The term shutdown is overused and is a political ploy. There is no critical part
of government that actually shuts down. The parts that do like NOAA politicize
the shutdown via their website ...when the majority of their systems are
Are we so gullible that we can be made to believe that the 2017 Schumer's
shutdown is comparable the 2013 shutdown? In 2013 Mr. Obama used his authority
to inconvenience as many people as possible. He was ticked off because we
rejected his promise that every family in America would save $2,500 per year in
insurance premiums. He was ticked off because we didn't believe his
promises that we could keep our doctors and choose our hospitals. He closed our
parks and our monuments. He halted as many services as legally possible. In
comparison, under Trump, there was no attempt to close airports. Parks and
monuments were kept open when directors personally served the public. Trump is
dong everything he can to make America great again by doing nothing to preserve
Obama's legacy. Oh yes, one other thing, Obama and Senate
Democrats refused to allow Republicans to add any riders or amendments to the
bill under consideration, according to Forbes, Sep 30, 2013. Gruber
has stated that Obama's promise to save $2,500 per year per family was not
fiscally possible, i.e, it was a lie. Now, in 2018, Democrats put illegal aliens
This latest debacle won't even be remembered in 2 1/2 weeks when the whole
charade is repeated again. I doubt there will ever be a deal on DACA.
President Miller prefers no deal to a deal that allows more non whites to stay
and others to come. Democrats need to leave Trump out of this issue, he
knows nothing about it, and has little interest in it and unless someone tells
him it will affect the lack of employees at his country club.
@J Thompson, "Are you pretending that the President voted? Are
you pretending that he was in the Senate chambers?" I think
it's clear from my comment that I'm doing nothing of the sort, but
pointing out your belated realization of the same fact after conveniently
ignoring it 4 years ago. The GOP-led House, led on by cheerleaders
in the Senate like Cruz and your Mike Lee, were to blame for the shutdown.
Making Obama into a tyrant and Trump into a hero because the former viewed
national monuments as obviously non-essential in a shutdown is fixating on
absolutely ridiculous trivialities compared with the greater effects of the
16-day shutdown. Regarding blame for Obama then, would you have
agreed with this statement in 2013?"A shutdown falls on the
President’s lack of leadership. He can’t even control his party and
get people together in a room. A shutdown means the President is weak."If so, what is the difference when Trump is in office? Why does the
same not apply to him? After all, the quote is his.
With the recent shutdown we has a brief respite from Donald Trump's twitter
nonsense. Would that we could shutdown the White House alone. I believe that
all, Republicans and Democrats, could probably get some work done.
Boyd Matheson is spot on in his analysis. I join him in his frustration with
politicians on both sides of the aisle who insist on putting party first, people
and principles somewhere down the line...if they think of them at all.
In 2013, Obama was quoted by USA, Today: "President Obama insists he will
not negotiate major budget issues with congressional Republicans until they vote
to reopen the government and to lift the debt ceiling. ‘There are enough
votes in the House of Representatives to make sure that the government reopens
today,’"Reuters wrote: "President Barack Obama
stressed to congressional leaders on Wednesday that he will not negotiate with
Republicans over a government shutdown or raising the U.S. debt limit, the White
. "In 2018, CNN quoted Senator Schumer "The
President needs to pull up a chair to end this shutdown."Senator
Durbin was quoted by AP: "But at the end of the day, the president has to
step up and lead in this situation,"- - - So, what
do we see? In 2013 Obama said that HE would not end the shutdown until HE got
what HE wanted from Congress. In 2018 Democrats told Trump that they would
continue the shutdown until they got what they wanted.Any reader can
plainly see the difference between 2013 and 2018. Hopefully the voters will
remember what Democrats did to America on election day.
Again agree with Impartial. A pretty good piece. I'm pleasantly
surprised..no blame game.Instead Boyd did a good job of pointing out where
the mess came from and the strategies involved.Clearly the usual
blame game folks here on the right didn't read the article or just
can't get out of their own heads to discuss reality. And the libs have a
hard time not reacting in kind. If you're looking for who won
or lost here you're trying to predict the final score at halftime. For once Schumer was brilliant in his strategy and he has McConnell in a
box. Who knows how this works out eventually. If they get an open discussion,
and a DACA bill (even if it has some other concessions such as chain migration
etc.) they will be in good shape. If McConnell pushes this off again
after the kerfuffle he and his cohorts are going to be in a bad place.
