Rep. Mia Love demands Trump apologize for vulgar remark about Haiti

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  • Lib on Planet Zion Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 16, 2018 10:29 a.m.

    @illuminated, @Subscriber, @CPA, @L Josh, et al

    Quite interesting that liberal intellectuals have been warning of Trump’s racist behavior from the onset. Which himself and faction have denied, however Trump has kept up this rhetoric throughout the campaign and continues on with it since the inauguration. The examples unfortunately are countless. Enablers made excuses and continue making excuses...”Trump didn’t mean that”! “Trump isn’t a racist”. “He didn’t say that”! What specifically would you label anyone else that made the identical statements? Apologists have uttered the uninformed response calling others who point out this behavior as “race-baiting”. Suggestion. Read a history book. Possibly you'll learn that people from these “s******e countries” so eloquently stated by the Tweeter and Chief were slaves who were brought by force to help build this country. The apologist demographic needs to seriously undergo self-examination and question what it says about themselves that they continue offering excuses regarding this absolute embarrassment no matter what is said or how unpresidential of Trump’s behavior. It makes one complicit. Country before party comrades! Thank you.

  • Lib Living on Planet Zion SLC, UT
    Jan. 15, 2018 9:23 p.m.

    @illuminated, @Subscriber, @CPA, @L Josh, et al

    It’s quite interesting that liberal intellectuals have been warning of Trump’s racist behavior from the onset. Which himself and faction have denied, however Trump has kept up this rhetoric throughout the campaign and continues on with it since the inauguration. The examples unfortunately are countless. Enablers made excuses and continue making excuses...”Trump didn’t mean that”! “Trump isn’t a racist”. “He didn’t say that”! What specifically would you label anyone else that made the identical statements? Apologists have uttered the uninformed response calling others who point out this behavior as “race-baiting”. Suggestion. Read a history book. Possibly you'll learn that people from these “s******e countries” so eloquently stated by the Tweeter and Chief were slaves who were brought by force to help build this country. The apologist demographic needs to seriously undergo self-examination and question what it says about themselves that they continue offering excuses regarding this absolute embarrassment no matter what is said or how unpresidential Trump’s behavior. It makes one complicit. Country before party comrades! Thank you.

  • Edward777 eugene, OR
    Jan. 15, 2018 12:53 p.m.

    I find it disturbing that people are more than willing to convict Trump of something that the rest of the senators in attendance said he did not do. However, even if he did then so what? Harry S. Truman talked like a sailor and was one of our best presidents. Are people aware that immigrants that went through Ellis Island had to undergo mental and physical tests and if they were not 100% healthy they were sent back? And yes, the Statue of Liberty, symbolizing the Sumerian goddess Inanna, was rejected by Egypt and was then sent to the USA. The words are symbolic but the USA cannot take in every poor person in the world or else we will be just as poor.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Jan. 14, 2018 7:18 a.m.

    Congresswoman Love. The old saying sometimes the truth hurts is applicable in this case. Hard as it is for you to accept the Presidents description of Haiti he called it as it is. No flowers no perfume is one reason I voted for him and would vote for him again. Haiti has been a country for what 200 years and is still what it is doesn't speak well for the inhabitants. Why did your parents leave? They are who they are and Haiti is what it is. Political Correctness? We are drowning in it.

  • dotGone Puyallup, WA
    Jan. 13, 2018 9:44 p.m.

    So he should have referred to those countries as "messy ineffective disasters" so we don't have to expend so much energy with the name-calling, sanctimonious shaming, hand wringing and judgmental condemning. We want kids to stop bullying each other, but until adults get some manners and are kinder to each other, its not going to happen. Yes, Trump needs to learn to talk like a politician, weighing every word very carefully - with the focus being more on CYA rather than being frank. He needs to watch every word and express himself more circumspectly. In his previous career, he probably wasn't surrounded by people hoping to destroy him. Lets give him time to acclimate to the toxic DC environment and the press that wants to destroy him.

  • A Guy With A Brain Enid, OK
    Jan. 13, 2018 10:01 a.m.

    2 of 2:

    "IF" Trump said what those on the left say he did (which I'm not sure he actually did because the mainstream media makes it sound like Trump can't even tie his shoes correctly), he is guilty only of speaking the truth. It might be a crude way to say it, but it is still the truth. And for speaking the truth, people are freaking out over it? And Mia Love, who I deeply respect for many reasons, is offended but yet SHE left Haiti to come to AMERICA.

    Why? Because Haiti is great?

    Many people need to separate themselves from their "performance". Yes, it is entirely possible to have things in your life, like how you fly a plane, or the country you originated from, to be critiqued negatively and yet not feel personally attacked.

    Mia Love and many others here apparently don't understand how, or why, to do this.

  • A Guy With A Brain Enid, OK
    Jan. 13, 2018 9:47 a.m.

    Honest question: "IF" Trump said what he is claimed to have said, did he say anything untrue?

    I used to teach guys to fly in the Air Force. If they flew well enough to pass the sortie (the "flight"), then I would give them a passing grade; an overall "F" for "Fair, a "G" for "Good" or an "E" for "Excellent". But if they flew poorly then they would get a "U" for "Unsatisfactory". Every time I gave a student a failing grade, a "U", I first took a few moments to tell them that I was critiquing their performance and not them as people. I would say, "Look, you are lieutenant so-and-so, an all-American hero, but let's talk about your performance today....let's talk about what you DID in the plane today."

    What's that have to do with this statement that Trump supposedly made?

    Let's suppose he did call some countries "_ _ _ _ holes". Is that untrue? Are those places really extremely undesirable places to be? If so, then Trump is only guilty of using a swear word to describe the truth. And, by the way, I am absolutely confident that many people who are freaking out over this use that exact same phrase they claim used to describe places THEY don't like.

  • YBH Sugarland, TX
    Jan. 13, 2018 9:36 a.m.

    Congresswoman Love, there are millions of Americans who believe USA is a far far much better country than Haiti. And President Trump is just one of them.

    I am sorry he used crude language, and it hurts your feelings. But the reason you are a congresswoman is because you were raised in this great nation, it has nothing to do with Haiti.

  • New to Utah Provo, UT
    Jan. 13, 2018 6:47 a.m.

    Mia has every right to challenge the president on vulgar comments. He needs to clean up his act.

  • stuckInTheMiddle Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2018 6:00 a.m.

    Thank-you speaking up, Mia Love! I appreciate your courage in speaking up for immigrants, TPS and Dreamers even though that's a highly controversial subject right now! I don't envy any of you in congress. Any stand taken by anyone in congress seems to result in backlash from one side or the other and I imagine you all are having to be extremely careful in picking your battles. (There are too many complaints from people who don 't understand how complex things are and who wouldn't be able to do any better, imo.)

    Please know that there are people who really appreciate and recognize your efforts and sacrifice! You have my vote!

  • the last to fall Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 10:56 p.m.

    @Odin Owns Ye All!
    Re: "in 1883 there was no very real and very immediate danger of devastating and massive terrorist attacks?"

    Rather than an act of terrorism by someone from a poor country who seeks a better life for their family, I'm much more fearful of a middle-class white American male with a skewed sense of the 2nd Amendment taking me and 50 other people out at [insert entertainment venue/restaurant/school/movie theater] with an automatic weapon for which he has no need because there's no practical reason to own such a weapon.

    I'm more worried about things that have a greater likelihood of happening: getting killed by a drunk driving or weed-smoking American-born citizen. I'm more worried about getting killed by a born-and-bred American driving down the road while texting. I'm more worried about getting killed in an incident of medical malpractice in a broken healthcare and civil tort system.

    I'm even more worried about getting killed in a nuclear war with some 2-bit, inconsequential country on the Korean peninsula, not because the Korean leader is unstable, but because the American leader is more unstable than the Korean with an ego that can't be satiated!

  • mrjj69 bountiful, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 8:55 p.m.

    This is ANOTHER person who is OFFENDED by something. Stand in line. It's a long one.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 8:26 p.m.

    Mia has demanded an apology, what happens when that is not forthcoming?

    Trump denies he said that, he also denied saying he was on the bus with Billy Bush and now he denies that is his voice on the tape.

    2000+ identifiable lies in his first year, seems he is not wanting to lower that number going into the second year.

    Trump had such a wonderful opportunity to change things for the good in this country, but he picks small fights, his old buddies who supported him for years before his presidency, are now being fired for calling him out on his lack of good judgement.

