No one knows what the President really believes. He has not established policy
through the normal processes for Congress to have an Agenda or road map to
discuss on an open and civil basis.He hasn't shown consistency
through his Tweet statements to help people understand what our Chief Executive
is and wants he wants to accomplish today or tomorrow. He strikes
out at those that appear to go against his desires and current statements.He doesn't hold a news conference and it will be interesting to see
his actions and hear his words during the State of the Union. Congress invites
him for that opportunity to express the goals of the country and what has taken
place in the past year.He will be on notice from the American people
and foreign nations as they decipher what he is really saying. This past week
he has piqued the United Nations Human Rights Commission's interest due to
his remarks about certain countries that are members of the world community and
the United Nations.Allies will be listening between the lines to
hear what his intent is or what he really means.If he speaks with
dignity and respect for all citizens of the United States of America, that is
Hey Prelax -Re: "This country was started by Europeans
(Caucasian) yet they are being socially engineered from a majority to a
minority. "Wrong.Did you know that more Americans
have German ancestry than anything else? That’s because Europeans used to
flock to this nation.Now, that's no longer true. Germans
don't want to move to America anymore. Neither do Finns. Neither do Brits,
Norwegians, Swedes, Hungarians, Swiss, Dutch, Belgians, Danes or the French.Why? . . . Because compared to these “socialistic” states,
America under GOP leadership is quickly becoming one of those "s---hole
countries" Trump talks about. Why would a citizen in a progressive
prosperous country enjoying good governance want to immigrate here to
America?Finns have the best education system in the world. Its
poorest people enjoy better health care than America's middle class.
Germany has strong employment and capable workers because of their
government-sponsored apprenticeship programs.And America? America
has Republicans attempting to weaken our government even further.Not-so-great America can only attract people from countries with even weaker
and more ineffective governments.
Percent of Green cards given 1999-2008 (we give over one million green cards
each year) Non-Hispanic Caucasians were given 16.0% of the green cards.This group comprise 11.3 percent of the world populationAfrica were
given 7.3% of the green cards.This group comprise 14.9 percent of the
world populationAsia were given 33.8% of the green cardsThis group
comprise 59.7 percent of the world populationHispanic were given 36.0% of
the green cardsThis group comprise 6.2 percent of the world populationThis country was started by Europeans (Caucasian) yet they are being
socially engineered from a majority to a minority. I think this discussion is
the tip of the iceberg. Notice the low number of cards going to Africa also. Why
are some nations being favored over others?
@JWB - Kaysville, UT"I cannot believe the President would consider
these people less than human."I doubt that is what the president
considers, more likely, he simply considers those countries far less than USA,
like millions of Americans do. DJT was just not polite enough or reserved enough
to keep it to himself.
Father of four,I am hoping a conservative will mount an Independent
challenge to the GOP. I would support an Independent conservative running
against Trump and the GOP.I will not support a Democrat campaign for
president, or at least very unlikely.
Having lived overseas in various locations, our nation is known for safe places
to live with law and order, security and libert and freedoms not seen in other
countries.The lady that wrote the Colossus, for the Statue of
Liberty, Emma Lazarus,of Portuguese Sephardic Jewish descent, worked as a
charitable volunteer with immigrants on Ward Island at the Castle Garden
immigration center. During this time, she was deeply moved by the plight of
immigrants, especially those detained.The Statue of Liberty is a
world renowned symbol of freedom and opportunity. Immigrants on ships until the
1960s when airlines became the transportation system, were thrilled to see that
symbol.According to the National Park Service, “Lazarus'
famous sonnet depicts the Statue as the "Mother of Exiles:" a symbol of
immigration and opportunity - symbols associated with the Statue of Liberty
Hey Vanceone - Where on earth do you get the idea that Democrats believe that
everyone in the whole world has the right to come to America and get welfare and
government assistance for life?Please explain and show proof with
specific examples please.
I have a dream...that all those people fed up with Trump will relocate to a
better place, like Haiti or El Salvador.But it is only a dream. They
won't even keep their promise and move to Canada.Those who know
the truth, the people who left those countries, know Trump is right. They love
it here and want to bring in all their relatives. That's the
thing about black holes; no one wants to live there.Trump is
shattering the narrative that the USA is a bad place and that we should be more
like the rest of the world.
