Lawmakers talk school funding, Medicaid expansion in advance of session

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  • mightymite , 00
    Jan. 18, 2018 10:47 a.m.

    These jokers do not represent the will of the people. They represent there own interests. These sessions are merely feel good formalities.

  • Zabilde Riverdale, UT
    Jan. 18, 2018 10:21 a.m.

    The initiative is a very bad idea. Legislation by initiative is dangerous anyway. But any initiative that ties directly into taxes and funding should be avoided at all costs. The legislature has a very hard time changing a law passed by initiative. This results in problems like California's Prop 13 Property tax fiasco.

    I strongly dislike legislation by initiative, it skips all the checks and balances of the legislative process and our three branched Representative Republic form of government. We are not a democracy and that is for a reason.

    The legislative process allows for debate and discussion and compromise, as well as fiscal analysis that identifies conflicts, shortcomings and problems before a law gets passed. An Initiative has none of that. A special interest group writes the initiative, and then it's how well they can advertise to convince the low information voters that their initiative is pure gold. But no real ability to change or alter it and no independent review of the fiscal and legal impacts of the initiative.

  • Zabilde Riverdale, UT
    Jan. 18, 2018 10:13 a.m.

    NO NEW TAXES. We have a state government supposedly controlled by conservatives. But every year it's a rush to see how many more taxes they can increase on us.

    I thought the change to how gas was taxed was supposed to fix the shortfalls there. Nope, they want to increase it now. (because gas prices dropped so the percentage isn't as much, where as before they got a set cut based on how much gas was sold, regardless of the price.

    We spend more per tax payer on education in this state and get far better results than many states that spend far more per pupil but far less per tax payer. The economy is booming that means tax revenues are increasing, we don't need a massive tax grab for education. And we need to streamline the administrative levels of education. SL County does not need a half dozen school districts, one per county just like in Davis county. Each School district has it's own six figure salary administrators taking money from the students. And duplication of services as well. One School district per county, no more.

    Every year Utah raises my taxes more and more. At least Trump has cut my federal taxes. My income isn't raising as fast as Utah taxes do

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 18, 2018 8:50 a.m.

    Taxpayers need protection from the scheme being hatched to double fund the demands of the education establishment by massive increases passed by the Legislature, AND the massive increases being sold to gullible voters by the "Raise my taxes" ballot initiative.

    The Legislature should make it part of their bill that any funding increases from it will become null and void if the initiative passes.

    There seems to be nothing in this article to indicate any appetite for review of existing state programs and expenditures to eliminate and repeal unnecessary or ineffective "good ideas" passed in prior sessions. (Other then repeal of the unfilled Porn Czar job.)

    Politicians can never resist the opportunity to spend other people's money to give stuff away and make themselves look good.

  • itswhatithink West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 18, 2018 8:14 a.m.

    I am less concerned about what they are talking about doing, than I am about what deals have already been made and bills to be passed pre-determined.

  • Edmunds Tucker St George, UT
    Jan. 18, 2018 7:29 a.m.

    '' $700 million annually'' - Please, don't spend it on open ended health insurance, instead open more medical school seats. Utah has 1 medical school (with another set to open). The Utah medical schoo(l)s graduate one third the number of physicians that the Utah law schools graduate. A medical school studnt costs about $100,000 a year, so the $700 million would support 7,000 medical student years. The U.S. has fewer medical schools now than it did a century ago. The U.S. has more than 3 times the number of lawyers as physicians. The U.S., and Utah, have one fourth of the physicians trained overseas, and half of those from India and Pakistan (because the speak English from the centuries England controlled their countries). But what does that do to the people in India, with their physicians in the U.S.? When did you see a health insurance policy deliver a baby, set a broken arm, give a flu shot? If the poor lack health care, give them physicians, not paper roses.

  • B-Real2 Saratoga Springs, UT
    Jan. 18, 2018 7:27 a.m.

    The tax base is growing. Utah tax revenues are up as wel from growth in businesses. We don’t need even more taxes to ratchet this up another notch. We need better management of the increase in funds that’s already come in.

    There’s likely waste that needs to be exposed to allow for both sides to meet their goals.

    As a resident, I really only see money being spent on construction and new schools. Honestly I need to do my part as a tax payer and look at the budget in detail. We either way overpay for construction projects or there must be another glaring issue that’s taking all the new money.

  • Orem Parent Orem, UT
    Jan. 17, 2018 10:01 p.m.

    This is the year that we finally do what is right for our kids. Sad to see that the legislature hasn't done it so we the people have to.

    I'll be voting yes on the initiative when it come up. Unless of course the legislature would like to do what we the people have been asking them to do for decades and properly fund education! This is probably your last chance to make it be your deal and get some credit for changing things in Utah. We know you like to get credit when you can so take it!

  • Schwa South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 17, 2018 7:55 p.m.

    7 years later, now that there is a Republican President, they no longer have as much opposition to "big government" and Medicaid expansion. This is nothing bout politicis and party-over-country cronyism. Utah's legislators have done a disservice to the people for years.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Jan. 17, 2018 5:13 p.m.

    @CactusPete;
    "The lawmakers in Utah are vastly smarter than you give them credit for. Their eyes are not blinded by hate for religion and therefor they benefit from being able to see the big picture"

    Hence, our great healthcare and stellar school system that's been at the bottom for decades- right?

  • Cactus Pete Centerville, UT
    Jan. 17, 2018 4:59 p.m.

    Impartial7 - DRAPER, UT

    The lawmakers in Utah are vastly smarter than you give them credit for. Their eyes are not blinded by hate for religion and therefor they benefit from being able to see the big picture.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Jan. 17, 2018 4:42 p.m.

    Good grief. These guys can't tie their own shoes. Take the Fed funds to expand Medicaid, like they should have 5 years ago, and cap the child tax credit at 2 to fund education. Problem solved. (if you take religion out of the equation.)