    Trump also wastes time defending his family in the whitehouse, what are they doing there? They have zero experience and hqave proven ineffective in controlling him or his tweets.

    Regan stood up for the country and stood toe to toe with its enemies while Don is embracing our enemies and standing up for his old tv show performances and his winning sized crowd.

    Turning the country on itself and going backwards are not things leaders are noted for.

    Step up oh president, step up

  • Misty Mountain Kent, WA
    Jan. 12, 2018 8:16 p.m.

    To every Norwegian out there:

    Are you tired of universal healthcare?

    Do you hate public spending on infrastructure?

    Are you tired of having a stable social system?

    Have we got a country for you!

  • oaklandaforlife Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 6:59 p.m.

    Dear Mia,

    Plain and simple, demand a resignation. Our current POTUS has very deep and troublesome issues.

  • goodnight-goodluck Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 5:45 p.m.

    And the rest of the Utah Delegation. Oh don't take it out of context....

  • JP71 Ogden, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 4:54 p.m.

    @Odin Owns Ye All!

    Yes, I am aware of where the Statue of Liberty came from. It is no less a symbol of who we should be as a nation.

    Are we not all immigrants? Aren't we just a bunch of terrorists to the Native Americans. Native Americans can say the same things about you and me.

  • Odin Owns Ye All! Fountain Valley, CA
    Jan. 12, 2018 4:11 p.m.

    @JP71

    There is nothing in the Declaration of Independence, the U.S. Constitution, or any of the Founding Documents inviting the "wretched refuse" of the third-world to come be our guests.

    You do know that the Statue of Liberty is from France, right? And that the inscription is from a poem written for a fundraiser in 1883, a century after the Founding?

    And, more importantly, you do realize that the quality of people immigrating to the U.S. in 1883 was significantly higher than it is now, and that in 1883 there was no very real and very immediate danger of devastating and massive terrorist attacks?

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 4:02 p.m.

    @ hardware

    "You people are taking it as gospel truth he said something, again in the news from CNN, undocumented and you are ready to hang him. Don't be a follower and get upset over this kind of reporting. It's all masterminded to get you upset at him ..."

    Senator Dick Durbin, one of the senators at the conference, confirmed the story. Not one senator there has denied the story. The White House never denied the story.

    Ad hominem media attacks are not necessary in this instance. That's the only card you have and you are being called out.

  • hardware Erda, Ut
    Jan. 12, 2018 3:39 p.m.

    You people are taking it as gospel truth he said something, again in the news from CNN, undocumented and you are ready to hang him. Don't be a follower and get upset over this kind of reporting. It's all masterminded to get you upset at him. Mia, I am ashamed of. She is reacting the same Obama did over so many police related issues. Wait until the facts and something is proven, otherwise ignore it.

  • my_two_cents_worth university place, WA
    Jan. 12, 2018 3:11 p.m.

    The silver lining to the Trump presidency is that racism in America is no longer something in the shadows; something easily ignored. This president embraces white supremacy and in doing so has emboldened those who think likewise to crawl out of the shadows and make themselves known to the rest of us. We see you now and we know who you are.

  • logical Meridian, ID
    Jan. 12, 2018 2:46 p.m.

    Let's clear up the immigration issue. US statistics show that from 1930 to 1970 (50 years) the total number of immigrants was less than half of the current decade, 2010 to 2020, and this decade is not over. So, you are right about there not being a complete halt, but it was strictly controlled for the most part. During that period, there were exceptions. During those 50 years, most of "immigrants" were refugees from Europe and Asia, and do you recall that there was World War II, the Korean conflict, Vietnam, and the ongoing cold war during that period?
    I for one am not opposed to maintaining our identity and sovereignty by controlling immigration. Does that make me a racist? (def of Racist- a cheap word to call someone when you don't like their opinion.)

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Jan. 12, 2018 2:33 p.m.

    Crazy world!

    People can burn the American flag, use the restroom of a different gender, or not stand for the National Anthem,--but a president who accurately describe living conditions of other countries are appalled.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 2:26 p.m.

    Careful there, Tucker. You are using logic in a land of rhetoric.

    "The word 'racism' is like ketchup. It can be put on practically anything - and demanding evidence makes you a 'racist.'"
    Thomas Sowell

  • HSTucker Holladay, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 2:17 p.m.

    @jeclair: "Now, I'm pretty sure that..." Bingo. As I've posted elsewhere, the argument appears to be that, starting from biased assumptions, economic differences (e.g., Haiti vs Norway) can be interpreted as racist. By extension, anything can be interpreted as racist, because the interpretation isn't driven by logic, but by emotion.

    Mr. Trump used crude language. I wish he would be more polite, just as I wish broad segments of society would be more polite, particularly the entertainment/media/democrat complex.

  • Yuge Opportunity Here Mapleton, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 2:09 p.m.

    So...if Trump was wrong in his assessment, why didn't Mia's parents go back home? Why doesn't Mia live there now?

    How many immigrants from those countries went back home?

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 1:44 p.m.

    "WHEN will our Congressional representatives ALL find the courage it takes to stand up to the disgusting garbage flowing from the White House?"

    At least outside of Congress, Republicans do stand up against garbage that comes out of the White House (Republicans in Congress don't have a backbone). Democrats stand up against garbage coming out of the White House, but ONLY if it's inhabited by Republicans.

    So it seems the only way to have Republicans and Democrats united against garbage is for Democrats to start calling things out on their side, or to keep a Republican in the White House (preferably a better candidate, though).

    On the other hand, Democrats start to call anything Republicans do "garbage"; Trump only has to sneeze in order to get the left all riled up and calling for impeachment. I was reading comments on an article about Walmart's announcement to raise wages and give out bonuses because of the decreased tax burden, and the liberals made it sound like that was a bad thing. Amazing.

  • jeclar2006 Oceanside, CA
    Jan. 12, 2018 1:34 p.m.

    @ Misty Mountain - Kent, WA

    While it is true there was much immigration during the period 1920-1960, there was also massive deportations during the 1950s targeting Mexican undocumented immigrants, and if there were actual US citizens, or legal residents, too bad for them.

    It is estimated that over 1 million Mexicans were rounded up in 1954, and the program continued with lesser numbers until the 1960s. The program was named using a 'racial' epithet, which these days is not considered to be appropriate for polite company.

    Trump apparently wants to return to the days when one felt no shame in using derogatory labels and words for people whose major sin is to believe that the US has opportunities to work for a better life.

  • glacierlake3 Provo, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 1:16 p.m.

    Imperfect I am, even below the dust of the earth.
    3rd Nephi 11:30
    Behold this is not my doctrine to stir up the hearts of men with anger one against another, but this is my doctrine that such things should be done away. First let me testify that Jesus is Christ the son of the living God and my Savior and Redeemer and the Savior and redeemer of mankind and the four standard works of the church of the church of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints are a part of the word of god in their entirety and Joseph Smith Jr. who translated the Book of Mormon also taught be of grace that when judgment come it be not so hard one you for Christ does rule in all perfect just righteous judgment in mercy, and justice and vengeance and in all things forever and ever. Mia love is weak from her past performance on the issue of immigration and so have many others. but now one has hit close to home. It's her day in the area. How will she do. hope she wins. Gaining points are valuable as well in the matter.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 12:38 p.m.

    logic and reason has been completely removed in arguments today.

  • BigAlAvenger Summit, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 12:35 p.m.

    Mia Love is so upstanding. I viewed numerous video clips of her plainly saying she would not vote for Beohner as speaker. Then her first vote was for him as speaker. So many of our politicians are hypocritical. Progressives first response is always to call someone racist. I fail to see the racist tag in saying something derogatory about the way a country is governed.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 12:25 p.m.

    We all should demand an apology or at least to not say he deny the facts.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    Jan. 12, 2018 12:20 p.m.

    So when they're possible converts to your religion, they're valuable. Not so much when they want to emigrate. Got it.

  • milquetoasty Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 12:19 p.m.

    2/2

    @illuminated

    You said:

    "My ancestors came here and worked themselves to the bone without a single handout. Immigrants are coming today for a handout. That's not love, that's not charity. That's hate for people FORCED to subsidize them."

    Without a single handout?? If they came, like my ancestors did, to Ellis Island, the only thing they had to do was show up. No fee, no test, no nothing. Can we say the same for contemporary immigrants?

    Your claim that these (fellow human beings) are only showing up for a handout, and are unwilling to work, is unsourced. Care to provide some evidence? And how do you know your ancestors never received any assistance?

