Trump's vulgar term disgusts, saddens Utahns with ties to Haiti, Africa

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  • illuminated Kansas City, MO
    Jan. 17, 2018 2:10 p.m.

    For the record, Trump actually said, "from Norway and Asia". People love to leave that last part off

    Compare Botswana and Zimbabwe. The two nations share the same racial demographic, language and even culture. Botswana is a free market capitalist nation while Zimbabwe is much more centrally planned. The economies couldn't be any different. Botswana has a great economy with far more educated, skilled and healthy people, Zimbabwe is awful.

    For decades upon decades the United States has been expected to take in mostly unskilled people from poor nations. Why is that?

    I would love to have more people from skilled and successful nations like Botswana, Norway, or India for a change. That's not racist, that's simply wanting to give immigrants a better chance here as well as help our own economy. There is nothing wrong with that. Anyone who says otherwise is simply playing politics.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 17, 2018 10:27 a.m.

    To deny what was said after bragging to his far right billionaire friends and then attacking the media for reporting the truth is an old trick of the U.S.S.R., not American values.

  • Uncle_Fester Niskayuna, NY
    Jan. 16, 2018 1:47 p.m.

    It doesn't seem to bother all these so called Christians that he may not have said it? There is no evidence whatsoever that he said it and he denies saying it. Accused and condemned without proof just like the suddenly credulous media has done and keeps doing to its own discredit. This is a lot of noise about nothing.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Jan. 15, 2018 9:46 a.m.

    And after the big media blitz, we learn Durbin LIED.

    You can fool some of the people all the time, all the people some of the time, and now all the people all the time.

    Knee jerk news stories from the left are a bust most the time.

  • YBH Sugarland, TX
    Jan. 15, 2018 8:55 a.m.

    @Mad Hatter - Provo, UT
    Jan. 14, 2018 6:32 a.m.

    I said in my 1st post in the thread that Mr. President should never use that kind of language, even behind closed door. And I am surprised that you mimicked that word and used it on American cities

    I am proud to live in Sugarland, it is one of most well-developed areas in TX. Unlike the places on TPS list, It does not have high crime rate, and it has great public school system, (the literacy rate of Haiti is 60% by comparison). I am sorry that State Dept put a warning message on their website, urging Americans to reconsider travelling to Haiti, due to crime and political unrest. But that is not President Trump’s fault.

    Western developed countries have sent billions of $ to help those countries for decades, and they are still the poorest countries in the world, there are reasons for their conditions and it’s not because of President Trump.

    I know this is a great place in TX, so I don’t feel offended by your mimic of that language, but if I do, I will work together with my community to make it a better place, not leave my hometown behind to live in a richer country.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    Jan. 15, 2018 5:10 a.m.

    @ What in Tucket

    "It's weird that people in the room don't remember Trump using that word when Trump himself was calling friends to brag about it afterwards. I spoke to one of those friends. The President thought it would play well with the base." — Erick Erickson

    I'm also struck by how many of his base immediately responded as if it were true. Whether they came out in support or with excuses, many just assumed it happened. And it is consistent with a man who at every turn has shown us his willingness to lead with contempt and vulgarity. As Mr. Erickson suggested, perhaps he knows what plays well with his base.

  • Laura Bilington Maple Valley, WA
    Jan. 14, 2018 7:30 p.m.

    @CMO Beaver wrote,

    "He should have said...

    We have about have half the planet run by corrupt foolish scary incompetent governments ie dictators of all make and model who destroy the lives of their citizens.."

    Yes, and one of the countries in that half of the planet is the United States.

  • What in Tucket Provo, UT
    Jan. 14, 2018 3:04 p.m.

    It is all a hoax and fake news again. Trump did not say these countries were s---holes. Sen Perdue and Sen Tom Cotton were there and said he did not say that. Sen Graham would not say what he said. He did say they were poorly run countries which is true. Sen Durbin a Democrat said he said they were as above, but he is unreliable on t hings like this. He reported one GOP sen as saying when in front of Obama that he couldn't stand him. Obama and his press secretary said it didn't happen.
    So I think rep Love should take a second look at this.

  • Jim Chee Ka'anapali, HI
    Jan. 14, 2018 12:45 p.m.

    hardware - Erda, Ut
    Jan. 13, 2018 6:35 a.m.

    "One guy, a democrat, ran to the media with this . . . "

    You don't deny the statement, only that it got in the media. Should Republicans keep all their meetings secret to insure that no bad news gets out except for what the public is allowed to know? What would you say if the Democrats did this when they are in power?

    What Donald Trump said diminishes the presidency and is news. Should only "good news" about Trump be reported in the media? Some people consider negative press about Trump as "fake news". Their concern is not about "truth", but maintain a administration propaganda effort to manipulate information.

    As for Roosevelt, Kennedy, et. al., that is old history in a time when such reports were not published in the press. Clinton, by the way, was impeached which you fail to mention. Selective partisanship is not a convincing argument with anyone but the partisan ideologue. That's why we have a free press.

    The WSJ is reporting Trump's payoffs to porn stars bribed to keep their stories out of the news right before the election. Should we censor these stories? Or is it that only criticism of the political opposition is fair game?

  • Baron Scarpia Logan, UT
    Jan. 14, 2018 8:08 a.m.

    All this did was reinforce Trump to his base... it's all about that base. No trouble! They love him for these very comments and will probably re-elect him for it.

    Sadly, Utahns are part of Trump's solid base. Hatch even said Trump could be the "greatest president ever." What does that say about us?

  • Yuge Opportunity Here Mapleton, UT
    Jan. 14, 2018 7:44 a.m.

    @iceman96
    Thank you for the info.
    Mexico regularly gets 13% of the green cards, yet their population is only 124.5 million people. The world has 7.4 BILLION people.