His remarks should be lambasted because they show who he really is. He has
blatantly shown he is not the president for all citizens, just the "right
kind" of citizens. Appalling.
So three questions for all those appalled and horrified that Trump doesn't
want to import the entire nation of Haiti and put them on the government dole
and instead would prefer to have more Norwegians:1) Does every
single person in the world have a right to come to America and be put on our
welfare rolls and get government benefits for life like the Democrat party
claims?2) If not: what is the criteria we should use to keep out the
undesirables? 3) If so: Why don't we just conquer the world and
make everyone an American in their own city and town?Corollary to
question 2: If Haitians are not on the list of undesirables, then who is? We
already know most of you demand unlimited Muslim immigration, the more angry and
criminal the better; so they are out. If Haitians are not on the list of
undesirables, then isn't your answer to question 1 really "There should
be no limits at all" and thus, you must face question 3.
I would like to read what was actually said versus hearing what a bunch of
biased politicians said. Seems people on this thread just like to jump to
conclusions. Also why are we taking any emigrants in, isn't it time these
countries step up and take care of their own problems, so their citizens do not
have to leave? Let us help other countries to become strong themselves.
Senator Hatch called President Trump the best President ever, and that was after
Access Hollywood came out and now he has to defend the best President ever.
@FatherOfFour - WEST VALLEY CITY, UTNorway is still a market based
economy, a Capitalist country. Only in some socialist way of wealth
re-distribution.And no matter how Socialist/Capitalist debate goes,
Haiti is still very under-developed country, not even anywhere close to Norway.
Mia Love has Spoken about the DJT’s decadent words in context on
immigration. However, the other members of the Utah delegation have
not responded properly to these irreverent and harassing comments by the
President.It really isn’t too different about people from
certain countries than in the Access Hollywood about women, our mothers,
daughters and spouse.Having lived in 6 countries in Central and
South America and in Germany and the Philippines and traveled in 30 other
countries over the past 51 years, the United States of America has been a light
on the hill to the world. We have had Presidential, Legislative and Justice
dignity and diplomacy over the centuries globally. The people from
these areas and countries are children of God and should not be relegated to the
President's considered status. The trophy wife to what he termed the people
yesterday are from foreign countries. All people should be treated with
respect.Having worked with professional engineers, administrative
personnel, scientists and military personnel from more than 80 countries of
various ethnicity, cultures and backgrounds, I cannot believe the President
would consider these people less than human.
The sad thing is, Trump is still a better choice than Hillary.
@ illuminated"Fake news. Americans love the truth and they love
their President!"Of course you would. The 30 percent who still
approve of him and carry around tiki torches and Nazi flags will always love a
racist like Trump. Fortunately, 70 percent of the country
doesn't agree with you.Can't wait to wipe out the GOP in
the midterms and impeach Trump!
@viejogeezer - CARLSBAD, CAAt the time when The new Colossus was
engraved on the Statue of Liberty's lower level, Chinese exclusion act was
just made permanent by Congress, and that exclusion was later extended to all
Asian immigrants. And of course people from Africa were not allow to
immigrate in the first place at that time. Basically that poem on the Statue of
Liberty was speaking for the European immigrants.
@Vanceone - Provo, UTJan. 12, 2018 1:07 p.m."Norway is one
of the most advanced countries in the world."It is also one of
the most socialist countries in the world. Haiti is a product of capitalism.
@David - Centerville, UTWhile I appreciate your willingness to help
a true conservative defeat Trump in 2020, there is no way that will happen. As
the incumbent, his party will not have primary elections. Primaries are held
either by the party not in power (in this case the democrats) or at the end of
two terms where both parties are selecting a new leader. Trump is the candidate
for the GOP by default of incumbency.
The capital of Haiti does not have a sewer system. Human waste is literally
piled in the streets. Norway is one of the most advanced countries in the
world.Our leftists are appalled and horrified that someone might
express an opinion that we should have more Norwegian immigrants and less
immigrants from a country that cannot even build a sewer system. Our Navy ships
literally have to be decontaminated every time they do anything with Haiti.
(Note that a large part of this problem is because the Clintons robbed Haiti
blind).Let us here note that given the demonstrable differences
between Haiti and Norway, to immediately jump to racism must mean that you
yourself are racists. It cannot be that Haiti really is the literal definition
of third world hole and Norway is an advanced country... no, the only possible
reason is racism. Right? That makes you leftists the racists.