    It breaks my heart that people can write off entire nationalities as inferior people.

    "That's hate for people FORCED to subsidize them."

    Last question: Is it better for 10 undeserving people to have assistance if that means one person who deserves it gets the help they need? Or is it better to cut off all help to shut down the undeserving? I know my answer.

  • milquetoasty Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 12:10 p.m.

    1/2

    @illuminated

    You said:

    "You didn't answer my question. Why do they need to be here if their country is not how Trump described it? We don't need anymore immigrants. We have enough people. They can stay where they live and "lift where they stand".

    I apologize for not directly answering your question, but here it is: It is true that the countries Trump insulted have serious problems. It is true that immigrants from those countries would prefer to live in the U.S. than their home countries for many reasons. It's possible to recognize that without being vulgar and insulting.

    However, it is the context that is the problem and why I posed my question to you (which you didn't answer). Where did your ancestors come from? What Trump is suggesting is to literally stop people immigrating from countries he doesn't like. My Italian ancestors would've fallen into that category when they immigrated in the late 1800s, and they had the same accusations lobbed at them. Literally the same. Would your ancestors have been allowed?

  • Misty Mountain Kent, WA
    Jan. 12, 2018 12:05 p.m.

    @bamafone wrote,

    "There was a nearly 40 year period between the 1920's and 1960's where there was a complete halt of immigration for the very reasons Trump is pointing out."

    What on earth are you talking about? There were tens of millions of immigrants during that time period. Huge numbers of refugees from Europe after the war. Thousands of Japanese "war brides". Over 100,000 refugees from Hungary in the late fifties. And lots and lots of Scandanavian and British LDS converts who settled in Utah.

  • Astoria Jim Mamaroneck, NY
    Jan. 12, 2018 11:50 a.m.

    Trump's comment was not an idle remark at a company Christmas party, uttered by an otherwise decent person who might have had too much to drink. It was a calculated statement that reinforced exactly the kind of person he is, and I knew his type well:
    Trump and I both grew up in Queens County, New York, and as immigrants from Latin America (first Puerto Ricans, as in West Side Story) and later Africa moved into neighborhoods that had been inhabited by Italians, Irish, Greeks, and Poles...people who had also fled poverty years before...there was a grumbling about "them", forgetting that two generations before, our uneducated, unskilled immigrant ancestors from southern and eastern Europe. were "them", too.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 11:36 a.m.

    We should honor the people. The countries they come from may not be perfect but our country has been the bright light on the hill. These people, including our relatives and ancestors came from these countries and backgrounds.

    In Utah, we need to show love and respect to people of all nations. The Deseret Industries sets an example to train, educate and help people blend these people into our commmunities. Those people live in our communities and need our encouragement and association.

    We send LDS missionaries all around the world to as many countries as accept our missionaries and safety for missionaries. Many of these missionaries, men and women, learn a foreign language and live in those countries from 18 to 24 months in all kinds of conditions.

    Some of the commenters appear to have some feelings that the President expressed and I hope they will share the love of Christ to all people.

    There are LDS wards, stakes, branches and districts in many countries.

  • Liberal On Planet Zion SLC, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 11:29 a.m.

    @barfolo

    “There was a stigma attached to being on the public dole. Nowadays, people seem to wear their entitlements like a badge. They ridicule each other for not getting the most you can from the government. "You only get welfare? Heck, I get welfare, food stamps, a free phone and SS payments for the phony disability I told them I have! There are even self help books and pamphlets as well as seminars on how to get the most out of government”

    The intellectual prowess continues! Apparently you have no plans collecting S.S. After all you would never desire a “handout”! Provide credible source material rather Breitbart/Infowars rhetoric. Obviously you’re unaware of the difficulty obtaining SS disability! What specifically is your legal knowledge regarding this matter besides absolute zero? I’m certain your perspective regarding financial assistance provided to some members of the LDS Church is looked at differently. Get a clue. Repost!

    “The left always blames the right for wanting to turn back the clock”.

    Correct! This is due to the factual accuracy/policies put forth by the Tweeter and Chief. Supreme Leader’s approval ratings are between 32%-36% and declining hourly comrade!

  • jeclar2006 Oceanside, CA
    Jan. 12, 2018 11:24 a.m.

    @HSTucker -- "But can someone from the left explain to me why they find that word racist?"

    The word itself, given it is more often used in impolite company, is not the 'racist' element. The racist element is the context of the entire reported comment. This is the context in outline.

    1) Why are all these people from Haiti or similar 's..' coming to the US
    2) Why aren't people from Norway coming instead.

    Now, I'm pretty sure that when Trump refers to Norway, he believes them to be white folks, and not living in poverty (and if they are not living in poverty why would they want to come here for reduced social services, unemployment potential, and just having to learn another language at the very least.)

    Whereas I'm pretty sure that most of the 's..' are places where people of a more swarthy complexion live, and for a variety of reasons, predominantly centuries of exploitation, have not been able to develop an economy such as to limit or eliminate their poverty.

    The US has been a land of opportunity for those whose native lands are 's...'. Trump's recently arrived ancestors did the same. Two of his 3 wives did the same in leaving their respective 's..'.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 11:23 a.m.

    Mia Love has finally been vocal about the President's decadent and abhorrent actions and words in context with the setting on immigration.

    Having lived in 6 countries in Central and South America and in Germany and the Philippines and traveled in 30 other countries over the past 51 years, the United States of America has been a light on the hill to the world. We have had Presidential, Legislative and Justice dignity and diplomacy over the centuries globally.

    The people from these areas and countries are children of God and should not be relegated to the President's considered status. The trophy wife to what he termed the people yesterday are from foreign countries. All people should be treated with respect.

    Having worked with professional engineers, administrative personnel, scientists and military personnel from more than 80 countries of various ethnicity, cultures and backgrounds, I cannot believe the President would consider these people less than human.

  • dmcvey Los Angeles, CA
    Jan. 12, 2018 11:17 a.m.

    So this is what it took? It wasn't his avalanche of previous statements? This is what Trump has always been.

  • logical Meridian, ID
    Jan. 12, 2018 11:10 a.m.

    You people who are condemning this president for his language (quoted from an unnamed source) and frankness are you saying we should go back to a president who stands behind a teleprompter and hides his true agenda? Does that make you feel better?

    Are we not supposed to support a president who says things we disagree with? Is that what you are advocating? I don't agree with the way this president or the last president on many things, but the anger and the hate that flows from your mouths (and fingers) is shocking. Maybe he is not good for the USA, we will find out what the people think in the next election and guess what? Our nation will survive. I have to admit that I was shocked that Bill Clinton and Obama were re-elected and yet we are still here and are still the best nation in the world (I don't think you will call Norway for help if you are every attacked by a military strong man.)

  • whatsup1 Kekaha, HI
    Jan. 12, 2018 11:08 a.m.

    Many Trump supporters say they like him because he says what he thinks. It's time we took this to heart and look at what he thinks from his tweets to his speeches and realize we voted in someone we don't want representing our country. If we can't get Republicans to realize this we need a new conservative party.

  • JP71 Ogden, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 11:07 a.m.

    @James E

    What if I was an employer in Salt Lake City and said I do not want any employees from Toole because they have nothing to offer. I only want employees from Utah County Silicon Slopes because they have something to offer.

    Is this not discriminatory based on preconceived ideas of geography.

    Now, what if everyone in Toole was also Black and everyone in Silicon Slopes was white? Is it not logical to assume an association with race also?

    All groups and have worth. The people who have contributed the most to society have often come from poor countries.

    The statue of liberty says “Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”

  • jeclar2006 Oceanside, CA
    Jan. 12, 2018 10:54 a.m.

    @stevo123 -- "Senator Hatch has weighed in, where are the rest of our Reps?"

    Apparently, since Hatch has announced retirement, like a number of other soon to be retired representatives, they no longer have to pander to the mean, racist electorate that has formed the core support for Trump and Co., that clearly other representatives have to appeal to, to retain their office.

    The only hope I have of something good coming of Trump's election, and the pattern that has been set over the last year, is that the GOP moderates can stare into the abyss of the Far Right, and move back from the precipice.

    I fear however, the GOP will not step back in any significant way.

  • James E Tooele, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 10:49 a.m.

    For those asking why we can't follow our immigration policy from 150 years ago, I would ask you to ponder the differences in our economy, culture, government and environment since 1870. And for those saying it's wrong to judge a whole group based on where they live I would point you to the current immigration system where that is the major factor in accepting applications. The entire immigration lottery program is based on that criteria exclusively. So if we're accepting a limited number of immigrants why not choose educated people most likely to contribute to our society? Seems like common sense to me.