    You can't really say Mexico is a good neighbor. Mexican nationals top the list of incarcerated immigrants. The Mexican government regularly interferes in our courts when we seek to punish Mexicans convicted of crimes here. Much of the street drug trade here comes from Mexico. Three out of five illegal aliens are from Mexico. Five Mexican states are declared as unsafe places to travel.

    So, tell me how high immigration numbers from Mexico serves the national interest?

  • Cheshire Cat Bronx, NY
    Jan. 14, 2018 7:23 a.m.

    IMAPatriot2 - Logan, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 3:21 p.m.

    "The fake outrage over Trump’s language . . . "

    Is this like "fake news"? Is it outrage that you don't like and therefore label it "fake"? It must be since I am outraged and I don't consider myself "fake". Perhaps you might consider me a "fake person" since I certainly am not a Donald Trump fan. In fact, I see him breaking most of his promises to voters he made on health care, taxes, national security, and "making America great". Instead, he is leading a path of destruction as he travels and plays golf on the taxpayers dime embroiled in petty twitter battles of insignificance.

    Hillary Clinton told us of what would happen with Trump. We are seeing the truth in her statements. The only people who continue to support him are his hardcore supporters, less than 32% of the voting public. Fortunately, places like NY and CA are not as affected by Trump since there are mechanisms in place to stop his assault on basic rights and freedoms.

    It remains a question of why Trump supports appear to want an authoritarian controlling their lives, the strings of government, and the news media? Make no mistake. there are many who remain opposed.

  • Joe Leaphorn Phoenix, AZ
    Jan. 14, 2018 7:08 a.m.

    NoNamesAccepted - St. George, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 4:01 p.m.

    "For the media to shake a finger at Trump for using a "vulgar term" . . . "

    Duh? He's the President of the United States. His comments have consequences. And the nations he offends are nations the United States cannot afford to offend because of the geo-political situation in these places, particularly when China is moving to replace the United States' influence in these regions.

    " . . . these are not great places to live."

    But people do live there because they have to. Some leave if they are capable and move to where it is better for them and their families. Most may want to come to the United States because America is still considered the "shining city on the hill" in the world. They want the opportunity and they come as educated contributors to our society.

    In reference to comments about Third World Countries, remember that these are former European colonies exploited for their wealth. There was little if any consequential development. These former colonies were left on their own upon independence after having been stripped of much of their resources. There was no Marshall Plan to help them when they needed it most.

  • Mad Hatter Provo, UT
    Jan. 14, 2018 6:32 a.m.

    YBH - Sugarland, TX
    Jan. 13, 2018 2:10 p.m.

    The question remains: Should the President of the United States be talking this way knowing that it harms American prestige with those nations? Sure, we know that he is naturally crude and lacking in basic skills of diplomatic speech. But, really?

    It may be that some people consider Sugarland, TX, to be a "[bleep]hole". Perhaps there are others that consider Provo, UT, in the same way. What about those communities devastated by hurricanes, earthquakes, or fire? They should be approached from a position of thoughtful consideration and not dismissed with a vulgar reference. One's personal opinion, however irrelevant and inconsequential, can be easily dismissed as one of ignorance and stupidity.

    The reference is significant because of the position that Donald Trump holds. Comments, however ill-conceived, have consequences when uttered by anyone in a position of authority. There is a difference if I call Sugarland, TX, a "[bleep]hole" and if Trump calls Sugarland, TX, a "[bleep]hole".

    Do you remember when Ted Cruz made equally negative comments about New York during a primary debate? Trump was livid. And Cruz was not the president.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    Jan. 14, 2018 4:30 a.m.

    @ iceman96

    "Is the name Trump used really profane?"

    More so than "flyover country" and people take umbrage to that.

  • old cuss 101 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2018 2:01 a.m.

    I believe the key issues are:

    1. The free world, including the United States is having a hard time dealing with immigration and refugee management out of third world countries.

    2. The United States has an internal political war going on on top of its immigration management problems.

    3. President Trump has a language /communications problem. I don't like his choice of words to describe physical and cultural and political circumstances in some of these countries, but his assessment of conditions is understandable and succinct.

    The President has picked up on one key truth. If the US of A is to lead the world, it must be inherently strong in itself in order to be able to help others. We will be better help if we can first provide for us at "our" home while we seek to stabilize and support others in "their" home environment rather than relocating them as a disruption to our circumstance. Diversity is a noble concept, but societies work better if there is a related heritage, common language and value system at the base.

    We can't handle any and everybody coming here. There has to be some control. We cannot tolerate critical masses of radical factions of any stripe.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Jan. 14, 2018 12:12 a.m.

    @Mad Hatter:

    * critiquing is a great way of learning
    * controlled anger will provide motivation and determination
    * bitterness and hatred has never led to anything good. Never!

  • iceman96 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2018 10:51 p.m.

    The top ten largest immigration groups 1960-2016
    1. Mexico 26%
    2. India 5.6%
    3. China 4.9%
    4. Phillippines 4.4%
    5. El Salvador 3.3%
    6. Vietnam 3.1%
    7. Cuba 2.9%
    8. Dominican Repyblic 2.5%
    9. Korea 2.4%
    10. Guatemala 2.1%
    Source migrationpolicy dot org

    Is the name Trump used really profane? I've heard people complain about their old country using much more descriptive language. For the record, Caucasian's make up only 17% of our green cards.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Jan. 13, 2018 6:23 p.m.

    @Thid....."Now can we get on with REAL problems in America, like having 20 million illegals in our country and what to do with them (thank you Obama)?"

    Do we really need to start detailing where this statement is completely false? Are you claiming that 20 million entered the nation during the 8 years of Obama's Presidency? How do you make claims like this?