We should have left it shut down. After 30 days, lay off everyone who
Res Novae,Are you pretending that the President voted? Are you
pretending that he was in the Senate chambers?Trump kept open the
airports that Obama tried to shut down by telling us that air controllers could
NOT work. Obama's attempt was stopped. Trump guaranteed that air traffic
would continue. Obama shut down our monuments and partks. He
succeeded in barring the WWII monument. WWII soldiers defied Obama by jumping
the fence of THEIR monument. Trump guaranteed that monuments would remain open
and that heads of departments, if necessary, would personally work those
monuments and parks. Obama tried to hurt America and Americans during the 2013
shut down. He didn't care that people had saved their whole lives for a
trip to see the monuments in Washington. So go ahead and remind us
of what Obama did. Some people may have forgotten how Obama tried, and failed,
to inflict as much pain as possible when he used every possible ruse to make it
impossible for America and Americans to move forward in 2013.
Why did McConnell reject McCaskill's "amendment" ? Why not read
what he said: “We passed similar legislation during the
government shutdown back in 2013. My hope is that we can restore funding for the
entire government before this becomes necessary. I’m going to object for
tonight, but we’ll discuss again tomorrow.”Why did he
postpone considering McCaskill's "amendment"? "Military paychecks are set for February 1. The Senate voted
overwhelmingly to end the shutdown on Monday afternoon. If the House follows
suit, there will be no disruption to military pay. But if something happens and
the legislation does not end up on the president's desk, or legislation
similar to the one proposed by McCaskill is not passed then military personnel
will have to wait for one or the other to nab their check."----When Democrats pretend that they were concerned with military
families, why did they shut down the government? How many bullets could the
military purchase with the government shut down? How many protective vests?
How many gallons of fuel? How many repair parts? Democrats
didn't care for our soldiers safety or lives. They voted to shut down
It's quite simple really. The remedy for this mess starts with the
individual voters who are fed up and should be banging the doors and jamming the
phone lines at the State Capitals across the nation demanding an Article V
convention of the states to amend the Constitution with term limits for the of
the Capitol elites who have turned a citizen representation into a career
opportunity. To amend the Constitution takes either the Congress to start the
process (like that's going to happen) or the States to convene an Article V
convention to invoke term limits on the legislative body.I find It
infuriating to read that the Senate Majority Leader has the been sitting on the
appropriations, and even more infuriating when you find that most Senators
haven't even read the proposed legislation. That makes him as bad as his
predecessor.So, if you don't mind Chucky wasting time with the
microphone, or the inept "Frank Burns" of the Senate using
appropriations bills for seat cushions then ignore it all and carry on.
However, if you're fed up you need only to demand that your State
Legislators add their voices to the growing movement for an Article V Convention
of the States.
@ Mike Richards, Sorry Mike the Republicans own it. 100%.
@viejogeezer - CARLSBAD, CA"Can you blame them for using it or should
they all just go home and concede everything to the Republicans?"Perhaps they should go home and come up with better reasons for why people
should vote for them instead of Republicans?
@Mike Richards "Those who still blame the President have been snookered by
Schumer. It’s to be expected that they will try to blame someone, anyone,
for their party’s weekend collapse."Nevertheless
Schumer's Democrats did the right thing morally in trying to protect the
Dreamer kids. I have no doubt blood lust among Trump supporters
will force the Republicans to renege on this deal. What then? There will then
be another shutdown. Democrats then will need to do the right thing again,
regardless of the consequences.As to the 2018 election, by then the
stock market bubble will have popped and you Trump lovers will be frantically
trying to explain that as it brings on the next recession. Of this I have
little doubt.Stream "The Ascent of Money" for an excellent
description of speculative bubbles. Trump and Company are blowing bubbles!
The words of many "Conservative" comments on this site and others
display what is actually wrong with the way our Legislative bodies work.It is the language of winning or losing, always with a political bent.
If one side wins, the other side is automatically a loser. "Loser"
incidentally a word often used by the current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania
Ave.Politics ought not be war, nor the art of making your political
rivals look bad or "lose". Politics ought to be trying to convince a
working majority that your view is best for the Entire Country, not just your
narrow political interests.I will leave it to each individual to
discern which party cares more for the welfare of the entirety of the US
populace. However, those who agree that "all is fair in war and
politics" ought be shunned for such crassness. It demeans our intelligence
and morality in general.
Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) offered a unanimous consent request so that there
would be no interruption in the payment of the men and women in the military in
service to our country.“I want to make sure that tonight we send a
very clear signal that we don’t want one moment to pass with there being
any uncertainty of any soldier anywhere in the world that they will be paid for
the valiant work they do for our national security,” McCaskill said,
calling for a resolution to pay the troops.Sen. McConnell, the Republican
Senate leader, killed the effort and OBJECTED to her motion. FACT.FACTS seem to bother some letter writers here. The radical right loves their
fake news and alternative truths.
@JThompson/Mike Richards,"There are those who actually think
that the President votes in the Senate."I and others pointed
this out to you ad nauseam when you blamed Obama for the 2013 shutdown. Now
that your man is in charge, we are grateful for your sudden understanding of
fundamental civics."When they caved, they showed voters that
they were willing to put our soldiers in peril for politics."Soldiers are neither more nor less in peril during an shutdown than they are
normally. But where was your outrage about the military during the GOP shutdown
in 2013? "Only after they saw the stunned disbelief on the
faces of their voters did Democrats realize that they had burned a bridge that
will not be rebuilt before November."That's what Dems said
in 2013. The following year they lost the Senate. Don't count your
chickens yet."If anyone really thinks that the Democrats
“won” this battle...."Democrats got CHIP funding,
taking a major GOP chess piece off the board, and a pledge to negotiate in good
faith over DACA. A tactical retreat has put them in a better position with more
potential ammo for the next crisis in 3 weeks if McConnell goes back on his
If anyone really thinks that the Democrats “won” this battle, they
have not read the liberal media that has viserated Schumer and his ruined
attempt to blame Republicans or to blame the President in an election year when
doing nothing may have won some seats. Now that Schumer’s folly has shown
America inside the hearts and minds of those marching lock-step with Schumer,
the chance of Democrats gaining seats is somewhere south of nil and
non-existent. Those who still blame the President have been snookered by
Schumer. It’s to be expected that they will try to blame someone, anyone,
for their party’s weekend collapse.
The trump shutdown (in the past he's all but demanded they be blamed on the
president) is over for now. The dealmaker sat on the sidelines and watched while
it got patched up for a few days. In the past he promised us these would
be a major failure if he were in office. He's in office. The
internet really does bite both ways.
@Mike Richards "All spending bills MUST originate in the
House."And amendments to spending bills can come from the House,
the Senate, and the various committees."including withholding
pay from every soldier’s family."Not to worry, every bank
and credit union within a stones throw of any military installation has always
credited the accounts of their military customers the amount of their salary
during past shut downs and I suspect they would not hesitate to do so during
this shut down.
Anyone who honestly thinks that new legislation could be introduced mere hours
before the Democrats voted to shut down the government to exempt the military
from that shutdown know nothing about Congress. All spending bills MUST
originate in the House. The House did not originate a bill to exempt the
military from the actions of Schumer’s Democrats. The House did not vote
on a bill to exempt the military. There was no legal bill before the Senate that
had been approved by the House. Schumer and his Democrats voted to
shut down government, including withholding pay from every soldier’s
Re: "Shutdown insanity"It should be said upfront -- I
don't see shutdowns as insane, and I have no particular aversion to
shutting down governmental insanity. "Who governs least, governs best,"
and the less time and opportunity government has to "fix" our problems,
the less likely it is to further foul things up for us.But, fair is
fair -- the only people that could have avoided this shutdown were all
Democrats. And, most prominent among them was Chuck Schumer. My biggest regret
is that the shutdown didn't last longer. But, that said, it should be
attributed properly -- to Schumer and Democrats.Further, the
Senators least concerned about those that elected them were all Democrats.
Again, full disclosure -- I have no aversion to a dreamer solution, so long as
it assures there won't be a new influx of them. But, no "dreamer"
legally cast a single vote for those invoking their "plight" to justify
demagoguery. Even when handed an opportunity to do so, Democrats still refused
to assist "dreamers," unless they could also assure open borders and an
unlimited supply of them into the foreseeable future.Insane.
Mr. Matheson did NOT vote to shut down the government. Mike Lee and all but 5
Democrats voted to shut down the government. Mike Lee and all but 5 Democrats
voted to put every soldier in America’s military family in despair knowing
that they would not be paid because Mike Lee, not Boyd Matheson, voted to hold
the pay from each of those families. Every American can easily find the names
of Mike Lee and every Senator who voted to not pay the military. No one in
America will find Boyd Matheson’s name on that list, no matter how Mr.
Matheson’s detractors wish that they could smear him for something that he
did not do.