The irony is his supporters finding Trump's words and actions refreshing
even while it heavily tarnishes our reputation over seas and diminishes the
office of the Presidency. Yet, they are appalled when a silent, black man takes
a knee during the national anthem to express his opinion. Our next President
is going to have spend his first year in office on an apology tour visiting the
billions of people Trump and America has offended.
I feel confident that if it was Bill Clinton, or Barack Obama that had spoken
this way, Republicans would be in an uproar. But because Trump is a
Republican, and all that seems to matter anymore is winning at all costs, many
Republicans are just fine with Trump.This is deeply disturbing and
wrong.I will state it now--as a conservative, I will donate and work
to make sure a true conservative replaces Trump in 2020.
I am saddened and bit frightened by the comments made by those who still support
I am shocked and saddened, even appalled by Trump.I am also shocked
and saddened that there are so many on these comment boards that find
Trump's language, position, and descriptions acceptable, even admirable.
Under our political system, the policies and consequences resulting from
Trump's personal racial biases are imputed to all Americans. Unfortunately
the system spreads culpabilty even to those who did not vote for Trump.Not so for the Republican party.Republicans chose Trump as their
candidate. On purpose. From a field of over a dozen choices.Republicans -- by and large -- are also remaining silent. Deliberately. Hiding under the covers, waiting this issue to
blow-over before being found and asked for an on-the-record comment.Thus the GOP -- and not Trump -- is the problem America needs to fix.Trump is a predictable hazard...a passive, slow-moving iceberg in the North
Atlantic on the night of April 14, 1912. Republicans are the ones
at the helm of the Titanic, ignoring the warnings and running at full throttle,
knowing that only a fraction of the passengers would survive if it sunk.America will survive Trump and the GOP. The rule of law will deal with
the former, and the rising generations of voters will marginalize the latter.
Not shocking to see the Trumpistas here defending vile, racist remarks by Trump.
All the Senators and congressman are lying not the Donald. He is totally in
control and seeing how low the gullible will go. This is just the most extreme
reality game to the Donald.
Perhaps we should change the inscription on the Statue of LibertyGive me your blonde of hair and eyes of blueBut keep your poor and those
of darker hueSend these, the rich and beautiful to meI lift my lamp
to other scoundrels too
Frozen Fractals--you can help people without having them moving into your house
and using up your bank account.Let's broaden the view. There
are are many ways of helping people.
President Trump is a proud American, maybe too proud, to see countries like
Haiti, Sudan, as the same way to see USA or Norway. and I doubt anybody in the
world would see those countries as favorably as western developed countries.Sure, his language is in-excusable, but people should move on, and try
to figure out a way to make Haiti a better country.
Trump clarified his statement. He said: "It is both a right and a
responsibility of a democratic society to manage immigration so that it serves
the national interest."Oh wait. My bad. That statement was made
by Barbara Jordan in a report to Bill Clinton in 1994.It seems
we've created a new political divide by insisting on bringing needy
immigrants here.Jordan further said: "The Commission recommends
the elimination of the admission of unskilled workers. Unless there is another
compelling interest... it is not in the national interest to admit unskilled
workers. This is especially true when the U.S. economy is showing difficulty in
absorbing disadvantaged workers and when efforts towards welfare reform indicate
that many unskilled Americans will be entering the labor force."It seems that these days Barbara Jordan would be called a racist.
Oh, remember the quaint times of yore? Obama ordered dijon mustard
and wore ill-fitting jeans and FoxNews went ballistic.Or, remember
when he "debased the office of the President" by taking off his suit
jacket in the Oval Office, or saluted with a coffee cup in his hands?Oh, the horror! Fox News lambasted Obama and claimed he was dividing our
nation for such outrageous behaviour.Now we have Fox News defending
Trumps racist rhetoric, every time it comes spewing out of his mouth-hole.
Trump finally got Democrats to call themselves "Sh****rs" on live
television. Within one year of his Presidency, priceless.He's
driving them nuts and I just can't get enough of it. MAGA! Go Trump!