    The hypocritical thing about all this is these same people that now lay Obama to blame for everything are the very same that complained very loudly about anyone blaming Bush for anything that transpired. Evidently now - Obama is to blame for everything, including all immigration since Reagan. Impressive.

    I deep down am very conservative. But to me, conservative and christian values means you don't lie about the other person - point out where they are wrong -fine - but out and out lies... I don't get how you reconcile that. Hence why so many are abandoning the Republican Party. We all hold "conservatives" to a higher standard than progressives.... because they claim to have a higher standard. But the creative truth and facts just discredits it daily.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    Jan. 13, 2018 6:21 p.m.

    Nothing but politics. The same people condemning Trump have been telling us for years how back these countries are, as a way to justify illegal immigration, and allowing them to stay.

    Democrats want to slow enforcement of immigration laws, and prevent new ones from being passed.

    If it's racist, then the media has been doing it for years.

  • Iron Rod Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2018 5:02 p.m.

    My concern is Trumps denial that he said it.

    It seems to me that is a continual saga of him saying something like his conversation with the FBI director and then denying he said it

    Is it really a gigantic conspiracy by the medial telling lies about him or does he have a problem telling the truth about events that occurred?

    How can we remedy this situation?

    I personally would like to know what the truth is!!

  • illuminated Kansas City, MO
    Jan. 13, 2018 4:29 p.m.

    'm truly surprised at all of the commenters calling themselves Mormons who would judge this President and downplay the suffering of our brothers and sisters in these third world countries. These are children of God just like you! Doesn't their pain living in some of these awful places bother you? At all?

    Truly it makes me ashamed that so many would call themselves Mormons and bear false witness about their own President's words, and then presume that our brothers and sisters are not suffering. Shame.

    This President is working in the Spirit of God by what he is doing to make America great again. The Book of Mormon is clear on America being a "land set above all others" and we should do everything to protect her. I implore you to follow President Monson's last words and follow the Book of Mormon instead of CNN.

  • Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2018 3:26 p.m.

    @sanefan: " While I wish we had a more courteous and kinder spoken President, we have to acknowledge the fact that we now live in a vulgar culture. I mean it was repeated about 300 times last night on the national news shows. Please! The difference in todays world is EVERYTHING gets repeated and broadcast. Think about Harry Truman who was said to have a "colorful' vocabulary,"

    Enough with the moral equivocation, that's the job of politicians, not the citizenry!

    And do NOT mention Trump in the same sentence as Harry Truman. He would climb out of his grave and smack you upside the head if he heard that.

  • KarlGatling Sandy, UT
    Jan. 13, 2018 3:24 p.m.

    Everyone knows that there are many countries that are plagued with corrupt governments, dysfunctional society, extreme poverty, violence, disease, and populations that are predominantly low- skilled and poorly educated. Haiti is one of these countries, so are Somalia and many other countries in Africa. Whether you call them "==holes" or "failed states," Trump's point was correct. It's not in the best interests of the United States to keep importing people from these Third World countries. This was Trump's meaning, and it was valid, even if unartfully articulated.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Jan. 13, 2018 3:09 p.m.

    @ hardware

    "I will vote for him again in a heartbeat."

    Women, suburbanites, millennials, and people of color won't.

  • YBH Sugarland, TX
    Jan. 13, 2018 2:10 p.m.

    @Mad Hatter - Provo, UT

    You are free to see everything in the lense of race, and call Mr. President all kinds of name, because this is a free country. But other people also can have opinions on this issue in color blind way.

    DJT is a businessman, may like to see things in business way. He also said in that meeting that USA should be more open to Asian immigrants, because he felt they would help US economically, does that look like White supremacy or racism to you too?

    The countries he referred, by using wrong language BTW, are those under Temporary Protected Status (TPS), which only includes African countries like Sudan and Somalia, not the whole continent. And these places are far lesser countries than USA, or Norway, millions of American would agree too. Trump was just not polite enough or reserved enough to keep it to himself.

    And if people came from those countries are offended, maybe they can go back to help make those countries better places. China, India have made huge progress, lifted hundreds of million people out of poverty. Those countries Trump referred to can make that happen too. Americans will see them differently if situation improves.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 13, 2018 1:34 p.m.

    I've heard that the safest street in America is the street is where the Mafia lives. Could it be that the horrible poverty of our southern neighbors is the product of the American businessmen with the help of our military strength and our successful wars against them.

  • JkeithC Richland, WA
    Jan. 13, 2018 1:00 p.m.

    Probably only a few critical thinking people would disagree with the sentiment that as a generality fewer people from Haiti provide benefit to the United States Than those individuals coming from more educated countries.
    The education level suggests To me that many people coming from Haiti are hoping for a financial benefit which for too many means getting on the welfare train.
    The disheartening thing to me however about president Trump's comment is that he has to use crass and rude language. I belong to a BMW motorcycle group. I would discourage that type of commentary in that group. Why do I have to hear it from my president.

  • Mad Hatter Provo, UT
    Jan. 13, 2018 12:45 p.m.

    GenErik - Ventura, CA
    Jan. 12, 2018 4:18 p.m.

    "President Trump speaks the truth."

    I realize minds may not change responding to such a statement, but Donald Trump is a racist, a liar, a misogynist, a sexual predator, an adulterer, an unethical businessman, and an insult to the American people.

    He has now offended an entire continent and half of the Western hemisphere in his remarks. I'm sure he would apply the same comments to various states and/or cities that have significant numbers of people of color and problems associated with poverty.

    Now we have a president who isn't welcome in the country with which we have enjoyed a special, supporting relationship for over 150 years. As for the rest of Europe, maybe he will be greeted by the wealthy global elite of Davos where hide from his offensive behavior. One can only guess what he really thinks about the rest of us.