  • James E Tooele, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 10:49 a.m.

    For those asking why we can't follow our immigration policy from 150 years ago, I would ask you to ponder the differences in our economy, culture, government and environment since 1870. And for those saying it's wrong to judge a whole group based on where they live I would point you to the current immigration system where that is the major factor in accepting applications. The entire immigration lottery program is based on that criteria exclusively. So if we're accepting a limited number of immigrants why not choose educated people most likely to contribute to our society? Seems like common sense to me.

  • HSTucker Holladay, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 10:44 a.m.

    Yes, it is unfortunate that our President uses crass language. Personally, I don't like to hear profanity, whether it's the "s" word or the Lord's name taken in vain. Sadly, profanity is seemingly celebrated in popular culture and especially in the entertainment media (whose political leanings are very well known).

    But can someone from the left explain to me why they find that word racist? Had the President used more refined language to accurately convey the extreme poverty and unsanitary living conditions so common in Haiti (and many other countries throughout the world), that wouldn't have been racist. So is the "s" word racist, or is this just an attempt by the left to overwhelm reason with emotion?

    I would like a civil answer, please. No name-calling.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 10:42 a.m.

    If I could venture to translate Trump here, the questions Rep. Love needs to answer are: Why are we importing high school dropouts? Why must we be the homeless shelter for the world?

    And the big question: Why are we doing this when there is such a great need for relief among our own citizens?

    The narrative focuses on Sergei Brin when the reality is that job creators are outliers in the the immigrant population.

    Rep. Love knows that the income level of Haitains lags behind Americans by $9K. She knows that 21% of Haitians are uninsured while only 7% of Americans are.

    Where is the benefit to the United States? The nebulous "Diversity" is a canard.

    Should Trump's question be part of the immigration debate? Certainly.

  • Watcher1 Sandy, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 10:31 a.m.

    I personally believe it's high time this nation (including its media, public figures, and politicians) started worrying more about substance than style. Mia Love has had some good approaches and ideas, but has consistently failed to be a strong leader and take a hard stand for or against anything really meaningful. Like so many other politicians and public figures, she always seems to test the prevailing political winds before she states her "position" on any given issue; she certainly hasn't been the worst, but I hope she sees some opposition from someone who's willing to deal with the hard stuff in meaningful ways. Let's forget about some random phraseology (even if it exactly duplicates what many of us think and have learned through hard experience), and let's start dealing with the decisions and positions that will actually advance our position and prospects for success.

  • illuminated Kansas City, MO
    Jan. 12, 2018 10:30 a.m.

    "Because we claim to judge people by their merits, not the country they originate from. My Italian ancestors would've been barred from entry by your standard. Irish, Chinese, Japanese, etc.. would've been turned away.

    Where are your ancestors from?"

    You didn't answer my question. Why do they need to be here if their country is not how Trump described it? We don't need anymore immigrants. We have enough people. They can stay where they live and "lift where they stand".

    My ancestors came here and worked themselves to the bone without a single handout. Immigrants are coming today for a handout. That's not love, that's not charity. That's hate for people FORCED to subsidize them.

  • JP71 Ogden, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 10:26 a.m.

    To the people who are justifying Trump's words.

    Trump said that he does not want the PEOPLE from these countries.

    To say that people from Haiti do not offer anything of substance to the USA, therefore, they should not be allowed to immigrate to the USA is to say there is not 1 single person of worth in Haiti. Not one.

    To single out an ENTIRE group of people as not worthy and deplorable is horrifyingly reminiscent of 1930's Germany.

    "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 10:19 a.m.

    The President denied he said those words this morning. He's never lied before, why would he start now?

  • SG in SLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 10:15 a.m.

    @Crossfire5,

    There were witnesses.

    Sen. Richard Durbin (D-Illinois), who was in the room when it happened, has been the most outspoken about it, but Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina), who was also in the room, has also responded regarding Trump's vile comments.

    It sickens me that Trump and his adoring trumpkins would claim that the incident "never happened" now that there is growing backlash over it, but it certainly doesn't surprise me.

  • CPA Howard Rancho Santa Margarita, CA
    Jan. 12, 2018 10:05 a.m.

    RE: kazie - Heber City, UT

    I live in California and am a republican, does my vote count? No, this is a republic and your vote only counts if you vote with the majority.

  • bachelors of science Brigham City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 9:58 a.m.

    Can someone please explain to me why having the Norwegians come here and take our high skilled-high paying jobs is a good idea?

    They will only come here to become doctors, lawyers, astronauts, software engineers, etc. They certainly won't come here to scrub toilets or pick tomatoes, they're coming for our $100K a year jobs.

    There are plenty of highly qualified and educated Americans to fill those jobs. How does giving those jobs to Norwegians while leaving Americans out in the cold benefit our country? Trump's comments reveal that he just doesn't get it.

  • milquetoasty Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 9:55 a.m.

    @illiminated

    You said:

    "If these countries are not what Trump described, why do we need to bring their people here?

    Liberal logic makes so much sense..."

    Because we claim to judge people by their merits, not the country they originate from. My Italian ancestors would've been barred from entry by your standard. Irish, Chinese, Japanese, etc.. would've been turned away.

    Where are your ancestors from?

  • DonO Draper, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 9:46 a.m.

    I am beyond disgusted with Trump's comment and with some people's attempt to excuse it, and him. I could go on and on, as some people on this thread have. But his crass comment speaks for itself...and for him. I will just ask, as others have, where is the outrage from Utah's congressional delegation?

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Jan. 12, 2018 9:38 a.m.

    Sorry Ms. Love - but Trump is the face of your party. Enjoy.

  • military mom Herriman, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 9:37 a.m.

    @ CPA Howard

    Has Trump every traveled to any of these regions? Does he speak another language? Has he interacted personally with anyone from any of the countries he disparaged? Have you? I lived in El Salvador with my family and what impressed me most was the work ethic of the native people who continually amazed me with their hard work, creativity, and innovation. The gardner rebuilt my bread maker by jerry rigging a damaged part out of scrap metal. Another entrepreneur (whose office was a bohio in the jungle) made his living by looking at pictures of wicker furniture in catalogs and then building exact copies. I lived in El Salvador several years ago and the furniture he built for me still looks fantastic. The countries Trump mentions may have serious challenges and problems, but the countries don't seek a better life here, the people do. The supposition that because one is born in a third world country means that the person is lazy or stupid or violent and cannot contribute to our society and enrich it, is evil, false, and indefensible. Trump, because he was born with a silver spoon and a silver foot in his mouth, will never understand this.

  • illuminated Kansas City, MO
    Jan. 12, 2018 9:34 a.m.

    If these countries are not what Trump described, why do we need to bring their people here?

    Liberal logic makes so much sense...

  • James E Tooele, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 9:34 a.m.

    Why should Trump apologize? Ms Love's parents didn't leave Haiti because it is a garden paradise. Seems to me their actions agree with the president's evaluation. And if we're running the US immigration policy to benefit the American people, instead of as a charity, isn't this a legitimate question? Should the president use crude language like this in public? No. But he didn't, he said it in a private meeting.
    Of course Trump should know by now that any Dem, and some in his own administration, will twist every single thing he does to fit a certain narrative. That's careless.

  • Misty Mountain Kent, WA
    Jan. 12, 2018 9:30 a.m.

    @crossfire5 writes,

    "Did the president really say what the media is now reporting so breathlessly? He says no! Is it possible that he was misquoted purposely by Democrats? Yes! A great set-up? very possible!"

    "Maybe he was misquoted" is at least one step, integrity-wise, over the commenters who are saying, "well, it's true, so what's the problem?".

    And "He says no!" implies that you believe Trump--whom you clearly think well of--wouldn't ever tell a lie.

    It hurts to see that your hero, who you trusted, has feet of clay.

  • illuminated Kansas City, MO
    Jan. 12, 2018 9:29 a.m.

    "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act."

    George Orwell, 1984

  • NeilT Ogden, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 9:27 a.m.

    I voted for Evan McMullin. I wish more Republicans like me had. To Trump supporters your attempts to defend him are pathetic. As long as the stock market is up all is well with the world.

  • K.Call Moab, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 9:25 a.m.

