Apple vs. Ivanka Trump: Competing ethics collide in China

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  • GingerMarshall Brooklyn, OH
    Jan. 25, 2018 1:26 p.m.

    @Mike Richards:

    Apple is, arguably the flagship "liberal" company, while TrumpCorp is clearly the perfect conservative company according to the religious right political machine.

    So the argument is Apple having exacting high quality technical specs was the problem and not Foxconn having a toxic management culture.

    I assume your computer company allowed programmers to code "pretty close" to what was needed, and the hardware side to be installed mostly correct? Yes? No?

    Meanwhile, the real problem is people picking on the poor little rich girl running sweatshops across Southeast Asia - the Guardian took a long look at working conditions in her factories and published a blistering report last summer.

    Apple reacted to the situation by demanding changes.

    Trump reacted to the situation by claiming she "know noth-ink! Noth-hink!"

    When will Trump onshore her operations, paying union wages, providing full benefits, in factories that meet American manufacturing standards?

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Jan. 25, 2018 10:21 a.m.

    The question is NOT corporate responsibility otherwise the article would directly address Nike, Samsung, most appliance manufactures, most TV and electronic manufacturers and most clothing manufacturers. The article was nothing more than another Trump family bash. How many people who work for the companies that the Trump family contracts with have had suicides because a glass surface was 0.01 inch out of specification - as was the case for Apple's standards not being met at the Foxconn where employees were fired for that small of a discrepancy - employees whose extended family depended on that small paycheck.

    This was not an Apples to Oranges article. It dismissed the effects of Apple's "standards" which led to the suicides of Foxconn employees to unlisted problems with those companies hired by the Trumps to conduct business for them. Why not have an Apples to Apples article where all problems are listed, all suicides are listed and all company criteria that led to those suicides listed. Not one suicide has been attributed to the Trumps. Next, do some math. Those who make products for Ivanka Trump are paid almost 11% more than the average Chinese worker.

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 25, 2018 10:07 a.m.

    Trumps - Ethics? Oxymoron.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    Jan. 25, 2018 9:59 a.m.

    More examples of Trump royalty acting as though they don't have any responsibility for how they treat people, but the rest of you need to produce your products at American Facilities.

    ...and his sycophants can't wait to defend treating others poorly, well they're not Americans, so it's acceptable to conservatives and capitalists who put money above humanity as a value.

  • GingerMarshall Brooklyn, OH
    Jan. 25, 2018 9:48 a.m.

    @Mike Richards:

    The topic is corporate response and responsibility to sweatshop conditions in factories run by sub-contractors, not taxes.

    Apple, as a corporation, has worked to change the bad conditions. Trump, as a corporation, has ignored and denied the bad conditions while continuing to profit from near slave labor.

    And it is funny - their "MAGA" chant doesn't seem to include paying living wages to American workers in American factories to make Trump brand junk. Why is that?

    Meanwhile, Apple, along with many other global companies, incorporated their European operations in Ireland, which has very low tax rates. Apple is following the law in Europe.

    In the US Apple follows US tax law and pays US taxes at US tax rates. If you want to pay less taxes in Europe you need to incorporate your European operations in Ireland. But that won't help your US taxes.

  • Lagomorph Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 25, 2018 9:10 a.m.

    Mike Richards: “Am I responsible for the working conditions of the people who make those parts? … Are YOU responsible for the working conditions…?”

    Well, yes.

    Conservative defenders of Hobby Lobby argued that the company would be morally complicit in objectionable acts if it provided insurance policies to employees that covered those acts-- even though Hobby Lobby’s premiums would be pooled with others and there was no certainty that a Hobby Lobby employee would ever make a claim for those services. No dollar spent for the service could ever be traced back to Hobby Lobby. Hobby Lobby’s role in the objectionable services was attenuated and speculative, but that was sufficient justification for them to claim harm. With sweatshops the role of the consumer of a product in the product’s manufacture is much more direct and knowable. If you believe that Hobby Lobby is culpable in buying an abortifacient through its insurance premium, then you are absolutely culpable for the workplace conditions of that appliance you bought.

    You don’t have to personally inspect every Chinese factory, but there are ways to ensure better knowledge of conditions. Supply chain transparency is key.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Jan. 25, 2018 7:49 a.m.

    Ivanka needs to sell her trinkets and handbags as quickly as possible. She will probably seek to legally change her name in the near future..

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Jan. 25, 2018 7:35 a.m.

    Apple makes the most expensive computer product being sold to the average household. As reported by CNN Tech about Apple Sep 1, 2016: "The corporate giant paid just $50 in tax for every million it made selling iPhones and iPads to most of the world outside America, the EU claimed, equal to a tax rate of just 0.005% in 2014." Do the math yourself. You and I are in a 15% or 25% or 35% tax bracket. Apple's bracket was 0.005% or 3,000 times LESS than our 15% bracket.

    I buy electrical componets for the process contral computers that I design and build. Am I responsible for the working conditions of the people who make those parts? Am I expected to visit the factories where those components are made? Am I to demand that working conditions be changed OR, as Ms. Trump, am I to expect that those companies that I buy from that might have direct contracts with factories in China be responsible for the working conditions of the people who make the products?

    Look around your home. Are YOU responsible for the working conditions of everyone who made your China based items? Should YOU visit China and demand changes?