    The Russians really pulled a fast one on the American people. Not only did they successfully recruit their "useful idiot", but they have spread dissension here and reduced American influence around the world. Whatever secret Trump is protecting, the Russians will continue to support him financially for his efforts.

  • Sol Scottsboro, AL
    Jan. 13, 2018 12:39 p.m.

    How many Utahans here were as disgusted with their Bill Clinton ? Not that many it would seem from reading the comments. It's all good as long as the President keeps pushing YOUR agendas. Right? All Obama did was dictate via Executive Order and how many here complained about that? As long as Obama was pushing YOUR agenda it was AOK with you. Right?

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2018 12:10 p.m.

    I have been puzzled by the muted response by LDS toward Trump. Reading some of these comments I realize finally that LDS regard liberalism (modern term) as a greater threat than fascism. Wow!

  • E. Guerry Pleasant Grove, UT
    Jan. 13, 2018 12:09 p.m.

    I and several colleagues went to Haiti in support of Haitian Roots and Grace House, getting to experience Haitian leaders helping children affected by trauma experienced by so many in that poor country. They are good and decent people, trying to overcome generations of very difficult circumstances along with the devastation from recent natural disasters. Because of our experience there, President Trump's comment is all the more offensive and unacceptable. He deserves to be called out for comments like this. That said, I am also offended by those who want to make hay over a man's stupid comments while they hypocritically ignore anything of good that man does in terms of public policy while attacking him and his family members very personally.
    Disgusting distractions like these comments are his mistakes, not who he is as a person. But truth is we live in a shame-based world where we are increasingly doing this - making each other feel we are our mistakes, or we are our weaknesses. Can't we just re-focus on helping each other rise above our mistakes and weaknesses instead?

  • well informed Salt Lake, UT
    Jan. 13, 2018 11:37 a.m.

    @ illuminated

    I wonder how the members of the church in Peru and the people you taught would feel if they read your comments.

  • strate taukr Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 13, 2018 11:09 a.m.

    Do people need to be politically correct to be a good person?
    Are we politically correct in our own thoughts?
    What do plumbers say?

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Jan. 13, 2018 10:55 a.m.

    Many folks are led around on a leash by the liberal media. Hypocrites!

    * No proof Trump said these descriptive words.
    * Americans live with cussing on a daily basis. Nothing new.
    * Many folks at a lower level of hatred and bitterness than they claim of Trump. Pathetic!

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    Jan. 13, 2018 10:41 a.m.

    It appears that once again, a falsehood has been perpetrated by a Democrat and the press over reacts. The real story headline should be, “Senator Durbin once again caught in a lie.”

  • Facts are friendly Sandy, UT
    Jan. 13, 2018 10:36 a.m.

    Those countries are disasters!!! So he used a profane word instead of "disaster". Why do people freak out at this stuff.

    Our President is from Brooklyn. Have you ever been to Brooklyn?

  • SIMPLICITY Denver, CO
    Jan. 13, 2018 10:22 a.m.

    Can someone get me a tissue... someone offended my tender heart.

    We need to close the borders, eliminate central banks, eliminate national debt, respect our traditions, honor our military, downsize our federal government by 90%, focus on the education and quality of life of our citizens not illegals.

    I have traveled to these parts of the world. These countries are extremely undesirable, poor, crime ridden, lack respect of private property, opportunistic. The Presidents description is accurate.

  • Herbal Tea Partier Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2018 10:01 a.m.

    President Trump's alleged choice of language in a closed meeting is nothing compared to language spoken on open mic by Joe Biden. It's been reported that several presidents used foul language (Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, etc.), but it didn't stop them from being considered to be great presidents. Also, the MSM wasn't out to get them 24/7, like they are with Trump and past Republican presidents. Trump may or may not have said that foul word, but CNN sure is having fun "quoting" that word, and not bleeping it.

  • casual observer Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2018 9:37 a.m.

    "Trump's vulgar term disgusts, saddens Utahns with ties to Haiti, Africa"

    It saddens all Utahns regardless of their ties to Haiti or Africa.

  • YBH Sugarland, TX
    Jan. 13, 2018 9:20 a.m.

    @ Dr H - LAYTON, UT

    First, that the language President Trump used was inexcusable. But I still want to remind you that he put that term in front of countries, not people. And there are millions of Americans who believe USA is a far far much better country than those like Haiti or Sudan, or Somalia, and Trump is just one of them.

    In fact, there is a reason why President Trump was frustrated. And it has nothing to do with Christianity. It is because that "DACA deal" would continue to keep the Temporary Protected Status (TPS) for people of Haiti, El Salvador, and Sudan, Somalia, etc. Those politicians are making this "temporary" protection into a de facto permanent residency.

    For example, the so-called "temporary" protection for El Salvadorans has already last for 17 years. how long should it last further more? Thank God for President Trump, If he didn't stop this program, no one would have the gut to do so.

    How about go back to your countries and start to work, and make that country a better place? If that country becomes a better one, people would have more favorable opinions.

  • illuminated Kansas City, MO
    Jan. 13, 2018 9:07 a.m.

    Trump is right.

    I spent 2 years in Peru as a missionary and couldn't believe how awful it was. I remember the first time driving through Lima after getting off the plane. The city reminded me of post Berlin bombing photos. Entire city streets had been rendered impassable from garbage pilled 20 feet high. Roaming packs of dogs, half rabid, dead and rotting animal carcasses everywhere, people scrounging barefoot in garbage, feces-infested rivers barefoot. The perpetual stench was overwhelming. I'm not being hyperbolic, it was that bad.

    When I landed back in the US after 2 years I literally cried. Most Americans have no clue how good we have it.
    America is an oasis in a planet of filth.

    Liberal and corrupt governments did this. We should not be immigrating people to the US who think these countries are fine.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Jan. 13, 2018 8:59 a.m.