    “The day that Trump made the left spend 24 hours saying how beautiful and successful the ****hole countries are, thus negating their argument that illegals can’t go home because their home is a ****hole.”
    Carpe Donktum

  • bamafone Salem, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 9:18 a.m.

    Another "he said she said" story, and we have seen a lot of those lately, just ask Brian Ross. My advice to Mia Love would be to just hold your horses. Unchecked illegal immigration and refugee location brings many challenges with a vastly complex problems. Questioning the motives of those who come here illegally from any country is not racism, and taking more than our system can handle is also not racism. There was a nearly 40 year period between the 1920's and 1960's where there was a complete halt of immigration for the very reasons Trump is pointing out.

  • kazie Heber City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 9:17 a.m.

    To all people who voted for Donald Trump:

    You knew who he was when you picked him and if you didn't, shame on you. Votes count. Yours counted. He is who he is and who he has always been - a vulgar, uninformed, narcissist. He is over 70 years old and he is not going to change. Next time, please think before you vote.

  • Misty Mountain Kent, WA
    Jan. 12, 2018 9:16 a.m.

    @cjb wrote,

    "He is quietly and methodically getting rid of excecessive burdensome regulations on companies. "

    Straight outta the Republican playbook. When you're faced with an embarrassing question, make some vague assertion about something totally disconnected from the topic.

    I challenge you to take the last three "excessive" and "burdensome" regulations that Trump got rid of them, discuss the pros and cons of each, and explain why it was a good thing that they were abolished. I mean a good thing for America, not good for the benefit of the company that was being regulated.

  • Thomas Jefferson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 9:13 a.m.

    "Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, a close Trump ally, called on the president to explain his words.

    "I look forward to getting a more detailed explanation regarding the president’s comments."

    Will someone explain what 54&^*013 means to Hatch. Perhaps the person who feeds him.

    Hatch has seriously lost any sense of reason at all.

    Republicans elected the most unqualified and narcissistic president ever.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Jan. 12, 2018 9:08 a.m.

    I agree with you, Mia Love. But in the end, he's your team leader.

    Rep. Love, you are on the wrong team.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Jan. 12, 2018 9:05 a.m.

    "Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, a close Trump ally, called on the president to explain his words."

    Does Hatch really not understand what Trump meant? You'd have to be really intellectually challenged to not understand. Hatch is just genuflecting to Trump as usual. The Republican Party is no longer the Party of Lincoln - it is now the Party of Trump. Congratulations.

  • wazzup Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 9:03 a.m.

    Couple of items...........can we now assume that Mia Love will win re-election because democrats will vote for her since she is Haitian and a woman?

    Second, how much do citizens of these countries contribute, vs take from the tax rolls? I think that was his point. They come here seeking a better life (which is great) but yet they account for the largest percentage of welfare. Should the US invite people in who take, rather than give, to our economy? That's the question.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 8:57 a.m.

    I lived a couple of years in a 3rd world country--very poor, very dirty, corrupt government, corrupt culture, with violence and crime.

    The overwhelming majority of the people were wonderful! If given the right cultural and governmental structure, they would thrive just like we might, and just like we so often do. Why would we not want to extend freedom and opportunity to others? We used to!

    "From her beacon-hand
    Glows world-wide welcome; ... “Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

    What is becoming of the American ideals, values and dreams?

    As a conservative, I reject Trump's language and attitude as described so crudely and so coursely yesterday.

  • vern001 Castle Rock, CO
    Jan. 12, 2018 8:53 a.m.

    For all those who say that Haiti really is a horrible country, and that's why people are leaving it, so Trump was essentially right when he said what he did: Why did your families leave England, Italy, Germany, Ireland, etc. etc.? If those countries were so fantastic for your ancestors, they wouldn't have come here in the first place. Obviously, Haiti and certain African countries have problems. That is precisely why many of their citizens would like to come to the United States.

    This country was built by "undesirables"--Italians, Poles, Chinese, Irish. And despite coming from countries that weren't well viewed by some, they did fine. They came to this country with very little education and money, and generations later, they are the backbone of industry and business in the US.

    Let us never forget that, and let us never justify words of prejudice and racism towards other children of God who just might happen to have a different skin color.

  • Wasatch Al South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 8:50 a.m.

    As a grandfather of a wonderful boy from one of the countries our president disparages so willingly, I agree with representative Love. I know many LDS missionaries who serve in these countries and love the people who live there. My son and daughter-in-law took two weeks of their lives to go to Haiti to provide dental services to those in great need. How could anyone condone this remark made by anyone, let alone the president of The United States.

  • BradJames Manti, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 8:43 a.m.

    Trump isn't necessarily the most Christlike person out there.

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    Jan. 12, 2018 8:38 a.m.

    Just a few days back he spoke of people from Haiti saying, "they all have aids" and said that once Nigerians got a taste of the good old US--"they'd never want to go back to their huts." The NY Times reported this and the WH vehemently denied that he said it (but then---it's the WH). Today, nobody from the WH is denying these comments because too many Dem witnesses were in the room. Take a deep breath, sit back and think about it. This is our President. We voted for him. If other nations now look at us as being much the same as he vulgarly described these other countries, who could blame them. We are no longer seen as the shining light on the hill (if we ever were). We are looked at as an intolerant nation who is cowed by a reality tv star, into allowing our children to be witness to some of the most disgusting displays of hatred toward your fellow man that has ever been witnessed in this nation. There will be a steep price to pay for this.

  • RC in WJ WEST JORDAN, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 8:34 a.m.

    Re: the last to fall,

    "the last to fall writes "Mia Love, thank you for having the guts to take a position on this. Haven't seen/heard anything from Utah's congressional delegation. Their silence is noticeable."

    Spot on! and not only our Utah delegation but the leadership of the House and Senate and the majority of Congress. Each and everyone of them ought to be up in arms over Trumps statement.

    What a sad day, when the likes of Trump, Moore, Arpaio become the face of the Republican Party.

  • embarrassed Utahn! Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 8:30 a.m.

    Utah helped elect president Trump. How embarrassing! How anyone can try to justify and condone the speech from this person is absolutely unbelievable!

  • Crossfire5 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 8:29 a.m.

    Perhaps Mia should be more careful at taking news flashes from the media at face values. Did the president really say what the media is now reporting so breathlessly? He says no! Is it possible that he was misquoted purposely by Democrats? Yes! A great set-up? very possible!

  • Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA
    Jan. 12, 2018 8:16 a.m.

    franc - Kirkland, WA
    " @utahabroad ... Norway also has a population of only 5 million so of course they can afford to give free stuff to their citizens."
    Franc, it seems you don't know how this work. People in Norway and other Social Democracies don't get "free stuff". They all pay for them through their taxes as a community. Something like the United Order in which all able members work for the betterment of all in the community.

    The DN reported that: " Love said her office asked White House staff members if the reports were valid, but did not receive a response.

    "At first you think, is it true? What's going on?" she said."

    I would like to ask Ms. Love, where have you been? How is this news to you?

  • mightymite , 00
    Jan. 12, 2018 8:13 a.m.

    Many leaders in our public and private sectors have been forced down for off the cuff comments like this. This guy has some serious character flaws and needs to removed from his post. Shameful.

  • The Real Maverick Spanish Fork, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 8:08 a.m.

    "Last year a Stockholm suburb took in a Syrian polygamist with 3 wives and 16 children. They were required to buy him 3 houses and in essence you have 20 people the local government will be bankrolling for the foreseeable future. The madness has to stop sometime."

    Repubs complain about this yet don't bat an eye when it comes out that GE, a billion dollar company, pays zero in taxes.

    Amazing.

  • milquetoasty Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 8:01 a.m.

    My Italian ancestors came to Utah to mine coal. They weren't doctors, scientists, or statesmen.

    How can anyone who has Irish, Italian, Chinese, Japanese, Haitian, Somalian, Venezuelan, El Salvadorian, etc... ancestry not be horrified by this candid comment by our disrespectful president?

    How many of your ancestors would've been allowed in if someone like Trump was writing the rules when they immigrated? How many of you are the children and grandchildren of non-elite immigrants who scraped everything they had together to make a better life for themselves in a country that called itself a melting pot?

    How many of you disrespect your own ancestry by using the same language that once vilified them to describe modern immigrants?

    I fear that the soul of the United States is broken.

    If the desire to help my brothers and sisters who weren't lucky enough to be born in the country I was makes me a snowflake, then I'll wear that label as a badge of honor. Better to be a "snowflake" than a black hole.

  • top of the world ,
    Jan. 12, 2018 7:49 a.m.

