It seems to me that intentions to hurt others are hate crimes, regardless of the
We are adding more laws that duplicate laws we all ready have. These laws then
get abused. This is a hate crimes Bill with a different name.
All criminals are equal but some criminals are more equal than others?
I agree that crimes committed because of prejudice of any kind are heinous, but
who decides if that was the motive for the crime? Rarely is there real proof,
and as already stated, laws should apply to all. If someone murders me,
I'm dead regardless of their reason. Ditto all crimes. I think this law,
like many others is superfluous.
Some dislike faith, and unity in community and leadership in civilization.
Let's make bill also to allow greater freedom of thought and conscience.
Many throw names at people of faith and this goes unpunished, as it should,
because we can't punish freedom of speech. Wish we could have outlawed
most Hollywood movies the last 50 years.
Motive is an important factor in punishing a crime. A mother, who stole a
loaf of bread to feed her starving children should be punished less severely
than a woman who stole bread from because the baker was Jewish.Both
committed the same crime, but one was more damaging to society. This should be a
factor when dispensing justice.
No more laws are needed, we have adequate laws to handle all crimes. Lawmakers
should use their time to reduce taxes on the citizens of this State, otherwise
adjourn early and go home.
"Any time the victim of a crime is liberal, homosexual, or a racial
minority, police and prosecutors investigate looking for evidence of a hate
crime, rather than just a regular crime whose victim happened to be part of a
politically favored group."Do you really think all of that statement
is true? As a liberal by definition (I'm not a Utah conservative, and
that's the only other pigeon hole there is), my experience with crime and
the response to it is that it is just that...it's crime. For whatever sake
crime is committed. Gay people get stuff stolen out of their yards. Minorities
get hit by uninsured drivers. It's not a hate crime. But hate crime is
real, and big ol' rednecks with offensive bumper stickers are rarely
it's victims. I don't see that such a generalised statement is at all
true. Even if you say 'believe me' at the end of it.
@3grandslamsIn a crime there are often what we call mitigating
circumstances, items which make a crime less severe and aggravating
circumstances which make a crime more severe.For example, if
I’m pulled over for speeding, and it’s because I’m rushing my
wife to the hospital because she’s in labor, there is a good chance I
wouldn’t get fined. I still broke the law though.However in
the same scenario, but now I’m speeding in an area in which kids often
play. I’m still speeding, but we have determined this is a more serious
So, I already struggle with the concept of "hate crime." Does it matter
why somebody committed a crime? Shouldn't the punishment fit the crime
rather than the motive? That being said, my confusion with this bill is that we
already have hate crimes? How is this bill and the letter advocating it
advocating for anything any different than hate crimes? Basically saying a crime
is worse if you've targeted an individual because of they are
fill-in-the-blank. I don't understand the need that is unfilled.
Sadly, it is the way current hate crime laws are applied so unevenly when it
comes to the LDS Church that makes me oppose any expansion.These
laws are written to me neutral. So a heterosexual couple targeted for their
sexuality is, in theory, provided the same protections as is a homosexual
couple. An LDS congregation the same protections as a black liberation theology
church. A BSA office the same protections as a planned parenthood or pride
center. A white guy the same protections as a racial minority. In theory.In reality, the situation is far different. Any time the victim of a
crime is liberal, homosexual, or a racial minority, police and prosecutors
investigate looking for evidence of a hate crime, rather than just a regular
crime whose victim happened to be part of a politically favored group.But when an LDS church is vandalized, when a white guy with a southern bumper
sticker on his truck is assaulted by someone who expressed dislike for his
bumper sticker, those crimes are presumed to be just regular, non-bias
crimes.Hate crimes exist. But these days hate crime laws look like
a way to punish politically incorrect words more than anything else.
We should really stop thin slicing all the categories of hate crimes. We should
sometime should come to our senses and demand very harsh punishment for any
violent act towards anybody. When categories are created, the tendency is to
prefer a category over another. A punch in the nose is a punch in the nose, it
should be punished the same no matter what.