    Despite the term used, Trump is correct in the statement about the conditions of those countries. They have very little to offer the U.S. in terms of legal immigrants; why do they have preferred status?

  • The Balloonatic Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2018 8:58 a.m.

    My cousin married a Pole several years ago. But he was not allowed to immigrate to the United States, even though she is an American citizen and he has top skills. So they lived in the U.K., while doing all they could to come to America, legally. Last month, they we're finally able to come to America. Her family is so happy. This newspaper featured a story about how refugees are struggling here with the culture, etc. We all want to help them, yes even President Trump gave an emotional speech about how we need to help them, early in his campaign. But perhaps the best way to help many of them is to help them resettle in safe areas near their original countries so that they won't have to add culture shock while resettling in expensive foreign lands to their lists of other horrific traumas they've had already had to experience.

  • Dr H LAYTON, UT
    Jan. 13, 2018 8:56 a.m.

    The word is not the issue. The issue is that he is showing disdain for people trying to escape such places, saying we don't want immigrants from troubled countries, we only want immigrants from wealthy, stable countries. Which is the opposite of what this nation has always stood for. The founders said America is the place where people seeking freedom can escape the trap they are in. The Statue of Liberty says America welcomes those considered "refuse" or garbage by people like Trump. But his defenders say we can't afford to let these people in anymore, refusing to believe the clear data showing immigrants boost our ecomony. It's interesting that in the past, Trump defenders said we had to ban immigrants from Syria, etc because they would bring radical Islam with them. But now we see that was an excuse. Haiti, El Salvador and most African nations are predominantly Christian. But I guess Trumpism's version of Christianity was never really Christianity at all. It's just thinly disguised xenophobia.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Jan. 13, 2018 8:54 a.m.

    Ok, so President Trump said an inappropriate word! Now can we get on with REAL problems in America, like having 20 million illegals in our country and what to do with them (thank you Obama)? Or how about N. Korea's nukes aimed at us (thank you Bill Clinton)? Then there is the issue of double digit healthcare insurance premium increases and impossible deductibles most Americans are facing (thanks a lot Obama)! So many messes for President Trump to clean up! Things in America are rapidly improving and all the other side can say is how horrible Trump's innuendo was! Grow up, Democrats!

  • JimInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2018 8:50 a.m.

    It appears that my first comment did not pass moderator inspection. I guess that I should have used --- as was used in the article, instead of ___, in obscuring the expletive prefix. I'll try again.

    If Haiti is a hole, US Corporations, US Taxpayer money, and The Clinton Foundation are largely responsible. Farmers were pushed off their property, the most fertile agriculture land in Haiti, and the land was paved over and replaced with a giant sweatshop that pays an avg. daily wage of $5, about half the daily cost of living in Haiti. It only employs 1/4 the promised 20,000 jobs.

    Where Haiti was once able to grow its own food, it now must import about 60% of it's food from Dominican Republic.

    Bill and Hillary are two of the most loathed people in Haiti. Is that any kind of thanks for all the "help" they gave raising all that charity money after the earthquake? It depends how that money is spent.

  • Heidi71 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2018 8:46 a.m.

    This national news story is based on heresay. Trump says that he did not say it, while a Democrat senator says he did say it. The main stream news media and the Democrats will rabidly jump on any heresay and if it's bad, they will play it 24/7 to try to destroy the president. Everything else they have tried has failed and has been proven false (some have gotten suspended over it), but they are still beating those "dead horses." They rarely cover the positive and amazing achievements of this presidency. And they covered up the failures and the illegal activities of the previous administration, but that is slowly coming to light now.

  • What in Tucket Provo, UT
    Jan. 13, 2018 8:34 a.m.

    Senator David Perdue also at the meeting said he did not hear the comments like Durbin a Democrat. The governments of these countries are as Mr. Trump commented I think most of us would agree to that. The people in my experience are fine. Mr. Trump is a rough and ready Manhattan realtor not a politician. That is why his supporters give him some slack. Naturally I am sure no Democrat ever used such language.

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    Jan. 13, 2018 8:32 a.m.

    I dislike the crudity of Trump’s alleged choice of words. But Joe Biden and many before him have normalized this kind of coarse language.

    As for Mia Love, perhaps she can explain why her parents left if Haiti is such a wonderful place. I think it had something to do with having s better life they could not have in their native country.

  • L White Springville, UT
    Jan. 13, 2018 8:21 a.m.

    Mr. Trump said nothing about derogatory Haiti. More than eight hours before this story ran, CNN's chief Washington correspondent, Jake Tapper, tweeted that the Haitian story was false and that people who heard Trump speak mixed two different stories together.

    Now Mia Love has offended a large part of her base because she jumped to conclusions without checking the facts. She could have fact checked the article. She could have asked someone on her staff to fact check it. If I could easily find Mr. Tapper's tweets denying everything written about Trumps's remarks about Haiti that was published in major media all over America report, then any newspaper could have easily found Mr. Tapper's tweets.

    Mr. Tapper is no friend of Trump. It must have irked him to have to report that once again, that Trump was correct in his denial that he had said anything derogatory about Haiti and that the media was caught publishing another whopper.

    What's disheartening is that because the media has not retracted their statements about Haiti, the public has even more reason to doubt anything that they read or hear.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Jan. 13, 2018 8:11 a.m.

    ANY President, in an Oval Office meeting on immigration: "Why are we taking in so many people from Haiti? That country is a mess."

    President Trump, same meeting: "Why are we taking in so many people from Haiti? That country is a ---- hole."

    There's absolutely ZERO difference.

    Quit freaking out.

    And for those who have called this vulgar(thank you media) visit a construction site or a military barracks numerous places. Then come back and explain vulgar.LOL

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Jan. 13, 2018 8:10 a.m.