    Guess what. After spending two years in Nepal, living with those wonderful people, I would welcome them into my home, let alone my country. I will make an exception to that...the leaders of at least two of the leading parties in Nepal care nothing for their people, their focus on life being on getting richer off the backs of the poor and increasing their personal power. Those folks I would not even welcome into the movable structure we had to have on the fringe of our property when I was a youngster.

    I hope this story is based upon the fake news that has been prevalent from our not-so wonderful politicians. If true, shame! A sincere apology is in order.

    To Mia Love, someone I would vote for were I still living in Utah, your feelings are shared by my family. Millions and millions of the finest people, those who work the hardest to bring about good ends, guided by the principles surrounding integrity, live in other countries. If they live in nations that are mired in poverty one need look no farther than their leaders to understand why the wealth of nations is hoarded by those in power.

    Mr. President, if what I read is true, a word of advice. Think before you speak.

  • CPA Howard Rancho Santa Margarita, CA
    Jan. 12, 2018 7:44 a.m.

    His language was on the crude side; however, I'd be willing to bet the majority of Congress us language that is worse than what he used. What offended most people was how he referred to these countries.

    I challenge each of those who are offended by the President book there next vacation to one of these countries. If you don't then explain why you don't think Haiti, or El Salvador is a great place to vacation and don't spend all your time in a 5 star resort, vacation among the every day people. Should I expect to see a spike in vacations planned to these countries and the other countries mentioned by the President, NO.

    It's easy to criticize from your comfortable office, house, or apartment, but put your money where you mouth is and book your next vacation to Haiti. Until then reflect on what's the real reason you're criticizing the President is it because of what he said or you'd critics him if he said the sky is blue.

    I'm looking forward to Ms. Loves family vacation pictures to Haiti.

  • swsmartlady Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 12, 2018 7:44 a.m.

    @DN Subscriber
    "Trump could praise ice cream and the Resistance and news media would have a hissy fit over that."

    How is this different than any word, look, piece of clothing, remark, speech, etc that Mr Obama said for 8 years? He was lambasted every inch of both terms

    "We don't need more low skill workers from any country, so start by blocking those with the fewest skills."

    So we're only supposed to now welcome people with particular educational levels and skill into this country? Wow sure am glad this wasn't the thinking when my grandparents immigrated here.
    People can gain skills and get educated

  • kolob1 Sandy, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 7:25 a.m.

    @ "But her parents DID leave Haiti. Why?"

    Ronald Reagan gave them amnesty and Mia Love is against amnesty, student visas and is as big a protectionist as the sopping Republicans in Congress. You can't forget what the real object of most of the Repunblicans serving in Congress, money. Mis Love has wasted more campaign money than all former candidates in Utah put together. Where's the money Mia ?

    BTW, if you get an apology it will be because Obama made him do it.

  • Gretschman Draper, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 7:10 a.m.

    @UtahnAbroad- I agree. Why would people from Norway come here? Their country hasn’t been invaded by the third world illegally..They also get to rely on US for their defense. How nice...like most of Europe.

  • West Jordanians of Utah WEST JORDAN, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 6:54 a.m.

    POTUS used his right of free speech to say his racist comment, and my blood was boiling and was going to throw stones, but I would be a huge hypocrite if I didn’t admit that I said the same things before. So I’m just gonna laugh him off. He’s done some great things in the past year, and then he’s said some pretty dumb things, but I think when he’s completed his time in office, we will all appreciate what he accomplished. He reminds me of that annoying character played by Judd Nelson in the 80’s movie “Breakfast Club.” He annoyingly got under everyone’s skin, but ended up being a likable guy at the end. Hang in there America! If bombs get launched this way, I’m escaping to one of the countries that Trump just swore about.

  • JKR Holladay, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 6:48 a.m.

    Perhaps this will convince Rep. Love that she is playing for the wrong team (R). Going along with Trump policies and voting for them (e.g. the recent tax bill) makes one complicit. His character and privately expressed views should surprise no one.

  • Brent Garner Idaho Falls, ID
    Jan. 12, 2018 6:27 a.m.

    With all due respect to Mia Love for her accomplishments in life, President Trump, though stating it indelicately, is absolutely right about those countries. Haiti, specifically, has been a disaster for centuries. That nation shares the island with the Dominican Republic. The Dominican Republic side of the island has not experienced the same level of destructive history as the Haitian side. Why? Haiti has been, like most of the countries Trump named, run by one despot after the other who had no interest in the people but only in pillaging the country to the benefit of himself and his family/friends. Thus, those countries truly are terrible places. Sadly, far too many who leave there bring with them the same notion of "when is it my turn to pillage/loot?" Merit based immigration yes! Open immigration no!

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    Jan. 12, 2018 6:12 a.m.

    These, of whom he speaks, are children of the same Father in Heaven as President Trump. God is ashamed and so am I. A President of this great country should be required to be above this crass thinking.

  • illuminated Kansas City, MO
    Jan. 12, 2018 6:06 a.m.

    Never apologize for the truth. I love that Trump still speaks it when the rest of our politicians just lie.

    Go Trump! You are a true American hero.

  • Br. Jones East Coast, MD
    Jan. 12, 2018 5:38 a.m.

    Funny thing is, if you research the anti-immigrant messages that were flying around in the time period when Pres. Trump's ancestors immigrated to the US, they were quite explicit in targeting people of Germanic descent as "undesirable." Trump's great-grandfather wasn't a physician, scientist, or banker when he first came to this country: he started as a barber, and later amassed wealth as a businessman in the Pacific Northwest. The same rhetoric we hear today was used to obstruct or even deny immigration to people just like Trump's ancestors. It was wrong then and it's wrong now.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 5:30 a.m.

    What were you thinking, America and Utah, when you elected the coach of the Bad News Bears to the Whitehouse?

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    Jan. 12, 2018 5:23 a.m.

    @ NoNames

    "For far too long, US immigration policy has been an effective open door to much of the 3rd world..."

    I know. Like when all those poor, unskilled Italians and Irish flooded our shores in the 1800's and early 1900's. And now some of their progeny are Trump supporters. What a tribute!

    By the way, this from Republican pollster, Frank Luntz:

    43% of immigrants from "[s___hole]" African countries have a bachelor's degree or higher, compared to 33% of the overall American population. Nigerian-Americans, for instance, have a median household income well above the American average."

    Which group represents a big chunk of Trump supporters? White, uneducated. How are they better than the non-white, uneducated that want to come here? They had the good sense to be born here, that's how!

    It's like Trumpers are saying, "Keep those people like me outta here. They're not good enough!"

  • Cactus Pete Centerville, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 5:10 a.m.

    One of Trump's problems is that he says what he thinks. I like our standard typical politicians who will lie through their teeth and tell you what they think you want to hear.

    Lying is an art form politicians have perfected, and President Trump never claimed to be a politician. He is a businessman.

  • Odin Owns Ye All! Fountain Valley, CA
    Jan. 12, 2018 5:04 a.m.

    I realize that emoting is much easier than thinking, but despite the crude use of an expletive, where is President Trump in error in the actual content of his statement?

    If you know anything at all about Haiti and other such countries, you know that they are, indeed, dirty, primitive, dangerous places. Many of them (such as Mexico) have abundant natural resources, and should be thriving and wealthy. What is preventing that? The people, of course. There are many wonderful people in every country, but third-world countries are third-world countries because of the cultures that have developed there. It is neither elitist nor racist to look at reality and call it what it is. The reality is that there are good cultures and bad cultures. It is also neither elitist nor racist to want to prevent the devastating influence of bad cultures from contaminating your own. If I wanted to live in a third-world country, I would move to one, or maybe Detroit.

    I don't, however. Nor do I want a third-world country to move here.

    Note: I'm not a "Trump supporter" by any means, and I'm not a Republican, so don't waste my time with brainless throw-away remarks about Trump fans and Republicans.

  • Norske Puma Norway, 00
    Jan. 12, 2018 4:54 a.m.

    In answer to UtahnAbroad's comments. I've been living in Norway for 22 years and while the health care system is very good for normal things, if you get seriously ill you can wait along time before getting treatment. University is not free although student loans are interest free. Most Norwegians are very interested in the USA and don't consider her as "stone age"

    Concerning Donald Trump's comments and Mia Love's reply I agree with her. Having said that the fact remains that in many western European countries (Germany, Sweden, Norway, Holland etc) they are struggling with the large numbers of "refugees" from Africa and the Middle East that have come/are coming in recent years. Unlike immigrants that have largely come to the USA over the last couple of centuries, most refugees/migrants are a significant burden on society both financially and culturally. Case in point: Last year a Stockholm suburb took in a Syrian polygamist with 3 wives and 16 children. They were required to buy him 3 houses and in essence you have 20 people the local government will be bankrolling for the foreseeable future. The madness has to stop sometime.

