Jay Evensen: Slavery in Utah thrives on ignorance

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  • L White Springville, UT
    Jan. 19, 2018 1:56 p.m.

    Slavery is defined as forcing someone to do service or acts against his will for the profit of the slave owner. We all know that slave owners bought people to work.

    Plural marriage, a lawful activity in America until 1890, was not slavery. Accusations have been made that those men who engaged in plural marriage forced young girls to join in marriage by threatening them with God's wrath. What a malious thing to say. ALL THINGS pertaining to all covenants were restored to the Restored Church under the direction of Jesus Christ, whose restored Church it is. All things. I repeat, All Things. Christ did not restore a partial church with partial covenants. He restored all things that he established at any time on the earth for whatever reason he established those things.

    In 1890, the Government outlawed plural marriage. It is NOT practiced by members of the LDS Church. Those who imply that those who obeyed that commandment used force are spreading malicious statements. Those who imply that those who obeyed that commandment were breaking the law are also spreading malicious statements.

    Today's sexual slavery is not authorized plural marriage.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Jan. 19, 2018 1:19 p.m.

    In another section of the paper, an article states that some of the people of Chile are accused of "calumny" (slander) by claiming as truth things that are not true. The same could be said of some of the posts in this thread. By using the generic name "Church", they try to lead readers to assume that they are writing about the CHURCH in Utah. That is nothing but lying by deception.

    Sexual assalt and sexual slavery are heinious crimes. Misleading people to believe that those crimes are practiced by honest, God serving people is malicious.

    It's time to root out from society anyone involved in human slavery. The CHURCH swiftly deals with any member who violates the law of chastity, on any level, be it with a youth or an adult. Sexual misconduct is not tolerated. Having sex with anyone outside of marriage carries grave consequences as does having sex with anyone of the same sex at any time. Enslaving people for sexual pleasure is not only against the law, but it carries with it consequences, that if not repented of, can be eternal.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Jan. 18, 2018 5:21 p.m.

    @JThompson;
    "That statement is highly suspect; but, since you made the statement, and you stated "Many of us", the burden of proof is on you. Please list the LDS Church Leader's name, the age of the wife, and proof that he used the threat of God on the young woman."

    You can't deny church history just because you choose to stop at certain dates. You know what I've stated is that both Joseph Smith and Brigham Young married 14, 15 and 16 year old girls because "God commanded".

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Jan. 18, 2018 4:37 p.m.

    Impartial7,

    You wrote: "Many of us are totally aware of the facts that some church leaders used the threat of God to marry 14 and 15 year old girls."

    That statement is highly suspect; but, since you made the statement, and you stated "Many of us", the burden of proof is on you. Please list the LDS Church Leader's name, the age of the wife, and proof that he used the threat of God on the young woman. According to all published records, NO LDS General Authority has married a 14 or 15 year old girl in the last 118 years, which is as far as the database went.

    You've made a very serious accusation, one which anyone who respects truth will not blindly accept. One which no court would ever accept without valid documentation.

    When the Deseret News prints an article on slavery and you tell us that the Church is in the middle of it, please don't take offense if we don't believe you.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Jan. 18, 2018 3:43 p.m.

    Re: "Back to the teenage girl with the Facebook page, an anecdote based on an actual case in Utah. Lucey underscores the dangers."

    An "actual case in Utah" huh?

    Where? When?

    As salacious and sensational as that story is, how come nobody's made a movie about it?

    Oh wait a minute . . . This isn't one of those big stories made up by Sean Reyes, is it?

    That guy lies more than Donald Trump. Remember when he declared himself the hero of a South American sting operation and ended up capturing sex traffickers down there. That story appeared in the Deseret News, but it was COMPLETELY unsubstantiated by anything other than the word of Sean Reyes.

    Don't forget . . . Reyes is the Republican Attorney General of Utah. And Utah's Republican AG's are INFAMOUS for their lies and corruption, although I must admit, they know how to weasel their way out of criminal convictions.

    So . . . If this is not a totally made up story, then I would like to see some verification.

    I haven't been able to find any on the web.

    Can ANYONE verify that story?

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Jan. 18, 2018 2:02 p.m.

    I'm afraid there are a lot of things in Utah that thrive on ignorance. After all, didn't trump win in Utah?

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Jan. 18, 2018 1:39 p.m.