    "Trump's vulgar term disgusts, saddens Utahns with ties to Haiti, Africa"

    Isn't that just a sad headline. "Utahns with ties to Haiti and Africa". Wouldn't it be nice if people without ties to those two places thought it was below presidential? But that's right.... being anti "politically correct" (nice), not the thing to be these days.

    Pathetic.

  • Mack2828 Ft Thomas, KY
    Jan. 13, 2018 8:07 a.m.

    Fake outrage. Fake drama. It's getting silly.
    The President swore. He said something rude. Gasp! Oh, the drama of it all!
    Did we Republicans act this pathetic when Obama was in office?

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Jan. 13, 2018 7:58 a.m.

    For you dwindling Trump supporters, let's stop pretending that Trump was talking about their 'infrastructure' and living conditions. I've heard you talking about how you're afraid these people are coming to mooch off America and take your jobs.

    Haitians, Ghanans and others I've known from these countries are some of the hardest working people I know. I met 4 Cubans once who were the only ones to survive their shark-infested journey across the water, which started with 25 people. Yeah, their infrastructure was bad too but I don't know many other Americans who fought harder to be free.

    Fact is, 'infrastructure' has nothing to do with how hard someone works to succeed in America. It's just racist nonsense.

  • G-Day-M8 Where is Waldo, UT
    Jan. 13, 2018 7:25 a.m.

    Interesting that Dick Durbin has been caught again lying to the press for the sole purpose of extending the hate trump and dispose of him at all cost agenda.

    Democrat Senator and Media Darling, Dick Durbin, wanted to enhance the 36 hour Tea Party Racist narrative by claiming loudly a “GOP Leader” told President Obama: “I Cannot Even Stand To Look At You”. However, President Obama, and others in the room (via Jay Carney) say,“that never happened”.

    Jay Carney in a press conference: I will say this, I spoke with somebody who was in that meeting and it did not happen.

    Not one other person in the room Thursday can or will substantiate Durbin's claim; not even Lindsey Graham.

    President Trump said it did not happen, and two other senators said they did not hear the phantom curse statement. All I can surmise, is that Durbin is lying. Again.

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    Jan. 13, 2018 6:50 a.m.

    He said it he owns it. It is true, the earth quake an then a disaster of the Clinton's foundation solidified it.

  • AC_68 Provo, UT
    Jan. 13, 2018 6:41 a.m.

    The President says he didn't say it? I believe him.

  • hardware Erda, Ut
    Jan. 13, 2018 6:35 a.m.

    One guy, a democrat, ran to the media with this, again to stir up trouble. I remember when we didn't have a disgusting, lying group of reporters that reported real news. This has long been the methods used to oust a Republican. Think about it, Kennedys's affairs, Ted Kennedy and Chappiquidick, Roosevelt and his mistress, Clinton (lucky Monica kept her dress). Nixon was forced to resign while Obama and the DNC did far worse to Trump and continue to use the media to detour his agenda. The democrat presidents said much of the same thing, but for some reason, always got a pass. We have to stop taking the bait dangled in front of us like hungry fish. Let this man, who obviously knows what he's doing, fulfill his promises. America voted for him and in one year he's turned our economy around, brought jobs back to the United States, fought Isis and worked with leaders in ways unimaginable by Obama. I will vote for him again in a heartbeat.

  • CMO Beaver Beaver, UT
    Jan. 13, 2018 5:11 a.m.

    Nuance isn’t the president’s game

    He should have said...

    We have about have half the planet run by corrupt foolish scary incompetent governments ie dictators of all make and model who destroy the lives of their citizens... so naturally they want to come here and libs think we can bring them all here and it will be nirvana... well that’s not going to happen...

  • Jim Chee Ka'anapali, HI
    Jan. 13, 2018 2:43 a.m.

    worf - McAllen, TX
    Jan. 12, 2018 8:19 p.m.

    "The only reason folks find this vulgar is because the media says it is."

    Not only vulgar, but racist, vile, crude, insensitive, condescending, hateful, and stupid.

    Those who only watch 'Fox & Friends' from the Trump Ministry of Propaganda may think that "everyone" talks this way, but my mother taught me how to respect people and not be vulgar. But this is all in line with Donald Trump's white nationalist agenda.

    He and his true-believing supporters appear to have a fear of the browning of America and would rather have more Aryans immigrate than people from non-white majority nations even if these folk are better educated and are more patriotic than Trump's base. All one has to do is look at our armed forces to see that diversity is the primary feature of those willing to risk their lives for our national defense.

    Rather than regurgitate wingnut propaganda about the national media, pick up several national newspapers and read them. Perhaps tomorrow we will have moved on to Fox defending Trump in his payments right before the election to two women with whom he is alleged to have had affairs during his third marriage. Access Hollywood?

  • Holycow Provo, UT
    Jan. 13, 2018 12:53 a.m.

    Haiti is Hillary's bad. If the haitians and africans lived in paradise, they wouldn't be here. Duh.

  • Nebsy Ephraim, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 11:35 p.m.

    Trump represents ME! Ask any refugee... they are 'exactly what Trump said' countries. That's why refugees left those places. Thanks for speaking truth Mr. President

  • H. Bob Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 10:57 p.m.

    It’s just a little sad and ironic that the President of the United States, whose campaign slogan was “Make America Great Again,” just said something that dumps on the ideal of the American Dream, and everyone’s arguing about whether or not what he said was vulgar. It used to be that someone with gumption and a work ethic could come here from a hole (from outside or inside the US) and succeed, but now the President says he only wants “good” people from “good” countries. The American Dream is on its last legs, and Trump supporters are giving it a good kick to help kill it off.

  • JBs Logan, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 10:56 p.m.

    Trump's comments should disgust and sadden ALL Utahns, not just those with ties to the countries Trump insulted.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 10:27 p.m.

    Is it really a vulgar term? I think it depends on what side of the political fence you sit on.