  • emb Pleasant Grove, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 4:54 a.m.

    Sorry to say there is way too much gutter language used by far too many people. emb

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    Jan. 12, 2018 4:43 a.m.

    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all white men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, and that non-whites that live in s___holes aren't welcome in our country club."

    The Deplorables’ Declaration of Independence.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 4:42 a.m.

    Orrin Hatch: “I look forward to getting a more detailed explanation regarding the president’s comments.”

    I'm sure once the explanation is provided, Hatch will be fully satisfied. Trump divides people, it makes his base happy. But the damage Trump causes to the world's perception of the USA is something I'd like to hear Hatch address with full candor.

    Mia Love's outrage is understandable; however, she needs to do some soul-searching about the party she enthusiastically represents.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 3:48 a.m.

    Wasn't it Mia Love that was complaining just a few weeks ago about the protected status of Haitians ending, because of the horribile conditions there?

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Jan. 12, 2018 3:36 a.m.

    Loose lips, sink ships. He's sinking his positions with his loose lips.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 3:25 a.m.

    Trump seems like a throw back to the 1800's. In spite of his shortcomings, he is the president the United States needs at this time.

    He has decimated ISIS. He turned the mighty US military loose. No half measures in this war.

    He had lead the lowering of US corporate income tax. The highest in the world. This excessive tax was emptying the United States of it's companies.

    He is quietly and methodically getting rid of excecessive burdensome regulations on companies. This and the tax cut is and will continue to strengthen the US economy and justifies the metoric rise of the stock market.

    He got us out of the defacto climate change treaty which would have cost us trillions of dollars.

    Trump is bitter medicine that came to us at the right time.

  • Sion Knoxville, TN
    Jan. 12, 2018 3:19 a.m.

    This is all so funny, how everyone is so surprised at the comments and behaviors of ALL politicians. They are all scrambling to be the most sanctimonious. Next movement will be the #MeTooMyPolitian(fill in the blank) is racist/profane/unethical/criminal. Time to drain the swamp. Term limits for all. Make America Great Again.

  • london_josh lincoln, CA
    Jan. 12, 2018 1:26 a.m.

    Stupid comment for sure - however a valid point is being lost in it.

    People should come because they can contribute - not because they can be supported and sadly that's the problem right now, the party that wants open borders is the party of "we'll take care of you".

    Trump made a really dumb comment - since we're investigating Russia and the elections a full year later I suppose this will be spoken about for the next 7 years.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Jan. 12, 2018 1:11 a.m.

    "Although he was speaking of the countries, not individuals, the question remains, why would it benefit the U.S. to have their citizens come here?"

    "Trump is a crass, vulgar boor. But he isn't wrong. If every nation in the world were a basketball team, the United States has the first two dozen draft picks every year."

    These two comments fully don't represent the reality of our nation's history. When the Irish, Polish, Italians, Jews, Chinese all showed up on our shores, these were not the best, the brightest, the most qualified we could find.

    We accepted the Chinese because we needed a railroad built... not because we thought they would add to our society. When the Jews arrived fleeing Europe, they were not welcomed by the majority. The Irish, Pols and Italians were not received with open arms during each of their respective immigration waves. Most if not all were coming here for opportunity they were not able to achieve in their home lands. They were not the monied, the well educated.

    The Italians that largely mined the areas around Helper..... they weren't there because they were the best of the best that Italy could offer. They were not the "all-stars".

  • Truth2017 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 12:56 a.m.

    Mia was wrong to demand an apology. President Trump values loyalty and likely in Trumps eyes she is disloyal. Thus, any influence she had is diminished.

    About the Presidents comments,
    if Haiti is such a lovely place, why would anyone ever leave? The truth is a lot of America’s immigrants and refugees come from bad or undesirable places. Try living in those places as a native. You may agree with Trump.

    The media comes up with its daily outrage, often when President Trumps speaks truth in a non pc way. He made his remarks when the congressional plan wanted to give or preserve diversity visas from less than desirable places. Why? Its not in Americas interest to import unskilled uneducated and poor people. There have been terror attacks from diversity lottery visas winners. Trump wishing to end the diversity lottery is a good thing, no matter the language he used.

    So why the outrage for telling the truth? Its politics.

    The dems want greater immigration and chain migration from non whites to increase their election hopes. More than 80 percent of minorities voted for Clinton. The dems seem to prefer identity politics to smart policy that benefits Americans.

  • TMR Los Angeles, CA
    Jan. 12, 2018 12:49 a.m.

    @DN Subscriber:

    I have worked in NYC and have many friends from the city and they don’t talk like Donald Trump.

    Furthermore, keeping low-skilled workers out of the US, as you suggest, is singularly elitist. My grandparents would not have been able to immigrate if that were the standard. You are suggesting an America very different than what our founding fathers envisioned.

  • the last to fall Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 12:30 a.m.

    @utahute69
    Unless you're an American Indian your forefathers arrived in this land as immigrants. If you search back in your family tree you might find ancestor who arrived as uneducated farmers, tradesman or even refugees from hostilities in their home countries. Whatever the circumstance, they came here because they sought a better life for their posterity. Since their arrival some them may have contributed something meaningful to this country. Perhaps they arrived at the port of New York in the late 1800s, where Lady Liberty greeted them with these words:

    Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
    With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
    Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
    A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
    Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
    Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
    Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
    The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
    "Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
    With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

  • the last to fall Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 12:25 a.m.

    Mia Love, thank you for having the guts to take a position on this. Haven't seen/heard anything from Utah's congressional delegation. Their silence is noticeable.

  • iceman96 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 12:19 a.m.

    Next time the media tries to justify refugee status, or temporary protected status, Republicans need to dig out these articles.

    It seems the countries are not that bad.

  • EmmanuelGoldstein1984 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 12:09 a.m.

    Funny, Trump has been saying these sorts of despicable things for the past two years, yet until now I don't remember Love ever uttering one word of reproach. Why was she so silent all this time??

  • itswhatithink West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 11, 2018 11:38 p.m.

    Ms. Love
    Why did your parents leave their native country if it was such a great place. Many of the citizens of Haiti are trying to get refuge. Why?

    Though the words used were offensive, was their any truth. I do not stand behind the man in office, but even if we don't appreciate his verbaige, he has the same right to give voice as you.

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    Jan. 11, 2018 11:22 p.m.

    Rep. Love - I am sorry you and your family have been insulted by the sitting POTUS, and you are right to demand and expect an apology.

    That said, where have you been for the past 2+ years?

    Trump was the Republican nominee. He cleared the GOP primary by making disparaging statements about a range of racial and ethnic groups. Republican rank-and-file cheered such conduct as a righteous stand against "political correctness". Before then, Trump spent several years actively working to delegitimize America's first African-America POTUS.

    Tip-toeing around who and what Trump by describing his comments as merely "vulgar" or "divisive" or "unkind" guarantees he will say much worse things the next time.

    Trump -should- apologize, but no one expects he will.

    And why would he?

    Trump faced no downside consequences for the same sort of remarks during the GOP primary and the general election. On the contrary, Republicans only rewarded him. Trump won the White House, and the GOP-controlled Congress have spent the past year fawning over him and proclaiming him the greatest POTUS ever (see, e.g. Sen. Hatch).

    So, what will you do if Trump does not apologize?

    Let me guess...nothing?

  • mightymite , 00
    Jan. 11, 2018 11:21 p.m.

    Trump got his tax deal through. Do you think he really cares about what anybody thinks at this point? What did you you all think you were getting when you voted for him?

  • franc Kirkland, WA
    Jan. 11, 2018 11:15 p.m.

    @utahabroad ... Norway also has a population of only 5 million so of course they can afford to give free stuff to their citizens.

  • TAS Tehachapi, CA
    Jan. 11, 2018 11:13 p.m.

    Didn't anyone teach Trump good manners? He says the first thing that comes to his mind without considering the consequences of his remarks. Whatever the President says or does becomes the next major news story. He is demeaning the office he holds, and lowering the status of our country. I am disgusted with most of the Republicans, who merely look the other way. It's time for a major house cleaning in Congress.