    @JThompson;
    "Anyone who claims that anyone affiliated in any way with the LDS Church promotes polygamy, or the abuse of young women, is either ignorant of the facts or is being deceptive."

    Many of us are totally aware of the facts that some church leaders used the threat of God to marry 14 and 15 year old girls. That's not ignorance and it's not deception. To deny what I stated, is.

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Jan. 18, 2018 12:30 p.m.

    The title of this article is: "Slavery in Utah thrives on ignorance". Ignorance abounds. To be ignorant can sometimes be tied to taking the opportunity to learn.

    Anyone who claims that anyone affiliated in any way with the LDS Church promotes polygamy, or the abuse of young women, is either ignorant of the facts or is being deceptive. Polygamy was outlawed in the Church in 1890. Anyone who practices polygamy is excommunicated.

    Those who try to tie the members of the LDS Church to those groups who rebelled against God and the prophets of God, are either ignorant of facts or they have rejected those facts to promote another agenda.

    Polygamy has not been authorized for 128 years, yet some of those who reject Christ's doctrines of moral conduct, of sexual purity, of the proper use of the body, and of the need to change by repenting, would try to deceive those who are obedient to Christ by trying to link sexual preditors to the LDS Church. As the title says, "Slavery in Utah thrives on ignorance".

    Knowledge is easily obtained. Ignorance need not be a life-long problem.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 18, 2018 11:56 a.m.

    Where are the Police? Where are the programs to trap and punish criminals who prey upon the people?

    Put a bounty on these criminals sufficient to ferrate and capture the bad guys and girls. Make it more profitable to catch criminals than to be a criminal.

    Remove the sex ability of anyone involved in the illicit sex business.

  • Cactus Pete Centerville, UT
    Jan. 18, 2018 11:29 a.m.

    Impartial7 - DRAPER, UT
    You say "Utah is ground zero for men to prey on young girls by using God as the reason."

    If you are referring to the polygamist in southern Utah I would have to agree with you. Outside of the region of Utah may I suggest that you are offering a biased opinion.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Jan. 18, 2018 11:17 a.m.

    @JThompson;
    "Please cite your sources. Human slavery is NOT a problem with people who obey God. It IS a problem with the godless who use any excuse to prey on people."

    Sources? You live in Utah, have you ignored what happened in Hildale for decades and decades? Those people are closer to the mormonism of Brigham Young than today's mainstream lds.

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Jan. 18, 2018 10:38 a.m.

    @impartial7,

    Please cite your sources. Human slavery is NOT a problem with people who obey God. It IS a problem with the godless who use any excuse to prey on people. It IS a problem with men who prey on boys and women who prey on girls. It IS a problem with those who deny Deity's right to give humankind rules to live by; but, it is NOT a problem for those who follow those rules and change their lives to conform to God's expectations.

    You could just as easily have said that Hollywood is ground zero for sexual preditors who exploit young women and young men. Harvey Weinstein does not a community make, although there are many others like him in the entertainment industry.

    I think that you mistake God's followers with liars who claim to follow God for their personal benefit. Liars are liars. God told us, "Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him if a great millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea."

  • imsmarterthanyou Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 18, 2018 9:58 a.m.

    What a load of hogwash. This is just hype to get the people riled up. Just like all the false sexual assault accusations.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Jan. 18, 2018 9:57 a.m.

    @JThompson;
    "There is no excuse for depraved people to use our youth to satisfy their animalistic sexual urges. When people deny God and God's eternal truths about sex and sexuality, then society suffers. "

    Utah is ground zero for men to prey on young girls by using God as the reason.

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Jan. 18, 2018 9:34 a.m.

    Every resource should be used to ferret out those who prey on our children. There is no excuse for depraved people to use our youth to satisfy their animalistic sexual urges. When people deny God and God's eternal truths about sex and sexuality, then society suffers.

    I remember very well the day that my Grandfather talked to me and my cousins who were just about old enough to start dating. He told us that every girl and every woman is a daughter of God and is to be treated as such. He told us that a man must defend to his last breath, the honor of any girl or women at any time that anyone, man or woman, tried to take advantage of her. Those words are just as fresh in my mind today as they were almost 50 years ago.

    Sexual abuse, whether it is called slavery or anything else, is diabolical. It represents everything antithetical to human society. Anyone involved in that activity deserves the harshest punishment allowed by law.