    If they are not bad places to live right now, why are we giving refugee status to their citizens?

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 10:18 p.m.

    It should also disgust people with ties to civility, intelligence, decency, religion and humanity.
    But some people see clear to look past those and support him.
    The only reason folks find this vulgar is because the media says it is, we're told. No, the vulgarity stands on it's own merit. The DN wouldn't let those words pass here. We don't accept them in normal conversation.
    Hopefully, this won't last long.

  • Yuge Opportunity Here Mapleton, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 9:43 p.m.

    Oh Donald, you've done it again!

    On the day you announced your candidacy, you made it not only possible, but necessary, to have an opinion on illegal aliens. For years we've allowed our politicians to speak in code about the border, deportation and immigration.

    On that day, you changed the dynamic. You stood alone in calling for enforcement.

    Here we are a couple of years later making people talk about chain migration and why we keep giving green cards to people who really don't contribute to our economy.

    All those people who are denouncing Trump are really saying we should open our doors to anyone living in a stink hole. But those stink holes are really great countries...but we shouldn't deport people back to them because that would be cruel.

    (Now I'm getting confused. Suddenly Trump is sounding pretty good.)

    The Donald has forced the discussion. All you have to do is filter out the noise.

  • 1Reader Alpine, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 8:43 p.m.

    I think we need to lighten up. We know Trump by now; he says lots of stuff. He's negotiating, and trying to help the country I suppose. Unfortunately, this is far from the worst thing that presidents have said.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Jan. 12, 2018 8:19 p.m.

    The only reason folks find this vulgar is because the media says it is.

  • The Meliorist Grande Cache, 00
    Jan. 12, 2018 7:44 p.m.

    And now Trump is trying to deny he ever said it.

    Can people please just write to their representatives and senators and ask them to tell Trump to step aside. He may have been better than Hillary, but he no longer represents the American people.

    Language like that just demonstrates Trump's anger. Looks like when the going gets bumpy, Trumpy gets grumpy.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 7:20 p.m.

    Trump expresses himself in very obnoxious ways, but his policy goals are actually pretty good for our country, and he has bee remarkably successful getting many of them implemented.

    Those trying to paint Trump as a racist are ignoring that fact that Trump's companies are extremely diverse with minorities in many top positions. But, never let facts get in the way of the leftist and media hate fest over everything related to Trump.

    Every time Trump utters some outrageous comment he also diverts attention away from whatever the latest made up media stories are saying, so it is a double win for him, and drives the left nuts. Make that a triple win!

    How would our nation benefit from more immigrants from failed and backward nations with poor education and massive corruption? Bolstering Democrat registration rolls is not a good enough reason.

  • Onion Daze Payson, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 7:14 p.m.

    utahute69

    I agree with almost everything you wrote until you got to the last phrase. Here it is.

    "... just so one party can increase its voting base."

    Miami Cubans are among the most loyal Republican voters.

    Your are far more diplomatic than President Trump is with the following statement.

    "Both countries had difficult times finding a good starting point, but the Dominican Republic had to fight for its freedom from a Haiti that had imposed harsh regulations on those that were not of African descent."

    The Haitian occupation of the Dominican Republic is a terrible event in history and was much more than "harsh regulations on those that were not of African Descent."

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 5:05 p.m.

    Mack is correct. While I wish we had a more courteous and kinder spoken President, we have to acknowledge the fact that we now live in a vulgar culture. I mean it was repeated about 300 times last night on the national news shows. Please! The difference in todays world is EVERYTHING gets repeated and broadcast. Think about Harry Truman who was said to have a "colorful' vocabulary, he lived in a time when one didn't need a filter because society and the media provided it. Those days are gone and we wonder why.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Jan. 12, 2018 4:59 p.m.

    It's interesting, isn't it, that Trump is happy to accept someone from Norway, a nation long castigated by Republicans as being socialistic.

    But our small-government Republican President wants to DENY entry from those nation's in Africa, who have small government with very little government intervention at all. Why? Because they are "s---hole countries."

    Hey Republicans . . . Listen up.

    Your hero and leader has tacitly admitted that expansive and socialistic government is superior to small government.

    . . . A paradigm shift happened, and you didn't even notice it.

    Face the facts, it's time for good governance, and Republican leadership does not offer good governance.

    That's why our Russian enemies help Republicans win elections here. Republican leadership keeps America weak.

  • Mack2828 Ft Thomas, KY
    Jan. 12, 2018 4:49 p.m.

    @eastcoastcoug Politicians in both parties have been caught saying crude things since the beginning of the Republic. It get's mentioned and then quickly is forgotten. But this level of obsession is off the charts. If every single thing Trump does is an "outrage" pretty soon everyone just tunes it out and nothing is an outrage.

  • casual observer Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 4:47 p.m.

    "Unfortunately, Trump's track record in the area of race makes this comment extremely likely. There are too many incidents in Trump's past that fit this threshold."

    Ask Dr. Ben Carson if that is true.

  • utahute69 Laguna Niguel, CA
    Jan. 12, 2018 4:46 p.m.

    How many Utah residents from Haiti would return with their family to that island country. It is the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere. Haiti shares that small island with the Dominican Republic which has an economy and national wealth that shames Haiti. Both countries had difficult times finding a good starting point, but the Dominican Republic had to fight for its freedom from a Haiti that had imposed harsh regulations on those that were not of African descent. So, call the Dominican Republic an upstart nation when compared to Haiti. So yes, Haiti is far from a wonderful place thanks to government corruption. And, its citizens are the single largest group attempting to enter the Dominican Republic illegally. That is the story of Haiti. A poor nation that will remain poor in spite of the millions given to it by the US. Once again, Trump used poor judgement in selecting his words, however his point is accurate. Everyone wants a better life which means that most of the underdeveloped world would prefer to live in the US. We can't afford to give the third world population a better life through US immigration, just so one party can increase its voting base.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Jan. 12, 2018 4:36 p.m.