  • franc Kirkland, WA
    Jan. 11, 2018 11:13 p.m.

    But her parents DID leave Haiti. Why?

  • SuzViews Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 11, 2018 10:53 p.m.

    Thank you for the strength of your convictions and for articulating them so well! I hope you’ll have a seat at the table and represent not only your district but people like us with immigrant parents who have made America great! 🌻

  • utahute69 Laguna Niguel, CA
    Jan. 11, 2018 10:16 p.m.

    There was a time, when the United States allowed immigration based on merit. Thus, your education, profession, expertise and other factors you brought to the US was a significant qualifier for entering this country. Today, we only hear about immigrants being nothing more than people looking for a better quality of life. If we allowed everyone looking for a better quality of life and add those qualifying as refugees, our population would exceed that of most any other nation in the world. When will our politicians consider the cost of allowing those to enter the US without speaking English, without and education or the ability to survive in this country without material social welfare support? Those same politicians are the complaining about the lack of adequate public schools, medical services, social welfare programs, childcare services, prisons and the list goes on. Trump was wrong, but his point should not be ignored. Our immigration program should be designed so the US becomes a stronger nation. Buying votes through dependency does not make the US a greater nation and diversity has not proven to be socially or economically beneficial.

  • Maudine SLC, UT
    Jan. 11, 2018 10:10 p.m.

    Poor Mia! She’s had to quietly sit by and support Trump while he’s disparaged Hispanics, Blacks, Native Americans, women, and so many others - but now that he has attacked her background she can finally speak out, call his behavior to task, and demand an apology.

    It’s so nice to see her standing on principle. I hope she has the opportunity to actually act on her outrage before Trump’s despicable behavior gets swept under the rug again.

  • RJohnson Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 11, 2018 9:58 p.m.

    @UtahBlueDevil

    "Is this something he thinks his base will applaud?"

    Yes, and they are.

  • military mom Herriman, UT
    Jan. 11, 2018 9:42 p.m.

    If GOP lawmakers, including the Utah delegation (minus Mia Love of course), fail to condemn Trump's outrageous, racist remarks, their silence will indicate their agreement with his abhorrent views. His comments are indefensible, ignorant, embarrassing, and utterly repulsive. Any statement he may offer acknowledging the MLK holiday will be hollow and meaningless. My hope would be that Congress passes a bipartisan bill assuring a path to citizenship for Dreamers and then overrides a probable Trump veto, emphasizing that in America, one is not "judged by the color of his skin, but by the content of his character."

  • The Real Maverick Spanish Fork, UT
    Jan. 11, 2018 9:16 p.m.

    Tired of winning yet repubs???

    This outta do your party wonders when it comes to the midterms!

  • INTELLECTUAL Salt Lake, UT
    Jan. 11, 2018 9:05 p.m.

    @ one old man

    Good comment. Agree 100%.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 11, 2018 8:52 p.m.

    Trump could praise ice cream and the Resistance and news media would have a hissy fit over that.

    Trump's language is often crude rude and disgusting. It's sort of a "New York thing" that people from more genteel areas find terribly offensive. Rightly so.

    However, if Trump had said that these nations are the pinnacle of civilization, with great education systems, excellent work habits and low crime rates he would have been telling huge lies.

    Although he was speaking of the countries, not individuals, the question remains, why would it benefit the U.S. to have their citizens come here? Certainly the immigrants would benefit greatly, and they can be fine individuals and raise great families, as proven by Mia Love and her family.

    Anyone who considers the countries he described as some sort of paradise is welcome to move there, but the brutal reality is that their conditions are truly deplorable. And, many of the problems are the result of choices the residents have made- much like conditions in many of our large urban areas.

    We don't need more low skill workers from any country, so start by blocking those with the fewest skills.

  • DarrylS Furlong, PA
    Jan. 11, 2018 8:48 p.m.

    Calling out Trump when he crosses a line is not the same thing as declaring loyalty to Hillary Clinton. Republicans of good conscience should join with Mia Love in calling for an apology from the president.

  • DarthMaul Vernal, UT
    Jan. 11, 2018 8:44 p.m.

    The POTUS's impulsiveness for direct bluntness will be with him forever and I don't think we can change that ever. It would be wonderful to see him say sorry every once in a while but I don't see it happening soon.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Jan. 11, 2018 8:39 p.m.

    Trump is a crass, vulgar boor.

    But he isn't wrong. If every nation in the world were a basketball team, the United States has the first two dozen draft picks every year. And there is an upper limit to how many immigrants we can take in any year.

    It is well and proper to dedicate some portion of immigrant spots to refugees and others in need. We are a charitable nation.

    But our immigration policy should also be of benefit to our own citizens. We should reserve many of our immigration spots for those who will help America (and perhaps the world) by moving here. Scientists, engineers, doctors, inventors, and entrepreneurs--especially those who speak English--should not be excluded.

    For far too long, US immigration policy has been an effective open door to much of the 3rd world with horrible delays, costs, and hassle for those from English speaking, well developed nations.

    Mia Love and her parents are quite exceptional. But in choosing America over Haiti, her parents spoke volumes about the relative quality of the two nations. Trump's comments are offensive. But to one extent or another, every immigrant expresses a similar sentiment as he votes with his feet.

  • Frank K Phoenix, AZ
    Jan. 11, 2018 8:22 p.m.

    I would like to hear from all those evangelical leaders and honest republicans their take on this insult from the part of Donald Trump. I've heard from Orrin Hatch that he wants a "detailed explanation" of the comment. Is he saying he doesn't understand what the words mean? Funny how he's giving Trump a pass on this again.

  • The Meliorist Grande Cache, 00
    Jan. 11, 2018 8:20 p.m.

    Just, wow.

    Mia Love, like all true conservatives, is standing up against racism and those who embrace it. How will Utahns react?

    Hindsight. 2020.

    Or will it be 2018?

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Jan. 11, 2018 8:13 p.m.

    @one old man
    They would actually have disagree with him first. The sad reality is they quietly nod along.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Jan. 11, 2018 8:03 p.m.

    It simply stupefies me that so many still look past his character. You have to wonder what he was thinking. Is this something he thinks his base will applaud? Does he really hold the poor in that much disdain. Or is it because they aren't blond and blue eyed? Who knows. Has he not learned that anything he says, can and will be picked up? This just feeds into the narrative he claims is not true.... but he continues with these kids of comments.

    That said, It just makes me sad this is the best of the best of the Republican party. I get why the candidate I supported (John Kasich) didn't do well - his campaign was poorly organized. And he didn't offer any real change. But really... this is just an embarrassment.

  • stevo123 Driggs, ID
    Jan. 11, 2018 8:02 p.m.

    Senator Hatch has weighed in, where are the rest of our Reps?

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Jan. 11, 2018 7:01 p.m.

    WHEN will our Congressional representatives ALL find the courage it takes to stand up to the disgusting garbage flowing from the White House?

    Congratulations to Mia for her comments today, but they are still far too little far too late.

  • Reality-Check Guy Orem, UT
    Jan. 11, 2018 7:00 p.m.

    Mia Love: “The president’s comments are unkind, divisive, elitist, and fly in the face of our nation’s values. This behavior is unacceptable from the leader of our nation.” Orrin Hatch: “I look forward to getting a more detailed explanation regarding the president’s comments.”
    There is a big difference here between Mia Love and Orrin Hatch. It is so embarrassing that so many voters and politicians from our state still support this president.

  • JBs Logan, UT
    Jan. 11, 2018 6:33 p.m.

    Good for Mia! I've visited some of these countries and they don't deserve that description, nor do their people. It beggars the imagination that Trump can't put himself in the place of people who want a better life for their families. To use his oft-used word...sad.

  • AlanSutton Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 11, 2018 6:24 p.m.

    I admire Mia for standing up and speaking her mind, something she seems to do on a regular basis. She is a representative who all Utahns can be proud of.

  • UtahnAbroad Sandy, UT
    Jan. 11, 2018 6:14 p.m.

    Why would someone from Norway come here?

    They have excellent state run medical care, free university and is one of the richest nations in the world. They look at us like we are in the stone age.

  • Noodlekaboodle Poplar Grove, UT
    Jan. 11, 2018 5:54 p.m.

    Talk is cheap. Mrs. Love supports Donald Trumps policies, if she really feels he's so out of line, why does she vote lock step with his priorities?

  • Dragline Orem, UT
    Jan. 11, 2018 5:52 p.m.

    What a lovely president we voted for here in Utah. Stand Proud Utah.