@christoph: "Hollywood is full of bad words..."Not one
person is concerned about the "bad words." Absolutely nobody. We are outraged at the open racism expressed by Trump. How he said
it does not matter. What he said is the problem. Some of the best
and most giving people I know drop the "F bomb" in every sentence. Their
words are not their worth, not how they are judged - what their words *mean,*
how they talk about people, how they treat people... that is the key. Trump, in this simple exchange, clearly and unquestioningly revealed who he
is. Not the word he used, but what he said. And it is unacceptable.
Fake news. Americans love the truth and they love their President!
I wonder how many Haitians, Somalians, Ethiopians, etc. have labored on Trump
construction projects? I'm betting it's a lot more than immigrants
He may be vulgar, but the man speaks his mind and that is refreshing.
@worf;"People of have embraced vulgar words. It's become common
in everyday American television shows, movies, and conversations. Why the
hostile reaction?"@Christoph;"Hollywood is full of bad
words, and so is culture of east and west coasts; I've lived short periods
of time on each coast. Nothing new here."It's not the word.
It's Trump labeling anyone coming from those countries as undesirables,
while proclaiming we need white immigrants from "decent" countries, like
Norway. I sure hope that you really know the difference and are just commenting
for argument's sake. "Bad words" is not the issue. The issue is the
President of the US using vulgar language to label entire populations.
Heaven help us ... is there no limit?
Frozen Fractals --we don't need to bring the world to our country. This
planet is large enough for all people. Would you bring your neighborhood to
live in your house?If you want to help people, --fix the area they
currently live in.
@worf - "We don't need to import liberal voters"Trump
denigrated immigration of people from countries in the developing world - people
who probably already know about how to work hard & appreciate freedom...
... while asking why we can't get more people from a highly
socialistic Scandinavian country.Defenders of Trump (and Republicans
in general) are being made fools of by a man who is so far out of his depth
it's both apparent, and alarming.Example: He clearly agreed in
the meeting broadcast on TV that Democrat Diane Feinstein's idea of a
"clean DACA bill" was perfectly fine, and then responded to Republican
Kevin McCarthy that Feinstein agreed to have the wall built, which was also
clearly not the case.It's going to get worse...
The Nazis say the Nordic people of Germany and Norway as the "purest
Aryans." Trump just declared that we need more people from
Norway and nobody from countries where people are black and brown. This was not vulgar. It was not rude. It was pure and open racism.
Kudos to Mia Love for denouncing Trump's comments, and to Hatch for at
least saying something.What about Lee, Bishop, Stewart and Curtis?
The delay in their responses is troubling.Are Utah's
representatives capable of a timely, straight-forward response, like Mia Love,
or are they seeking help in precisely calibrating a political response?
@worf"Trump was not describing the people, but their living conditions
and leaders."Except for the part where he doesn't want
those people coming here...
Trump denied it. That should be good enough for the gullible.
Hollywood is full of bad words, and so is culture of east and west coasts;
I've lived short periods of time on each coast. Nothing new here.
People of have embraced vulgar words. It's become common in everyday
American television shows, movies, and conversations. Why the hostile reaction?
In many countries, the people are trapped in poverty. It's
the result of evil leadership. It's been that way through our history.Why not fix the country they live in, rather than bringing them here to
the USA.Trump was not describing the people, but their living
conditions and leaders.In some cases, the people voted in their evil
leaders in their home countries and would likely do the same here. We don't
need to import liberal voters.
Leaders of many public and private organizations have been forced out for
comments and behaviors that Trump exhibits. There has been clear and
unquestionable demonstration that his character flaws make him unfit to serve in
his post. Shameful for his behavior and even worse for those who coninue to
justify his actions.
You know what is the worst thing about Trump's comments, the fact that his
most ardent supporters don't call him out on his bigotry but instead
continue to cheer lead him on and support his MAGA agenda and why? . . . because
they believe 'the ends justify the means'. Truly pathetic.
I find it hard to believe that we (evangelicals and Mormons) chose this
individual as our political standard bearer and are largely responsible for his
election.. He is antithetical to everything we believe yet we elected him
because of his ostensible support of our two favorite social issues and that he
calls himself a Republican. SHAME, SHAME, SHAME.
Just another lie to throw on the Mt Everest sized heap of lies he tells on a
daily basis.Dude, quit lying about things that are easily provable.
Your base won't care, but everybody else in the country does.