    Trump denies he made the "hole" comment.

    And the Republican politicians who were there have rapidly fading memories about what actually happened. Paul Ryan says it was "unfortunate," but who knows if he will have any memory of those unfortunate words tomorrow?

    BTW . . . 85% of Republicans say Trump is doing a good job, "hole" comments notwithstanding.

    And he is doing a good job . . . From the perspective of Vladimir Putin and our nation's enemies. America's status continues to plummet under Trump's Republican leadership.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Jan. 12, 2018 4:28 p.m.

    @Mack2828,

    So you're saying this kind of hateful language is OK? It's worse that someone made a 'big deal' out of it?

    How in the world do you expect people to give your values any credibility with such a statement?

  • a bit of reality Shawnee Mission, KS
    Jan. 12, 2018 4:21 p.m.

    Personally, I don't really care that he said a swear word. But it is superlatively racist for him to suggest immigration policy should be based on accepting white people from white countries and keeping out black people from black countries. Immigration policy should be based upon the characteristics of the individual immigrants--not the demographics of the country they would be immigrating from.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 4:21 p.m.

    The media has been condemning conditions in Haiti for decades, and used it as justification for illegal immigration or to promote refugee status.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 4:20 p.m.

    Unfortunately, Trump's track record in the area of race makes this comment extremely likely. There are too many incidents in Trump's past that fit this threshold.

    Blaming the media is the only knee-jerk reaction available. Oh, I suppose Trump could march out Don King and Mike Tyson to profess Trump isn't a racist. Hard not to imagine he's not thinking of doing that.

  • GenErik Ventura, CA
    Jan. 12, 2018 4:18 p.m.

    President Trump speaks the truth. The problem is no one can handle the truth any longer.

    If a criminal gets released from prison do you want him living next door? Why bring people into our country that are not going to improve our communities. The government or rather taxpayers already support more people than we can handle.

    Get all the homeless off the streets before we start bringing in more homeless people. We are 21 trillion in debt. We have a crappy government as bad as many of the countries Trump pointed out.

    Trump spoke about the governments and criminal elements and not as individuals. If you look up the word easily offended you will see a picture of a liberal.
    We need more truth tellers like Trump.

    What Trump is suggesting we do is what the countries like Australia, New Zeland and Canada do with their immigration policies now to keep less desirables out, but I do not hear anyone drying about them!

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Jan. 12, 2018 4:09 p.m.

    Shame, shame, shame on Trump for his vulgar, racist rant. No one who calls themselves a Conservative or Patriot should condone such offensive behavior. The very idea that we should excuse it because it is someone on 'our side' of the political fence is unconscionable.

    I would have had my mouth washed out as a kid for such language. I would never tolerate that from my kids. To pretend otherwise for political reasons would be to destroy my credibility and values. This is the current legacy of the GOP to our children.

  • Mack2828 Ft Thomas, KY
    Jan. 12, 2018 4:01 p.m.

    What saddens and disgusts me is the media's absolute, full blown obsession with taking every single thing Trump says and trying to blow it up into a huge scandal. Its divisive, it stirs up contention, it's not helping our Country and it needs to stop.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 4:01 p.m.

    For the media to shake a finger at Trump for using a "vulgar term" that pales to the language and content routinely used in movies, tv shows, popular music, etc, is beyond hypocritical.

    Harry Truman routinely referred to "manure" using the "s word".

    And the very fact we have so many in this nation rendering humanitarian and charitable aid in Hataii is strong evidence that nation has some serious problems. So too does much of Africa, along with our own Puerto Rico.

    There may be more or less delicate ways to describe the day to day living conditions in the "3rd world". But when we consider on massive, wide scale public health problems--hookworm and other parasites, cholera, malaria, AIDS, etc--,violent crime including routine rapes and sexual assaults, lack of safe drinking water, poverty, amd other problems, these are not great places to live.

    Object to Trump's choice of words if you must. But anyone who claims he disagrees with the general assessment of the 3rd world should go live there under native conditions for a couple of years to put their money where their mouth is.

    Bottom line, no reason to exclude 1st world immigrants in favor of 3rd world residents.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 3:59 p.m.

    "Americans shouldn't give the president a pass but demand he apologize, Moyes said."

    Trump NEVER apologizes. Denies, deflects, and lies, yes. Apologize-no. Plus, there's always another distraction, right around the corner to change focus- Just wait until the payoff bombshell hits the D-News. Buckle up- we'll have forgotten about his Haiti/Africa issue in a week.
    But, I'm betting a good amount of Utahn's that voted for him, will keep supporting him. No matter how "dismayed and saddened" they may be.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Jan. 12, 2018 3:56 p.m.

    @Imapatriot2, I can assure you that my sense of outrage is not "fake." It is quite real.

  • RabbitAvenue Saratoga Springs, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 3:25 p.m.

    I never realized until President Trump how much of a role shame plays in regulating the behavior of our public leaders. Unfortunately, the question has now become, how do we regulate a leader that has no shame?

  • IMAPatriot2 Logan, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 3:21 p.m.

    The fake outrage over Trump’s language is humorous.. As long as he continues to keep his promises he will have my support and vote. I’m glad he has the ability to "by pass" the biased media. I suspect that is what is driving them crazy. They no longer have exclusive control of the narrative. GO TRUMP!!!!1

  • Anti-Trump Everett, WA
    Jan. 12, 2018 3:05 p.m.

    Trump's vulgar term disgusts, saddens Utahns with ties to Haiti, Africa

    ====

    as opposed tp what it SHOULD be:

    Trump's vulgar term disgusts, saddens Utahns - PERIOD!