I left Utah in 2005 because I could get no one to pay attention to this &
could not bear to watch it any longer. Even after the FDA came out with a Black
Box Warning on antidepressant drugs doubling suicidal thoughts & actions for
those under 25 Utah did not want to hear it. And with this new task force having
so many with massive vested interests in not looking at these drugs it will
continue to be ignored! (What vested interests? One example is NAMI who gets 81%
of their funding from Pharma according to a 2008 Senate probe by Sen.
Grassley.)While the rest of the world has ignored this to a fault in
one decade their teen suicide rate doubled while in Utah it has tripled! Pharma has given us heroin, cocaine, Thalidomide, Ecstasy, LSD, PCP,
Fen-Phen, Vioxx, Opiods, etc. With that track record seems reasonable a drug
could be the problem - when according to the Center on Public Integrity Eli
Lilly paid out $2.7 Billion in fines & settled 32,000 injuries during just
the first decade Prozac was out! I began testifying in cases
involving these drugs in 1992 & can tell you if you want to learn the truth
about the dangers of these drugs read court transcripts!!!
A task force will do no good unless they can get the legislature to put up more
money for mental health professionals. We are unable to get help for our foster
son who has talked of committing suicide because the few providers who accept
medicaid are booked for months ahead.
Lets see, the Safe Utah app doesn't really work too well, at least not if
you are going to any other college other than the UofU. Hopefully it works
better for HS students. That was the last thing the state passed, which was a
good idea if it actually worked. You can't seem to sign up for it unless
you are going to the UofU and hopefully a HS in the state.Social
media seems to be a negative, giving unrealistic comparisons for people and can
be used for bullying. Some suggest the sudden rise in suicides coincides with
when it was the norm for Jr high kids to have smart phones.
Therapy, medication, and seeing a doctor is expensive. High co pays or lack of
insurance are significant barriers to treatment. Probably one of the best
things the State could do is pass Healthy Utah or medicaid expansion. One thing
the state seems reluctant to do is spend money, even when the federal government
would pick up 90% of the tab. Hopefully the medicaid expansion initiative will
pass next year. It would also help with substance abuse treatment, which as a
significant risk factor for suicide would also help.
I believe that we all have ideas that could help. There are so many options for
help but unless you have depression you can not imagine what pain these people
are going through. Until this happened to our family, I had no idea, I felt
like most ignorant people that it is a selfish act. But this is wrong, our
daughter didn't have a selfish bone in her body. She tried to help everyone
she could but didn't know how to help herself. She was and is loved, she
was spiritual she was kind. If you have ideas, please contact the Task Force,
for any idea is a good, what we are doing isn't working so lets try
Teen suicide is perhaps the saddest loss of untapped human potential. I'm
glad that the topic seems to be getting renewed attention. While there are
conflicting points of view as to how to address the issue, the preservation of
even one child would be worth all the effort.
There is bad people, sociopaths. People the are lie'ers cheaters and
thrives. Their born that way and or they have learned to. Once you have
identified, ya got two choices. Attack or avoid. If you confront, let them know
you know how to expose em. They might move on to an easier target. But you make
sure you can protect yourself because might makes right to them.
Tolstoy - salt lake, UTMental health professionals are on the panel.
Involving religious and business leaders (those with significant interest in the
problem and who have influence on people) is necessary. No single entity has all
of the answers and having diversity on the panel avoids the possibility that one
limited perspective would prevail.
The increase in suicide comes as no surprise to me. As society moves away from
timeless values contained in sacred writ to one driven by tabloid headlines and
Hollywood standards, they stand on quick sand. All the king's horses and
all the king's men can't "fix" it. Such standards fail to
value all people, and instead focus on the sensational. We are finding that
"what goes on in Vegas" does "not stay in Vegas". It spreads
like a cancer. emb
I heard a speaker who suggested increasing Narcissism in society has help fuel
an uptick in suicides.If you are high on the Narcissism scale of
feeling entitled, that life is all about you & all about what you feel/want
can lead to being impulsive, do what they want without regard for what
family/friends would feel as the result of any irresponsible or harmful
actions.Heard this after the suicide of Dave Mirra, a highly
successful BMX rider & winner of several XGames medals. The speaker
suggested that Mirra's career in doing just what he wanted, followed by
losing the status he had reached & seeing other riders advancing to achieve
the place he used to fill, his unhappiness when he could no longer be the top
dog led him to be unable to handle it and be perceived as who he wanted.
And rather than enjoy his life with his family, he selfishly discounted-
or in Narcissistic fashion- didn't even consider or care about others &
the devastation of his wife & 2 daughters aged 8 and 9-- and followed the
'its all about me' line of thinking instead.I don't
know if this is valid hypothesizing, but have thought about that speaker's
theories every time I heard about a suicide now.
As long as they keep thinking inside the box, they'll keep failing. I like
that they're including a bunch of people from different backgrounds, but I
wonder how many of them are current suicide risks or suicide survivors.
That's the source of the information they need. And I'm not talking
about some lame 20-question survey. I'm talking about deep conversations
that get to the root and explore the details. They need to connect with and
glean priceless information from those directly at risk. These are the ones not
being heard. One suicidal person I talked to said that if they were questioned
by those just trying to honestly help solve the problem, they'd be as open
as can possibly be. They'd tell you their whole story, including all the
things they KNOW would be helpful to them, but that nobody was willing or able
to help with, including family, mental health professionals, friends, hotlines,
and others. If anyone knows a contact for this project, please let me know. Also, no mention of autism suicide. I hope they make that a major
Social media does not help. One of the 7 deadly sins is envy. We ALL compare
and contrast ourselves to others. And of course nearly everything people post
on social media are portrayals of success, happiness, fun, excitement, love and
joy. However, this simply isn't an accurate representation of peoples
lives. Many young people become disillusioned by social media and think
"I'm alone" "Im the only one that doesn't have this
success" "I'm the only one that does not have love". Many
young people don't have enough life experience to know that social media is
simply garbage and very deceptive.Some advice.... put down the
phone and computer and start to live life. Not a virtual life but a life in the
Here is the seed; and let’s keeping supporting for such good iniciatives
from emerging adulthood in our community.https://civolicy.org/
@KR67The death of a loved one by suicide is a pain I wish no one ever had
to go through. I sincerely apologize if I seemed onsesative before. Suicide is an issue that haunts me as a professional and as a person.
This is great news. Too many teens (and adults) think suicide is the only
solution to their current state. Too many young lives are ended to early.
Saving even one is worth the effort.
And as a father who lost his daughter I truly appreciate your concern on this
subject. Anything we can do as a community to help these people who feel such
disparate. Thank you for all you do.
@KR67If that is true then this article is very poorly written considering
it mentions church and business leaders and the only quotes are by a senator
with no mental health experience and a car dealer. As a mental health
professional with over 30 years experience I would have lived to attend had I
any idea it was happening and/or belief that I would be allowed to be anything
more then a by stander. I do agree that there should be some teenagers engaged.
That is just not true, there are a number of mental health professionals on the
task force. If you had of attended you would know that. But I would have liked
to see a high school student or two on the task force. Let's ask them what
Typical solution to social and mental health issues in Utah. “Let’s
bring together a bunch of business and church leaders to solve this issue
instead of the mental health professionals actually trained and experienced with