Either you are intentionally promoting a
falsehood or you honestly don't know church policy. Children of SSM parents
are not allowed to hold the priesthood until they turn 18 and formally denounce
their parents relationship. That divides kids early and that's not
conducive to good relationships.
The author of the letter simply doesn't get it. Talking about suicide, at
the very least, helps young people to know that they can actually do that
instead of simply acting out the impulse at a time when they feel they (almost
literally) have nowhere to go, and no one to talk to. Needless to say, however,
except for the most benign discussions, a parent who finds his or her children
in a crisis about this issue should also seek professional help immediately.
Honesty, love, tolerance, family support and open communications are critical
here and they go a long way in making sure that the kids wouldn't even
entertain the idea of committing suicide. It's a cruel world out there and
they need to know that they will always be truly loved and supported by family
members and friends.
If we don't talk about it, it'll fix itself. That strategy has never
@Impartial7The Church loves and respects children living with a
same-gender couple, and welcomes them at Church meetings and activities.
How about the dominate religion stop excluding kids of gay parents to
participate in church activities? Shunning is a major factor in youth suicide.