The New York Times, Associated Press and Bloomberg News all agreed that the
Democrats shut down the government over DACA. Three days later the
Democrats blinked and surrendered because Americans realized they had cut
funding to our troops on the front lines and to the wives and children of
military families back home. Nobody won, but the Democrats lost.
@Mike Richards"The mother's and father, brothers and sisters, and
every American who respects the military will not forget that our soldiers were
used as pawns by Democrats. "McConnell blocked a Democratic
attempt to keep their pay going. Republicans shut down the government for
13 days in 2013, do you think they use soldiers as pawns?The Senate was
working on a bipartisan deal on immigration that would've averted the
shutdown. Trump rejected it and McConnell refused to hold a vote on it.
I am tired of all the partisan analysis of events as if that were the most
important factor. When I watch France24 I get a perspective that is not biased
by U.S. political parties, but by what our leaders say and do. We are not
looking very good to the French, and nobody blames "mainstream media"
for our challenges.With regard to the government shutdown, we look
very disorganized. I think we need to "Make America C . . . Again."
Suggested C-words include competent, compassionate, civilized, or consistent.
There are lots of good alternatives to the prideful "great," a word that
seems to imply we must dominate, as our highest goal.Our current
crop of politicians are seeking partisan domination, and are not doing what is
best for America.
@JThompson"Democrats in the Senate had the opportunity to be
bipartisan and vote to keep soldiers paid."Actually Republicans
did when Claire McCaskill wanted to bring up a vote solely to keep them being
paid during this shutdown. McConnell refused to hold a vote on it.
There are those who actually think that the President votes in the Senate.
There are actually those who believe that the President can write legislation.
Those people are wrong. They either haven't read the Constitutin, or they
reject it.Democrats in the Senate had the opportunity to be
bipartisan and vote to keep soldiers paid. They rejected our soldiers'
needs in order to demand that illegal aliens be treated as citizens. They
followed Chuck Schumer's lead and showed America their contempt for the
military and for every American citizen who depends on the government. Only
after they saw the stunned disbelief on the faces of their voters did Democrats
realize that they had burned a bridge that will not be rebuilt before November.
Interesting that Boyd's old boss, Mike Lee, is the kiing of the government
shutdown. Boyd was even his chief of staff the last time Lee and his ilk shut
it all down.
Republicans offered three versions of the Bill, each of which was totally
rejected by Democrats. A vote was taken, requiring at least 9 Democrats, even
if Lee had not voted to shut down the government. Only 5 Democrats joined with
Republicans to keep the government open. It was not the fault of Republicans.
By themselves, on this type of bill, Republicans could do nothing. Expecting
either Republicas or Democrats to change the way the game is played in an
election year is a joke. Both parties laid it all on the line. The Democrats
blinked and lost big time. When they caved, they showed voters that they were
willing to put our soldiers in peril for politics. The mother's and
father, brothers and sisters, and every American who respects the military will
not forget that our soldiers were used as pawns by Democrats. No Utahn who
supports our troops will forget that Lee also voted to deny soldiers their pay.
For the last year we have had one party rule in this country. Democrats have
not been allowed any consent or even any input in any significant legislation.
This is the only time Democrats have had even a particle of leverage. Can you
blame them for using it or should they all just go home and concede everything
to the Republicans?
Re: "The government shutdown was first and foremost about congressional
dysfunction, and both parties are to blame"WRONGIt
was first and foremost our President's fault.Just ask Donald
Trump . . . “It always happens to be the top. I mean, the
problems start from the top and have to get solved from the top . . . The
president is the leader, and he’s got to get everybody in a room and
he’s got to lead.” - Donald J Trump 2015Face it: This
President is incredibly incompetent. He is the laughing stock of the entire
world. Our allies disprespect him.“World's Approval of
U.S. Leadership Drops to New Low" – Gallup NewsIf you read
that Gallup News article, you will notice that while our allies disapprove of
Trump, our traditional adversaries (like Russia and China) are happy with his
leadership.Why? . . . Because Trump is easily played, and he
weakens American competitiveness.Shutting down the government is
consistent with the anti-government ethic of the anti-American Republican
Party.. . . And Putin approves.
I'm surprised. Pretty fair piece from Matheson. He's acknowledging
what most Americans already know. Mitch McConnell is an obstructionist, pure and
simple. He started when the day Obama was inaugurated, he vowed to make him a
"one term President". He spent the next 8 years blocking anything Obama,
no matter if certain things were good for America. He's so conditioned to
saying "No" that he can't function now that the GOP controls the
House, the Senate and the White House. Time for Republicans to remove him from